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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there - first off, longtime reader, first time commenter. I thought I should probably say thanks for posting this piece, and I&#039;ll be back!</description>
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		<title>By: Kommt die Canon EOS 60D noch 2009?&#160;&#124;&#160;Katharina Lehmann Fotografie &#124; Oldenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kommt die Canon EOS 60D noch 2009?&#160;&#124;&#160;Katharina Lehmann Fotografie &#124; Oldenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Canon Rumors will Informationen haben, nach denen die Canon EOS 60D noch in diesem Jahr kommen wird. Es soll bei der DSLR-Kamera zwar beim APS-C Sensor bleiben, aber es kommt wohl ein DIGIC V Bildprozessor. ÃƒÅ“berhaupt soll nach den ersten GerÃƒÂ¼chten der Sprung diesmal deutlich grÃƒÂ¶ÃƒÅ¸er werden als von der 40D auf die 50D. Genauere Daten fehlen aber noch. Ich bin gespannt! [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really late on getting onto this, currently researching Canon SLR&#039;s and notice the huge gap in price from 50D [AU$1900 RRP] to the 5D [$4800].

There seems to be a need to slot something in between here; So here&#039;s my ideas for the &quot;60D&quot; Development:

- 50D to replace 40D, and retain numbering as 50D then 50Di (ii,... etc) for future updates. Slight drop in pricing of the 50D, though more expensive than the 40D was. 
This will leave 2-3 &quot;Consumer DSLR&quot; to choose from with the xxxD models;

- 60D to become a semi-pro line;  
[I don&#039;t like the 7D moniker for this line, though a jump to 70D would be OK]

- 1.3x Crop (YES, No EF-S lenses on this series) for a lower pixel/area ratio;

- Weather/Dust Sealing

- 15MP is sufficient at 6fps;
(Range to remain approx 5MP less than 5D models througout lifecycle)

- Perhaps do away with mirrored viewfinders and gain hi-res, 98-100% coverage EVF to keep the body size smaller than 5D. [And compete with Micro Four Thirds]

- HD Video will continue to be move into these cameras, Stereo Mics please, and full compatibility with &quot;V-Series&quot; lenses too

- Articulated HD Screens: I&#039;m sure the cost difference of articulated vs fixed screens is negligible given the welcome protection it affords, and extra practicality, especially with videos

- Perhaps offer both SD and CF slots given this is between the consumer and pro lines

- Price at about 50% more than the current 50D Price [approx AU$2800].  Justifiable, given what ought to be much better image quality.

Other incremental upgrades (eg AF points) are a given, but I really don&#039;t want to see any of the following:

- Flash, onboard flash&#039;s are pretty redundant; 

- Touch screen LCDs, save it for the iphones

- Onboard GPS/WiFi - but should be a much cheaper option than it is at the moment.
[Wifi should be added to 5D/1D as standard, given the very low cost to add in]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really late on getting onto this, currently researching Canon SLR&#8217;s and notice the huge gap in price from 50D [AU$1900 RRP] to the 5D [$4800].</p>
<p>There seems to be a need to slot something in between here; So here&#8217;s my ideas for the &#8220;60D&#8221; Development:</p>
<p>- 50D to replace 40D, and retain numbering as 50D then 50Di (ii,&#8230; etc) for future updates. Slight drop in pricing of the 50D, though more expensive than the 40D was.<br />
This will leave 2-3 &#8220;Consumer DSLR&#8221; to choose from with the xxxD models;</p>
<p>- 60D to become a semi-pro line;<br />
[I don't like the 7D moniker for this line, though a jump to 70D would be OK]</p>
<p>- 1.3x Crop (YES, No EF-S lenses on this series) for a lower pixel/area ratio;</p>
<p>- Weather/Dust Sealing</p>
<p>- 15MP is sufficient at 6fps;<br />
(Range to remain approx 5MP less than 5D models througout lifecycle)</p>
<p>- Perhaps do away with mirrored viewfinders and gain hi-res, 98-100% coverage EVF to keep the body size smaller than 5D. [And compete with Micro Four Thirds]</p>
<p>- HD Video will continue to be move into these cameras, Stereo Mics please, and full compatibility with &#8220;V-Series&#8221; lenses too</p>
<p>- Articulated HD Screens: I&#8217;m sure the cost difference of articulated vs fixed screens is negligible given the welcome protection it affords, and extra practicality, especially with videos</p>
<p>- Perhaps offer both SD and CF slots given this is between the consumer and pro lines</p>
<p>- Price at about 50% more than the current 50D Price [approx AU$2800].  Justifiable, given what ought to be much better image quality.</p>
<p>Other incremental upgrades (eg AF points) are a given, but I really don&#8217;t want to see any of the following:</p>
<p>- Flash, onboard flash&#8217;s are pretty redundant; </p>
<p>- Touch screen LCDs, save it for the iphones</p>
<p>- Onboard GPS/WiFi &#8211; but should be a much cheaper option than it is at the moment.<br />
[Wifi should be added to 5D/1D as standard, given the very low cost to add in]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wants a good camera</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 05:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree, however not so strongly with the more autofocus point. sure it would be good. but its not necessary for me. also, improved speed (frames/second) would be handy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree, however not so strongly with the more autofocus point. sure it would be good. but its not necessary for me. also, improved speed (frames/second) would be handy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; OK. It still takes time to adjust
&gt; the focus and take multiple shots.
&gt; so I do not agree with the usefulness

For small adjustments, focus can be changed in milliseconds, and it can be done while the previous image is being transferred. Remember, this doesn&#039;t use the AF sensor - it&#039;s a fixed set of steps ahead of calculated (or set) focus, thru there, and past. Or vice-versa. The speed of the camera won&#039;t be focus limited, it&#039;ll be limited to the rate the camera can snap. So you&#039;re definitely wrong here. It&#039;ll be just as fast, and therefore just as useful, as H/drive is. You&#039;re not going to argue that H/drive is useless, are you? (smile)

&gt; furthermore, in those examples, if
&gt; the camera had a good tracking AF
&gt; (more points, with better tracking
&gt; algorithm) there would be no problem

One problem comes because lenses often don&#039;t match cameras and critical focus is often not possible with the AF feature, especially with wider apertures and narrower DOFs. Particularly true for fine macros and astro, both areas of ridiculously critical focus (micro-focus adjustment is another desired feature.) Another comes because sometimes you MISS tracking because the subject gets out of frame.

&gt; also in your examples you are amazingly
&gt; optimistic about the subject wandering
&gt; into the bracketed focus

It&#039;ll work in some situations, and not in others. Just like every other camera technique we know. You&#039;ll have to plan an appropriate bracket and know what you&#039;re doing, and then the world will have to co-operate. I&#039;m not saying it&#039;ll fix all these situations, just that it will help address them.

&gt; about the astro example. you now have
&gt; a 920,000 dot screen on the back of the
&gt; camera. why would you waste many shots
&gt; through which you would need to sort
&gt; to find the correctly focused one when
&gt; you could just do critical manual focus,
&gt; and only have in focus shots?

Because in most astro situations, you can&#039;t SEE the stars; what shows up in a four second exposure is NOT what shows up in the viewfinder during live view. For instance, if I point my Ã†â€™/2.8 200mm at the sky, wide open AT Ã†â€™/2.8, it can&#039;t see stars at all (on the viewfinder.) I have to find a planet, AND, because of atmospheric wavering, it is STILL very difficult to achieve critical focus. This all also assumes I have a tripod built like a battleship, since I&#039;ll need 10x view to even try. Focus bracketing would let me get the shot if I could get close. Or at least improve it! As far as sorting thru them goes, that&#039;s not a problem, would take mere seconds. I have to do that now, because I have to make multiple tries at MF anyway. Nothing lost there.

&gt; [Explain:]
&gt;&gt; But with focus bracketing, you get multiples,
&gt;&gt; *and* they can extend to get the other contestant
&gt;&gt; as well

If you&#039;re using a narrow DOF, you might get the contestant nearer you, but not the one further away (or vice versa.) This is likely because narrow DOF = faster shots = wider aperture. Stopping martial arts takes *lots* of speed. If you were using focus bracketing, you could set the bracket wide enough to scan thru the area and shoot behind them, on the one in back, in between them, on the one in front, and in front them, too. This could catch you more action in more places, and also might catch them as they move (as a pair around the ring, also useful with wider DOF.) These would be as close in time as the camera&#039;s shooting rate would allow, and give you various focal depths for the action.

If you&#039;ve not tried to shoot dan-level martial arts, I can see how this might not make sense to you. As an instructor and a photographer, I can assure you it&#039;d be useful. You can&#039;t plan these kinds of shots -- the action is too fast to plan for. DOFs required vary wildly. As it is, I use camera automation (H/drive) and a much wider DOF than I want to, which in turn limits the ability to stop action. Compounding the problem is that these things occur in gyms that tend to be poorly lit, and flashes aren&#039;t a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; OK. It still takes time to adjust<br />
&gt; the focus and take multiple shots.<br />
&gt; so I do not agree with the usefulness</p>
<p>For small adjustments, focus can be changed in milliseconds, and it can be done while the previous image is being transferred. Remember, this doesn&#8217;t use the AF sensor &#8211; it&#8217;s a fixed set of steps ahead of calculated (or set) focus, thru there, and past. Or vice-versa. The speed of the camera won&#8217;t be focus limited, it&#8217;ll be limited to the rate the camera can snap. So you&#8217;re definitely wrong here. It&#8217;ll be just as fast, and therefore just as useful, as H/drive is. You&#8217;re not going to argue that H/drive is useless, are you? (smile)</p>
<p>&gt; furthermore, in those examples, if<br />
&gt; the camera had a good tracking AF<br />
&gt; (more points, with better tracking<br />
&gt; algorithm) there would be no problem</p>
<p>One problem comes because lenses often don&#8217;t match cameras and critical focus is often not possible with the AF feature, especially with wider apertures and narrower DOFs. Particularly true for fine macros and astro, both areas of ridiculously critical focus (micro-focus adjustment is another desired feature.) Another comes because sometimes you MISS tracking because the subject gets out of frame.</p>
<p>&gt; also in your examples you are amazingly<br />
&gt; optimistic about the subject wandering<br />
&gt; into the bracketed focus</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll work in some situations, and not in others. Just like every other camera technique we know. You&#8217;ll have to plan an appropriate bracket and know what you&#8217;re doing, and then the world will have to co-operate. I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;ll fix all these situations, just that it will help address them.</p>
<p>&gt; about the astro example. you now have<br />
&gt; a 920,000 dot screen on the back of the<br />
&gt; camera. why would you waste many shots<br />
&gt; through which you would need to sort<br />
&gt; to find the correctly focused one when<br />
&gt; you could just do critical manual focus,<br />
&gt; and only have in focus shots?</p>
<p>Because in most astro situations, you can&#8217;t SEE the stars; what shows up in a four second exposure is NOT what shows up in the viewfinder during live view. For instance, if I point my Ã†â€™/2.8 200mm at the sky, wide open AT Ã†â€™/2.8, it can&#8217;t see stars at all (on the viewfinder.) I have to find a planet, AND, because of atmospheric wavering, it is STILL very difficult to achieve critical focus. This all also assumes I have a tripod built like a battleship, since I&#8217;ll need 10x view to even try. Focus bracketing would let me get the shot if I could get close. Or at least improve it! As far as sorting thru them goes, that&#8217;s not a problem, would take mere seconds. I have to do that now, because I have to make multiple tries at MF anyway. Nothing lost there.</p>
<p>&gt; [Explain:]<br />
&gt;&gt; But with focus bracketing, you get multiples,<br />
&gt;&gt; *and* they can extend to get the other contestant<br />
&gt;&gt; as well</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re using a narrow DOF, you might get the contestant nearer you, but not the one further away (or vice versa.) This is likely because narrow DOF = faster shots = wider aperture. Stopping martial arts takes *lots* of speed. If you were using focus bracketing, you could set the bracket wide enough to scan thru the area and shoot behind them, on the one in back, in between them, on the one in front, and in front them, too. This could catch you more action in more places, and also might catch them as they move (as a pair around the ring, also useful with wider DOF.) These would be as close in time as the camera&#8217;s shooting rate would allow, and give you various focal depths for the action.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve not tried to shoot dan-level martial arts, I can see how this might not make sense to you. As an instructor and a photographer, I can assure you it&#8217;d be useful. You can&#8217;t plan these kinds of shots &#8212; the action is too fast to plan for. DOFs required vary wildly. As it is, I use camera automation (H/drive) and a much wider DOF than I want to, which in turn limits the ability to stop action. Compounding the problem is that these things occur in gyms that tend to be poorly lit, and flashes aren&#8217;t a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  It still takes time to adjust the focus and take multiple shots.  so I do not agree with the usefulness in all but the astro example.  furthermore, in those examples, if the camera had a good tracking AF (more points, with better tracking algorithm) there would be no problem.  also in your examples you are amazingly optimistic about the subject wandering into the bracketed focus.  about the astro example.  you now have a 920,000 dot screen on the back of the camera.  why would you waste many shots through which you would need to sort to find the correctly focused one when you could just do critical manual focus, and only have in focus shots?

also please explain this comment: But with focus bracketing, you get multiples, *and* they can extend to get the other contestant as well. I don&#039;t quite get what you&#039;re trying to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  It still takes time to adjust the focus and take multiple shots.  so I do not agree with the usefulness in all but the astro example.  furthermore, in those examples, if the camera had a good tracking AF (more points, with better tracking algorithm) there would be no problem.  also in your examples you are amazingly optimistic about the subject wandering into the bracketed focus.  about the astro example.  you now have a 920,000 dot screen on the back of the camera.  why would you waste many shots through which you would need to sort to find the correctly focused one when you could just do critical manual focus, and only have in focus shots?</p>
<p>also please explain this comment: But with focus bracketing, you get multiples, *and* they can extend to get the other contestant as well. I don&#8217;t quite get what you&#8217;re trying to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 23:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many uses for focus bracketing other than landscapes or focus stacking.

Here&#039;s one: Imagine you aim at a hawk, half-press, beep, full press. Ok, first of all, it takes you 30 ms to mentally process that beep and hit the shutter. The bird has moved. If the camera brackets the focus, it&#039;s more likely to catch the bird IN focus. Now, you can use a servo mode, where the camera is tracking the bird, however, if the bird moves out of the frame (they do tend to move erratically) then the camera will focus WAY off and when the bird comes back, may (a) fail to refocus or (b) miss the focus. If you *manually* get the right focus by half-press, you know you&#039;re close; focus bracketing can ensure that close == spot on.

Here&#039;s another. You&#039;re at a martial arts match. You focus on the near contestant; they&#039;re moving around like crazy. You shoot. You get one shot. But with focus bracketing, you get multiples, *and* they can extend to get the other contestant as well. Why this matters is because less DOF = wider aperture = faster shutter speed = those fast moving folks are better portrayed. So focus bracketing lets you shoot more action at higher speeds.

Here&#039;s another. You&#039;re shooting astro, trying to get critical focus on a star. That&#039;s *hard*, in case you&#039;ve never tried it. Most AF systems can&#039;t do it (neither my 40D or 50D can do it), and so mostly, this is done manually. The very finest focus bracketing plus and minus will see to it that you can actually GET critical focus.

I could really go on for quite a while; I *really* would like to see focus bracketing as a 60D feature. It&#039;d be a &quot;buy now&quot; flag for me.

Add in two or more point focus micro-adjust and I&#039;m yours, baby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many uses for focus bracketing other than landscapes or focus stacking.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s one: Imagine you aim at a hawk, half-press, beep, full press. Ok, first of all, it takes you 30 ms to mentally process that beep and hit the shutter. The bird has moved. If the camera brackets the focus, it&#8217;s more likely to catch the bird IN focus. Now, you can use a servo mode, where the camera is tracking the bird, however, if the bird moves out of the frame (they do tend to move erratically) then the camera will focus WAY off and when the bird comes back, may (a) fail to refocus or (b) miss the focus. If you *manually* get the right focus by half-press, you know you&#8217;re close; focus bracketing can ensure that close == spot on.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another. You&#8217;re at a martial arts match. You focus on the near contestant; they&#8217;re moving around like crazy. You shoot. You get one shot. But with focus bracketing, you get multiples, *and* they can extend to get the other contestant as well. Why this matters is because less DOF = wider aperture = faster shutter speed = those fast moving folks are better portrayed. So focus bracketing lets you shoot more action at higher speeds.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another. You&#8217;re shooting astro, trying to get critical focus on a star. That&#8217;s *hard*, in case you&#8217;ve never tried it. Most AF systems can&#8217;t do it (neither my 40D or 50D can do it), and so mostly, this is done manually. The very finest focus bracketing plus and minus will see to it that you can actually GET critical focus.</p>
<p>I could really go on for quite a while; I *really* would like to see focus bracketing as a 60D feature. It&#8217;d be a &#8220;buy now&#8221; flag for me.</p>
<p>Add in two or more point focus micro-adjust and I&#8217;m yours, baby.</p>
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