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		<title>By: Old Canon Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-45887</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Canon Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to the previous comment:

The Super-Canomatic lenses did indeed have an automatic diaphragm, but you had to use the second aperture ring for DOF preview. Still a pain.

Also, I forgot the 200mm f3.5 was available early on. Other lenses including the 85mm f1.8 and the 100mm f2.0 and f3.5 showed up later, but oddly there was not a lens wider than 35mm.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to the previous comment:</p>
<p>The Super-Canomatic lenses did indeed have an automatic diaphragm, but you had to use the second aperture ring for DOF preview. Still a pain.</p>
<p>Also, I forgot the 200mm f3.5 was available early on. Other lenses including the 85mm f1.8 and the 100mm f2.0 and f3.5 showed up later, but oddly there was not a lens wider than 35mm.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Canon Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-45882</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Canon Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your camera is the original model of the Canonflex. It was introduced around the same time as the original Nikon F. Nikon ate Canon&#039;s lunch back then because Canon only had a 35mm f2.5, a 50mm f1.8, and a 135mm f2.5 preset lenses at launch. I&#039;m not sure if the 58mm f1.2 was available at launch. Poor lens choice plus the folding trigger wind and other oddities made the Nikon the obvious choice.

That said, the Canonflex is a great camera. It&#039;s built like a tank, the shutter is very reliable and the lenses are quite good although presets are a pain in the rear to use.

It has a selenium meter. No battery. The array of plastic &quot;lenses&quot; distributes reflective light. There should be a flat translucent white plastic incident light slip on cover with the meter. In your photo, the meter is not mounted correctly on the body. The shutter speed on the meter should correspond with the shutter dial setting. Either way, though, the meter will not be accurate, assuming it is still working.

As to the removable prism, somewhere along the way, someone grafted an accessory shoe from a much later vintage camera onto it. Too bad, because it mars the original. Canon made a bayonet mount accessory flash holder that mounts onto the bayonet surrounding the PC contact at the end of the camera near the rewind crank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your camera is the original model of the Canonflex. It was introduced around the same time as the original Nikon F. Nikon ate Canon&#8217;s lunch back then because Canon only had a 35mm f2.5, a 50mm f1.8, and a 135mm f2.5 preset lenses at launch. I&#8217;m not sure if the 58mm f1.2 was available at launch. Poor lens choice plus the folding trigger wind and other oddities made the Nikon the obvious choice.</p>
<p>That said, the Canonflex is a great camera. It&#8217;s built like a tank, the shutter is very reliable and the lenses are quite good although presets are a pain in the rear to use.</p>
<p>It has a selenium meter. No battery. The array of plastic &#8220;lenses&#8221; distributes reflective light. There should be a flat translucent white plastic incident light slip on cover with the meter. In your photo, the meter is not mounted correctly on the body. The shutter speed on the meter should correspond with the shutter dial setting. Either way, though, the meter will not be accurate, assuming it is still working.</p>
<p>As to the removable prism, somewhere along the way, someone grafted an accessory shoe from a much later vintage camera onto it. Too bad, because it mars the original. Canon made a bayonet mount accessory flash holder that mounts onto the bayonet surrounding the PC contact at the end of the camera near the rewind crank.</p>
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		<title>By: mantra</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-45022</link>
		<dc:creator>mantra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would love to have one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would love to have one!</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-39146</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is also a silver ring that screws into the lenses.  Do you know what it is for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a silver ring that screws into the lenses.  Do you know what it is for?</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-39145</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I noticed your eye lens attachment has a flash bracket.  My camera does not.  Is that the only way to use a flash with this camera?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I noticed your eye lens attachment has a flash bracket.  My camera does not.  Is that the only way to use a flash with this camera?</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2008/12/history-lesson-1959-canonflex/comment-page-1/#comment-39143</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a camera just like yours without the flash on top.  Any idea what year it is and what it is worth?  It has two lens sizes (50mm &amp; 135mm).  It was my Dad&#039;s (he&#039;s 82).  He used an Argus light meter.  I don&#039;t know if he ever had a canon light meter with it.  There is also an additional part that fits on the back of the camer to look through. I&#039;m not sure how it is used.  Oh, I just figured out where it goes.  The eye lens removes from the top and the additional longer eye lens fits in and you can look through the top of the camera.  I&#039;m glad I found your site because I have had this camera over 10 years and never checked to see how it worked.  What a great site and very informed people on the site.  Thanks everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a camera just like yours without the flash on top.  Any idea what year it is and what it is worth?  It has two lens sizes (50mm &amp; 135mm).  It was my Dad&#8217;s (he&#8217;s 82).  He used an Argus light meter.  I don&#8217;t know if he ever had a canon light meter with it.  There is also an additional part that fits on the back of the camer to look through. I&#8217;m not sure how it is used.  Oh, I just figured out where it goes.  The eye lens removes from the top and the additional longer eye lens fits in and you can look through the top of the camera.  I&#8217;m glad I found your site because I have had this camera over 10 years and never checked to see how it worked.  What a great site and very informed people on the site.  Thanks everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Canonflex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canonflex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I promise you that the meter does not need a battery.

I have one of each body in the C-flex series. The original version, the one pictured above (which I call the R1000) with meter, the R2000 with meter, the RP (and a second one in black)with meter, Canon RM, Bell &amp; Howell RM. The RM version had the built in meter while the others used an optional clip on meter. The R2000 meter had an extra setting for the 1/2000 shutter speed which the other clip one meters lacked. I also have all the lenses from 35 to 600mm and a number of accessories. I&#039;ve added the 19 FL-R and 28mm FL lenses to get wide angle coverage.

The R lens mount is the same as the FL and FD mounts. The difference is in the operating system for each family. R lenses have two prongs on the back. FL have only one. FD have two but arranged differently. R lenses will mount on later cameras. FL lenses will mount on C-flex cameras. FD lenses are either impossible to mount or will cause damage to themselves or their host. When using lenses on cameras they were not designed for there&#039;s no automation and everything must be set by hand.

@ Jason

I don&#039;t see any continuity of style between this and later Canon film cameras. the RM version was totally different to the one pictured here.

The two apeture rings were a cross between a pre-set and an automatic lens. One ring let you set the desired value but the lens only closed down during the time the shutter was open. The second ring actually did close down the lens to whatever value you selected and kept it there until you changed it. This served as the depth of field preview.

The long teles used a bellows focusing system had had no auto diaphram. They came straight from the rangefinder line where they were used with a mirror box. Because of the bellows focusing, these long teles can be used on today&#039;s EOS models with a glassless EF-FD adapter ring and they will focus to infinity. There were also economy versions of the 85, 100 and 135 lenses that were also RF lenses with different mounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I promise you that the meter does not need a battery.</p>
<p>I have one of each body in the C-flex series. The original version, the one pictured above (which I call the R1000) with meter, the R2000 with meter, the RP (and a second one in black)with meter, Canon RM, Bell &amp; Howell RM. The RM version had the built in meter while the others used an optional clip on meter. The R2000 meter had an extra setting for the 1/2000 shutter speed which the other clip one meters lacked. I also have all the lenses from 35 to 600mm and a number of accessories. I&#8217;ve added the 19 FL-R and 28mm FL lenses to get wide angle coverage.</p>
<p>The R lens mount is the same as the FL and FD mounts. The difference is in the operating system for each family. R lenses have two prongs on the back. FL have only one. FD have two but arranged differently. R lenses will mount on later cameras. FL lenses will mount on C-flex cameras. FD lenses are either impossible to mount or will cause damage to themselves or their host. When using lenses on cameras they were not designed for there&#8217;s no automation and everything must be set by hand.</p>
<p>@ Jason</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any continuity of style between this and later Canon film cameras. the RM version was totally different to the one pictured here.</p>
<p>The two apeture rings were a cross between a pre-set and an automatic lens. One ring let you set the desired value but the lens only closed down during the time the shutter was open. The second ring actually did close down the lens to whatever value you selected and kept it there until you changed it. This served as the depth of field preview.</p>
<p>The long teles used a bellows focusing system had had no auto diaphram. They came straight from the rangefinder line where they were used with a mirror box. Because of the bellows focusing, these long teles can be used on today&#8217;s EOS models with a glassless EF-FD adapter ring and they will focus to infinity. There were also economy versions of the 85, 100 and 135 lenses that were also RF lenses with different mounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were did you find this gem? I&#039;m a photo student that is collecting all the cool older cameras I can find but this one has eluded me for quite some time now. Beautiful camera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were did you find this gem? I&#8217;m a photo student that is collecting all the cool older cameras I can find but this one has eluded me for quite some time now. Beautiful camera.</p>
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		<title>By: Pompo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pompo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 06:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least the print button was hidden back then...

Seriously ...I really like how the old mechanical lenses were build and how they looked...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least the print button was hidden back then&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously &#8230;I really like how the old mechanical lenses were build and how they looked&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nikon presenta la D3s: Presentaci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikon presenta la D3s: Presentaci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] la descatalogan, venden 17.000 unidades, Nikon con su superestrella F vende 862.000 unidades. History Lesson &#8211; 1959 Canonflex &#124; Canon Rumors  slds.     __________________  Cuando no es un pito, es una [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] la descatalogan, venden 17.000 unidades, Nikon con su superestrella F vende 862.000 unidades. History Lesson &#8211; 1959 Canonflex | Canon Rumors  slds.     __________________  Cuando no es un pito, es una [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it&#039;s amazing how similar this looks to the rest of the whole pre-electronic Canon slr line!

The dual lens aperture rings are confusing: which of the two aperture-numbered rings actually turns, and why are there two?

Jason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it&#8217;s amazing how similar this looks to the rest of the whole pre-electronic Canon slr line!</p>
<p>The dual lens aperture rings are confusing: which of the two aperture-numbered rings actually turns, and why are there two?</p>
<p>Jason.</p>
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		<title>By: Renato</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly selenium, like the meter on Leica M3 (which attached to hot shoe). Mine is also not working anymore, I&#039;ll see if I can repair it. The advantage was: no batteries, some say better for colors (at that time).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly selenium, like the meter on Leica M3 (which attached to hot shoe). Mine is also not working anymore, I&#8217;ll see if I can repair it. The advantage was: no batteries, some say better for colors (at that time).</p>
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		<title>By: living brain donor</title>
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		<dc:creator>living brain donor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 04:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s definitely a selenium cell meter. The CDS meters didn&#039;t require all of that surface area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s definitely a selenium cell meter. The CDS meters didn&#8217;t require all of that surface area.</p>
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		<title>By: TolM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TolM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sheer size of the metering lens array tells me it is the selenium type of meter.  It could be that the selenium photovoltaic sell is weak or dirty, or that the meter&#039;s magnet has lost some magnetism over the years.  In either case, open it up and look for a means of adjusting or calibrating it.  It might have an adjustable or replaceable resistor in the circuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sheer size of the metering lens array tells me it is the selenium type of meter.  It could be that the selenium photovoltaic sell is weak or dirty, or that the meter&#8217;s magnet has lost some magnetism over the years.  In either case, open it up and look for a means of adjusting or calibrating it.  It might have an adjustable or replaceable resistor in the circuit.</p>
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