Not for Photokina?
Over at [NL], they mention that the next full frame DSLR from Canon won’t come until October. That camera will be the EOS 6D, a smaller full frame camera that looks like the 7D at first glance. The camera is reported to come in at 22mp, the same as the current 5D Mark III.
As we’ve mentioned before, with the brisk sales of the 5D Mark II, Canon is already the number 1 seller in the $2000 full frame camera market.
No DSLR for Photokina? It’s possible. The last time I was there, Canon was only showing off the 60D. A solid camera, but hardly a show stopper.
An “entry level” Full Frame Camera
[NL] has posted a spec list of the rumored “entry level” full frame camera that will be announced for Photokina. This camera would take the place currently held by the 5D Mark II. It’s fairly close to what we have posted previously.
- Two different sensor specs received (thanks) for a ‘cheaper’ FF DSLR.
- One suggests an 18MP sensor and the other 22MP
- Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)
- 7D style AF system (19 pt) and VF LCD
- 7D metering
- Single Digic 5+
- 3.9 fps
- 3 inch LCD
- 51200 max ISO
- Below $2000 USD
Once again, we hear about a new “entry level” full frame camera being added to the Canon lineup in the fall. The specs for the camera have been quite broad, which is normal when there are various prototypes out and about. Below are the most talked about specifications, and probably the closest to the actual camera.
- 22mp (Same sensor as 5D3)
- 19 AF Points
- ISO 100-51200
- 3″ LCD
- Smaller than the 5D Mark II
- More Plastic than metal in the construction
- Pop-Up Flash (On at least one prototype)
- $1999 USD at launch
- Launched with a new non-L full frame kit lens (Undisclosed what the lens is)
- Compatible with full frame STM lenses
Lots more to come on this topic.
Another mention of a new and less expensive full frame camera from Canon for Photokina. We reported this a few times before here and here.
Specs mentioned include:
- Less weather sealing
- lesser AF system than the 5D3
While I don’t doubt a less expensive full frame camera in Canon’s future, I think most specs currently floating around will be of the wish-list variety. I would expect the camera to have the same 22mp sensor that is found in the 5D Mark III. After that , you can start knocking off about $1500 in “features” from the 5D3 to make the new camera.
The megapixel war is on
We were told a while ago about a big megapixel camera coming from Nikon, the date of the announcement was wrong, but it doesn’t appear the camera is.
Nikon Rumors is reporting a 36mp D800 coming in the next 30-60 days at a 99% probability.
Why does a Canon site care?
Lots of people speculated Canon was waiting for a Nikon announcement to decide how to proceed. If Nikon announces this camera and is able to delivery before the year closes out, I don’t think Canon has any choice but to respond in some way.
What about responding to a big megapixel camera with a small megapixel, high ISO performance full frame camera [here] & [here]?
What say me?
A lot of unknown and exciting things are swirling around that November 3, 2011 announcement in Hollywood. I can tell you truthfully that I have seen just about every possible scenario. What’s true? For the moment I don’t know.
I think EOS will evolve a lot in the coming 12 months, the business of digital SLRs has changed with the advent of video in the segment. I figured I’d offer my opinion on the line partially based on things I’ve been told and things that just make sense to me.
I’ll start at the top of the EOS lineup and work my way down.
By the way, Photokina is next September in Cologne/Koln, Germany. See you there!
*This is NOT fact*
I don’t think we’ll see this camera announced until 2012. I also see the amalgamation of the line has highly possible. If Canon has the technology to give big megapixels as well as frame rate. It makes no sense to produce two different bodies. I’m not sure if we’ve seen the last of APS-H, though I think it’s likely. I could see this body in the $5000-$6000 range.
5D Mark III/3D
The camera most of the planet wants to see announced and shipped now! I don’t think it’s likely to appear before the end of 2011.
If in 2012 the top tier of cameras is merged, there will be a price gap a 5D3/3D could move up to. Say, $3500. There could be a lot of advanced video features, big megapixels and an upgraded, but not pro body level AF system. I fully expect Canon to figure out a way to directly monetize the video features of DSLRs.
When? I’ve heard anytime between tomorrow and Photokina 2012.
One of the recent rumors has been the coming of a new full frame EOS body added to the lineup. It would be in the $2000 range. It would see a drop in megapixels from the 21 of the 5D Mark II and be solely designed for ISO performance. To meet the price point, I’d expect a modified 9 point AF (more crosstype sensors).
If the 5D3 moves up the latter in performance and price, a $2000 full frame camera at launch would be an industry first and a massive seller. Canon was the first company to break the $1000 price barrier with a DSLR, no reason they can’t do it again.
I can definitely see this as a possibility, though I’m not convinced of it yet.
*correction* The full frame Sony A850 launched at $2000 USD. Thanks for pointing it out.
7D Mark II
I think the 7D will make it all the way through 2012 and into 2013. What is there to improve on the camera? How do you really make it better enough to justify a new model? If Canon is spending a lot of resources on developing 3 new full frame sensors, I could see APS-C remaining relatively unchanged.
The biggest upgrade I think to the 7D will be a price drop over the next 12 months.
As with the 7D, there’s really no need to upgrade this camera. It will only be 2 years come Photokina, and the cycle of camera updates is slowing down.
It’s a good little camera that sells well. I think we’ll see it last into 2013.
More of the same here (a bit boring eh), I don’t see a new rebel in 2012 either. A domino in the APS-C line will have to fall before they all get an update. Using the same sensor in the 3 cameras is probably great for the bottom line. I can’t see them abandoning that mindset.
When Canon announces a mirrorless system, I think it’s going to be a standalone product. So it won’t be EF or EF-S compatible. I see Canon launching a unique product to their line, not more of the same. I think the low end of mirrorless cameras is a crowded world, especially with the rainbow of cameras Nikon just announced. So why add another bunch of cameras to the segment? I think the gold mine for Canon is convincing the North American market to buy a mirrorless camera. Their mirrorless camera. So it’s going to have to be different.
To be honest, I really have no great hypothesis of what they’re going to do. It’s something I’d have to think more on.
So that’s it, as of today, that’s the way I see the EOS lineup going. It’s based on some information I’ve received as well as some opinion.
I received two other emails today talking about what could be coming in October from Canon.
According to one of the emails:
Canon will be launching a new camera later in October. Already in production and described internally as a “Nikon-killer”, it is reportedly a camera with lower megapixels than might be expected for a new release, but with excellent dynamic range and ISO performance.
No one has come forward in the last while to say a new 1Ds Mark IV or 5D Mark III were in the immediate pipeline, for the moment this appears to be it.
The EOS 6D or similar
Received a vague bit of information that Canon could be readying a new entry level full frame camera. It would sit below any sort of 5D Mark III. It would not be the “mythical’ 3D.
The camera would be lower megapixel than the 5D Mark III. A Canon rep recently told the BBC that “fewer megapixels are better”.
I’m still getting some hints of an October announcement of some kind of DSLR, nothing seems difinitive though.
There is a suggestion Canon themselves don’t even know what they’re going to announce, if anything at all. The problem is not prototypes that aren’t ready, the problem is production. If there is an October announcement for a DSLR, I wouldn’t expect immediate delivery based on this information.