7D & Lens Pictures [CR3]
August 28th, 2009 Posted in Canon 7D, Canon Lenses
7D Poster?
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM & 18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS
15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM
15-85 MTF Chart
18-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS
18-135 MTF Chart
I guess we can call these lenses CR3 now.
Forum: http://www.canonrumorsforum.com/index.php?topic=130.0
thanks to my sources!
cr
August 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
I think that one should be a poster. XDD
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Canon guy Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
FOR SALE!!!
Anyone interested in buying my 40D… …cheap? I’ll keep my 50D around for a while, but it looks like it will be a back-up now.
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Tony Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
How much do you want for it…condition?
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Canon guy Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
I was half joking, but I will be selling it. It is in excellent condition, and I just had it cleaned. Come to think of it, I bought the accidental damage – replacement protection. I sure hope there isn’t an accident. That would be a shame, particularly if they have to give me a 50D instead. wink wink.
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Canon guy Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I was able to sharpen the image and make out the box on the bottom row, second from the left. The Chinese translation is “Dual Direct Print Buttons”
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Can't Wait for the Direct Print buttons Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
One for each hand!!!!!!
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Direct print button jokes! Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
More! I can’t get enough of them!
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Cody Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
How cheap are you talking about? :-P
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Well this is cool. I still can’t see anything about the sensor on the box. Then again, I cannot read Japanese. :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
It is Chinese
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maxxevv Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
The box says:
i) 18Mp
ii) 100% viewfinder
iii) 8 frames / second
iv) Digic IV
v) 19 pt AF
vi) 3 inch LCD
vii) ISO 6400
viii)Video
ix) “Real Time Display” which probably is LiveView
x) What looks like “artificial horizon tilt”
And another 2 items which I cannot make out. One of them looks like “zone metering” … ?
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I read Japanese, not Chinese, which is still good for recognizing short/simple worlds.
That said, it looks like it says dual DIGIC 4.
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Mac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
yes, it does say Dual Digi 4
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 7:09 am
It’s Chinese
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Digic 4?!?
and 6400 ISO?
something is not right..
But i would love to sell 19AF, and 100% viewfinders.
18MP? why not~!
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someone Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
because that means too much noise… besides most people really don’t need that much pixels and most lenses won’t to come close to that resolution as the 7D is a crop camera and not a FF
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Bingo. 18MP on APS-C is way too dense. Some reviewers didn’t think the 50D was that great an improvement over the 40D for the same reason. Higher resolution, sure, but higher noise too, and the kit lens isn’t good enough to make the extra resolution mean much anyway.
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Bogdan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Not really. Better sensor resolution means better sensor resolution, period. All lenses, both great and poor, will profit from this resolution increase.
As for the noise, it may be bigger at pixel level (100% crop) but at image level it will be at least the same as previous cameras (probably better).
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Your statement that all lenses profit from higher sensor resolution makes no sense to me. The issue isn’t the lens or the sensor alone but the combination of the two. If a given lens (say, a cheap zoom) isn’t all that sharp, then increasing the resolution of the sensor beyond the level needed to get all the detail the lens is capable of providing does not make the picture better, it just makes the lens’s lack of sharpness more obvious in a 100% crop.
As for noise, there is a definite relationship between the color accuracy of an individual sensor site (which is the opposite of the noise level, basically) and the size of that site. The smaller the site (that is, the more MP crammed into a sensor of a given size), the less accurate its color reception, and hence the more noise in the image. This can be quite noticeable in images even without resorting to 100% crops, especially in low-light situations.
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Scott Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
What you said about resolution isn’t true. Oversampling will bear out more resolution, which is why for example, any lens on a 50D will outresolve the 40D with same lens, even if it’s a POS lens like the 75-300 III. I’m not saying I really want 18MP on a crop, as we’re into diminishing returns at this point, but it will still outresolve any other APS-C, that’s forsure. I personally would have preferred 12MP, 12FPS or 10MP 14FPS instead, but I guess we’ll see what happens.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I’m not denying the value of oversampling, I’m just saying there is a practical limit, though you improved on what I said by pointing out that it’s a matter of diminishing returns. If your lens can resolve X horizontal lines, having a sensor with 2X vertical resolution is worthwhile, but when it gets to 8x you may not be getting much for the extra cost, and you’ll be paying for it not only in financial terms (more expensive sensor) but also in higher noise levels.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
true, but the practical limit is higher than most people think. Every single lens tested on a 15MP 50D provided noticeably more detail than on a 10MP 40D.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
There is a practical limit, but I think we’re still a ways from it. Say, for example, 15MP was the resolving capability of a lens (this is too low for L glass but perhaps about right for cheaper glass.) To oversample by 2x, which is probably about the useful limit, you would need to quadruple the resolution of the sensor, or have 60MP. Even if 8MP was the limit, resolutions up to 32MP would be useful. Like I said, we’re still a ways from it.
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Bogdan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
System resolution is a result of both lens resolution and sensor resolution.
Better sensor resolution means better system resolution, period. You go from 12Mpix to 21Mpix, you gain resolution, as simple as that. You might not see it if you peep at your images at 100% crop on screen, but if you downsample the bigger image it will look sharper and more detailed yhan the other at 100% crop. So if you upgrade your camera you don’ necessarily have to upgrade your lenses, on the contrary, upgrading the sensor is a good way of getting more resolution from cheap lenses.
Simple example:
The Canon 17-85 IS at 17mm wide open on the extreme borders, a lens well known for being quite poor under these conditions:
on 8 Mpix system resolution is 1315 l/ph
on 15 Mpix system resolution is 1736 l/ph
so you get 32% more resoltuion from that lens by putting a sensor with 36% better linear resolution. I’d say it’s fair enough.
There are diminishing returns, but they are diminishing very slowly. We’ll see 100Mpix APS-C cameras and they’ll give better IQ than 50Mpix APS-C cameras.
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Ed Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
No, problem is Legacy lenses can resolve more lines than consumer lenses, this means that consumer lenses aren´t able to get the most of high resolution sensors (5D MKII, 1Ds MKIII, 50D, T1i)and thus the sensors outresolve the lenses, this problem was present when the Canon EOS 1DS MKII was introduced several photographers noticed that the only way to get the most of the 16 megapixel sensor of the 1Ds MKII was to actually use lenses that were able to resolve the resolution the sensor had and it was only a handful of primes and L lenses that could match the resolution of the camera, today the problem is even bigger.
Nikon did take this into account and launched 3 new legacy lenses: 14-24mm f/2.8, 24-70mm f/2.8, 70-200mm f/2.8 VRII because the older lenses barely could match the resolution of the new sensors.
That´s why also the most common suggestion in photo forums is to get good glass and later to buy a top of the line camera body, a 5D MKII with a 28-135mm will give you poorer IQ compared to a 5D MKII witha a 24-70mm f/2.8 L.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
although a 5d2 with a 28-135 will give you more overall picture detail than a 40D with a 17-55 IS and a 5D2 with a 70-300 IS at 300 will give more detail than a 40D with a 300 2.8 IS.
But yeah, if you want to truly take full advantage of the sensor, a 5D2 and a 7D need much better glass than say a 5D or a 10D!
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What in the world is a new legacy lens? That’s an oxymoron.
And there’s no reason why a lens made for a legacy system would resolve categorically better than a lens for a current system. Are you confusing the meaning of ‘L’ in Canon’s lens nomenclature?
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Ed Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
In Canon´s acronyms system L stands for “Legacy” if you didn´t knew ;). The one that´s confused is you.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
What’s your source for that? I wasn’t aware that there was an official, publicly-revealed meaning for the L.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I was under the impression that the ‘L’ stood for ‘Luxury’.
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Richard Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Ed, you’re the confused one. L stands for Luxury.
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Speculator Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I’m sorry, I must have missed where it says APS-C on that poster. This is still speculative, so the 18mp might actually be an improvement to the 21mp sensor.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Possibly, but there was a CR3 report here on CR two days ago that stated specifically that the 7D was APS-C. We’ll just have to wait and see.
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&REW Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
If you look at the lens mounted, though blurry, it appears to be an EF-S.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:56 am
“19″ — that means 19 selectable focus points?? like 1d mark III?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am
It says cross type too
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
What would the 63 denote? And what about the 3rd box from the left on the bottom. In camera IS?
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Seraph84 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Nope! Digital horizon is my guess… like in the Pentax K-7
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Yeah, looks like it. GREAT, now that I have bought a flash shoe mounted level :-)
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Zac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
63 is 63 zone metering like in current mk III bodies
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:05 am
I think you’re right. The 50D is 6.3 fps, but the graphic looks like a meter grid.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
The IS probably refers to the lens included in the kit.
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yarrayering Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am
I think it reads 6.3
6.3 mp maybe?
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
No, MP is clearly labeled as 18 (first box)
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
also.. it’s not even Japanese..
it’s Chinese….
There is no way i would trust Chinese box… :)
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Joseph Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:59 am
It’s Korean…
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Joseph Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
My mistake – I originally read this on a Korean page.. The text in the images does look like Chinese.
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Price is Right.. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
haha you wish it’s Korean..
I am Korean.. I believe I am pretty sure how Korean looks like..
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Price is Right.. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
did you see it from SLRCLUB?
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Joseph Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
That’s where I saw it
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
63?? matrix exposure?
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
7D
18 MP
Dual Digic 4
8 fps
19 AF points
ISO 6400
3 in LCD
Video
guessing APS-C from the lens.
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Somebody Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I guess the lens is 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM.
I have read a larger version of this picture
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max Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
if you amplify the pictures it says ultrasonic on the top right (or the closest line to the mount)
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Zac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am
where do u see dual for the DIgic 4? where do u see the resolution on the box?
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J Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:37 am
The chinese character above the Digic 4 means dual. Also the character in Japanese means “futa” which is also means two.
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am
If those are the specs I want it now.
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Noooo!!!! Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
18mp APS-C, 6400 ISO is that maximum ISO???? Now I have to wait longer to replace my 40D.
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:58 am
…Looks like 8 fps, too
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:59 am
So… on the box is says…
18MP, 19 AF points, 6400 ISO, 8 FPS, 3″ LCD..
Good Stuff!
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David Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
MATH GURUS…
who can figure out what an 18 MP APS-C would be in FF??? Maybe that’s a 1Ds4 clue?
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
18x(1.6)^2 = around 46MP or thereabouts…
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
oh, forgot to write, 100% viewfinder coverage
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:00 am
@Rhett: I’m pretty sure the box you mention denotes the “virtual horizon” functionality as it is known from the Nikons D700 and D300s. See there: http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/microsite/d300s/en/operability/#n2
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
would be a real D300 killer depending on the price.
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Survivor Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
That is the real kicker. From the specs, I am starting to believe that the Best Buy rumored price might be true, which puts it well out of the D300S price range.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
nah BB was $2700 that is way too high for this!
This is probably a better camera than the 300S but no way $1000 better, no way!
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The Wallbanger Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
The box in the photo shows everything but a price tag.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am
DuckweedDillweed dixkhead!
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
also Full HD
Tell me, where on this poster/box does it say 18 MP. I only see 1800.. (dont know what that should mean)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:38 am
It is the way they write 18mp in Chinese
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
That is correct. It means 1,800 x 10,000 pixels in Chinese. That gives us 18Mp.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Whereas the standard units of large numbers in the West is thousands/millions/billions (and thus MP), in Japan/China it is 10 thousand (called man in Japanese, I don’t know Chinese) and 100 million (called oku in Japanese). So the resolution is 1800 man pixels.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I wanted this thing to be +10 FPS Soooooooo bad.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:05 am
18MP on a crop sensor? I can’t say I’m thrilled.
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Me too, I was hoping that 8 was the MP count! Why do camera manufacturers keep giving us more and more and more?? We don’t need it!
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Hmm Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
For me 8 would have been too low.. I’d have been happy with a solid 12MP sensor.
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Me too, for sure . . . the more I look at the D300s and its 12mp, the more I’m seriously considering switching. I was just saying that I’d prefer 8 to 18 =)
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Hmm Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Yeah, I can’t argue with you there.
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Steve S Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Agree completely. If 6400 is the max ISO (with extension) then this is a waste of time. I’d like to see 12 MP in full frame with the new sensor improvements (larger sites, better lenses). That would probably get us 2 or 3 real stops of noise improvement with file sizes small enough for 8+ fps. THAT would be a camera I’d buy in a heartbeat.
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janisfarm Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I totaly agree with you….
just another APS-C sencor with a price biger than 50D….
I just wasted my time waiting one year for this camera…
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Stop crying like a baby and wait to see some test results. 18MP doesn’t mean it’s going to be crap.
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Ted Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:56 am
It means that your SRAW1 (or is it SRAW2?) will be 9MP, which is a pretty useful number of pixels.
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
can’t wait to see what diffraction does to your images with that many pixels…. you’ll have diffraction creeping in as soon as you start stopping down…. ugh… this is why I switched to FF (5D classic) after trying the 50D
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Diffraction has nothing to do with the resolution of the sensor… it’s about aperture and light wavelength.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
It certainly does, diffraction limits the smallest possible circle of confusion, so smaller pixels will have a larger limiting aperture.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Of course that doesn’t reduce the amount of detail the lens resolves, if that’s actually what you were referring to.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Yes. The CoC concept assumes that you use certain variables defined (e.g. magnification of the “negative” and viewing distance). These assumptions are washed away when viewing 100% on the monitor.
ms’ post show just how most uneducated people thinks. If you have disturbing diffraction at let say f8, there is nothing the resolution of the sensor can do anything about, diffraction can’t be avoided.
Ofc a low resolution sensor may not detect it but in the end (the final image) the higher resolution sensor will not show it either (keeping the CoC constant)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Cunt lick
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
If this is real than i’m pretty excited. But i’m worried about the 18 MP if it’s 1.6 crop…
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:00 am
worried at best… I’m scared if it’s 1.6
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
It says 1800万… which is in Chinese/Japanese how they refer to megapixels. ^^
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Gws Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
It’s read ‘wan’ which means 10,000.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:07 am
From my limited chinese:
100% viewfinder
18million effective pixels (1800 x 10,000)
dual digic 4
8 fps
the rest are either self explanatory or words not legible.
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Joe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:09 am
19 AF points ALL CROSS TYPE
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Right the character for ten can also mean cross
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am
just one question: why I cannot see the gold strip on the 2 lens ?
does that mean they won’t be usm ? then it’s a big step backward from the 17-85
am I wrong ?
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
+1. WTF?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
I agree the lenses look super crappy
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Yep, that was my first though. I’ll be sticking with my 17-85
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
The 15-85 is USM. Take a look at the image. The 18-135 is not.
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William Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am
well it says USM at the end of the 15-85 ;)
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Where’s the M-Fn button gone?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Flash?
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Good call both of you!
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
exactly, wondering myself!
maybe that other leak was from the 60D?
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:09 am
18mp? And everyone whinges about the 50D having 15. I guess this means it’s effectively a 9mp sensor (you’re supposed to use sRaw).
Looks good, although I’ll wait until it’s official before I make any judgements on it.
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Why use sRaw?
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Good question, sRAW doesn’t even give you as much resolution as a RAW downsampled in post.
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Zac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:55 am
yeah why use sRAW, it doesnt make the sensor any less noisy…
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Ted Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
OK, buy more memory cards, then.
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
sRAW tends to looks less noisy b/c you loose some of the noise pixels as your bind down to the lower resolutions… its a common way to pull extra sensitivity out of a sensor at the cost of resolutions… so might in effect get a supper 20D at sRAW or crank up the resolution and use it at low ISO (though you’ll still have problems with diffraction).
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I use my 5D2 on sRAW fairly often because it offers a far less noisy image, at least for computer-viewing usages.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Does anyone see anything about flash commander?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Never mind the flash commander.. I don’t even see a pop-up flash.
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Matt Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
The shape of the pentaprism looks like a 40D or 50D. But you are right, I don’t see a gap where the flash should be.
Maybe the flash commander is RF?!
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You are posting comments too fast wtf? Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I don’t know that an RF flash commander is possible as the current flash generation uses IR for communication.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
isnt tt fake! zoom in and see it! is real fake!
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Well I’m sure the poster’s real, whether the information on it is real is a question for the conspiracy nuts.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:16 am
You guys think it’s the standard 9 af points in the diamond pattern, 6 hidden in the center like the mk2, and perhaps 4 on the corners to make a box instead of diamond? That would make rule of thirds focusing so much easier. I’d also bet on all selectable points being cross-type.
This is going to be awesome, but I would imagine they’ll charge more than $2k for it, and because it’s probably aps-c, I won’t regret just having bought the mk2 :)
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I pray. That would be awesome. It would have better AF than a 1D2 then, same frame rate.
What I fear is that it is per the early rumors though, the 1D4 AF but with ALL helper points removed. Which would be a serious crippling for tracking ability once again. And if it has no adjustments to AF it might be even touchier/jumpier than a 40D/50D! So I really hope they were smart and left the helper ring around the center point even if they got rid of the fancy helper rings for more outer points (which can allow for better sports composition and make 1 series better).
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Gosh, the higher the CR-rate gets, the more I got a feeling like a huge mountain is going to bear a little tiny mouse. A kind of disappointment for the serious DSLR-users …
Next week we will see …
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Especially those lenses. Yuk!
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William Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
hahahah canon wants to go out of business with a bang.. so far they are doing a great job !
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Cuntbreath
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Why would you use sRaw?
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Tom Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I use it on a trip with5DII
Raw for Landscape I want to print
sRaw 1 for what I don’t want to print
sRaw 2 for my girlfriend
Ha Ha Ha
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Girlfriend is an idiot to hang around your stupidity
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
(As per above…)
I use my 5D2 on sRAW fairly often because it offers a far less noisy image, at least for computer-viewing usages.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Of course it’s going to be less noisy at pixel level on a computer screen…
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:22 am
I don’t believe that this box is real.
Two reasons:
1st) The product would be available before it was announced.
2nd) The camera is not shown in full and canon has not done that ever with its DSLR-cameras so far.
In short: hoax.
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KJ Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
I think we can all agree this is a hoax.
Significant box style departure and poor timing
The specs seem at least plausable though
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Seraph84 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The picture doesn’t show a box! Thats pretty obvious imho…
It seems more like a Poster!
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viknet Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
+1 for it beeing a poster and not photoshopped afterwards, but might also be a fake photoshoped poster, made either from real spec from canon and old 50D (or other) picture :=)
(or completely guessed feature)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I don’t think it’s a hoax. I believe that this is a poster of some sort. Like the kind you would place i a shop window or something. If you look at the egde where the side meets the top (if it were a box), you’ll see that it is very rounded with no cuts to make an opening. Also: You can see that the image repeats itself on the right side. Not something you would see on a box… But the camera and specs are real, I think.
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
This isn’t a box.. It’s obviously a poster.
I am starting to think that it’s a hoax though.
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Joe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am
This is supposidly from a CR3, aside from it not being the typical box, does it appear to be a hoax? I would think if it was a hoax, they would not have gone with a 18mp sensor, given all the chatter?
Can anyone read the chinese and translate?
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I’m beginning to lean more towards it being authentic, but my thoughts for it being a fake were:
-18MP on a crop sensor sounds ridiculous.
-The body doesn’t appear to have the same top plate as was leaked a while back
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
the top plate was never confirmed as a 7D, it could have been the 60D
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Yeah, it sure could have been. The other picture though (with the 7D emblem) did show a button for a pop-up flash though.
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Ben Schiendelman Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Unless Canon doesn’t intend to keep their amateur shooting features, the top we saw was not for the 60D.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:23 am
In chinese it means 1800 x 10000 effective pixels = 18 megapixels.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:26 am
This is not a box, it is most probably a Chinese traditional poster for the Hong Kong market. I did remember the Nikon D5000 poster appearing days after it’s release, so I don’t see why this is not real. :)
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Allan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I was thinking it looked more like a poster than a box as well.
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RL Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Oops I realised it is Chinese simplified. Which means China market.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Hong kong usually has english on the box too
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
It seems that it has 19AF points, virtual horizon and some other cool/new stuff, possibly including 100% viewfinder. Sweet, seems like D300 targeted camera, which is a great thing, who knows, I might even buy one.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
7D
18 MP
Dual Digic 4
8 fps
19 AF points all cross type
ISO 6400
3 in LCD
Video
APs-C
Electronic leveler
63 zone metering
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Bart Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am
correction: 68 zone metering (8×6)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:34 am
what is zone metering?
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Bart Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Correction2:
63 was right (9×7)
Eos 50D/5D 35zones
zone metering:
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/EOS-1n/metering/index.htm
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
The lenses don’t really fit into the current EF-S finish style… maybe cuz they’re pre-production??
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Or they are cheap crap lenses
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Alan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
It actually does…the zoom ring on both new lenses (if they are real stuffs not hoax) looks exactly like the one on the 18-55mm IS and 18-200mm IS.
What I don’t understand is the group of words under “15-85″ on the back half of the barrel – the first word looks really like “Ultrasonic”, but the gold strip is not there on the front of the barrel. Also, the arangement of the words on the barrel does seem unusual for a Canon lens.
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Lindsay Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Could be Micro-USM
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Pure idiots
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Forget above reply ;-(
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:34 am
there are 12 icons on the poster, left to right:
1 – 18mpix
2 – dual diginc 4
3 – 8 fps
4 – 19 af points
5 – iso 6400 max
6 – 63 metering zones
7 – 100% viewfinder
8 – ???????????
9 – electronic level
10 – 3 inch LCD
11 – video
12 – ???????????
Who can get 8 and 12?
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Rich Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:41 am
8 is intelligent something (optics or viewfinder)
12 is liveview
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I guess 8 is something to do with the viewfinder because it has the same box icon around it
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cannonball Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
8 – “smart” optical viewfinder (i can’t read the fine print inside the box)
10 – it says “LCD II” (OLED?)
12 – Live view
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Dv Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
8 – eye control?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
smart as in dynamic crop!
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Dv Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
From what to what?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
FF to APS-C
FF @ 8 fps and 18MP
APS-C @ 18 fps and around 8MP
Which makes it the best sports camera around ànd keeps the iso clean.
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moreanonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
hah, no way. Not that everyone would not be ecstatic if that were the case but i believe you are reading way more into the box than what it says!
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
8MP APs-C is about 21mp FF, not 18…though this would justify a 5D MKII price but not the lower naming (7D)…. I fear that Canon really did just cram even more pixels into an APS-C sensor… and here we thought they learned with the G11… oh well, maybe in another year or two…
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
OMG I just realised it is 100% viewfinder coverage.
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MarkusW Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
It was about time Canon gives us a 100% viewfinder, don’t you think?
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I liked yesterday’s specs better, but who knows what tomorrow will bring?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am
You would dixkhead
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I see 100%, but is that the viewfinder or the SENSOR??
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Interesting question. But that would be way too good to be true.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Can a 18mp crop have even compare to the full frame 5d ii as far as iso goes and noice? Has there been that much of an advancement in sensor tech in a year or maybe the chatter about the improved iso of this model is not right?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Toilet mouth
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Where is the POP UP FLASH?
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am
if you notice the 7 and the body start to repeat with no seam.
That would either be one poorly designed box for an incredibly wide camera, or it is a poster that has been printed two up and not yet cut.
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Bored Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
It is a poster… Read bellow the picture.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Finally a brain used
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Is there anything on the box indicating sensor size? Can anyone translate the chinese, etc?
If this is a FF it certainly will cost more than the 5d ii. If a 1.6 maybe under $2,000?
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Rich Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
It is definitely an EF-S camera because you can see the 15-85 IS USM lens mounted on it.
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Tom Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
+1
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Someone used a brain today
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am
If the 7D is speced as a high-end “pro” crop, then that 15-85 might just be a reaaaaly sweet lens. The 18-135 NOT being USM is a bummer. But that 15-85?!?! hooo-boy. Bring it on!
Does it also say the VF is 100%? Hope it’s pentaprism! And 19af — if all cross type. Very nice.
Side note — those two lenses are EFS, and if the 7D is crop (of course, given the association with the lenses), then Canon is clearly putting more money into the mid-range. I wouldn’t think “FF for everyone” is quite on their horizon just yet, given this investment.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Excellent point about the mid-range.
No $2K FF in the next 3 years for sure.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Awww man. this specs shld be on the 60D instead. give us a better cam in the XD range
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Agreed!
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:24 am
+2
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Real Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
100% true, 60d labeled as a single digit camera wtf?
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Allan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Might be that this *will* be the “60D”, but that they decided to rename that line for fear of people getting confused between the Nikon D60 and Canon 60D. Like “Canon 60D? I’ve heard that’s a crappy low-end camera that can’t even autofocus with most lenses. I’ll get this Nikon D90 instead.”
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Not ‘might be’ – this *is* the 60D.
Moved up a level in both specs & price.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
60D isn’t going to get 19 cross type AF points sorry.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
i think this is not a hoax poster. Believe it or not. Canon built a camera that for prosumer-sports. Advantage only is the 19AF point. 5d mark ii for prosumer-studio/landscape.
Definetely dont hold your money, just buy 5dmk2
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
The poster shows two 7-series cameras – maybe there will be a 7D (speed demon) and a 7Ds (affordable FF)?
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haha Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
then wont canon name it as a totally different name?? It doesnt make sense to come up with such a marketing plot.. we would even be more confused with the models
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Wishful thinking%Pr
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Thats a Nikon naming system and I don’t ever see Canon repeating it… they just give a new name rather than adding an S or something else
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Allan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Counterpoint: 1D, 1Ds. 1D Mk II, 1Ds Mk II. 1D Mk III, 1Ds Mk III.
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
hmmm… can’t believe I didn’t think of that… still seems a bit strange to me outside of the 1D series but yea, I guess that would make it plausible
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Aah. The ‘affordable FF’ dream.
My advice – by a 5DII or a Sony A850.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Another ficking idiot
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I hope they really have high ISO performance under control if the 18MP is true. Everything else looks fine for me. I had always wanted an artificial horizon since I have a nasty tendency to slightly mess up landscape shots by minor tilting.
If it now ends up being <=1800€, I am in.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Well if it is real (and I’m not sure it is) it’s fairly similer to the posters/material canon give to shops to put up as promotional junk.
None of the specks seem too unbelievable except the 18 mp, which worries me a bit, if it’s true… this camera really can’t be a 1.6 crop… for all their mistakes even canon know better then that, unless they have some other break through that defies quantum physics.
Alternatively it could be full frame or 1.3, and the new rumored ef-s lenses to be launched with it are not targeted at the 7d market but rather for the new rumored xxxxd camera that may be launched, which would also explain why they aren’t usm? does that sound possible to anyone?
My own sources assured me that this camera would not be full frame, and he’s pretty reliable, how ever if canon do change something fairly last minute (like they did with the 5d mk2) then he can be off by a few points.
I’m hoping against hope this camera is full frame… I wouldn’t even care if it cost more then the 5d II if the rest of the specks are accurate.
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Well the lens on the poster clearly reads as an “EF-S”…
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:54 am
The 15-85 is USM. Also, I’d assume the 18-135 is a higher quality lens than the 18-200, otherwise what’s the point. So, my read (or guess) is that a couple of high quality EFS lenses to support a brand new EFS camera. In the chinese translated page on the lens specs (see the canonrumors forum link), it talks about using the new 18-135 for sports. That would mean speed, so I’m assuming coupled with a fast shooter like the 7d.
Just some thoughts. I suppose we’ll all know in just a couple of days.
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I can’t imagine using anything less that an F/2.8 aperture for sports…
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
I agree with that, but I’m only spitting back what the text says.
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Darn. The MTF charts don’t look any better than their existing lenses. 15-85 doesn’t look any better than 17-85 and 18-135 not any better than 18-200 (in which case, why does this lens exist?)
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
what if its a foveon type sensor so that its 18mpx extrapolated but natively 6mpx? That would be a smarted move and give great hi ISO performance rather than doing their usual sensor in an even more cramped version
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:48 am
18 MP… disappointing to say the least. What happened to Canon’s so-called renewed focus on image quality??
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
hard to believe that they could screw it up again if it’s true… thinking of the 50D here. We could forgive the 50D since it’s a xxD, but screwing up a xD on MP doesn’t sound right to me.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
That’s my only hope too.
Can’t imagine that Canon would be stupid enough to put a noisy 18mp sensor on a ~$2K camera.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Brown eyes today
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flyingmonkey Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Yeah, I’m with you on this. I’ll hold off till I see real tests, but I’m not too optimistic about image quality (especially noise and color range at high ISOs).
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I still don’t believe a one-digit-D will ever have a crop sensor.
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haha Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:49 am
second tt
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:51 am
The 1D already has.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I guess he meant 1.6 crop
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MarkusW Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
You mean the 1D _HAD_. That was yesterday. And yes, I meant 1.6 crop. 1.3 crop would still be reasonable with 18 MP, but I don’t think, Canon will re-introduce 1.3 crops again.
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:55 am
So the 1d having a crop sensor for the last 8 years doesnt disuade you at all from that statement then?
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haha Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
the future… not looking back at pass releases
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Clown. The 1D has a crop sensor.
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MarkusW Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
That 1D you mean is PAST, and, if at all, PRESENT. It is NOT the future.
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MarkusW Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Maybe I should correct myself slightly, but substantially: “I still don’t believe a one-digit-D _should_ ever have a crop sensor”. But after some reflection, I think this one WILL have one. Why? If one of the icons on the box really means 8fps and the processor is a Digic 4, i’m pretty sure it’s not possible this sensor is anything but a 1.6 crop because i don’t think the Digic 4 can make 8fps on 18MP full frame sensors. What do you think?
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
What does 1.3,1.6, FF have to do with speed? A CPU doesn’t care a whit where it gets data from, just how much it is sent. 8fps by 18MP takes the same CPU power to process whether it comes from a tiny P&S sensor or a MF camera.
That said, look at it, it is not FF though.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I don’t think it matters whether it’s a crop or not in terms of the (dual) Digic 4 handling 8FPS. What matters is the bandwidth, which is dictated by the resolution and bit depth. The physical area in which those pixels is spread does not matter.
Now it is easier to make a faster crop camera, but that’s because the mirror assembly is smaller (and therefore less travel distance and less mass,) but this has nothing to do with the capabilities of the processing chip.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Keep diluding yourself
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:49 am
[...] site Canon Rumors postou uma foto de um suposto poster escrito em chinês com as características da Canon 7D. Já [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I guess there’s nothing on the poster that indicates crop or fullframe?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Definitely 1.6 crop because of the EF-S 15-85 mounted on it.
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Nogginthenog Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Its got an EF-S lens mounted on it.
I think that tells you what it is.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
dynamic crop, they changed the mirror and it doesn’t hit a backfocusing EF-S lens anymore
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Right. And you also get a 60% viewfinder coverage ;)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
not with dynamic viewfinder magnification, just needs some optics in there
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
18 mp is way to mutch. If It’s true, again they are sacrificing picture quality for MP. That would be It. I would switch boat
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
What if it where FF? Or APS-H?
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:24 am
The viewfinder would be TINY.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I still hope it’s APS-H with mountable EF-S (to explain the picture on the poster)… is it ok to dream out loud !?
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
If this is real and it’s aps-c, it looks like a bummer to me. Even if the noise control is ok, 18mp seems more like a useless marketing decision. Not what I’m looking for. I want a solid camera. If there’s more marketing motivation in this thing than real performance, major mistake by Canon.
Maybe there’s still hope for aps-h or ff!
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
What’s wrin with high MP as long as noise is under control?
You can still shoot sRAW, or resample your images at home. It works.
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
You still sacrifice dynamic range, and noise reduction smears out the details. Not to mention that there will basically be no zoom lenses that can keep up with it anymore.
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
So how come an EOS 50D gives lower noise at 15MP than a 10D at 6MP?
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Tom Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
+5
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
to notice that, you must actually handle real cameras and take pictures with it. as some of us forget to do, and base our opinions solely upon the opinions of others (at DPR, etc.)
I’ve always said I’d upgrade from my 30D to the 50D even just for the image quality, let alone the rest of the specs.
just so happens that, by the time I save up the money, now there’s all the talk of the 60D and 7D… I’ll wait to see both before deciding I guess, as the 30D ain’t broke yet
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
The argument that noise reduction smears out the details and therefore lower resolution is better is vacant. With a lower resolution that detail isn’t there in the first place!
I thought the MP-race was stupid, but also the backlash is equally inane. People need to stop pixel peeping or at least understand what it is that they are looking at.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
it’s certainly a 1.6.
there is the new EFs 15-85mm on it, and the prismbox is too small for ff…
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Other reasons it’s likely EFS
100% viewfinder. Why is this chest-beating if you are FF. This is a boast if you are crop.
18MP, 8FPS, HD Video, 19 cross-type AF. Wouldn’t this gut demand for the 5D mkii?
TWO (not just one) new EFS lenses.
Its got to be crop
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Good points lad.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
or it has a lens inside the viewfinder to magnify the image from the pentaprism…keeps the possibility for a dynamic crop
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
If they are advertising an iso 6400 for this camera, canon must think it has improved the noice control since the standard setting for the 50d is 3200?
Could this really have comparable noise levels to the 5d ii at 18mp? Or is this just a sci-fi dream?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am
A dream most likely.
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flyingmonkey Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Agree. A dream. Similar claims were floated when the 50D arrived, and though its noise is respectable for 15MP, it can’t match the cleaner performance of 10-12MP. 18 MP is probably just a further step in the wrong direction. Sigh…
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Ted Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
When they advertise the ISO is it normally the value before or after the ISO boost? For example, the 40D goes to ISO 1600, but “H” mode is ISO 3200. Would they stick “ISO 1600″ or “ISO 3200″ on the box/poster?
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Good question. On one hand, I would think marketers would want to post the higher (boosted) number. On the other hand, boosted ISO recently has been reaching truly huge levels (ISO 25600 anyone?) so 6400 seems pretty pedestrian if it were boosted. We’ll have to wait and see of course (besides, the numbers are meaningless until we see what quality at those ISOs are anyway.)
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
A dream for SNR! It has like 2.5 times less surface area how to make up for that?!
But if they fixed up read electronics and banding perhaps it could beat the dynamic range of the 5D2 or at least match it. That could be possible.
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August 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Can anyone read what it says under the little video camera icon? Is there anything there about, um
MANUAL VIDEO CONTROL?
Because that’s kind of a biggie
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cannonball Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:02 am
EOS Movie
Full HD
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:00 am
the new 15-85 means that they will discontinue the 17-85?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Hopefully.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:07 am
It’s 8 MP and 18 FPS!!!!
You are all lost in translation with the 18 mp and 8fps version!!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I hope so.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Why is there two zeros after the 18 then?
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:22 am
haha 18 million FPS
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Chinese use a unit of 10,000 instead us who use a unit of 1,000,000.
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haha Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am
how on earth is 18fps going to happen.. can the mirror even move at such a speed i doubt with todays technology
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Mirrors don’t move when shooting bursts, only the curtain does.
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Ted Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Oh yes they do. That’s how the AF tracking works while burst shooting. Some of the recent Nikons keep the mirror up to get a faster burst rate, but they lose AF tracking when they do this.
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Blake Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
If that was true, the viewfinder would go dark and you’d have no idea what you’re shooting past the 2nd/3rd shot.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
It’s not.
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Jeff Conway Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am
You’re basing this on what exactly?
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Too bad I read Chinese and it’s really 18 MP and 8 fps.
Sigh… shocking…
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am
it’s amusing what people can talk themselves into believing though
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am
At least wait for the camera to be reviewed by someone. Funny how so many people here think they know more than Canon engineers what an APS-C sized sensor is capable of.
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James Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
+1
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max Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
true, but i kinda wanted it to go down or at least stay at 15, the less pixels the better… lets say they get a really good image at 18, if the lower it to 15 with the same technology the pixels get bigger and there should be even less errors.
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
You could still resize your images which will also reduce noise.
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I think DPR did a post on this. Based on their tests, it’s not as effective as it sounds.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
+10
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Heh Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Maybe Canon has developed some incredible new technology that will completely rewrite conventional wisdom about sensor density’s directional proportional relationship to electronic noise.
That or they’re continuing their course of cramming more MP on a small sensor for marketing purposes.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:37 am
You should read this
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/guest/physical_limits_long.html
Physics is more powerful than Canon. Noise is one thing to consider, but diffraction is another. If I remember it start to show up at f/7 on the 50D… imagine on 18MP !!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I am sure engineers in Canon had taken Physics before they got the job.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I hope for them and for us… but I’m sure that marketing people didn’t… 50D is one sign in that direction.
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
exactly. engineers don’t decide the specs, marketing does.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Yes, the engineers did, but the marketing guys obviously did not.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
It’s not like diffraction wasn’t there before. Diffraction is function of the lens, not the sensor. With a lower res sensor, you just can’t see it because the sensor can’t resolve that level of detail. All else being equal, a higher resolution will always yield a superior image (although it may not appear that way if you make the pixels the same size.)
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Eric W. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I know what you’re saying, but that doesn’t change a few points. One is that those pining for more FPS shooting would have benefited from a lower MP count. That’s fairly set in stone. The other is that those who want the least noisy image from their camera would have benefited from less MP. That’s not to say that Canon couldn’t have greatly improved the IQ of this 18MP sensor, but that improvement in combination with less MP would have resulted in even better IQ, no? There will be those who are entirely happy with the detail levels they can get out of a 12/15MP image and simply want the best noise quality from those shots as possible.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
No built in flash?
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
If this is truely a sports/wildlife camera, I guess there is no real need for a pop up flash, although itbsure is handy for the “consumer” who uses the camera for muliple purposes.
Could the poster just be a 5d ii body, where they put in a 7?
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
bugs and night frogs are wildlife and a pop-up flash can be a lifesaver
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
the xD series could be deemed as being for those who would use a pro-type flash unit anyway so the pop-up would be too amateur looking to put on… its silly logic in my opinion but something that I wouldn’t put past a marketing person
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I know this is crazy, but could it be 8mp instead of 8fps?
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
No.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Without a pop-up flash, could it be possible that it has an APS-H 1.3 crop, but with intelligent cropping to keep all of the EF-S lens buyers happy/content? I know that this is a long-shot, but the lack of room for a pop-up flash gives me hope for the larger sensor that can actually use 18mp …
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
an APS-H cam with 18mpx would be about ~11.4 mpx in APS-C crop mode
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
You wish ;);)
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
maybe they got rid of the mirror…
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Reevo Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:29 am
can’t be. says 100% viewfinder coverage. and yes, it says viewfinder, not Liveview.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:30 am
…and made a full frame sensor that works with ef-s lenses!
now wouldn’t THAT be a bummer!
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:35 am
FF, 18MP, 8fps, EF-S compatible AND cheaper than 5D MkII?
NEVER! That would be too good to be true.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
if it is FF with crop ability then the Best Buy price would appear to be correct, and it won’t be cheaper than the 5DMkII
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jaco Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
+5
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Well, the reason that prism-box (where a mirror/prism reflects to viewfinder) that big on D700 and 5D2 is that they use Prism, instead of Mirros like in xxD models, so why do you think that they cant use same type of reflector for APS-H or even FF? thats my 0.2 cents
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Man, you don’t know much, do you?
xxDs use prisms, NOT mirrors.
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max Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:01 am
he meant XXXD, dont be a doosh
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anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
you mean douche
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
And sony just released A850 wich is FF AND can accept Cropped (sony style) lens in APS-C mode (read on dpreview), canon can do same trick, allowing all lens to be mounted on every new 2009+ model. Thats sounds like wishlist, but hey :)
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afrank99 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Nikon did the same – you can use DX lenses with the D700.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Hmm, so if that’s the case here, the 7D ships with an EF-S kit lens and the sensor operates in APS-C mode when you have an EF-S lens attached, but switches to FF mode when you attach an EF lens. Interesting thought. But if the 7D is indeed dual-mode, and does 18 MP in FF mode, then in APS-C mode it would only be about 8 MP, which seems a bit low for today’s market.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:49 am
I guess there is no way to switch to FF mode if ur using 1.6x.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Cannon can’t do this because EF-S lenses actually protrude further into camera than standard FF lenses. This causes them to hit the FF sized mirror.
DX lenses from Nikon and the ones from sony don’t go any further into the camera than their FF lenses, this is why they are able to do it.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
The photo for this thread and this one from a week or so ago:
http://www.canonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/camerattop.jpg
both have obscure numbers in the bottom right corner (#505526 & #1133508). Same crappy image quality, too. Looks like they could be from the same source. I wonder what their significance is, if any.
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GeorgeML Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Source = Canon viral marketing department.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:41 am
the ‘8′ – intelligent (something) – maybe an autoswitch FF-Sensor? the ef-s lenses mounted for advertisement?
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Oscar Meyer Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I hope it’s something like that, however unlikely, as for me this camera went from a must purchase to a joke.
18MP is just too much for a crop sensor, hell 15MP was too much.
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dannyROD Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Concurred, nothing’s 100% yet but if this is the final spec list then I’m disappointed and won’t be upgrading…
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Zac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
yeah, but look on the bright side, apart from the way too many megapixels it seems to be a great camera. So Canon has nearly figured it out. This is very nearly a XXD version of a 1D body, just too many pixels. Hey, who would have guessed just a few months ago that Canon would give 18 MP 8 fps to a prosumer body? not I, I’m impressed so far, I just wish that the people who decided on pixel count for G11 from the G10 had been the ones who decided on pixel count for this camera.
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WT Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I did NOT appreciate the 15MP on the T1i. Already sold it.
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gabe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
i hope so too, just look at the g11, that camera is much more a consumer product, and they lowered the MP count, and in the prosumer segment (where the MP count not that important) they rise it? it just not sounds logical, but canon done stupid things several times… on the other hand, even if it would be a FF camera with dynamic crop, they wouldnt call it 7D.
i think i have to start searching for a renewed 5D =/
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RaoulJ Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I believe in that.
18MPixels FF => 7MP APS-C (unlikely)
18MPixels APS-H -> 12MPixels APS-C (more likely)
I’d go for the second because
- they’ll want to test new AF on same size than 1D
- the mirror will be less of a problem between 1PS-C and APS-H
- 18MPixels is too much for APS-C and Canon’s marketing is going (back) this way nowadays : “less pictures for better pictures”.
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RaoulJ Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I meant “Less Pixels”, of course
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Does anyone else think that the 15-85 lens looks kind of strange? It seems to have a narrow control ring close to the camera body and a wider ring farther out. So either they’ve reversed the positions of the zoom and manual focus rings compared to all other Canon zoom lenses, or they’ve made the zoom lens ridiculously narrow.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Sorry: … or they’ve made the zoom RING ridiculously narrow.
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Zac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
That’s typical for Canon’s EF-S and non-L series zooms. look at 28-135 and 17-85 to see for yourself. It is zoom in front, focus in back
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:46 am
[...] Although it is planned to be announced in early September, the specification is leaked via Canon Rumors [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Ok guys
Chinese simplified, from PRC…I can be of some use here.
China is one of the biggest market for Canon.
Let’s translate a bit
倍速进化 on the title (Bei su jin hua) means “an even quicker evolution”
then 视界 (shijie) means “horizon” but in the meaning, I think cannot be “horizon control”…but more “viewable screen”…100% to trump the D300s…
The rest is difficult to read and I had terrible week, I need to sleep. TOmorrow I’ll check If I can get more details…I found an image but Again…no contact email to the venerable owner of CR
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Oliver Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:07 am
http://www.canonrumors.com/contact-form/ provides contact information.
Thanks for the translations.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Thanks – this has added something new. I like this tagline.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:28 am
what do you think about the ‘horizon control’ or whatever you call it to be a internal IS like olympus?
or that thing may help in live view mode.
got any suggestions?
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maxxevv Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
倍速进化 on the title (Bei su jin hua) translates more closely to “a quantum leap in evolution/development” ..
Or literally ” evolution many times over “
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Can someone who knows chinese translate each readable section of the poster? that would be wonderful! =)
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Dariel Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
just look above ! After the image is too bad
Good evening
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Read above before you start asking questions like that. It has already been answered multiple times.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
price??
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Obviously, if you must ask you mustn’t be able to afford it. Such is not a concern for myself, with my massive collection of L lenses.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Hahaha, you’re swine!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
What a pompous, arrogant reply.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
It wasn’t me. It was somebody else pretending to be me.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
It wasn’t me either
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
It was me. I’m the pompous arrogant *ss. That’s me – John Swan.
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I think the 2nd to last one is the new direct upload to facebook button. ;-)
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fotoray Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
also serves as direct print button…
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Hahahahahahahahaha…. whoa you crack me up with such originality. That joke isn’t one bit tired. What a witty person you are.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Oh yeah, why don’t we have a direct upload to Youtube button then?
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August 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
around $1800-2000??
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fotoray Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I thought the BestBuy leak indicated $2800 on recent inventory for “7D”
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I can read Chinese and here is what the box said from
left to right
First row:
18MP, Dual Digic 4, 8ps, All cross 19 AF, ISO 6400, (Last one is not clear enough to read)
Second row:
100% view area, Smart something (not clear), (not clear enough to read), 3 inch LCD, EOS Movie capture, Live View
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I concur. Everything that has been translated are right. GOOD JOB. The last one on the top right is hard to read. From the symbol I would guest it to be curvature correction or built in grid in the view finder. The second one at the bottom row says smart and the smaller character says optical. So I guest it may say “smart exposure control or adjustment” i would guest the next one ( from the symbol) may be horizontal indicator.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
63 field matrix metering (9×7
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
63 field matrix metering (9×7)
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am
What if they are using a new type of image sensor, the 18MP 1.6 crop could be quite usable even in low light. See US patent USP 20090008735.
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But Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:11 am
What about diffraction effects – a completely different matter from electrical noise.
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Oliver Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Correct me if i am wrong, but diffraction is a function of the lens. Since all Canon APS-C are essentially the same physical size, the image being projected on the sensor has always been the same. There for the diffraction is the same as it has always been. It is however true that when viewed at 100% the diffraction will APPEAR more visible, when in reality that is just because there are more pixels per measurement unit.
When equalized to the size of say a 350D’s 8mp sensor, the effects of diffraction should not look any worse.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I think you’re basically correct, but diffraction does limit the value of the extra MPs beyond a certain point. Why should I want 18 MP APS-C if the diffraction limit means my images won’t look any better than they would have with 10 MP APS-C?
Of course this relates to aperture. If you take all your pictures at f/4 or wider, then the diffraction limit is less of an issue. But I dislike the idea of a camera that shows diffraction blurring at f/8. The increase in MP that makes the diffraction limit that low also increases image noise. I’d rather reduce the MP a bit to get lower noise and push the diffraction limit out to at least f/11.
In engineering there are all sorts of trade-offs like this. You don’t get more MP for nothing; there’s always a price to pay.
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Oliver Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
I completely agree that there are trade-offs and that the ultimate goal should be improving image noise and dynamic range. However, I think people shouldn’t even consider diffraction at all.
You will not see diffraction effects any more visible at the current print sizes you use with an 18mp image than you would on an 8mp image. More resolution simply allows for larger print sizes. There is no question that enlarging an 8mp image to 12mp will provide worse results than down-sampling an 18mp image to 12mp.
I do however feel that an 18mp image from a supposed 7D will be better in all regards if down-sampled to a 40D equivalent image. Even though at a pixel level the original 7D image may look ‘worse’ than a 40D’s does, the 7D still has the advantage of having more data when down-sampled.
People need to stop worrying about diffraction and pixel level noise so much and worry about what their final image resolution looks like.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Based on your comment, are you for or against the 18MP… I’m not sure to follow. To improve noise and dynamic range, 12MP will ease your life, why struggling with 18MP ?
Since 50D start showing diffraction at f/7, what would be of the 7D ?
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
The point is, why push the sensor resolution so far if you have to downsize the image to make it look sharp anyway? Not to mention digital IQ concerns.
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Diffraction effect will affect both the lens and the sensor. Please read the following article
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/guest/physical_limits.html
That is the reason why I am against the extreme high pixel count in ANY sensor. Also may be that is the reason why Nikon stopped at 12 mp on their 1.5X crop sensor
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ghosh Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Now that you mentioned northligth, there was a good picture of the idea behind the patent together with quote of the most important part of patent:
“…proposes a photo-detection method that uses a two-dimensionally laminated image sensor in which a pixel has a multilayer structure and the three colors of RGB are detected at different depths utilizing differences in the absorption coefficients of Si. In this two-dimensionally laminated image sensor, a high S/N ratio can be expected because photo detectors having a spectroscopic function are arranged and loss of light due to the presence of a color filter does not occur”
The image can be found in http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/camera_images_4/Canon/misc/sensor.png
So instead of having the subpixels laying next to each other on the same plane (red, blue, 2xgreen) the subpixels are on top of each other, and can thus be the same size in area as the whole pixel and thus each subpixel can be 4 times the area than in a traditional sensor.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Nice patent !!!
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
More I think about this one and more it could make sense… let’s hope for it. Specially with the Chinese translation of the poster title “evolution many times over”… “over” might be the buzz word.
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Gene Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Wow, there’s so much wrong with that article I don’t know where to start. In regards to diffraction, he seems to claim that diffraction reduces the overall quality of the image more with a higher resolving sensor, which is patently false. (It reduces the quality of 100% crops, certainly, but you have to compare images at the same rendered size. Blowing up a low res image will make it look crappy too.)
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I think when you admit that “it reduces the quality of 100% crops” you are basically saying the same thing that the article meant.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
It would not surprise me if that was the case, plus it would be two fingers up at Nikon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Two in the pink, one in the stink…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
The Shocker!!!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Beautiful… makes my mouth water.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I’m utterly disgusted.
My good name – ruined.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Anyone discuss the possibility of FF, with in camera crop (EF-S useable when cropped?)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am
This would be amazing. This is what made the D700 amazing…I know Canon is capable to doing this…whether they want to…is a completely different story…
I REALLY WANT THIS CAMERA TO BE FULL FRAME!!!!!!!!!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Calm down you two. Canon would not want one of their FF cameras and an EF-S lens being seen held in the same hands, never mind being mounted. It will never happen.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Further to my original point, let the EF-S peasants eat cake!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
your really annoying swan…but ill give you a point for the EF-S peasants….. lol%Pr
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:49 am
But if the camera is 18 MP at full-frame with EF-S compatibility achieved by in-camera 1.6x cropping, the APS-C equivalent resolution would be only about 8 MP. That seems low for today’s market.
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:52 am
ALL EF-S lens sticks out about 2 to 3mm beyond the lens mount to make use the smaller mirror size for the APS-C sensor and make the lens design easier. That is how they can make 18 to 55 or 17-85 for APS-C ONLY.. Any other size will have a bigger mirror which will hit the EF-S lens. Couple people have suggested the mirror can swing back before flipping up. This is a standard operation for a LONG time in ALL modern SLR for both film and digital. How many of you remembers that the upper part of the image in the view finder is a little dim when using lens longer than 200mm??? That is the SLR without the mirror backward movement.
So please thinking of using EF-S lens in any other sensor size.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Good point, the short back focus length is actually more of a problem than the cropped image circle if people want to talk about putting EF-S lenses on FF cameras.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I thought Nikon was doing it ?
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I don’t know Nikon’s product line that well, but if the DX lenses don’t have a shorter back focus like the EF-S lenses do, then Nikon doesn’t have this problem.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Who cares about these lenses? Personally I wouldn’t lower myself down to using anything that doesn’t have an L on it. But we all have different ambitions I suppose.
This camera will not be FF people, so please stop going on about it. At 1.3x it would be a must-buy. At 1.6x, I think we will see some considerably improved noise levels if they’re bold enough to be putting 18MP on it.
As a wildlife and sports photography fan this could well end up on my shopping list.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I do believe that such a camera must have an L quality direct print button, one that would complement my wonderful collection of L lenses adequately.
Leave the lower quality direction print buttons for the peasants with their shabby EF-S lenses.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Actually I secretly own only EF-S lenses and hate myself for it. Can anyone recommend a good therapist?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Fyi – the first of these messages was mine – the remainder were made by an impersonater. Could the mods step in here please?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Just kidding… i actually have split personality disorder… so, about that therapist?
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am
This camera would have the same ISO range as the 5d MkII. Would canon do this if they didn’t believe the image quality at the same iso would be similiar? If ISO was not improved with a 18mp crop, wouldn’t they have left it at 3200 like the 50d?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I agree. Canon will have been working hard on noise control behind the scenes. Just because the 50D was criticised, it doesn’t mean Canon have nothing up their sleeve.
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I hope you are right. however, The noise level for 50D is not as good as the 40D. and almost all test report says the 50D has out done the resolution of the best prime lens and the L zoom lens. We could have almost double the picture file size and hardly gain anything. Therefore I am a little skeptical. I would wait to see a reliable test report before would buy it.
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Scott Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
You might want to re-read reviews of the 50D. If you look at resolution, you’ll clearly see it outresolving the 40D. BTW, per-pixel, noise levels are about the same between the 40 and 50D.
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Canon believes in the power of their marketing dept..!! Nothing else.
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ms Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I wouldn’t discount the idea that they could have a new layered sensor where the actual pixels would be more like 6mpx which would be extrapolated to 18… (I think Foveon sensors are like this?)… I think this might be a way for Canon to go around the issues of excessive noise and diffraction effects while still looking like they have more pixels?
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
[...] a leaked advertisement/print/picture of Canon 7D, things getting more and more not-mysterious anymore about the release of Canon’s upcoming [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
[...] [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 11:25 am
1.6?????????????? :(
but i have one L lens :(
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Such a peasant. Obviously you’re of low moral character and of no ambition if you haven’t a collection of L lenses.
Shame. Shame.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Looks like somebody is trying to imitate me? I will not stand for this.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Oh dear, I’m in such a tizzy!
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Jeff Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Who’s who?
Some crazy guy is talking to himself LOLZ!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I am a tool.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
For this I will not stand!
Beware
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
You dare to call me tool again, fool?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
You dare to call me tool again, fool ?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I can’t help myself… TOOL! I’m such a tool!!
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John EF-Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Oh, it’s on now…
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Comon, someone stole my identity!!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
You’re the one that stole mine
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I like men with big nasty L lenses….. Just sayiPr
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Dwight Schrute Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Identity theft is not a joke! Millions of families suffer every year!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Here then http://www.lifelock.com
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
WTF!!I didn’t say anything above!
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Joe Lamb Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
lol, this guy really went crazy. LMAO! Think too much about Direct Print Button?
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I love Direct Print Buttons!!! Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
He has Direct Print Button syndrome!!!!!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
LOLZ! Dis is crazy yo!
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Ha ha very funny. Some smart alec here fancies himself as a comedian? The only post made here by me is the one dated August 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am.
I would like the mods to step in here and review these posts. If anybody needs confirmation of whether I posted a message or not, the mods have my email address and can communicate back to me that way.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Besides been an hoax or not.. and probably 7D will bring a 1.6x crop,
- Would be posible the APS-H mount change somehow that can receive EFS lenses??
For the spefics would be great in 1.3x crop!!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
[...] [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Here is a summary of all icons on the poster (say thanks):
CANON 7D – An even quicker evolution
1 – 18mpix
2 – dual diginc 4
3 – 8 fps
4 – 19 af points
5 – iso 6400 max
6 – 63 metering zones
7 – 100% viewfinder
8 – “smart” optical viewfinder
9 – electronic level
10 – 3 inch LCD II
11 – video
12 – Live view
The only questions we still need answered are:
What is the crop factor? There is no confirmation of it here, but apparently there is an EF-S lens attached in the picture.
What is the story with the flash? Who knows?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
i’m just wondering what a “smart” optical viewfinder is :s
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
use wildlife shooter need this.
great JOB CR
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am
preying for not to be 18mp.
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
only gayu use canon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
“gayu”
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:51 am
One thing is for sure canon is making us crazy! either they like the hype or are preparing us for a huge 50D like dissapointment!
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August 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Everyone was talking about 18MP will have high noise image, I think you guys forgot about DUAL DIGIC IV processor. If 18MP divided by 2 meaning each DIGIC IV is only handling 9MP. Wouldn’t it be good enough balancing the noise control???
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I figured the purpose of dual DIGIC IVs was to increase burst-mode frame rate by allowing the camera to start processing a second image before the first is finished (and then start a third after the first is finished, but while the second is still processing, etc.).
Also, in-camera noise reduction processing is not a substitute for creating a less noisy image in the first place. The initial noise level has to do with the sensor, not the processors.
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Fo99Y Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
In 2008, Canon introduced the new DIGIC 4 processor, used by the EOS 500D/Rebel T1i, EOS 50D and EOS 5D Mark II, as well as some new PowerShot cameras.
Canon claims improvements such as:
Much faster image processing when compared to previous processors
Improved noise reduction in high-ISO images
Improved performance while handling larger 14-bit RAW images
Live Face Detection AF during Live View
H.264 1080p encoding.
Took this off from the internet. It says “Improved noise reduction in high-ISO images”. So Dual Digic IV doubles the noise reduction if we use high ISO to compensate the 18MP sensor? Just my thought!!!
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I’m not denying the existence of in-camera noise reduction, I’m just saying that (1) it’s no substitute for creating a lower-noise image in the first place, because noise-reduction processing tends to blur fine details, and (2) my impression is that Canon’s purpose in putting two processors into the camera is to speed up the frame rate, not to lower noise levels. I could be wrong, but that’s how it seems to me at this point.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
That’s for jpg processing. Should mean anything for RAW files.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
“should not”
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
no, that is totally ridiculous!
Where then are the plug-ins for CS4 thta reduced noise by 30x when you let them run for an hour with a quad core?
The only thing Digic IV does it turn jpgs to mush!
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mucher Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Comparing an image recorded in RAW and same image recorded in jpg, you can see that the jpg one will be more noisy, because in DPP you can use more complex formula like comparing more points or do more anti-aliasing resulting in cleaner image. If a camera has more powerful CPU, it can builtin more complex formula or do more anti-aliasing resulting in better jpg images. That is my understanding.
Mentioning anti-aliasing, you can always have more, like 8x, 12x, 32x…so there is no limit how clean a picture can be as long as CPU computing power is increasing, so I personally recommend shooting pictures in RAW if you have the time to process it, you might get a better picture in the future when DPP evolutionizes.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
That would be great if true, and I wish it was so, but I doubt it….. I think that would be the case is you had two sensors…. not two processors…. sorry.
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Mike Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I always thought high ISO noise was primarily the result of small pixels which is the product of cramming too many of them on to a sensor.
Please someone correct me if I’m wrong…
But If I’m right, it means seriously small pixels with an APS-C sized sensor
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
You should have trusted Science, dude
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Not sure your logic is correct mickey muncher, but I’m pretty sure Canon would not be putting 18MP on a 1.6x sensor unless noise control was going to improve significantly. I don’t know if its likely that the dual processor would directly lead to a reduction in noise.
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Est. Street Price?!
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What I've heard Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Somewhere in the low $2000 for Canada, maybe around $1800 US if this right.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
By street price do you mean highstreet, or black market?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
back of the truck .. at night … no streetlights ;)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
oh and cash only!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Street price drops with time, and it’s a product of demand vs. supply. It’ll probably start at around $1,800. Really though, your guess is as good as mine.
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
[...] 7D & Lens Pictures [CR3] | Canon Rumors 7D & Lens Pictures [CR3] | Canon Rumors. [...]
August 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
can anyone tell me that these mtf charts are good for us or bad? i compared the 15-85 chart to the 17-85 chart but strictly watching the lines i think 17-85 wins, but i dont know exactly how to interpret the graphs. can anyone help?
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I bet the camera on the right shows a similar text but has other statistics and maybe even another lens on it.
That’s a clear hint towards anyone not believing in a dynamic crop for canon.
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What I've heard Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Interesting… why showing it twice…
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
One VERY interesting observation. The picture of the 7D box did not mention anything about crop sensor also there is no mention about EF-S Lens either. On the posting about 8 spaces ahead, there is a picture showing 7D teams up with 24-105 L lens. If put two and two together. the 7D may still be a FF. and not cheap. 1. It teams up with a $1300 lens as a kit. canon always team up a kit lens about 1/4 of the camera body 2. No built-in flash ( canon only does this on 1D series) 3. If it is a 1.6 crop sensor. That will be teaming with a 38 to 168mm lens. That is a awkward kit lens. Too short for sport or wide life. Too long for landscape and family. On the other hand. if it is a FF sensor. The 24 to 105 will be a perfect general purpose lens.
So FF fans ( actually I am not one), Keep your hope alive.
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yarrayering Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I hope you`re right. even a 1.3 crop sensor would be cool.
Does anybody know if the ff sensor is written on the 5d mk II box as a spec? If it`s not, then there is still hope for a non apsc 7d.
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What I've heard Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
“No built-in flash ( canon only does this on 1D series)” you mean xD, since both 5D and 5DII doesn’t have it.
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Craig Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The CR3 report two days ago here on CR said the 7D was definitely APS-C, but you’re right, it would be weird to ship an APS-C camera with the 24-105 L lens. I guess we’ll just have to wait for the official announcement!
It’s not true, though, that Canon kits always package a body with a lens 1/4 the price. The 5D MkII kit has the same 24-105 L lens.
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gabe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
can anyone help me out? i dont understand this exactly
“On the posting about 8 spaces ahead, there is a picture showing 7D teams up with 24-105 L lens.”
i think i lost a little bit
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Canon EOS 7D is getting real | mylensdb.com
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gabe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
thx, but i have doubts. just look at camera top at the box
http://www.mylensdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/canon7dBox.jpg
its not similar to the previous camera top picture
http://www.mylensdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/canon7dBox.jpg
no on/off switch at the mode dial, no custom function modes (i mean only one, just like the original 5d) so i think its just a photoshopped 5D box, thats all
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gabe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
oh i pasted the wrong link, here is the second pic http://ericreagan.smugmug.com/photos/625808033_QD4JD-L.jpg
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Nope Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
The picture of the box is just an old fake that has been around forever.
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Joe Lamb Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
The number “7″ doesn’t look right..
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
The lens pictured on the box is EF-S.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
dont see the pic but that sounds like that lame pre-5D2 photoshop job from like s years ago…. that keeps coming back again and again….
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
How can one post an observation on here and begin by declaring it “one VERY interesting observation”. It was at that point that I stopped reading. Such arrogance does not merit the attention you clearly crave. If you want me to read the message, post it again minus the first line.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
God I hate myself.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
+1
Bahaha.
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
It was interesting to me. Until I saw the picture with 24-105mm lens as a kit with the 7D. I was convince it is a 1.6 crop with 18 mp (based on CR3 from this site). I feel Canon has betrayed us. Now I start to feel that there is still hope. Is that interesting? If you cannot share my joy, I am sorry. It is not being arrogant or craving for attention. It is all in your mind.
At least I do not go around putting down people that uses EF-S lens, correcting people’s grammar, telling people to “stop it” or saying something that is not suitable for children to read.
So let us think about who is being arrogant and craving for attention
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August 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I guess we’ll all know for sure real soon what the specs are. I saw some comments about too many Megapixels being a bad thing because the current lenses wouldn’t be able to handle it. But from my experience it seems like my images are just as sharp if not sharper on the 5DII than the older camera bodies I had.
I’m excited, I guess it all depends on the real price tag when its released.
That’s cool that someone took a pic of that poster. Many thanks for that.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
18-135 mm without USM?!?!?!?! Again a low level lens from Canon, just like the 18-200mm. A stupid policy! For me a reason to stop with Canon after more then 20 years and to step over to Nikon. Nikon has a very very nice 18-200mm lens with IS and USM :-)
Bye, bye, Canon
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gwac Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
I had been hoping for a lens like this with better performance than the 18-200… but the lack of USM is indeed disappointing.
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Bob Howland Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Huh??? The 18-200 Canon lens has both IS and USM. The 18-135 may be intended as a kit lens for $700 Rebels. It’ll be interesting to see if the 15-85 is the new kit lens for the 50D and 60D. It would have to be better than the 28-135 that Canon has been adding.
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efs guy Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
The Canon 18-200 has a dc motor not a usm motor. The 18-135 should have ring usm. In fact all canon lenes should have ring usm.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
its a 1,6 camera if you look close you can see ef s followed by a a zoom range and a non fixed aperture.
PS if noise sucks on this camera I will switch to nikon. I just dont like the way they are going with their camera’s. Cramming more pixels in their sensors.
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Marc R. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
+1
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Be patient. By putting 18mp on a 1.6x (if indeed that’s what the sensor will be), then Canon are making a statement and trying to prove the doubters wrong. It would be an amazing feat if 18mp on a 1.6x results in better noise control than the D300. It’s only slightly faster and, from what I can gather, considerably more expensive. My chips are on Canon pulling a rabbit out of the hat on this one. Otherwise it’s a bad egg in the face.
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Daniel Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
It wont be faster if it’s paired with a kit non-USM lens.
Having a good 19 point AF system paird with a non-USM lens is kind of having an BMW M5 on donut wheels.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
ever THINK you could use .. GASP .. a 17-55 2.8 EF-S on it? or heaven forbid a 35 1.4 or a 24 1.4 on it too?
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
From a friend from a friend who works at Canon. They have been working for a long time on his one. It will be good. Let’s hop so. Get it out so we may have a few review’s
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
See my last post (directly above yours). Enough of the “friend of a friend” talk though – we are all here for factual information only. Rumours can go elsewhere.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Yeah, rumors don’t belong here. They should all go to http://www.canonrumors.com only.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
this one or d300s…. it depends on noise performance what we missed a lot.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Is that a question, or have you just answered it yourself?
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
The picture does not seem to match the top plate picture we see a week ago. Where is the Movie function button?
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
So where is the flash controller?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Can you clarify who that question is aimed at? We are all confused.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Speak for yourself. I know EXACTLY what he’s talking about.
Where is the flash controller, indeed??
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Very presumptuous to speak for all of us John.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
People shouldn’t moan about 18mp sensor, Canon know more about sensor’s than any of us do, I’m sure they have done a good job with it.
Also it obviously wont be 6400, it’ll still be expandable to 12,800 or more…
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Please read the following article
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/article_pages/guest/physical_limits.html
That is the reason why I am against the extreme high pixel count in ANY sensor. Also may be that is the reason why Nikon stopped at 12 mp on their 1.5X crop sensor
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
that article only applies if you pixel peep.
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
True. But it also affect the effective usage of the memory. Why should I have a 15mp picture with same resolution as 10 mp. Also You want great depth of field, so you stop down to f 11 ( personally, I try to avoid f16 even shooting film with my M4) and the diffraction kicks in and having a slightly unsharp picture.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Also, there’s a camera next to it on the poster. Says 7 so could just be the same thing repeated, but is it possible there’s a 7Ds kind of thing? It doesn’t show what comes after the ‘7′ on the one on the right.
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Salva Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It will be two posters before cut
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
gosh, if this true, it will kill me.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
do we have any Canon EOS 70D rumours? ;)
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
It is definitely a APS-C camera! If you look close you can see EF-S 15-85 followed by a non fixed aperture. So it comes in a kit with the new walk-around lens.
The last symbol in the upper row indicates a 63 field matrix metering – 9 by 7 fields.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I just hope they were sensible about the 19pt AF. Like the 9pt plus 6 helper and then 4 more outer and didn’t just take the 19 base points and chop out ALL of the helpers. If they did this thing will still be a PITA to make it track as well as a 1 series. If they just chop out the outer helpers points that wouldbe reasonable though, leave the more ideal sports framing for 1 series for now but still let this beast focus great using the center point.
From older rumors and knowing canon I bet they were dumb and gave it NO helper points. We’ll see.
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August 28th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
i think 7D mark II or so. only 7 would think to a “high end” kamera. not xxD.
I hope also it’s a FF, but…
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Do you remember this rumor : http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/07/60d-specs-cr1-2/
At the end, they mentionned :”lastly, an all-new, pleasantly surprising “feature” that would bring
a smile to all the Canon loyalists (just watch for it) ;)”
If this “feature” was a compatibility of EF-S lenses with the APS-H sensor of the 7D ? that would be nice. It would please lots of people.
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JoeCam Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
+10 lets hope you’re right!
Now what if they cracked teh code on low ISO at higher MP on APS-C if they get me 40D Performance I’m In!
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roger767 Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
if this is true then the 7d went from paperweight to almost killer camera (FF would have made it a killer camera)
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Dv Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Could be. That is what I remembered when posting in post 36. So Also could be eye control?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
That would be the best case scenario, if you ask me …
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I would hate that to be true. An EF-S lens has no place on neither an APS-H camera nor FF camera. The flashmaster rumour sounded most likely to me.
Affordable (to the masses) 7D with 1.3x crop, 18MP and 8fps would wipe the floor with every camera in its class ever released before it. It would effectively be pound for pound, the greatest camera ever built. And that is why it simply won’t happen.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Who told you that EF-S has no place on APS-H/FF?
Or thats just xD = Must Have L ? Than why theres people who use 50 1.8 on Ds or 5D2 ?
That sounds like you have been fooled by marketing…
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Me… fooled? I can honestly say that I’ve never been fooled in my life. IMHO xD cameras should ONLY be mounted with L lenses. Why buy a great body and fit it with sub-standard lenses? The most important purchase should be the lens – not the body.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
No, it’s just that I measure my self-esteem by the length and girth of my L lenses.
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Oh, did I say that out loud? Oops.
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Power of Marketing. Same marketing which works for Monster cables and Bose audio
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
If that’s true, the 2 new walkaround lenses will effectively become 19.5-110.5 and 23.4-175.5. WOW!!!
And if I can mount my 10-22 it’ll become a 13-28.6. Far out!
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Why canon cannot do it right at least one?
There shuld be a 5DII with better autofocus on the market, but is not.
7D should be anything else but no 18MP on APS-C:
it could be 18MP on FF, or APS-H
it could be 10 to 12 MP on APS-C
They need a change in top management ASAP!
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
18MP Aps-C = Fail.
There must be something more to this. They couldn’t be that foolish. 50D was a bomb. G11 indicates that they have learned that more MP doesn’t equal more IQ. If the 7D were FF and APS-C like D3/D700 that would make perfect sense and be an excellent camera. However all signs point away from this camera as FF. So Canon WTF?
I feel like Scotty, “You cannot change the laws of physics, Canon!”
Baring some sci-fi, gee-whiz technology, I think 7D looks like a major dud. Who cares if you can shoot 8 blurry images a second. Who wants huge file sizes that don’t yield extra detail?
Someone above said Canon knows more about sensors than any of us, so we should just trust them. The 50D sure proved that. Their marketing department knows all they need to know: More MP=More sales!
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Peyton Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
unfortunately it ‘looks’ like the banner shows an EF-S lens on the 7D…I’d rather have APS-H @ that MP…but that’s me.
I think if there was a better 5D mk II on the market then the 1Ds Mk III sales would go way down…
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
We should not forget that we see only half of the poster… the other half should show (crossing fingers) the killer feature…
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Some guy Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Seriously. But what would it be?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Unless the other poster says, “Just Kidding”, this looks like a dud.
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
haha that would be the best Canon poster ever
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Gulp !!! as someone said it’s probably a twin poster uncut… but there is still hope.
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millan Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
It doesn’t seem so. The left edge of the poster has much more room in comparison to the gap between cameras…
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Well, canon’s marketing decides everything and it works for them.
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
It will be a sad day to see an EF-S lens mounted on an XD Canon. What is the world coming to?
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
It will be a great day when we don’t have to listen to Mr. Swan’s prattle. What is the world coming to?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Indeed
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August 28th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Remember how everyone panned the 5DMkII? Then after it came out until today, it is back ordered. Canon just can’t make enough of them at $2700/each. I think the 7D will be the same. It will be a great camera, but it may take months and months to get.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
If they do a 18MP on APS-C, I switch to Nikon.
I just want a fast full frame, good at high isos, without paying more than 3500 €. Am I asking too much?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I agree with you, i’m really getting tired of all the disapointed stuff Canon gave us since months.. Nothing exciting, when I see the yellow do, I’m really thinking of changing brand :/
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
See you two love birds later so.
At least wait to get the spec announced officially and allow some time for tests to be carried out before you start getting your knickers in a twist?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Or maybe you wouldn’t mind twisting my knickers a bit??
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Javier - The last picture Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Pardon me?
I thought we were talking about photography.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Is this a APS-H or APS-C sensor?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Me hopes it becomes the Full Framed sensors.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Do you realy think, that canon will produce a noisy camera with unusable 1600 ISO (for example) ?
Do you imagine how much money they will loose?
I dont think canon camera developers are so dumb, its totaly new processing with APS-C or APS-H, deffo not FF.
To people who saying about switching to Nikon, what you waiting for? switch and feel good, i dont see why you complain, if you want a camera with features that D300/D700 gives, buy it and do job with it, instead of begging canon to make a camera that you want…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
i.e. if you like Mercedes, but Ferrari gives you higher speed, and your “professional speed racer” why stay with Mercedes, go and use Ferrari :)
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Exactly..!! Canon will never give d700 or d300. You may get all the extras..may be gps, altimeter, mp3 player,radio, instant messenger, may an inbuilt cellphone too..but NO Pro AF, NO Pro weatherseals…to summarise, no Pro body matching Nikon. But unfortunately marketing works..!!
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El Loco Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Yes,
There are a lot more amateurs than professionals, them… direct print buttons and tons of mega pixels.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Booyah!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Maybe they know/discovered a better noise control, but at 18MP on a ’simple’ apsc, i’m VERY VERY INCREDIBLY worried about diffraction, thing that gets noticable at 100% crop at above F/11 on a 400D 10MP, and at above F/8 on a 50D 15MP; how worse could it get on a 18MP?
On paper this seems a dream camera, and i’m very tempted to order it as soon as i can, whatever the price if i have the proof diffraction will be reasonable (i’m looking for an ultimate upgrade to my 400D, and am birdshooting, which i love; also need a good low light for other pics, wanting apsc because of my efs kind lenses, and extra reach on the 100-400)
But, i’m so worried about diffraction: i need F/11 (or better) for macro shooting! that diffraction just gets horrible at F/16 on a 400D
I simply hope for a new technology in this sensor, or guess i’ll have to wait another 6months for a hypothetic 60D :(
I’m also about to buy the 10-22 for a ultra wide fun; but i’m waiting for the final announcement before buying… Just to be sure. Aps-h or full frame won’t fit my lenses ‘collection’/needs/expectations at the moment.
I think canon understood that plenty of xxD owners are waiting for a ultimate upgrade even at a high price. aka D300s killer. A pitty they are just ‘following’, and didn’t innovate before others.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
ZOMG .. then .. don’t .. view .. at .. 100 .. PERCENT.
do you honestly PRINT a 6 foot wide print and then look at it from 18 inches away and go ZOMG .. that pixel on quadrant 2.12387 feet by 3.32387 is diffraction limited!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
the none sarcastic point is that diffraction depends ENTIRELY on your sensor to viewing magnification .. if a 4um pixel is diffracted .. who gives a rats behind? when you print 12×18, 20×30, or whatever, it will still look good or better than a print with a lower pixel density sensor at the same print size.
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lethalwp Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Sometimes you want to be able to use the MP for cropping & recomposing, what else would you need 18MP for?
640 kp is enough for everybody!
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Javier - The last picture Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
You are right. Anyway at this point I am staying at Canon because I don’t want to say goodbye to my awesome zoom L lenses (17-40 and 70-200 2.8).
I would love to use this lenses in a “Canon D700″. What I said is: if after a while this remains not possible, I will switch to Nikon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I don’t understand ppl waiting for a D700, you have the “old” 5D, or the even better 5dmk2,
if i was waiting for a “budget” FF from canon, in fact, i wouldn’t be waiting and would buy a 5Dm2 as soon as i can. It has so many excellent reviews, except for the AF part, but that’s where the 1Ds comes in, and its not cheap.
a better camera than 5Dmk2 will hit their 1ds sales (and 5D), i think you shouldn’t expect a better & cheaper FF camera from canon atm.
but a apsc d300s killer is a market where canon has a big hole, and that’s where the 7D seems to fit; let’s hope the 18MP sensor won’t before-born kill it
i’m looking (probably like many of XXXD and XXD owners) for a perfect upgrade (with fullhd, low light?, low diffraction!??), it seems the 7D is the answer.
just my .02Euros :p
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Maybe because the D700 is the only sub $4500 full frame camera that can actually focus?
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Javier - The last picture Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
+1!!
and replying to anonymous, who said: “I don’t understand ppl waiting for a D700, you have the “old” 5D, or the even better 5dmk2″.
If you don’t understand us, go and read the specs of any of those two Canon cameras.
And then think about it: what if you need a FAST camera (more than 5 fps), with pro AF, full frame, good at high isos, and you have no need of 20 MPX?
What if moreover you don’t want to spend more than 3.500 €?
The answer is Nikon D700. But I wish I could stay in Canon to use my great lenses.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
My source from Canon Japan (Yokohama office) told me that the 7D will be 1.3 crop BUT EF-S lenses can be used. This is the hidden feature we’ve been told about.
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max Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
yeah… right
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Honest and for true???
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
That will be best-of-the-best prosumer camera, hope its true :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
My friend in the Yokohama office says that he had some Ramen for lunch. And that the 7D is gonna destroy the D300s with godzilla-like abandon.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
+1
LOL
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
+1
7D is poised to execute a swift, well-aimed kick to the d300s’s nads.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
snickers. and will that be released on youtube?
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John Swan Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
I hope it is APS-H. But will be disappointed if it’s EF-S compatible.
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
You are full of nonsense.
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Rox Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
That would be too good… it was my first take since the beginning of the 7D story…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Please be right.
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Reevo Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
why would they pair it up with a EF-S lens that doesn’t utilize the whole APS-H sensor?
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
This sounds more like it!
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
with an APS-H sensor, it will give us around 10MP on an EF-S lens. I like it!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
12 Mp
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Gusto Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I thought:
APS-C: 22.2 x 14.8 mm
APS-H: 28.7 x 19.1 mm
FF: 36 x 24 mm
So, Rob is right.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
You are all wrong. What happened to math? You chumps remember how to solve for “x?”
Area of sensor
FF = 864mm^2
H = 525.4mm2
C = 419.7mm^2
H sensor pixel count assuming 5DmkII (21MP) pixel size and pitch:
21.1/864mm^2 = X/525.4mm^2 H pixel count = 12.8MP
FF sensor pixel count assuming the rumored 18MP pixel count on an H sized sensor:
18/525.4mm^2 = X/864mm^2 FF pixel count = 29.6MP
C sensor pixel count assuming the rumored pixel count of 18MP on an H sized sensor:
18/525.4mm^2 = X/419.7mm^2 C pixel count = 14.4MP
Now that’s how you do some math! It’s the learnin’ train ya all…
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
look like we have a slight disagreement on the numbers:
APS-C: 22.5 X 15 = 337.6 mm^2
APS-H :27.7 X 18.5 =512.45 mm^2
FF: 36 X 24 = 864 mm^2
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Direct from CanonUSA website:
50D (APS-C) = 22.3mm x 14.9mm. Area = 332.27mm^2
1DmkIII (APS-H) = 28.1 x 18.7mm. Area = 525.7mm^2
1DsmkIII (FF) = 36.0 x 24.0mm. Area = 864mm^2
Updating the above calculations:
C sensor pixel count assuming the rumored pixel count of 18MP on an H sized sensor:
18/525.4mm^2 = X/332.27mm^2 C pixel count = 11.
The even scarier calculation:
If it’s an 18MP APS-C sensor it translates to FF equivalent at:
FF sensor pixel count assuming the rumored 18MP pixel count on a C sized sensor:
18/332.27mm^2 = X/864mm^2 FF pixel count = 46.8MP
That last calc is just silly Canon – WTF?
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Remember the earlier reports that the 7D would come with “never before seen feature”? We’ll, guess what it is…
The 7D is not a 1.6 crop camera and it takes EF-S lenses. You heard it here first :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
+1
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gabe Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
or flash master HAHA and im bet its that
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kubelik Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
yeah, flash master is already a pretty big goodie. let’s not get too greedy and assume Canon’s just handing out upgrades like its Halloween
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
no, it will be full time AF .. fast AF for video / liveview.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Is great success from the manufacturer! I am well excite to use this camera at various functions! Please let us hopes that it become a 1.3 APS-H crops.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
so, what will be the possible price tag then? as leaked from B&H?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I believe the bestbuy leak, was somewhere around $2,700, which does not make any sense with these specs if it’s a 1.6. Now if there was a 1.3, that could be possible??
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Rob Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I have a question. Does 1 more FPS and 3 extra MP + video + better AF justify the huge price difference between this camera and a 50D?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
No, but an APS-H sensor would be worth it.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Isn’t it easier if we just contact the CR3 guy and ask him what he knows? ;)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
right, let’s torture him, and by divulging his name, he’ll get fired…. Maybe he’ll sepaku, who cares!
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Rob Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
We have to find a CR4 guy! :)
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Actually, methinks the Canonrumor guy knows him/her. Let’s torture him.
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August 28th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Hmmm… I’d like one of these cameras.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Bet you do…
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jerk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
From the rumors going around, you can’t afford one, Annie.
Maybe you should consider a Holga, the film processing is expensive, but the body is within your price range.
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Annie Leibovitz Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Ouch!
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Henri Cartier - Bresson Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Oui, Annie, Maybe you should invest in zee holga, yes? As for moi, I am interested in zees Canon 7D.
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Capa Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
You stole ma pitcha!!!!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
In my opinion there are two different cameras on the poster.
The second one on the right is smaller…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
yes, but the chinese text appears to be the same….
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
All those new 50D owners are going to be super pissed, LOL!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I think the left side of the poster show the 7D 1,3 crop”ef” and the right side 7D 1,6 crop “EF-S” mode? In the same camera.
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Update: The 7D will be 4mm thicker than the 50D, but only around the lens connector location (probably because of the larger sensor), and the whole body is only 2.5 ounce heavier.
Bad news: this will be priced the about same as the 5D2, not because it’s new but its long term market position is supposed to be side by side with the 5D Mark II. Now the decision to cripple the 5D2’s focus system is starting to make sense.
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Crap. Are you serious? I was kinda hoping this this was gonna run between $1800-$2100…. Blerg!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
There’s no way it can be priced the same as the 5d Mkii, unless there is a 1.3 crop and the ability to use ef-s lenses…..
That would be cool, but I think we’re all dreaming…….
Maybe this would reconcile many of the rumors? Similar pixel density as 5d mkii, Cause 1.3 at 18mp, capable of ef-s lenses (why there’s the 1.6 rumor and lens on it) and the bestbuy price leak.
If it’s strictly a 1.6 it MUST be under or around $2k no more.
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Now I’m hoping it’s a 1.6 crop. I’m not about to spend another $2.5K on a body (just got the MKII). Canon, hook us up with $2K price for a 1.3 cropper! Hoyoooo!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
If you can wait another 6 months I believe there’ll be a 60D by then at around $1.3K.
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Duce Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Indeed, if the 7D is 1.3 crop it’ll mean that the xxD line will live on as Canon’s top-of-the-line 1.6 crop. Nice product plan, Canon.
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Rob Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
I think if it’s a 1.6 crop, it will be priced around Nikon D300. If it’s really around $2.7K it cannot be 1.6 crop.
It’s also possible that we see a 60D and a 7D next week.
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
How come no rumors for the 60Dizzle?
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lethalwp Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Impossible !
can canon really afford to wait another 6 months before a fullHD video 1.6 crop? (or maybe a 1.3 with 1.6 compatibility)
It’s impossible, or they are living on the edge of failure
I believe the 7D will be their best 1.6 camera within years, the 60D will be more or less a 40D or 50D upgrade with video; which i would like. But i’m soo tempted for a 1.6 FULLHD video upgrade, that i prolly won’t be able to wait.
AF looks like the best that canon will give us for a 1.6;
if it’s the “lord of darkness”, it explains itself;
but i’m soo worried about diffraction … :/
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Rocky Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
“4mm thicker than the 50D, but only around the lens connector location” That mean they must have moved the sensor 4MM forward also. The distance between the front of the lens mount and the sensor must be fixed for any canon lens to be used on the camera regardless of the sensor size. They either need room for another PC board for the second DIGIC 4 and the video function or they may have the flipping LCD monitor in mind later.
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The chinese text on the right side of the poster is same so long we can see but the precent of the wievfinder mabe 96%? in the 1,6 crop mode. I think the right side show the 1,6crop features in the 7D
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Some of you old-timers will remember the Canon Pellix… It used a fixed, semi-silvered pellicle mirror. Might this allow the two formats without EF/EF-S exit pupil incompatibility? With the advances in optics in forty years and the two-layer sensor, there might just be a new workaround to the obviously dimmer image getting to the sensor through a mirror. Achieving a high frame rate would be easy with a pellicle, as there is no mechanical activity except the shutter. A 100% viewfinder image would also be easier to engineer with a larger fixed mirror. Ah, isn’t speculation fun!
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Well 8 x 18 does equal 144 million, so these specs seem plausible. I was really hoping for 12 x 12 though. I have serious doubts that Canon is going to make a low noise camera with that many pixels in a 1.6 crop. From what I’ve read about the 50D, they sacrificed image quality with only 15MP. I would think they would have learned their lesson.
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
6MP x 3 foveon type sensor = 18M effective pixels.
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Rob Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Is foveon much better than Bayer sensors?
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lethalwp Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Rumours =
- we don’t know yet
- we hope it is (better)
- we hope it won’t be the SX1 CMOS fiasco (or 50D)
- we hope it’ll be more tolerant to diffraction than 50D
- we hope it’ll be less noise sensitive
- we hope it’s not a simple bayern upgraded sensor, which will kill the 7D sales as soon as it gets reviewed, if it truly is a 18MP APSC.
i really don’t know, but this is fscking me for another week of waiting b4 detailed announcement. #sigh#
And will be fscking me for another month b4 reviewed by more or less serious websites
i’m dying! =)
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August 28th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If its priced same as 5D2, what the point buying when you can add a little and buy 1D Mark III ? EF-S compability wont worth that much.
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i am a gay.
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Lol.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
For me this camera is for people who loves numbers, not for those who loves to take great pictures.
And also it makes me feel, this is a product what is an end result of making a camera based on forum comments…
Pretty silly.
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jameslj Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
That’s what it looks like to me, too. Just beefed up specs. I hope it’s better than that.
I’d take a camera pretty much like my 40D but with some significant improvements in IQ, dynamic range, and ISO performance. I really don’t want much else. HD video and 8fps doesn’t mean that much to me. 6fps was just about right for me.
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Mark Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Well, what can you expect from a company taken hostage by their Marketing gods. Canon very clearly indicates “If you need Pro AF then buy 1 series. Period”
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
we – Canons customers – force Canon to finally give us Pro AF in bodies significantly cheaper than 1 series. It doesnt matter, what Canon indicates.
We have the money, we call the shots. Canon doesnt want to play? We buy Nikons. That simple.
After 3 years of too little too late APS-C bodies (30D/40D/50D), its about time Canon delivers a pro-level APS-C body that clearly beats the Nikon D300s at a similar price point.
If not … many more users will switch.
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Where do you get that to mean it was designed by listening to forum comments? If it has no central assist points and it is all numbers 18,8,19 then that has nothing to do with forum commentators and everything to do with marketing that have probably never taken a shot in their lives.
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nostyle Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Yep. Marketing for gearheads.
I think this thing will be a POS, and I think that Canon’s driving more nails into their coffin.
I wish they would innovate.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
If they were marketing for gearheads it wouldn’t be a 18MP 1.6x crop.
Those high MP counts are aimed at the “Debbi Digitals” and other neophytes who don’t know any better.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
I wanna git my hans on a fuggin’ 7D ovah heeere!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Assuming an APS-H sized sensor at 18MP is what gets released that means that the FF equivalent pixel count would be 30MP (assuming pixel pitch and size remain constant). That’s a load of horse crap CANON. What in the hell is wrong with you? This better be a full frame camera…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Are you HIGH?? That would mean this alleged 7D would have less resolution than 5DmkII. 18MP is suitable for APS-C and only just suitable for APS-H.
FF @ 18MP?? Forget it! Did you know that the 5DmkII has 21MP?? That would give you a hint if nothing else!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I like it!. Both 7D and the 15-85mm.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Henry’s Cameras in Canada has this message on their home page:
‘Watch this space for an incredible announcement coming early next week!’
http://www.henrys.com
I hope it’s more incredible than what we’ve seen so far.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
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The megapixel race is still on!!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
If Canon get’s this camera right, it will have huge impact on the DSLR market.
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Jenny Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
It will be a world-changing event.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
It will be a galaxy changing event
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Fred C. Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
The Kodak Disc camera rocked my world, an nothing is changing that….
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moreover Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
it will be a multi-verse changing event! all parallel universes will feel the impact, even those in which canon doesn’t even exist!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Canon goes back to the future
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I love Direct Print Buttons!! Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Don’t turn on the particle accelerator!!!!!!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
What about the camera next to it in the image, it like the image is repeated but it appears blury and smaller.
Bad photoshop?
Another camera?
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Dual Digics + Dual Direct Print buttons.
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Kovacs Gergely Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
+1 :D
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fotoray Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
there are two direct print buttons – one for color and one for B&W
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Kovacs Gergely Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
And one for each dead pixels too?
Then I’ll buy one!
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Javier - The last picture Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Lol!!!
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I love Direct Print Buttons!! Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:22 am
We need more Canon!!!!!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
YES!!!!!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
ISO 6400 is the nominal sensitivity, like 5d MKII………..12800 and 25600 are the forced settings….H and H2………
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That sucks... Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Yeah, hope its the nominal sensitivity. We need a clean 6400 as well as a usable 12800 and 25600.
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Why don’t they give us a crop factor already? C’mon Mr. CR Guy, give us more information!
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August 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Canon may name it “7D”, but to be ture, this camera is a “60D”.
A few evolutionary improvements over the 50D do not justify the xD name. And for this very reason, I can only consider buying the “7D” if it’s priced as an xxD camera.
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fotoray Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Rumors just a week ago had 7D and/or 60D coming out now. If the 7D descriptions to date all true, then what will be the specs of a 60D rumored now to come out in February? With new EF-S lenses coming out all the time, Canon is strongly supporting the APS-C/1.6 crop format. It seems that the 60D specs would have to be between those of the 50D and the new 7D – but with what features, and at what price?
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
awesome! one less person in the waiting line.
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That sucks... Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Heres another person not waiting in line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
From the other leaked image (of the top of the camera) it seems that this camera (7D) will not have any scene modes (only M/Av/Tv/P/B and the like… no Landscape/Sport/portrait et al.) so there you have another reason to wait for the 60D :-P
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
At first I thought the same thing as everyone about the ad poster being the same poster twice, just not cut in half yet. But go check it out again, notice where the Chinese writing starts over the first body, then where it’s starts over the 2nd body.
Hmmm…
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Anonymous Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Good eye…… maybe a 1.3 on one half and an add for e-fs crop mode like a second camera? Why oh why couldn’t take a pic of the entire thing……. =(
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
No, it is just warped perspective.
They are the same.
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Anonymous Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
That is probably due to perspective distortion. Similary is also the figure “7″ more straight. The photo was probably taken at close distance with a wide angle lens. It appears as the righthand side of the picture is farther away.
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August 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Hi guys,
I’m looking at that photo/poster/box and I see an 18mp full frame camera. 7D? Makes sense to me, as in the just released G11, a reduction in resolution to gain photosite sensitivity, hence low noise, dual processors to handle the high frame rates (Helped by the lower pixel count), new focus to appease those who think the 5D MKII is slow… That bottom left box looks like 100% FF to me… I also don’t see any parting line on the camera body upper surface where a “60D” would have a pop up flash. A clean ISO 6400 would rock your world. What do you think of that?
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theskunk Reply:
August 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
I think that would be awesome beyond belief. BUT it is not going to happen, since it is Canon. And sure as heck not for $1699!
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August 28th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Don’t you think maybe that $2K Sony has perhaps made them a bit nervous? Size wise, Canon is David to Sony’s Goliath… They would be wise to view them as a serious threat to their current position atop the camera manufacturing mountain. When you’re #1 the only thing bigger than your sales is the bullseye on your back. I know the new Sony 850 had me looking at their lens selection, and I’ve got a bag FULL of Canon glass. I like the Canon system, and am used to their gear, but I’m just a hobbyist and I’ll go where I think the best value is. Sony has Zeiss lenses that may be expensive, but are universally recognized as top notch stuff.
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August 29th, 2009 at 12:50 am
I can’t comment on the technical diagrams so I won’t. The “box” or “poster” shot I can comment on. From a design perspective, it has some problems and I’m calling fake.
1. The large “EOS 7D” – the D has imperfections on it in the bottom right corner of the D. Some of the bars don’t line up.
2. The “7D” on the camera just seems to “bright” to be an actual image of the camera.
3. The info squares with the Chinese script are wonky and show variable sharpness. I doubt this picture was take with an f2.8 lens, it’s more likely a cameraphone – so I call poor Photoshop…
Now don’t get me wrong. My wish / hope /desire for a 7D is huge – I just don’t think THESE picutres are the real deal.
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Annoym Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I tend to agree.
Also, with regards to the ‘info squares’, is it normal in Chinese advertising posters to have un-uniformed squares?
Some of the ‘info squares’ have borders, some don’t. Some have sharp corners, some have rounded corners. Some have thick borders, etc.
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Annoym Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Also, the body looks too squashed. Look at the angle of the shutter button, it’s too flat.
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Annoym Reply:
August 29th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
This looks a bit more realistic:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/ufiles/66/362266.jpg
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