A Big Megapixel Discussion

[ewg963]

I'm satisfied with 22mp. Large enough to print big, Small enough to save some space.

Unfortunately the market place is in the driver's seat here and this camera is most likely geared for the landscape crowd.

You will have a nice 22MP camera or maybe slightly more when the 5DIV comes out.

You'll be waiting awhile for the 5DIV. Let's hope Canon will have a solution very soon...

[pierlux]

At last, proper rumours return!!! 

Agreed! 

Let's see what the 70 D sensor is going to be like, they are delaying it so long with respect to Nikon's D 7100 that hopefully it may mean a new tech sensor will be introduced with Canon's next camera which, according to rumors, should be just around the corner... that's why I'm waiting for it so eagerly. But I've no idea what this tech could be about, just shrinking the fab process from 500 nm to 250 or 180 or less is not enough to obtain considerably better DR, further innovation is mandatory. Could it be the use of something else instead of pure silicon for the CMOS (apart from Cu in back-end-of-line), like Intel did with its 45 nm process employing hafnium in their hi-k metal gate for a completely different purpose?

Well, I admit I'm ignorant in this respect, but I'm throwing this idea in with the hope that someone well-informed may contribute with some hint; as I said earlier, speculating is the most fun to me on Canon Rumors and learning from those technically skilled members here is the best part of it. I suspect that composite materials and composite nanostructures may represent the future of imaging sensors.

[gecko]

I don't think there is a lot of head room in the APS C format. Just how many pixels can you cram into that sensor size?

I calculated once that it would take over 46M pixels in a FF sensor to equal the density on the 7D.

And if you look at the sensor in the Sony RX100 - scaled up to FF, that around 150 MP.

[tiger82]

My 2 cents, large MP bodies appeal to landscape shooters so a smaller body is more appealing.  Nikon made the same decision with the D800 series.  Sports and photojournalist shooters need higher frame rates which is mutually exclusive from high megapixels.  If Vanon has any sense, a high MP camera will be in a small body.

[Greatland]

This is an interesting discussion...If this new medium format sized camera is not going in the 1DX type body then I suspect that it will be in the $4K price range?  Seems to me that if they get much beyond that they have the same problem that they have now competing with Nikon's D800, which clearly gets better marks than does the 5D MK III
I am more interested in what this new sensor technology, as applied to a replacement for my 1DX will look like, be, and cost....I mean, how many fps does a wildlife or sports shooter need, 20?  Or more??  I have seen DSLR technology come a long way in the last 10 years...and the current techology today, at the high end of the $$ scale, is pretty amazing...I guess it will be fun, if not EXPENSIVE, to see where it goes next.....we have seen what the latest lens costs are, $18K for the new Nikon 800mm and the 200-400 costing as much as the 600 II costs...oh well, I will be waiting....but I don't expect to see any replacement for the 1DX actually hit the streets before the end of 2015....thoughts??

[TAF]

OK, if they really want to impress everyone:

Either 34.56mp (4800x7200) or 56.62mp (6144x9216; extra credit for seeing why I chose the latter numbers).

ISO native to 102K (H2 is 408K); 12fps (24fps with the optional pellical mirror); Dual or Triple DIGIC 6 as required; high speed video mode (640x480 at 4800 fps).

Modified 1D body with dual battery compartments and built in thermoelectric cooler.

Less than 1 million yen.

I'd save up for that.

If they build it as a mirrorless at 750K yen, I might think about it.  And make those Leica folks jealous.

[expatinasia]

There seems to be an awful lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread, with many hoping it will be in a 5D-type body - especially as that could indicate a more affordable price as compared to a 1D ?.

Personally I cannot see that happening. The 1D S makes more sense from where I am sitting. They make a flagship studio camera to go along with the flagship sport / high fps camera, and then remove certain features to eventually get down to a 5D Mark IV.

If they do call the new Megapixel camera the 1DS or the 1DXS what will they call the new 1DX in end-2014 early 2015?

It's all good, no matter what.

[Pi]

There seems to be an awful lot of wishful thinking going on in this thread, with many hoping it will be in a 5D-type body - especially as that could indicate a more affordable price as compared to a 1D ?

Yeah, what do you think this is, Nikon? 

[paulrossjones]

AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHEAPER THAN THE 1DX OTHERWISE WE MAY AS WELL USE MEDIUM FORMAT DIGITAL

you obviously don't have a medium format! they are a pain in the ass to use, so far behind in technology. price isn't everything, i want it to do the best job it can, price isn't the most important factor for a big chunk of the market.

what i need as an advertising photographer is more speed, more iso and lots of megapixels. my p65+ has enough pixels, it just cant be used in many situations. if canon can release a decent high megapixel camera that can do iso 800 at 3-5 fps, they will own the high end of the market.

paul

[bardamu]

Releasing a 1-series big MP camera still wouldn't really solve the `problem' of enabling Canon to compete with the D800.  $3000 & $7000-$10,000 are different brackets altogether.  It depends how desperately Canon feels the need to do this.  Maybe they don't.  I'm guessing the 5D iv will have about 30MP, but that won't happen for 2 years or more surely.

And no way will Canon name the camera 1d-"excess".  Canon is a conservative company and that would not be conservative marketing.

Definitely one thing that is happening, and will continue to happen, in the camera market is more differentiation in FF options.  In 2003 Canon had only 1, in 2005 2, currently 3 (not counting the 1DC).  Clearly there will be more, probably an RX1-like camera, and more differentiation in 1 & 5 series bodies.  Whether this will suck one option out of the APS-C lineup, who knows, I doubt it somehow.

[Lee Jay]

Either 34.56mp (4800x7200) or 56.62mp (6144x9216; extra credit for seeing why I chose the latter numbers).

1920*3=5760

5760*1.6(crop)=9216

So it's the same pixel density as a 1.6 crop sensor with three horizontal pixels per output horizontal pixel in full HD video mode.

[M.ST]

RE to: AND IT NEEDS TO BE CHEAPER THAN THE 1DX OTHERWISE WE MAY AS WELL USE MEDIUM FORMAT DIGITAL

That make sense, because medium format cameras as my H5D-60 are much cheaper than the 1D X and everyone can afford such a camera. (big grin)

How much megapixels do you really need? Do you make printouts for big walls or big campaigns?

No DSLR can beat the image quality of a medium (mid) format camera. But the new professional big megapixel cameras from Canon and Nikon (not on the market yet) are very good.

[dhofmann]

How much megapixels do you really need? Do you make printouts for big walls or big campaigns?

Or do you ever crop?

[Rienzphotoz]

I'm satisfied with 22mp. Large enough to print big, Small enough to save some space.

+1

[verysimplejason]

Now I'll be happy when I see 6D Mark II with the same sensor technology as this future 1DS albeit at a lower MP, and 7D-like AF coverage with at least 9 cross-type current, 6D center point performance and priced just like 6D during initial intro.  I think for most of us, that's the real deal unless you're rich or you're earning money from photography.