Comments on: 5D Mark II’s – Calumet UK http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/ You gotta know Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:42:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2346 Hugh Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:11:55 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2346 I got a phone call this afternoon telling me that it was already ready to be picked up... Was just a shame I was on a train to Yorkshire at the time! I got a phone call this afternoon telling me that it was already ready to be picked up… Was just a shame I was on a train to Yorkshire at the time!

]]> By: photoshooter http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2345 photoshooter Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:22:09 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2345 I totally agree with the comments that DPP handles Raw files better than ACR. I'd already noticed that with early versions of both.having said that I really like the interface of ACR but now I try to avoid using it. I totally agree with the comments that DPP handles Raw files better than ACR. I’d already noticed that with early versions of both.having said that I really like the interface of ACR but now I try to avoid using it.

]]> By: anonsk http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2363 anonsk Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:47:13 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2363 just got the 'ol "Your comment is awaiting moderation", so you'll need to wait to read my comment ;-) just got the ‘ol “Your comment is awaiting moderation”, so you’ll need to wait to read my comment ;-)

]]> By: anonsk http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2362 anonsk Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:45:02 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2362 I'm hoping to hear from my store today about whether I might get it this week, or if I'll need to wait till next week. As far as conversions go, here are two examples at 6400 ISO (a little more realistic shooting speed). The results aren't so stark, but the difference is still there. Do you think its enough to warrent interupting my workflow for that extra quality? I guess for an 8x10 print, no. But for a 24x36, it may just be worth it. What do you think? DPP: freeimagehosting.net/uploads/31394d40bd.jpg ACR: freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6c2d7ad3dd.jpg I couldn't find my examples of my DXO conversions (I printed them, so I might consider scanning a close up detail to post), and my trial has run out, so I guess you'll just have to try it yourself. This whole raw conversion stuff is a little frustrating, hey? ACR is beautifully integrated into my workflow, but the difference is quite stark in my opinion (but the prints will be the real tellers). I think I'm done searching for raw converters - ACR for small stuff, DPP for real important stuff and thats that. Can't wait for this camera though! I would have to say that the noise is worse at 25,600 ISO than the D700, but its twice the megapixels, so its a trade off. And at 6400 I'd say they are tied! Wow! I’m hoping to hear from my store today about whether I might get it this week, or if I’ll need to wait till next week.

As far as conversions go, here are two examples at 6400 ISO (a little more realistic shooting speed). The results aren’t so stark, but the difference is still there. Do you think its enough to warrent interupting my workflow for that extra quality? I guess for an 8×10 print, no. But for a 24×36, it may just be worth it. What do you think?

DPP: freeimagehosting.net/uploads/31394d40bd.jpg
ACR: freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6c2d7ad3dd.jpg

I couldn’t find my examples of my DXO conversions (I printed them, so I might consider scanning a close up detail to post), and my trial has run out, so I guess you’ll just have to try it yourself.

This whole raw conversion stuff is a little frustrating, hey? ACR is beautifully integrated into my workflow, but the difference is quite stark in my opinion (but the prints will be the real tellers). I think I’m done searching for raw converters – ACR for small stuff, DPP for real important stuff and thats that.

Can’t wait for this camera though! I would have to say that the noise is worse at 25,600 ISO than the D700, but its twice the megapixels, so its a trade off. And at 6400 I’d say they are tied! Wow!

]]> By: Matt http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2361 Matt Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:33:03 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2361 I got the call about my preorder yesterday. I got the kit. It's in the mail now. I got the call about my preorder yesterday. I got the kit. It’s in the mail now.

]]> By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2360 Hugh Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:09:46 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2360 Just saw your comment about DXO... I'd imagine you'd see the same results from dcraw - just doing the raw conversion. I don't think dcraw does anything clever other than the debayering. Just saw your comment about DXO… I’d imagine you’d see the same results from dcraw – just doing the raw conversion. I don’t think dcraw does anything clever other than the debayering.

]]> By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2359 Hugh Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:08:54 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2359 dcraw is great because it's open-source and free and command-line, which is great for those of us who have huge amounts of conversions that we want to process over a number of machines. (Works on Linux, OSX and Windows, too) I'm not sure it's quality is particularly highly regarded, but it'd be good to see where it stands by DPP and ACR If you're on OSX, do grab this version (ready-compiled for OSX): http://www.insflug.org/raw/ It was rebuilt yesterday, so I'm assuming it's got the 5D MkII support built in. dcraw is great because it’s open-source and free and command-line, which is great for those of us who have huge amounts of conversions that we want to process over a number of machines. (Works on Linux, OSX and Windows, too)

I’m not sure it’s quality is particularly highly regarded, but it’d be good to see where it stands by DPP and ACR

If you’re on OSX, do grab this version (ready-compiled for OSX):
http://www.insflug.org/raw/
It was rebuilt yesterday, so I’m assuming it’s got the 5D MkII support built in.

]]> By: anonsk http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2358 anonsk Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:00:23 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2358 never heard of it. I'll have to give it a try. Does it have a particular reputation for a specific quality in its raw conversions. I also tried DXO Optics 5.3 raw converter (the 5D Mark II is not supported but have tried it with my 5D and 50D) and too have been dissapointed in certain regards. At high ISOs it simply smothers details with *no* noise reduction - it is just the raw conversion engine. It creates a very fine grain, but as it is pasted on an overly smooth image, it just doesn't look right. I'll have to dig up some comparisons for you to post later today maybe. I'll also look into dcraw (free trial??) never heard of it. I’ll have to give it a try. Does it have a particular reputation for a specific quality in its raw conversions. I also tried DXO Optics 5.3 raw converter (the 5D Mark II is not supported but have tried it with my 5D and 50D) and too have been dissapointed in certain regards. At high ISOs it simply smothers details with *no* noise reduction – it is just the raw conversion engine. It creates a very fine grain, but as it is pasted on an overly smooth image, it just doesn’t look right. I’ll have to dig up some comparisons for you to post later today maybe. I’ll also look into dcraw (free trial??)

]]> By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2357 Hugh Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:47:26 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2357 anonsk: Thanks for those... That's a amazing difference.... Out of interest, have you tried (or would you get a chance to try) using dcraw to convert them? We use that a lot here for automated conversions..... anonsk: Thanks for those… That’s a amazing difference….

Out of interest, have you tried (or would you get a chance to try) using dcraw to convert them? We use that a lot here for automated conversions…..

]]> By: Adam http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2356 Adam Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:10:55 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2356 DPP is the best IMO for Raw conversion. It's amazing how much leniency it gives you before any kind of noise is introduced. The noise reduction function is a bit pants on colours though (seems to shift them), but curves and exposure adjustment are brilliant in DPP. DPP is the best IMO for Raw conversion. It’s amazing how much leniency it gives you before any kind of noise is introduced. The noise reduction function is a bit pants on colours though (seems to shift them), but curves and exposure adjustment are brilliant in DPP.

]]> By: rubas http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2355 rubas Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:09:08 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2355 amazon took away the 25th of december message but still no date for shipment. amazon took away the 25th of december message but still no date for shipment.

]]> By: anonsk http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2354 anonsk Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:03:43 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2354 Here are the links please don't moderate me this time ;-) DPP freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6fceef0f9b.jpg ACR freeimagehosting.net/uploads/36ca637dc7.jpg your conclusions? (these are 100% crops at 25,600 ISO on the new 5D Mark II) I wouldn't say these are conclusive and final, but I would say it is a fairly controlled. have you found similar results? ... Here are the links please don’t moderate me this time ;-)

DPP
freeimagehosting.net/uploads/6fceef0f9b.jpg

ACR
freeimagehosting.net/uploads/36ca637dc7.jpg

your conclusions? (these are 100% crops at 25,600 ISO on the new 5D Mark II)

I wouldn’t say these are conclusive and final, but I would say it is a fairly controlled. have you found similar results? …

]]> By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2353 Hugh Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:53:21 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2353 Oh, I guess Lightroom is probably the same as ACR under the hood.... Oh, I guess Lightroom is probably the same as ACR under the hood….

]]> By: Hugh http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/11/5d-mark-iis-calumet-uk-2/comment-page-1/#comment-2352 Hugh Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:53:02 +0000 http://www.canonrumors.com/?p=1414#comment-2352 Any idea on what Aperture or Lightroom are like with the same files? (I'll be doing my own tests come next week - just wondering!) Any idea on what Aperture or Lightroom are like with the same files? (I’ll be doing my own tests come next week – just wondering!)

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