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	<title>Comments on: *UPDATE* New Canon Video Camera &amp; dSLR Features</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-11478</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

I found a petition to add 720p HD video option to the Canon SX1 IS. Please sign it here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/canonsx1/petition.html</description>
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<p>I found a petition to add 720p HD video option to the Canon SX1 IS. Please sign it here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/canonsx1/petition.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.petitiononline.com/canonsx1/petition.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Canon Rumors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Video Camera Rumors [CR1]</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-9275</link>
		<dc:creator>Canon Rumors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Video Camera Rumors [CR1]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Canon Video Camcorder - Canon Camcorders</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7933</link>
		<dc:creator>Canon Video Camcorder - Canon Camcorders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Canon Rumors Ã‚Â» Blog Archive Ã‚Â» *UPDATE* New Canon Video Camera ... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7640</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried PAL DVDs that I have encoded in the PS3 and Blu-ray player, and they said &quot;Will not support PAL format&quot; on the screen - or something to that effect.  I don&#039;t have any 1080/50i or 25p Blu-rays, but I might try encoding one and seeing if it plays in the PS3 or Blu-ray player here, with HDMI to the TV, but I have my doubts.  The HDV footage i played in an NTSC HDV camcorder I filmed in Australia using a Sony Z1 in 1080 50i.  It played on the US spec Sony HC9, on the viewfinder, it did say 1080/50i, but using an HDMI cable, plugged in to the Sony Bravia, nothing was displayed on the TV.  I have noticed it&#039;s common for US spec equipment not to support 50i/25p or PAL - or at least not specified on spec sheets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried PAL DVDs that I have encoded in the PS3 and Blu-ray player, and they said &#8220;Will not support PAL format&#8221; on the screen &#8211; or something to that effect.  I don&#8217;t have any 1080/50i or 25p Blu-rays, but I might try encoding one and seeing if it plays in the PS3 or Blu-ray player here, with HDMI to the TV, but I have my doubts.  The HDV footage i played in an NTSC HDV camcorder I filmed in Australia using a Sony Z1 in 1080 50i.  It played on the US spec Sony HC9, on the viewfinder, it did say 1080/50i, but using an HDMI cable, plugged in to the Sony Bravia, nothing was displayed on the TV.  I have noticed it&#8217;s common for US spec equipment not to support 50i/25p or PAL &#8211; or at least not specified on spec sheets.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7633</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 16:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, all blu-ray players should play 1080 24p, which has no relationship to NTSC or PAL. So I&#039;m curious what type of disc you tried playing that was 50i in blu-ray player and PS3? My understanding is while a Blu-ray disc will handle either 50i or 60i (and 24p) the DVD playback from those machines will still be region oriented to PAL or NTSC.

I did a training video for a multinational company that was shot on my XH-A1 in 60i and from a Sony HDV in Europe in 50i. I put the footage in both formats on the Edius timeline and edited it, then output a 1080 30p master AVI, as well as a mastered NTSC DVD and PAL DVD. The only problem came when the PAL DVD region code on certain players in the UK, so I sent them a WD 80 gig hard drive with a 50i AVI on it that they mastered locally to get around the region code restrictions.

So NTSC and PAL have not been the problem in HD for me, but the region code issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, all blu-ray players should play 1080 24p, which has no relationship to NTSC or PAL. So I&#8217;m curious what type of disc you tried playing that was 50i in blu-ray player and PS3? My understanding is while a Blu-ray disc will handle either 50i or 60i (and 24p) the DVD playback from those machines will still be region oriented to PAL or NTSC.</p>
<p>I did a training video for a multinational company that was shot on my XH-A1 in 60i and from a Sony HDV in Europe in 50i. I put the footage in both formats on the Edius timeline and edited it, then output a 1080 30p master AVI, as well as a mastered NTSC DVD and PAL DVD. The only problem came when the PAL DVD region code on certain players in the UK, so I sent them a WD 80 gig hard drive with a 50i AVI on it that they mastered locally to get around the region code restrictions.</p>
<p>So NTSC and PAL have not been the problem in HD for me, but the region code issue.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7613</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sounds like some corner cutting going on...this should not be an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like some corner cutting going on&#8230;this should not be an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7609</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I have tried to play 1080/50i footage using US-spec Sony equipment.  It played from a Sony HDV camcorder, it was able to play back the 50i footage despite only recording in 60i, but the Sony KDL-46V4100 wouldn&#039;t accept the 50i signal.  The US spec BDP-S350 Blu-ray player and PS3 also will not play back 50i signals.  So there&#039;s still more of a compatibility issue than region codes.  Some countries like Australia get the majority of electronic equipment being compatible with NTSC formats, despite mainly being PAL based.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I have tried to play 1080/50i footage using US-spec Sony equipment.  It played from a Sony HDV camcorder, it was able to play back the 50i footage despite only recording in 60i, but the Sony KDL-46V4100 wouldn&#8217;t accept the 50i signal.  The US spec BDP-S350 Blu-ray player and PS3 also will not play back 50i signals.  So there&#8217;s still more of a compatibility issue than region codes.  Some countries like Australia get the majority of electronic equipment being compatible with NTSC formats, despite mainly being PAL based.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7607</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to EICTA, all display devices sold as &quot;HD ready&quot; must among other conditions accept both 50Hz and 60Hz signals, so it&#039;s a mute issue. As for HD broadcast signals (over the air) yes in Europe they stuck with 50 hz, but unless you are broadcasting HD over the air it is a non-issue. Your HD TV or computer does not care if it&#039;s 24fps, 25fps, or 30fps. 50i and 60i are interlaced, so the progressive frame rate is really 25 (half of 50i) or 30 (half of 60i) fps.

Region codes are the real problem. Just ask Queen Elizabeth why she couldn&#039;t watch the DVD Obama gave her. All this complaining about 50i vs. 60i, 25p vs. 30p is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to EICTA, all display devices sold as &#8220;HD ready&#8221; must among other conditions accept both 50Hz and 60Hz signals, so it&#8217;s a mute issue. As for HD broadcast signals (over the air) yes in Europe they stuck with 50 hz, but unless you are broadcasting HD over the air it is a non-issue. Your HD TV or computer does not care if it&#8217;s 24fps, 25fps, or 30fps. 50i and 60i are interlaced, so the progressive frame rate is really 25 (half of 50i) or 30 (half of 60i) fps.</p>
<p>Region codes are the real problem. Just ask Queen Elizabeth why she couldn&#8217;t watch the DVD Obama gave her. All this complaining about 50i vs. 60i, 25p vs. 30p is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7604</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 21:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5DMkII fan boys that think their camera can outdo every video camera out there, in every way, consider this:

Pro camcorders need: -

* a high resolution EVF that is tiltable for lower and higher than eye level.

* XLR audio inputs, with AGC and manual override, with 48Khz PCM audio.

*Timecode in/out

*genlock

*remote CCU interface

*ergonomic access to White Balance, AF/MF, iris, gain, manual and electronic zoom rocker switch

*it needs to feel balanced for steady and comfortable long operation, for tilt,pan,zoom with the ability to pull-focus at the same time as needed.  This is even more critical with larger image sensors.

*long record times (FAT 32 will not do) - hey that rhymes!

*If we are going to the cinematic camera route, then we need 4K output, not just 1080p, which is a TV/video format, not digital cinema.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5DMkII fan boys that think their camera can outdo every video camera out there, in every way, consider this:</p>
<p>Pro camcorders need: -</p>
<p>* a high resolution EVF that is tiltable for lower and higher than eye level.</p>
<p>* XLR audio inputs, with AGC and manual override, with 48Khz PCM audio.</p>
<p>*Timecode in/out</p>
<p>*genlock</p>
<p>*remote CCU interface</p>
<p>*ergonomic access to White Balance, AF/MF, iris, gain, manual and electronic zoom rocker switch</p>
<p>*it needs to feel balanced for steady and comfortable long operation, for tilt,pan,zoom with the ability to pull-focus at the same time as needed.  This is even more critical with larger image sensors.</p>
<p>*long record times (FAT 32 will not do) &#8211; hey that rhymes!</p>
<p>*If we are going to the cinematic camera route, then we need 4K output, not just 1080p, which is a TV/video format, not digital cinema.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7603</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 21:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there is PAL HD and NTSC HD, one being HD with 25 fps, and the other being HD with 30 fps. Have a look on new HD camcorders. One that does 1080/60i will still say NTSC, and one that records in 1080/50i will say PAL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there is PAL HD and NTSC HD, one being HD with 25 fps, and the other being HD with 30 fps. Have a look on new HD camcorders. One that does 1080/60i will still say NTSC, and one that records in 1080/50i will say PAL.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7561</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even the largest companies do not have unlimited resources. Firmware updates are usually to fix bugs, not add completely new features, because at some point you have to turn your programmers loose developing the next generation product. No company is perfect. No company produces a perfect product. Electonics are evolving. Geesh all this whining and accusations about crippling products and rewriting firmware to make a camera do something it was never advertised for is quite funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even the largest companies do not have unlimited resources. Firmware updates are usually to fix bugs, not add completely new features, because at some point you have to turn your programmers loose developing the next generation product. No company is perfect. No company produces a perfect product. Electonics are evolving. Geesh all this whining and accusations about crippling products and rewriting firmware to make a camera do something it was never advertised for is quite funny.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7520</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no reason they could not make a EF-v line of video friendly lenses. Back in the early 80&#039;s Chinon made some zooms with power zoom on them, they were bigger and heavier, and totally useless back then. So with today&#039;s tech advances I see no reason they could not add a rocker switch on the of a zoom for smooth zooming video. Also, as DSLR&#039;s evolve they could add it to the body near the shutter button. Smooth zoom is a feature for video, but I&#039;d like to use my whole EF lens collection for video, as often I don&#039;t need motion zooming, so a few EF-v lenses would be good but it would not need to replace all my others.

As for the 20 fps on the Rebel, 24 fps is as slow as you want to go for smooth video, and even with that you don&#039;t want to be shooting action/sports as it will just blur like a too slow shutter speed. For action 30p works decent, 60p is great. Canon knows all this. They must have tested the Rebel 20fps feature as well and knew it was jerky looking before they released it. They could squeeze good 720p out of the 50D chip they smacked into the Rebel, but obviously not decent 1080p. The only reason I can think of is marketing purposes so they could put the 1080p logo on it to stave some buyers from jumping to the micro 4/3 format in which Canon has no product and once you&#039;re buying Panasonic/Olympus lenses for your 1080p GH1 you are probably not buying new Canon lenses. But will this come back and haunt Canon? Will people feel Canon sucks when they start looking at the 1080p footage off their Rebel? Or, maybe Canon has profiled the Rebel buyer enough to know they wont notice jerky video anyway?

Hope your fixes work out, Ted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reason they could not make a EF-v line of video friendly lenses. Back in the early 80&#8217;s Chinon made some zooms with power zoom on them, they were bigger and heavier, and totally useless back then. So with today&#8217;s tech advances I see no reason they could not add a rocker switch on the of a zoom for smooth zooming video. Also, as DSLR&#8217;s evolve they could add it to the body near the shutter button. Smooth zoom is a feature for video, but I&#8217;d like to use my whole EF lens collection for video, as often I don&#8217;t need motion zooming, so a few EF-v lenses would be good but it would not need to replace all my others.</p>
<p>As for the 20 fps on the Rebel, 24 fps is as slow as you want to go for smooth video, and even with that you don&#8217;t want to be shooting action/sports as it will just blur like a too slow shutter speed. For action 30p works decent, 60p is great. Canon knows all this. They must have tested the Rebel 20fps feature as well and knew it was jerky looking before they released it. They could squeeze good 720p out of the 50D chip they smacked into the Rebel, but obviously not decent 1080p. The only reason I can think of is marketing purposes so they could put the 1080p logo on it to stave some buyers from jumping to the micro 4/3 format in which Canon has no product and once you&#8217;re buying Panasonic/Olympus lenses for your 1080p GH1 you are probably not buying new Canon lenses. But will this come back and haunt Canon? Will people feel Canon sucks when they start looking at the 1080p footage off their Rebel? Or, maybe Canon has profiled the Rebel buyer enough to know they wont notice jerky video anyway?</p>
<p>Hope your fixes work out, Ted.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7495</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to all my own replies....

Jeez, I do spout a whole load of unsubstantiated, fairy-tale BS on this site, don&#039;t I? It&#039;s amazing what I can make sound plausible (to me) just by making a few, unwarranted assumptions.

At least I can&#039;t be accused of wasting everyone&#039;s time when I should be out taking photographs like a *normal* person. I don&#039;t have a camera. All my gear is back with Canon for a third round of fixes for focusing problems. It&#039;s been a six month marathon, but I&#039;m hoping that this time it will all work for sure.

If you could all cross your fingers for me, I&#039;d appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to all my own replies&#8230;.</p>
<p>Jeez, I do spout a whole load of unsubstantiated, fairy-tale BS on this site, don&#8217;t I? It&#8217;s amazing what I can make sound plausible (to me) just by making a few, unwarranted assumptions.</p>
<p>At least I can&#8217;t be accused of wasting everyone&#8217;s time when I should be out taking photographs like a *normal* person. I don&#8217;t have a camera. All my gear is back with Canon for a third round of fixes for focusing problems. It&#8217;s been a six month marathon, but I&#8217;m hoping that this time it will all work for sure.</p>
<p>If you could all cross your fingers for me, I&#8217;d appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/update-new-canon-video-camera-dslr-features/comment-page-1/#comment-7494</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me explain my analogy: the firmware update is the cheap sledge hammer, the valuable market for a whole new line of specialist EOS video cameras is the car. Just because a sledge hanner is cheap doesn&#039;t mean that it is cheap to trash your car with it. You would have omitted a critical factor in your determination of the cost.

I *agreed* that a firmware update would not require much effort. However, what if spending a few bucks on releasing a firmware update costs them millions of bucks in lost sales on a whole new line of cameras? Cameras that would be much better for shooting vide than a 5DII could even if the 5DII had 24fps, or whatever else firmware can give it.

I&#039;d like AF microadjustment on my 40D (I had to send it back to Canon *again* yesterday), I&#039;d like video, I&#039;d like proper zoom on playback so I can chimp and check the focus. These could all be provided by a free firmware update. However, I knew the camera had none of these features when I bought it and I knew that Canon were highly unlikely to provide them in any future firmware update. I got what I paid for and, much as I would appreciate some freebies, I cannot hold it against Canon if they do not give them to me.

Canon can take a firm line: you, the customer, knew what you were buying, you paid your money and you got what you paid for. Are you really *entitled* to get more than that? Did you make it a condition of your contract with Canon when you purchased their camera? Sure, it would be nice to receive a new feature for nothing, but what right have you to expect that? From Canon? With their track record?

Canon exist to serve their shareholders first and their customers second. It&#039;s a fine line to tread: you can&#039;t ignore one side completely in favour of the other. Canon may hurt a few feelings by leaving video on the 5DII in a &quot;crippled&quot; state and instead develop new cameras that make them more money in the long term, even allowing for lost customers and lost sales of the 5DII. Forget what you think they *should* do for you, their customer; what do you think they *will* do for their shareholders?

The bottom line is this: if you need to buy the next new Canon camera to get a feature that you want instead of getting it for free in a firmware update, then Canon make more money that they can spend on making the next camera even better. This is not a secret. That is how Canon operate. That is why their EOS system is so good. Nikon seem to have chosen a different route of late and only time will tell whose strategy proves the most viable in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me explain my analogy: the firmware update is the cheap sledge hammer, the valuable market for a whole new line of specialist EOS video cameras is the car. Just because a sledge hanner is cheap doesn&#8217;t mean that it is cheap to trash your car with it. You would have omitted a critical factor in your determination of the cost.</p>
<p>I *agreed* that a firmware update would not require much effort. However, what if spending a few bucks on releasing a firmware update costs them millions of bucks in lost sales on a whole new line of cameras? Cameras that would be much better for shooting vide than a 5DII could even if the 5DII had 24fps, or whatever else firmware can give it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like AF microadjustment on my 40D (I had to send it back to Canon *again* yesterday), I&#8217;d like video, I&#8217;d like proper zoom on playback so I can chimp and check the focus. These could all be provided by a free firmware update. However, I knew the camera had none of these features when I bought it and I knew that Canon were highly unlikely to provide them in any future firmware update. I got what I paid for and, much as I would appreciate some freebies, I cannot hold it against Canon if they do not give them to me.</p>
<p>Canon can take a firm line: you, the customer, knew what you were buying, you paid your money and you got what you paid for. Are you really *entitled* to get more than that? Did you make it a condition of your contract with Canon when you purchased their camera? Sure, it would be nice to receive a new feature for nothing, but what right have you to expect that? From Canon? With their track record?</p>
<p>Canon exist to serve their shareholders first and their customers second. It&#8217;s a fine line to tread: you can&#8217;t ignore one side completely in favour of the other. Canon may hurt a few feelings by leaving video on the 5DII in a &#8220;crippled&#8221; state and instead develop new cameras that make them more money in the long term, even allowing for lost customers and lost sales of the 5DII. Forget what you think they *should* do for you, their customer; what do you think they *will* do for their shareholders?</p>
<p>The bottom line is this: if you need to buy the next new Canon camera to get a feature that you want instead of getting it for free in a firmware update, then Canon make more money that they can spend on making the next camera even better. This is not a secret. That is how Canon operate. That is why their EOS system is so good. Nikon seem to have chosen a different route of late and only time will tell whose strategy proves the most viable in the long term.</p>
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