Comments on: Canon 2010 Roadmap? [CR1]

By: Koogle

Koogle — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:45:03 +0000

CANON buys NIKON… go watch CNN……!!!

By: Philippe

Philippe — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:43:55 +0000

I’ve used two bodies on many weddings this ending year and I would love to have better AF in there.
Center point AF is quite good, but not as precise in low light, as on a 1-series camera (1DsIII for comparison). I hope the newer AF in a 7D indicates, that non-1-series Canons will eventually get better AF. The outer AF points are very often unacceptably inaccurate, if you’re using fast primes where misfocus is visible right away.
….please Canon…. do it!

By: Blake

Blake — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:06:04 +0000

So that Canon can sell you a $700 WiFi grip?

By: Blake

Blake — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 19:05:37 +0000

Uh, have you noticed that the D3X currently has by far the highest DXOmark score of any DSLR? Its only fault is its price.

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 18:04:16 +0000

That’s probably the fluctuation of color cycles of the lights in the room. Shoot a longer shutter speed to avoid that. I think it’s 1/60th for most fluorescents.

By: Lindsay

Lindsay — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:38:29 +0000

“Going from 16MP to 12MP will increase S/N by just under 2 stops.”

*facepalm*

By: David

David — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 15:53:14 +0000

BS. I’ve used it on 3 weddings and it worked great.

By: Catastrophile

Catastrophile — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:47:09 +0000

5DII is a nice camera but the AF leaves a lot to be desired and you want it for weddings so make sure you won’t regret buying it b4 u do.

By: Dave

Dave — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:24:47 +0000

You’ve missed the point – the rumor is bullcrap

By: Josh

Josh — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:38:20 +0000

hey guys. 2010 seems like a BIG THING! O.o i’m using a 40D(memories) now im deciding to get a FF 5D mk II for shooting weddings starting to learn up some skills. do think it’s a good idea for me to get it around next year march? or just wait? i jsut cant wait to feel the 5D mk II =]

By: David

David — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:36:43 +0000

Snarky or not, I don’t agree with or like Nikon’s design philosophy over Canon’s and I don’t think it is a “better” philosophy (with the one exception being they make a fast FF camera and Canon doesn’t). If I did, I’d switch. The idea 12 MP is good enough is a part of Nikon’s design philosophy, and apparently your philosophy of what makes the best image quality, except the one camera they target at high end pros – which is kinda funny because they are admitting that image size is a factor of image quality for high end pros by making the D3x and contradicting the rest of their marketing propaganda about lower MP. My point about bringing up prints is that there is a lot more to image quality than overly magnified pixels. The end result is what matters. People keep repeating Nikon’s marketing propaganda that 12 MP is enough and claim Canon is not focusing on improving noise and low light ability, and I think neither of those myths are true.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:04:15 +0000

David – Completely agree but you turned the discussion now into what ultimately makes a better print. If that’s the point, I agree. Once you go into discussing what matter as a rendering medium like print, much of the noise issues get masked or hard to discern. For that matter, a 5Mipixel camera does just fine for average print sizes.

I’m not referring to DXO ranking. I’m referring to actual pixel peeping in shadows (yes, I pixel peep). I will look further into what DXO Mark is saying however. Even so, the point I’m making is about philosophy, not a specific camera comparison or analysis.

As your snarky “Enjoy your 12 MP’s” comment, no I don’t own a Nikon and in fact am a Canon shooter. Too bad the discussion ended up like that but appreciate the conversation.

By: David

David — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:16:03 +0000

Data doesn’t tell the whole story. You’re referring to DXO rankings, which they admit right at the top of their rankings:

“DxOMark Sensor measures only the RAW image quality of a digital camera; therefore, DxOMark Sensor is NOT an evaluation of overall camera image quality or performance.”

“Resolution is NOT factored into the DxOMark Sensor ranking.”

If I were to show you 8×10 prints taken with the D3 and the 5D2 you would not be able to tell us which camera made which picture. So a few more “points” scored off raw sensor data that does not factor in MP or other noise compensation by the cameras in the rankings is practically meaningless. What is not meanigless is that you can print bigger images off of Canon’s higher MP cameras than you can with Nikon. Nikon’s philosophy ultimately is not as good as Canon’s.

You want to limit your view of camera rankings to DXOmark raw sensor data, that’s your choice, but there’s a lot of factors that matter to end result image quality that you are ignoring, and Nikon is losing on. A car can have 20 more horse power over another, does not mean it will be faster in the end. Canon is whopping Nikon’s ass right now in actual end result image quality that factors in resolution.

Enjoy your 12 MP’s.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:48:37 +0000

Well, the data shows otherwise. The Nikon bigger sensor is superior in low light performance. Period. You can argue whether that advantage is significant or not but that’s a value judgement. It’s a pure physics analysis here.

Having said that, I would agree with you that Canon has clever mathematicians busy creating fancy algorithms to hide noise and that their super duper Digic processors have all the power to run those algorithms. This supports my assertion that the objective is more pixels and then use clever algorithms to hide away the inherent noise that accompanies this. Nikon basically says – big photosites produce a cleaner picture and 12Mpixel is an optimal landing zone for quality vs resolution. THAT is the philosophy that I believe it best.

This is no different that the early Mega Hertz wars of the PC industry. More Megahertz calls for a longer instruction pipeline which in turn calls for fancy instruction scheduling tricks. At the end of the day, Intel was wrong and the Megahertz wars are over. Canon is producing the Pentium 4 of the sensor market. Nikon is producing the better sensor technology.