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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>London Drugs is honoring the pre-ordering price.

So thank you, London Drugs......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London Drugs is honoring the pre-ordering price.</p>
<p>So thank you, London Drugs&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jcss</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that people are getting the pre-order price there is talk of people who have complained and were charged the deposited price.

Canon is shrugging responsbility:
http://stoppriceincrease.blogspot.com/

Leaving the resellers holding the bag,

who are talking of and honouring the pre-ordered price...

the resellers are not allowed to rock the boat with Canon? at least at the salesmanager level, it appears as though a gag order was implemented?


My suggestions - demand the pre-order price, with compassion for your reseller who is footing the difference - and if they do not honour the agreement, pay the imposed illlegal levied price increase and then you will  have an infraction against you,  name the reseller and canon in a small claims suit.  You will win.  and maybe if they force enough to pay the new price, a class action will ensue (and the only part I am not 100% sure on - damages and opportunity lost can be sought).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that people are getting the pre-order price there is talk of people who have complained and were charged the deposited price.</p>
<p>Canon is shrugging responsbility:<br />
<a href="http://stoppriceincrease.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://stoppriceincrease.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Leaving the resellers holding the bag,</p>
<p>who are talking of and honouring the pre-ordered price&#8230;</p>
<p>the resellers are not allowed to rock the boat with Canon? at least at the salesmanager level, it appears as though a gag order was implemented?</p>
<p>My suggestions &#8211; demand the pre-order price, with compassion for your reseller who is footing the difference &#8211; and if they do not honour the agreement, pay the imposed illlegal levied price increase and then you will  have an infraction against you,  name the reseller and canon in a small claims suit.  You will win.  and maybe if they force enough to pay the new price, a class action will ensue (and the only part I am not 100% sure on &#8211; damages and opportunity lost can be sought).</p>
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		<title>By: jcss</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canon is planning to steal your money, not mine -see you tommorrow at delivery?

More than illegal - new evidence and  common sense - points to the strong possibility that Canon Canada is getting 5D&#039;s  at the old prices and breaking contract law, stealing an extra $300 because it is convenient....

BBB - I agree it is what I have been saying right from the start...Oh an by the way - Canon does utilize currency hedge practices here in Canada, just before the price increase (literally the day before, I was speaking with Ian McFarlane (That night i received the Email at midnight from my reseller while I was working)  I called Ian back the next day and have not been able to reach him since.  Another gentlemen from Canon equal in position to Ian, but in charge of the corporate side of sales was surprised to learn that on my invoices there was no disclaimer regarding delivery prices may fluctuate and insisted that in his department they always ensured one or the other - that they deal in future contracts or they have a disclaimer in the agreement...

So it leaves me to wonder if Consumer end of Canon Canada does have a futres agreement for the old prices and is quietly stealing money from everyone - or at least intending to ( I believe  Tommorrow is the delivery date).  Canon is not dumb enough to not know what is going on with it&#039;s own organization in different departments - the same lawyers and ceo&#039;s run the business plans for both sides at the top of their food chains.


, remember I had to point out that they had to know how many pre-orders were being made by authorized reseller&#039;s who were taking hefty deposites and ordering their stock from canon - that seeing the wildly popular success of their sub $3000 Full frame camera, they thought they would take advantage of the market and use any lame excuse and just not answer the phones after the prices increase...figuring we cannot live without having the camera due to the hype.

Imagine:
&quot;If everyone will pay $3649 for a camera and lens, why not charge them $3949 - they will probably still pay it, and about those pesky pre-orders, well  lets get rid of them so that the price was always $3949 and we don&#039;t have the complexity of two prices, we can cover our tracks and make a little extra profit ($150000) while we are it&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canon is planning to steal your money, not mine -see you tommorrow at delivery?</p>
<p>More than illegal &#8211; new evidence and  common sense &#8211; points to the strong possibility that Canon Canada is getting 5D&#8217;s  at the old prices and breaking contract law, stealing an extra $300 because it is convenient&#8230;.</p>
<p>BBB &#8211; I agree it is what I have been saying right from the start&#8230;Oh an by the way &#8211; Canon does utilize currency hedge practices here in Canada, just before the price increase (literally the day before, I was speaking with Ian McFarlane (That night i received the Email at midnight from my reseller while I was working)  I called Ian back the next day and have not been able to reach him since.  Another gentlemen from Canon equal in position to Ian, but in charge of the corporate side of sales was surprised to learn that on my invoices there was no disclaimer regarding delivery prices may fluctuate and insisted that in his department they always ensured one or the other &#8211; that they deal in future contracts or they have a disclaimer in the agreement&#8230;</p>
<p>So it leaves me to wonder if Consumer end of Canon Canada does have a futres agreement for the old prices and is quietly stealing money from everyone &#8211; or at least intending to ( I believe  Tommorrow is the delivery date).  Canon is not dumb enough to not know what is going on with it&#8217;s own organization in different departments &#8211; the same lawyers and ceo&#8217;s run the business plans for both sides at the top of their food chains.</p>
<p>, remember I had to point out that they had to know how many pre-orders were being made by authorized reseller&#8217;s who were taking hefty deposites and ordering their stock from canon &#8211; that seeing the wildly popular success of their sub $3000 Full frame camera, they thought they would take advantage of the market and use any lame excuse and just not answer the phones after the prices increase&#8230;figuring we cannot live without having the camera due to the hype.</p>
<p>Imagine:<br />
&#8220;If everyone will pay $3649 for a camera and lens, why not charge them $3949 &#8211; they will probably still pay it, and about those pesky pre-orders, well  lets get rid of them so that the price was always $3949 and we don&#8217;t have the complexity of two prices, we can cover our tracks and make a little extra profit ($150000) while we are it&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BBB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BBB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop the BS on the currency exchange. Any reasonable size of importing business would have currency hedge. I run a large importing business and most of our stuffs come from the US. However, we are still able to hold all our quoted price from 3-4 months ago. The reason is because we buy 6 months forward contract. For example, if we expect to bring in 100 unit of product X in the next 6 months, we would actually buy a future contract for that amount. Basically, I am still get 96 cents per dollar of us until my contract runs out. If Canon doesn&#039;t do that, I just think they run a very poor business. If they know they will be sending in 5000 units of the 5D, they should had a currency hedge contract to ensure the price. I like to find out what the wholesale cost for the camera is, if anyone knows, please comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop the BS on the currency exchange. Any reasonable size of importing business would have currency hedge. I run a large importing business and most of our stuffs come from the US. However, we are still able to hold all our quoted price from 3-4 months ago. The reason is because we buy 6 months forward contract. For example, if we expect to bring in 100 unit of product X in the next 6 months, we would actually buy a future contract for that amount. Basically, I am still get 96 cents per dollar of us until my contract runs out. If Canon doesn&#8217;t do that, I just think they run a very poor business. If they know they will be sending in 5000 units of the 5D, they should had a currency hedge contract to ensure the price. I like to find out what the wholesale cost for the camera is, if anyone knows, please comment!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being one of the poor saps who put his deposit on the first day of the price increase a few weeks ago, I wonder if I will be jumped up the line, since I&#039;m willing to pay the full price...(I&#039;m being sarcastic here, I feel for you all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being one of the poor saps who put his deposit on the first day of the price increase a few weeks ago, I wonder if I will be jumped up the line, since I&#8217;m willing to pay the full price&#8230;(I&#8217;m being sarcastic here, I feel for you all).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other point that I should emphasize is that all of my calculations are based on currency exchange rates relative to the Japanese Yen, because Japan is where we&#039;re effectively buying this product from. The USD/CAD exchange rate doesn&#039;t seem as relevant as the USD/JPY and CAD/JPY rates, from what I can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other point that I should emphasize is that all of my calculations are based on currency exchange rates relative to the Japanese Yen, because Japan is where we&#8217;re effectively buying this product from. The USD/CAD exchange rate doesn&#8217;t seem as relevant as the USD/JPY and CAD/JPY rates, from what I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, yes, I should have been clear: my comparisons are based on the kit price because that&#039;s what I&#039;ve pre-ordered. If anyone&#039;s interested in the body-only calculations, they&#039;re pretty easy to pull together too.

I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t have insight into how Canon sets MSRP, and what we should expect from them down the road. My goal in pulling this table together was just to get a sense of how much this camera really costs in each country, to put some perspective on how screwed Canadians might be relative to the rest of the world. Canon is certainly setting the MSRP in order to achieve some kind of profitability target, but they&#039;re victims of fluctuations in the currency markets like everyone else. Ultimately, all they should truly care about is how many Yen they&#039;re getting per unit sold, and so I imagine they&#039;re making tables much more advanced than mine, with the goal of setting an MSRP in each country that generates as much profit as they feel they need, making their best guesses about how much padding they need to add to hedge against currency market fluctuations.

My personal interpretation of their handling of the Canadian price is that they&#039;ve been surprisingly moderate in the price increase, considering how wildly our dollar has been falling and (less often) rising. Even after the increase, the MSRP in Canada is still the lowest among the countries I&#039;ve checked, when converted back to Yen. I&#039;m not sure why.

The CAD just took another hit this week, I&#039;m sad to say, and so I&#039;ve updated my numbers based on the latest exchange rates:

USD: 3499.95 95%
CAD: 3949.00 87%
GBP: 3049.99 122%
EUR: 3999.99 136%
AUD: 5799.00 102%
JPY: 358200.00 100%

The deal in Canada is still looking good by world standards, although the MSRP has dropped again into the 80s range, which makes me wonder if Canon might have another price increase in store. To change the price two weeks (or maybe even less) before general availability would be pretty poor form, though. Let&#039;s hope that they fear the backlash too much.

In spite of the Australian MSRP of $5799.00 that I&#039;ve listed, what I&#039;ve read suggests that the street price might be as low as $5200, which would bring the percentage down to 91%. That would be a pretty good deal for anyone who can get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, yes, I should have been clear: my comparisons are based on the kit price because that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve pre-ordered. If anyone&#8217;s interested in the body-only calculations, they&#8217;re pretty easy to pull together too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t have insight into how Canon sets MSRP, and what we should expect from them down the road. My goal in pulling this table together was just to get a sense of how much this camera really costs in each country, to put some perspective on how screwed Canadians might be relative to the rest of the world. Canon is certainly setting the MSRP in order to achieve some kind of profitability target, but they&#8217;re victims of fluctuations in the currency markets like everyone else. Ultimately, all they should truly care about is how many Yen they&#8217;re getting per unit sold, and so I imagine they&#8217;re making tables much more advanced than mine, with the goal of setting an MSRP in each country that generates as much profit as they feel they need, making their best guesses about how much padding they need to add to hedge against currency market fluctuations.</p>
<p>My personal interpretation of their handling of the Canadian price is that they&#8217;ve been surprisingly moderate in the price increase, considering how wildly our dollar has been falling and (less often) rising. Even after the increase, the MSRP in Canada is still the lowest among the countries I&#8217;ve checked, when converted back to Yen. I&#8217;m not sure why.</p>
<p>The CAD just took another hit this week, I&#8217;m sad to say, and so I&#8217;ve updated my numbers based on the latest exchange rates:</p>
<p>USD: 3499.95 95%<br />
CAD: 3949.00 87%<br />
GBP: 3049.99 122%<br />
EUR: 3999.99 136%<br />
AUD: 5799.00 102%<br />
JPY: 358200.00 100%</p>
<p>The deal in Canada is still looking good by world standards, although the MSRP has dropped again into the 80s range, which makes me wonder if Canon might have another price increase in store. To change the price two weeks (or maybe even less) before general availability would be pretty poor form, though. Let&#8217;s hope that they fear the backlash too much.</p>
<p>In spite of the Australian MSRP of $5799.00 that I&#8217;ve listed, what I&#8217;ve read suggests that the street price might be as low as $5200, which would bring the percentage down to 91%. That would be a pretty good deal for anyone who can get it.</p>
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		<title>By: jcss</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CORRECTION -

I hope you all are not taken for your hard earned money -</description>
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<p>I hope you all are not taken for your hard earned money -</p>
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		<title>By: jcss</title>
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		<dc:creator>jcss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I understand, and to be honest, if they raised the price to $5000, I wouldn&#039;t really care, outside of any previous ageements, I would just choose not to buy it.

It is of note and interest the worldwide price comparisons, for those who can glean info from them...just to be clear, youare speaking of the kit price?

I cannot pretend to know all the intricacies of everything that effects the MSRP, I am sure there are a lot of variables that are logical / legal / ethical...and I am not forgetting that Canon is a business, and it would be irresponsible to even us for them to not to try to turn a profit.

So,  sorry I missed your point...I do want to be clear so that everyone gets a clear message, undiluted, forgive me for being on a mission - I hope you all are taken for your hard earned money.

With respect (sincerely) to the numbers you found David, could you highlight some conclusions that they might point to for those of us unable to do so?  What does this mean for Canadians from a world wide perspective, and how much credit for precision can we attribute to Canon&#039;s MSRP&#039;s at any given time, (do you know or can you suppose what might sway them, are the MSRP&#039;s you are using all recently effected by the increase or are some still to be effected or not at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I understand, and to be honest, if they raised the price to $5000, I wouldn&#8217;t really care, outside of any previous ageements, I would just choose not to buy it.</p>
<p>It is of note and interest the worldwide price comparisons, for those who can glean info from them&#8230;just to be clear, youare speaking of the kit price?</p>
<p>I cannot pretend to know all the intricacies of everything that effects the MSRP, I am sure there are a lot of variables that are logical / legal / ethical&#8230;and I am not forgetting that Canon is a business, and it would be irresponsible to even us for them to not to try to turn a profit.</p>
<p>So,  sorry I missed your point&#8230;I do want to be clear so that everyone gets a clear message, undiluted, forgive me for being on a mission &#8211; I hope you all are taken for your hard earned money.</p>
<p>With respect (sincerely) to the numbers you found David, could you highlight some conclusions that they might point to for those of us unable to do so?  What does this mean for Canadians from a world wide perspective, and how much credit for precision can we attribute to Canon&#8217;s MSRP&#8217;s at any given time, (do you know or can you suppose what might sway them, are the MSRP&#8217;s you are using all recently effected by the increase or are some still to be effected or not at all).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you&#039;ve made your point about the legal and/or ethical dubiousness of the price change perfectly clear. I have no interest in arguing that because I am not a lawyer and don&#039;t bring any new or useful information to the table. I&#039;m sharing what I&#039;ve learnt about worldwide pricing info as a separate point that many people may find interesting and relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you&#8217;ve made your point about the legal and/or ethical dubiousness of the price change perfectly clear. I have no interest in arguing that because I am not a lawyer and don&#8217;t bring any new or useful information to the table. I&#8217;m sharing what I&#8217;ve learnt about worldwide pricing info as a separate point that many people may find interesting and relevant.</p>
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