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		<title>By: Dawna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry&#039;s sales people I have experienced in Ottawa, are self-serving, rumour mongers. Their favorite target is Galaxy Camera in Ottawa. Since April they have had a campaign of telling customers that;

&quot;Galaxy is bankrupt..&quot;
&quot;Galaxy is closed ...&quot;
&quot;Galaxy sells grey market&quot;
&quot;Henry&#039;s has bought Galaxy&quot;

This has even extended to an e-mail (not from Henry&#039;s directly) sent to members of the RA Photo Club&quot; echoing that same line.

Henry&#039;s Bank Steet, is pretty much a Nikon shop, staffed with arrogant sales people like PW, who if you aren&#039;t going to buy $10K plus of Nikon gear will walk away from you. In fact I quit buying at Henry&#039;s Ottawa because I despise being talked down to (again PW) My favourite crack of his was reference that he was a pro,stating his words; &quot;I am a professional photographer!&quot; well.. actually he is a middle-aged man working in a camera store!

I doubt any of the sales floor level Henry&#039;s staff are privy to any actual Canon allocation plans, as they are not involved in purchasing.

Sounds like they are trying to keep people out of the local shops.

&quot;1) The 5D2 can only be sold by pro dealers. Henrys, Aden, Vistek, Downtown CameraÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ etc etc. This would eliminate selling in mom &amp; pop stores as well as Best Buy &amp; Future Shop.&quot;

FutureShop IMHO never sold pro-level cameras, they would always go popular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry&#8217;s sales people I have experienced in Ottawa, are self-serving, rumour mongers. Their favorite target is Galaxy Camera in Ottawa. Since April they have had a campaign of telling customers that;</p>
<p>&#8220;Galaxy is bankrupt..&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Galaxy is closed &#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Galaxy sells grey market&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Henry&#8217;s has bought Galaxy&#8221;</p>
<p>This has even extended to an e-mail (not from Henry&#8217;s directly) sent to members of the RA Photo Club&#8221; echoing that same line.</p>
<p>Henry&#8217;s Bank Steet, is pretty much a Nikon shop, staffed with arrogant sales people like PW, who if you aren&#8217;t going to buy $10K plus of Nikon gear will walk away from you. In fact I quit buying at Henry&#8217;s Ottawa because I despise being talked down to (again PW) My favourite crack of his was reference that he was a pro,stating his words; &#8220;I am a professional photographer!&#8221; well.. actually he is a middle-aged man working in a camera store!</p>
<p>I doubt any of the sales floor level Henry&#8217;s staff are privy to any actual Canon allocation plans, as they are not involved in purchasing.</p>
<p>Sounds like they are trying to keep people out of the local shops.</p>
<p>&#8220;1) The 5D2 can only be sold by pro dealers. Henrys, Aden, Vistek, Downtown CameraÃ¢â‚¬Â¦ etc etc. This would eliminate selling in mom &amp; pop stores as well as Best Buy &amp; Future Shop.&#8221;</p>
<p>FutureShop IMHO never sold pro-level cameras, they would always go popular.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got a called from Michael&#039;s in Melbourne, Australia
They confirmed the price with Canon Australia:
5D2 body = $3999 inc. GST
5D2 + 24-105L kit = $5399 inc. GST

They got 3 shipments, apparently 10 each
one is for End of Nov delivery, then End of Dec, then January 2009

&amp; they claimed that &quot;most&quot; of the 5D2 shipment to Australia, is coming to Michael&#039;s Melbourne (i find it hard to believe though)

so yey .. i am getting my 5D + kit end of november/early december

PS: A$3999 is pretty cheap considering our falling AUD vs USD (they are selling USD2699 @ B&amp;H = AUD4050 + gst  + duty if u buy it direct)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got a called from Michael&#8217;s in Melbourne, Australia<br />
They confirmed the price with Canon Australia:<br />
5D2 body = $3999 inc. GST<br />
5D2 + 24-105L kit = $5399 inc. GST</p>
<p>They got 3 shipments, apparently 10 each<br />
one is for End of Nov delivery, then End of Dec, then January 2009</p>
<p>&amp; they claimed that &#8220;most&#8221; of the 5D2 shipment to Australia, is coming to Michael&#8217;s Melbourne (i find it hard to believe though)</p>
<p>so yey .. i am getting my 5D + kit end of november/early december</p>
<p>PS: A$3999 is pretty cheap considering our falling AUD vs USD (they are selling USD2699 @ B&amp;H = AUD4050 + gst  + duty if u buy it direct)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the time it&#039;s available, there may be a lot of people looking at the US economic down turn and re-evaluating buying a camera that costs almost $3K.  There may be a lot of people backing out of buying it.  I&#039;m really on the fence at this point.  The original 5D is starting to sound like an option... especially if I have to wait 6 months.  I already sold my backup camera in anticipation.  I can&#039;t keep showing up to paid gigs with just one camera...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time it&#8217;s available, there may be a lot of people looking at the US economic down turn and re-evaluating buying a camera that costs almost $3K.  There may be a lot of people backing out of buying it.  I&#8217;m really on the fence at this point.  The original 5D is starting to sound like an option&#8230; especially if I have to wait 6 months.  I already sold my backup camera in anticipation.  I can&#8217;t keep showing up to paid gigs with just one camera&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just went to a political gathering today (we&#039;re back in election in Quebec). There was 5 pros taking pictures... 4 had Nikon and 1 had Canon. The funniest part though, all 4 Nikon guys had two bodies around their neck and the Canon guy had only one... Just found that interesting that in my 3 unofficial survey (and non-scientific) Nikon won the game number. It&#039;s good for us Canon folks, because there is real competition, but it&#039;s a bit sad to see such a leader being reach that easily (ok, Nikon worked hard, but they are really close). Hopefully, we will all get our new 5D in a timely manner and we will be able to laugh at Nikon folks by Christmas... I&#039;m tired of seeing friends with their new Nikon bodies... I want mine to. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just went to a political gathering today (we&#8217;re back in election in Quebec). There was 5 pros taking pictures&#8230; 4 had Nikon and 1 had Canon. The funniest part though, all 4 Nikon guys had two bodies around their neck and the Canon guy had only one&#8230; Just found that interesting that in my 3 unofficial survey (and non-scientific) Nikon won the game number. It&#8217;s good for us Canon folks, because there is real competition, but it&#8217;s a bit sad to see such a leader being reach that easily (ok, Nikon worked hard, but they are really close). Hopefully, we will all get our new 5D in a timely manner and we will be able to laugh at Nikon folks by Christmas&#8230; I&#8217;m tired of seeing friends with their new Nikon bodies&#8230; I want mine to. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: sfwrtr</title>
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		<dc:creator>sfwrtr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canon, as is usual, is approaching selling the 5DMk2 very conservatively.  Without a doubt, their factory is running at full capacity.  There is no micro-management or trying to limit supply.  Because of consumer response, they have a guaranteed high-profit stream of income that they can bank on (and factor against if necessary) well into 2009.  They&#039;ve spent their R&amp;D money and can count on their return.

To build new factories, to have built up extra inventory, etc., would have cost money that in this economic environment they can ill afford.  No reason to think any of that would pass through their corporate mind.

So, all Canon is doing is trying to be as fair (in their eyes) as they can to the pros who will buy their next pro camera.  Canon apparently thinks, &quot;Why not get this pro camera into pro hands first?&quot;  They are the bread a butter of this niche market; they buy the lens; they buy second bodies; they buy all the accessories.

Okay, not my idea of fair, but ce la vie!  If I have the annoying bad luck of getting my 5DMk2 in March instead of November, they will just have to wait until then before I buy my 16-35mm zoom, too.  I&#039;m not switching to Nikon this late in the game with all the glass I own... and, well, Canon knows that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canon, as is usual, is approaching selling the 5DMk2 very conservatively.  Without a doubt, their factory is running at full capacity.  There is no micro-management or trying to limit supply.  Because of consumer response, they have a guaranteed high-profit stream of income that they can bank on (and factor against if necessary) well into 2009.  They&#8217;ve spent their R&amp;D money and can count on their return.</p>
<p>To build new factories, to have built up extra inventory, etc., would have cost money that in this economic environment they can ill afford.  No reason to think any of that would pass through their corporate mind.</p>
<p>So, all Canon is doing is trying to be as fair (in their eyes) as they can to the pros who will buy their next pro camera.  Canon apparently thinks, &#8220;Why not get this pro camera into pro hands first?&#8221;  They are the bread a butter of this niche market; they buy the lens; they buy second bodies; they buy all the accessories.</p>
<p>Okay, not my idea of fair, but ce la vie!  If I have the annoying bad luck of getting my 5DMk2 in March instead of November, they will just have to wait until then before I buy my 16-35mm zoom, too.  I&#8217;m not switching to Nikon this late in the game with all the glass I own&#8230; and, well, Canon knows that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prices are going down on slow sellers.

http://www.usa.canon.com/app/emails/eosnov08/?WT.mc_id=EM0811EO01002</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prices are going down on slow sellers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usa.canon.com/app/emails/eosnov08/?WT.mc_id=EM0811EO01002" rel="nofollow">http://www.usa.canon.com/app/emails/eosnov08/?WT.mc_id=EM0811EO01002</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, well done on the reply. great read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, well done on the reply. great read.</p>
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		<title>By: Rox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing, when Canon announced their new 5D on Sept 17th, I guess the prototype was ready for prod, right ? Or maybe not ? If so, that give them more than 2 months to build up some inventory. They might have serious production issue if with 2 month they can&#039;t stock enough to meet pre-orders. These are not Wii at $250, but $3000 camera that require $1000 lenses on it... this is not the &quot;gaming&quot; challenge. Something is wrong here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing, when Canon announced their new 5D on Sept 17th, I guess the prototype was ready for prod, right ? Or maybe not ? If so, that give them more than 2 months to build up some inventory. They might have serious production issue if with 2 month they can&#8217;t stock enough to meet pre-orders. These are not Wii at $250, but $3000 camera that require $1000 lenses on it&#8230; this is not the &#8220;gaming&#8221; challenge. Something is wrong here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bebopcola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bebopcola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed&#039;s theory sounds spot on to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8217;s theory sounds spot on to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Wim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not wish to elaborate too much on micro-economic theory, since we only see the end result here. I will say this, though. It is too easy to mistake creating value (by under-promising and over-delivering) for capturing that value. Canon just makes sure the value they created will end up in their company and the pockets of its shareholders instead of in the pockets of retailers. That being said, it is true that Canon needs to balance these advantages against the possible losses in sales and brand name.

I also appreciate the fact that production is flexible only to a certain point and that predicting demand is difficult at best. 100% service levels are infinitely expensive.

These points help me see that waiting customers are inherent to the process of bringing out a popular new product. I do not like it, but I just have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not wish to elaborate too much on micro-economic theory, since we only see the end result here. I will say this, though. It is too easy to mistake creating value (by under-promising and over-delivering) for capturing that value. Canon just makes sure the value they created will end up in their company and the pockets of its shareholders instead of in the pockets of retailers. That being said, it is true that Canon needs to balance these advantages against the possible losses in sales and brand name.</p>
<p>I also appreciate the fact that production is flexible only to a certain point and that predicting demand is difficult at best. 100% service levels are infinitely expensive.</p>
<p>These points help me see that waiting customers are inherent to the process of bringing out a popular new product. I do not like it, but I just have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 21:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Canon had a design for the 5D MK II a year ago, probably a 15mp, and only after Nikon suprised them with their excellent $3,000 FF, and Sony announced a 24 MP FF was in the works did they start looking at what they could do to best the competition and do it in a short time frame. It must have been a real panic to upgrade the camera deign and to ramp up production of the 21MP sensors and other new parts.  I&#039;m sure this is why the long delay after the announcement, the camera wasn&#039;t in production yet, just a few handmade prototypes off a prototype assemply line.

I agree that they grossly under estimated the demand for the 5D MK II, but I can&#039;t find fault with that, after all, they now have 2 competitors so any new product would have to share sales, and they were likely very concerned about Sony being a sleeping giant and waking up to sell a huge number of FF cameras at a low price point.

It turns out that in spite of the complainers about auto focus and unwanted features like video and too many pixels, a huge nomber of people put down their hard earned money for a camera that doesn&#039;t have a final production version out.

The huge Canon pre-sales is certainly not lost on Nikon or Sony, and we can expect a Nikon competitor soon, and hopefully, Sony will see that there is a large market out there, and come up with a low cost FF next year.  I believe they could do it if they wanted.

I also agree that raising prices on pre-order cameras is bad.  I had a 50D with 18-200mm lens pre-ordered from Amazon.com from almost day one.  After two weeks, they raised the price by $400 and cancelled my order.  I have since avoided doing business with them, they have lost several thousand in sales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Canon had a design for the 5D MK II a year ago, probably a 15mp, and only after Nikon suprised them with their excellent $3,000 FF, and Sony announced a 24 MP FF was in the works did they start looking at what they could do to best the competition and do it in a short time frame. It must have been a real panic to upgrade the camera deign and to ramp up production of the 21MP sensors and other new parts.  I&#8217;m sure this is why the long delay after the announcement, the camera wasn&#8217;t in production yet, just a few handmade prototypes off a prototype assemply line.</p>
<p>I agree that they grossly under estimated the demand for the 5D MK II, but I can&#8217;t find fault with that, after all, they now have 2 competitors so any new product would have to share sales, and they were likely very concerned about Sony being a sleeping giant and waking up to sell a huge number of FF cameras at a low price point.</p>
<p>It turns out that in spite of the complainers about auto focus and unwanted features like video and too many pixels, a huge nomber of people put down their hard earned money for a camera that doesn&#8217;t have a final production version out.</p>
<p>The huge Canon pre-sales is certainly not lost on Nikon or Sony, and we can expect a Nikon competitor soon, and hopefully, Sony will see that there is a large market out there, and come up with a low cost FF next year.  I believe they could do it if they wanted.</p>
<p>I also agree that raising prices on pre-order cameras is bad.  I had a 50D with 18-200mm lens pre-ordered from Amazon.com from almost day one.  After two weeks, they raised the price by $400 and cancelled my order.  I have since avoided doing business with them, they have lost several thousand in sales.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rox. It&#039;s ridiculous that Canon didn&#039;t expect this kind of demand given it&#039;s been over three years since their last affordable full frame dSLR. I can understand why they can&#039;t ramp up production and just build a new 5D2 factory on the fly, but if they had planned this better they wouldn&#039;t have had to worry about not meeting initial demand.

One of the most basic (or at least smartest) rules of doing business is to under promise and over-deliver. Canon is doing just the opposite with price increases, suspected delayed release dates and from what it sounds like there&#039;s going to be a massive shortage of stock. I don&#039;t mind waiting a week or two if it&#039;s late but months?

What I&#039;m most frustrated about is the price raise on pre-order cameras. I can understand price increases due to exchange rate but for Canon and their distributors not to honor the pre-ordered prices seems ridiculous. I feel like Canon thinks demand for this Camera is so high they can do whatever they want. It&#039;s sad but I know I&#039;m still going to do whatever I can to get my hands on one as soon as possible but I&#039;ve definitely lost a lot of respect for Canon and I&#039;ll definitely be weighing my options in the future for when Nikon releases a high megapixel, full frame, dSLR + video. Better yet whose excited for the &quot;game changing&quot; RED announcement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rox. It&#8217;s ridiculous that Canon didn&#8217;t expect this kind of demand given it&#8217;s been over three years since their last affordable full frame dSLR. I can understand why they can&#8217;t ramp up production and just build a new 5D2 factory on the fly, but if they had planned this better they wouldn&#8217;t have had to worry about not meeting initial demand.</p>
<p>One of the most basic (or at least smartest) rules of doing business is to under promise and over-deliver. Canon is doing just the opposite with price increases, suspected delayed release dates and from what it sounds like there&#8217;s going to be a massive shortage of stock. I don&#8217;t mind waiting a week or two if it&#8217;s late but months?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m most frustrated about is the price raise on pre-order cameras. I can understand price increases due to exchange rate but for Canon and their distributors not to honor the pre-ordered prices seems ridiculous. I feel like Canon thinks demand for this Camera is so high they can do whatever they want. It&#8217;s sad but I know I&#8217;m still going to do whatever I can to get my hands on one as soon as possible but I&#8217;ve definitely lost a lot of respect for Canon and I&#8217;ll definitely be weighing my options in the future for when Nikon releases a high megapixel, full frame, dSLR + video. Better yet whose excited for the &#8220;game changing&#8221; RED announcement?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shih &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DSLR dilemma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Shih &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DSLR dilemma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this is now. The 5DII is now scheduled to begin shipping to buyers at the end of the month, but in extremely limited supplies. I had originally made a pre-order with Calumet Photography, a store here in the States, but ended [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this is now. The 5DII is now scheduled to begin shipping to buyers at the end of the month, but in extremely limited supplies. I had originally made a pre-order with Calumet Photography, a store here in the States, but ended [...]</p>
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