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October 21st, 2009 Posted in Canon General
Vincent Laforet’s forbidden short!
You can check out the latest short film piece by Vincent Laforet from a Canon camera. This is the 1D Mark IV in action.
Yes, if you have this camera this is what your films will look like. (update: this sentence was a bit of sarcasm folks)
Vincent Laforet: http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/
cr
October 21st, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Great looking video, don’t really get the story but still was very well shot.
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October 21st, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I wonder why Canon asked Vincent to pull this video off Vimeo and SmugMug…
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twoeightnine Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 5:54 pm
They did it with Reverie too but then he was allowed to re-post it.
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5DMark2 Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Business behind the scenes…???
So many secrets are handled there…
And some of them are not really pleasant indeed
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Jeff Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Because he didn’t let Canon screen it before posting it. His pair were prototypes and Canon was worried about any weird artifacting or banding or jello showing up prior to their review that could possibly have been seen as a flaw.
They’ve had a chance to view it since and are okay with it. It’s basically them trying to protect themselves and try to prevent any flaws there might have been being seen.
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Me, and only me Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Nothing wrong with that. I work for a large multinational and we do similar, for no nefarious reasons just that if the wrong stuff gets out it can be almost impossible to go back.
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pm
..or any $5K camera, along with $30K of other gear, a pro crew of 20, and some actual talent.
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Nope Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Well not a Nikon….
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John Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Why not a Nikon?
We have yet to see Nikon’s capabilities on video.
PS
1. Canon users buy Nikon lenses to use with their Canon Cameras with adapters. Not the other way around.
2. I have 23 Canon Cameras and 30 lenses
3. I have 2 Nikon Cameras and 12 lensens,
so I love them both!
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zachwright Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
john they dont make adapters to fit canon lens on nikion bodys becuse of the mount diameter of ef lens
i am shure it would be a 2 way street were it possible
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John Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Yes, they do make such adapters. Just Google FD to Nikon converter (and/or adapter), EOS to Nikon converter or search ebay and you will find plenty of them (with additional lens to achive infinity focus, or without). In fact, I have a couple of them.
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zookee Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 am
It is the other way around… And keep on dreaming, John, about those numbers. One day they’ll be true :P
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John Reply:
October 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
My friend :P,
I dreamed a dream of this sort 31 years ago, when I bought my first Canon AE-1. Since then, I’ve managed to buy at least one camera/lens every year and now it’s “a dream came true”. So I’ll keep on collecting and you can keep on wondering… :-)
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Wow Vincent and Stu Maschwitz plus a ton of other people. Wonder how much it cost to get all these people to work on this? Pretty cool video.
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
love it… both the film and the quality of the film… wonder what the highest ISO setting he used was.
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Corey Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Someone in the comments on Youtube said 6400 for the entire thing which is amazing.
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Jeff Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:03 pm
He mentioned that at one point he accidentally had it on 12800 and it was good enough to be included, but it is 6400 otherwise.
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Technical results — great
Artistic results — meh.
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Nick Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 am
Go watch Transformers 2…
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WT Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:50 am
Ummmm…no thanks.
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Nick Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:34 am
Now go read about sarcasm:)
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VillageBoi Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Teehee, nice one!
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WT Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Man, you are bossy.
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Great demo. Stop whining about the lack of story or artistic quality, this was put together in 72 hours. I don’t think he had time to write a screenplay. The point of the video is to showcase the abilities of the camera.
True, though, even without lighting equipment, there’s still tons of money required for stabilizing gear and smooth focusing.
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Dougefresh Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Now, how would you know it was put together in 72 hours?
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c.d.embrey Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Go to vincentlaforet.com click on Blog and you will find: “Once again – we had very very little time to prepare. Just under 72 hours. And we were ALL busy working on other jobs as this economy seems to be awakening again.”
Lots of good/interesting info on the ‘net if you will just look.
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October 21st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I didn’t see any rolling shutter effects. Has canon implemented a global shutter in this camera?
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JoeCam Reply:
October 21st, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Not a global shutter but a much faster read time. Stu claims rolling shutter is not even an issue in this camera. Pretty sweet!
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Ed Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
If you understand the rolling shutter and what causes it, you can pretty well work around it.
The camera was generally mounted on a dolly or a stabilized rig, and there is really no panning, just cuts that make you think it was panning. This is normal for any pro movie, panning is just to difficult to get the best results and used sparingly if at all.
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October 21st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Yes, if you have this camera [and an artistic eye and a good bit of talent] this is what your films will look like. ;)
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October 21st, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Agree with some above posts.
It’s not only the camera at all.
It’s the whole thing: camera(S), lens(ES), Technique, ARTISTIC EYE and concept, a crew of 20+ people behind you, and lot of money to invest (or rent) in other VERY expensive equipment (more than the camera itself), production and post-production…
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5DMark2 Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 am
BTW, I like Reverie much more than this one (artistically talking)
Even when the image quality seems (and probably is) better in this last production -we haven’t seen the Full HD version yet)
But technical stuffs don’t make a movie, and even when I like this one, Reverie is much better in art, images and a bit on story.
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October 21st, 2009 at 9:09 pm
All I can say is I like what I see. Regardless of what was required to capture it, it was captured by a 1D mark IV. Enough said.
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October 21st, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Movie made no sense, but it looked cool.
I like that the kid had an old school Vision skateboard. I had one just like it back in the 90’s.
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DoIHaveAssBurgers Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I thought, “Nice skateboard…but how come it suddenly materialized in his right hand when he was holding it in his left hand before the cut to the shot where he threw it away.”
Some day I’ll learn to pay no attention to those things. If not, senility will be a blessed release.
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c.d.embrey Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
He may have had a crew, but he was lacking a script girl.8-0 Among other thing it is their job to take care of continuity.
Making films ain’t easy. 8-]
BTW owning a video camera does not make you a film-maker.
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October 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Great video, really not a hard story to follow, and a wonderful technical feat as well. But I’m still getting the 7D for now and waiting/saving for the Mk V. I like the idea of the dual layer, 63 zone metering in the 7D, that also takes into account color along with luminosity, which seems to be left out of the Mk IV. Now if Canon can evolve that metering system to also aid in tracking a moving subject going across the frame. Hopefully that will be seen in the Mk V, because, though I’m not a Nikon guy, their 3D color matrix metering and tracking system is awesome. But with that said, I’m still never going to buy Nikon.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 am
Terrible video, you think with all the talent and about 45 people working on it one can get a sense of a story here, but alas, that’s what happens when stills people make films.
I think the reason they pulled it out is the fact that they used Zeiss lenses…. canon is probably furious, as you know, Zeiss lenses are cheaper (and much better in my POV), lighter and smaller than the canon L primes…
Just a thought
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Carey Photography Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 2:51 am
How do you know they used Zeiss lenses? I didn’t see anything on Laforet’s site about using Zeiss lenses. And the story is easy to follow, guy skateboarding trips on his board, hits his head and has a crazy dream. Not hard to follow at all, and it wasn’t 45 people. I don’t get the hard artistic criticism this short is getting. It’s VERY easy to follow the story. But it’s really not about the story, it’s about the camera. Zeiss lenses or not, artistic style or lack there of, it’s a great camera.
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fotomik Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 3:12 am
It’s in the credits, along with all the other stuff used to make this: Dollies, Cinema Rigs, Gyro Stabilization Units and Monitors… Not to mention special add-ons (Magic Bullet) to FinaCutPro or whatever software this was all done in.
I bet Vincent can make jaw-dropping footage on pretty much anything. Especially with all the added hardware. It would be king of interesting to see what the 1DmkIV that he shot actually looked like. Might be rude awakening for some.
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c.d.embrey Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Redrock Micro http://www.redrockmicro.com/ is credited. They make camera rigs for the 5D MkII and others. Check-them-out, this ain’t as easy as it looks.
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GL2 Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 am
I’m surprised Laforet used non-Canon lenses to help make a demo video for a Canon camera. A camera to which he was apparently given pre-release access at that. I can understand Canon being a little miffed, although they still stand to benefit from the free advertising this video gives them.
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Yoav Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 am
I do agree it is a great camera, and it is good from time to time to comment on the film itself as a film, I think it is better to do an assembly of unrelated shots to showcase a camera’s performance than to try and compromise on a silly story that doesn’t evoke any kind of emotion but a little wonder of a waist of time and money(in my opinion that is).
With this kind of crew,(and probably budget) I would employ a young script writer or even a copywriter to come up with something better…
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Ed Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Show us yours, so we can compare.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 am
I actually thought this was less impressive as a demo of the camera’s capabilities than his 5D2 effort “Reverie.” I really wish they hadn’t color graded it. I prefer to see what the camera can do on its own.
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Yoav Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:00 am
I agree with you 100%
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October 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 am
NOCTURNE FULL HD
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October 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 am
REBATES available on BH!
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October 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 am
I found the clip interesting with the play of fear and sexuality in the night. The intensity of feelings runs hand in hand. I didn’t quite understand how the little girl fit into the situation though.
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Paul Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
His dream girlfriend?
I liked the shot. Consider the constrains they worked under- 72 hours from “Hey, we know you’re not expecting it but we’re sending you a camera!” to having a finished video.
First its finding enough people to pull the shoot off, and as he said, everyone’s already committed to something else, so this is a off-hours project. Take 12 hours a day for normal work, commute and stuff… you’re down to 36 hours. We can be generous and assume they started fully rested and went to bed right after the 72 hours… they’ll need at least 8 hours rest (say… after the first 40 hours, so they can work the last 24… Considerably less than the usual 18-24 hours slept within a 72 hour period)
28 hours. They had 28 hours to come together, organize a quick storyline, collect all the props AND do the post processing. And thats assuming they took the minimum time off their actual work.
Pretty good stuff if you ask me :)
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Paul Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Or, if you assume they’re “normal” and slept 6 hours a day, they had 18 hours to do the shot. Even more impressive :D
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mark Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 11:14 am
So, you want us believe that vincent never knew that this is coming? Vincent is canon’s ambassador. He probably is one of the beta tester of this camera. they might have done the shoot in 72 hours, but everything could’ve been arranged well in advance. canon knows marketing than anybody else
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Jeff Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
No, Vincent wants you to believe that he never knew this was coming.
“I had not expected to get the 1D MKIV until after the Photo Plus Expo. When I got a voicemail letting me know in a very unceremonious way that two units were waiting for me to try ”we need your shipping address” the message said – I was surprised. Canon did not have any plans to have me or anyone shoot anything this year in time for the announcement.”
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/
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Mark Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Oh yea….as an “Independant” reviewer, he is not gonna tell you his business with canon.If he was so “honest” in his blog about this, then why can’t he reveal the real reason for removing the video from his blog
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Jeff Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Because he didn’t let Canon screen it before posting it. His pair were prototypes and Canon was worried about any weird artifacting or banding or jello showing up prior to their review that could possibly have been seen as a flaw. It’s basically them trying to protect themselves and try to protect what comes out as official “Canon-dom”
Take off your tinfoil hat, it was a f**k up on everyone’s part (which is surprising, as he did the same thing on his movie for the 5Dii) so that’s why he doesn’t want to say why.
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MARK Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
ok…here comes my tin foil hat.
I am not questioning the expertise of Vincent. He is a good photographer, but certainly he knew this was coming. This camera must have been field tested by experts atleast for 6 months before release. And given his connections/position with canon, he might have been a beta tester too. Well, he is not gonna say that in his blog for obvious reasons.
Taking down the video must have been the conservative business decision from canon Japan.
Vincent would never do a pro video without getting the “go ahead” from canon. May be there is a conflict of interest between canon japan and canon US
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Jacobin Ve Lardina Saccun Reply:
October 26th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
That’s what tripped him up…
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Jacobin Ve Lardina Saccun Reply:
October 26th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I was referring to the little girl
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October 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 am
Man vs. machine, I think this guy could have easily taken a 5DII, 7D, or a couple of VIXIA HF S11 camcorders and produced the same thing. Oh I’m sure only those with an eye might have a comment about quality but in the end I don’t think this video says the 1d IV is that special. Post processing is the key to making video look good so if the 1d IV is just a tool to capture video for $5k + lens it seems the alternatives are just as effective imo.
A pro with experience can the basic equipment and make it look spectacular, just because some amateurs can afford this camera could they ever produce something like this.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I don’t know about all the above. I respect Vincent and his work as a photographer and now his toe in the pond of videography, but this film was done very arbitrarily. It’s kind of like, I need to be the first one to pull something off and get all the hype down my way for me and the camera. I guess, and only my opinion, if you truly want to respect the camera and this art form, then you wait for a full production model and have a good script as well. I have nothing bad to say about the camera, but more about the intentions that are implied with this production, then what is said. Sometimes, its what is not said, that says the most.
Peace.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Pretty impressive stuff – period! Those that whinge and whine about not ‘getting’ the story have -
1) Never written a story
2) Won’t ever write a story
3) Don’t own a camera
4) Never will – especially not this one
5) In a billion years won’t do short in 72 (well 28hrs)
6) Don’t even have any shorts of their own
7) I take back pointer ‘6′. They upload 19 second clips of their cat, on Vimeo, badly shot on a borrowed camera
Nuff said!
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WT Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
bs — I haven’t shot video in years, true, and never in 72 hours. But that doesn’t defend this short. It’s pretty much rubbish artistically. Sorry if it hurts you to hear that.
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Paul Reply:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
But art was not the whole point. The shot was about the camera- and the shots we got made ample use of existing lightning, panning and what not.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Yeah, it’s a great movie camera. I am a professional wedding photographer, who shoots stills not movies. I was ready to spend money on two of them, but if it’s not full frame, it’s not worth it to me.
I’ll wait for the 1Ds, but my concern is that Canon will make it 35MP and keep the current average ISO levels. I don’t need more MP, I need a FF high ISO camera, and only $60K investment in Canon glass and what seems a vain hope that Canon will finally get the message has kept me from moving so far.
Not impressed.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
First, let me say it’s a terrific video IMHO…far better than I or most of us could do.
That being said, I wonder if this isn’t part of the publicity stunt? Let’s face it…if you want a video or anything to go viral, what better way than to make it forbidden fruit? What’s the old saying…the forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest?
I honestly have to believe there was more coordination between V. Laforet and Canon than we are led to believe, esp. coming after their experience with Reverie.
Let’s face it: Reverie was huge in promoting the 5dii. V. Laforet is a favorite son of Canon. I don’t believe he would just be sent the cameras out of the blue like that. Plus, Canon had to know that if they give a new camera to V. Laforet, he was going to shoot a video with it.
Notice that Canon didn’t choose V. Laforet to preview the 7D; they wanted him to promote the new 1D4.
I also agree with what others have noted…namely, that while the camera is undoubtedly great, this video benefited immensely from all of the other peripheral video equipment, as well as post processing.
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Mark Reply:
October 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
+10000000.
but lotsa innocent souls still believe that he just got a courrier 72 hrs before the release and he decided to shoot a short.
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October 22nd, 2009 at 11:11 pm
the ISO performance was impressive, I had a chance to play with it at PDN
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October 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 am
“Yes, if you have this camera this is what your films will look like.”
And if you have gyros, steady cams, crew, producer, make up artist, stylist (hair and wardrobe), actors, focus pullers, Lighting gear, etc… I love how people think that playing indie film maker with these cameras will be “easy”.
Your films hardly will look like that doing it one man army style however you can achieve the same image quality (which is way different).
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October 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 am
Where’s the script?
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October 23rd, 2009 at 4:01 am
NOCTURNE for download in Full HD
the program for used for download is eMule
Nocturne.mp4
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October 24th, 2009 at 3:04 am
Yep great images
but whats wrong with a simple, 4 minute movie like this
where credits take up > 25%
With a crew and talent like that, things could have been more interesting.
Its a one man show, done by many others.
Still a great camera. And thats the only thing proven here
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October 24th, 2009 at 10:26 am
hi,
to be honest….boring….not very creative…action & trill is weak…….just nice pictures cut together.
Some scenes are too long others just without purpose.
People overrate vincent….a lot!
Google around….you will find movies of 16 year olds with mehr “juice”. Just sayin.
Alan
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October 24th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Love the film!
Very David Lynch-Like ;D
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October 25th, 2009 at 6:27 am
NOCTURNE for download in Full HD
the program for used for download is eMule
ed2k://|file|Nocturne_1920%20-%20Canon%20EOS-1D%20Mark%20IV_By%20Vincent%20LaFloret.mp4|206093231|F0F529CFB02B9FE68FFB7C689E5D9F0B|h=2BEZY3Q2VADJZXUBHWMBHJ2YNTHXZGHT|/
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October 25th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Technically it’s very good, though Reverie had more visual oomph.
Story wise, well that’s another story.
On a tight timescale though it’s very good, I really don’t know how people do stuff so quickly sometimes tbh.
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October 26th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Not a bad film…
I watched this on Vincent’s blog when it was still up.
Frankly, though, there’s one thing I don’t get: Why was the protagonist about to kiss that punk-style girl (until she morphed into that freakish dude)? I mean, he just bumped into her! What gives?
As for the few seconds of slow-motion (jumping over the wall, etc.), it’s obvious that Vincent switched to 720p60 for that. On a computer monitor, 1080p vs. 720p won’t really be a noticeable difference.
Good job, Messrs. Laforet & Maschwitz.
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