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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #75 on: July 05, 2013, 08:22:36 PM »
You can not do a fair comparison between a m4/3 camera and a FF dslr (or APS-C). They are different beasts. A fair comparison would be micro 4/3 compared against Canon M.

Also going mirror less on a full frame camera does not necessarily mean that you have to have a tiny body. The body can be kept similar and the existing suite of lenses can be used. I have no doubt that eventually we will see mirror less FF bodies and that they will be using the same lenses.

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #75 on: July 05, 2013, 08:22:36 PM »

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #76 on: July 06, 2013, 02:49:31 AM »
... the Panasonic equivalent of a 70-200 2.8, the 35-100 2.8, weighs 13 oz.

That is a f/5.6 eq. lens. The closest comparison is the Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0, which is more than twice (!) the weight and the price of the equivalent 70-200/4 IS, longer, and not as good.

The m43 14-35/2 is 28-70/4 eq., and it is a heavy $2.3K monster. The overpriced Canon 24-70/4 IS looks like a bargain next to it, and it is considerably lighter and smaller, not to mention wider and better.

Exactly!
4/3 has in no way delivered on the promise of smaller, lighter or better lenses. Neither has APS-C. We know it is not possible for tele lenses where size is determined solely by entrance pupil, not by image circle. But manufacturers have also failed to deliver on the wide-angle side.
I will wait for a sony RX1-sized body with FF sensor and a number of tiny, native flange distance FF-capable primes with AF. I expect these pancake fixed focals between 20 and 80mm to be similar in size and cost to the excellent EF 40/2.8. plus a series of faster, somewhat larger and significantly more expensive "L" lenses, which will deliver Leica-M class image quality minus manual focus mechanics - at about 50% of current Leica M lens prices.

And i also expect a more compact 24-70/4 with short flange-back as hi-IQ kit lens. Priced at less than 1k.

It will come. Sooner rather than later. DSLRs are on the way out.

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #77 on: July 06, 2013, 10:52:29 AM »
Your needs or wants of today, aren't exactly your needs or wants of tomorrow.

Fact is... yes mirrorless cameras will make current DSLR obsolete... the keyword here is "current" DSLRs.

Most of you guys think that mirrorless will be evolving, but DSLRs will remain constant.

Thats like comparing todays laptop to a desktop of the late 80s or early 90s.
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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #78 on: July 06, 2013, 11:01:32 AM »
I will stay with full frame. That's how I first got introduced to photography in the 80ties - Pentax ME Super which I still have - and this what counts for me. And then perhaps a Fuji X100s which reminds me of me Canon QL17 which I also still have.
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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #79 on: July 06, 2013, 11:52:41 AM »
I will stay with full frame.

Is there a law telling mirrorless cannot be full frame?

Sounds also that there's law telling mirrorless must be too small to be convenient with big lenses.

After they change those laws, then mirrorless bodies start (slowly) replacing traditional DSLRs.

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #80 on: July 22, 2013, 08:34:31 PM »
... the Panasonic equivalent of a 70-200 2.8, the 35-100 2.8, weighs 13 oz.

That is a f/5.6 eq. lens. The closest comparison is the Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0, which is more than twice (!) the weight and the price of the equivalent 70-200/4 IS, longer, and not as good.

The m43 14-35/2 is 28-70/4 eq., and it is a heavy $2.3K monster. The overpriced Canon 24-70/4 IS looks like a bargain next to it, and it is considerably lighter and smaller, not to mention wider and better.

The aperture equivalences are only valid if you are interested in  equalizing narrow depth of field. Many people and most pros like a fast lens to be able to use  a higher shutter speed. The DOF issue in no way affects that.

As for the price of any lens, it is either worth it or it isn't. I would gladly pay $2500 each for the f2 Olympus lenses if they would focus quickly on an OM-D. Not only would I be able to shoot wide open at good shutter speeds in dim light but I would also have the advantage of being able to have two people in focus in the frame.

 Even though those lenses are large, the comparable lens in terms of true speed will never be made for a FF body.

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2013, 10:43:09 PM »
I will stay with full frame.

Is there a law telling mirrorless cannot be full frame?

Sounds also that there's law telling mirrorless must be too small to be convenient with big lenses.

After they change those laws, then mirrorless bodies start (slowly) replacing traditional DSLRs.
Take a look at the Leica M9 system. It is against the 'laws' that you have mentioned.
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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #81 on: July 22, 2013, 10:43:09 PM »

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2013, 12:37:25 AM »
... the Panasonic equivalent of a 70-200 2.8, the 35-100 2.8, weighs 13 oz.

That is a f/5.6 eq. lens. The closest comparison is the Olympus 35-100mm f/2.0, which is more than twice (!) the weight and the price of the equivalent 70-200/4 IS, longer, and not as good.

The m43 14-35/2 is 28-70/4 eq., and it is a heavy $2.3K monster. The overpriced Canon 24-70/4 IS looks like a bargain next to it, and it is considerably lighter and smaller, not to mention wider and better.

The aperture equivalences are only valid if you are interested in  equalizing narrow depth of field.

And noise. And AOV.

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Many people and most pros like a fast lens to be able to use  a higher shutter speed. The DOF issue in no way affects that.

Nothing else does. If you are not shooting with a phone or a P&S, you can choose whatever speed you want.

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As for the price of any lens, it is either worth it or it isn't. I would gladly pay $2500 each for the f2 Olympus lenses if they would focus quickly on an OM-D. Not only would I be able to shoot wide open at good shutter speeds in dim light but I would also have the advantage of being able to have two people in focus in the frame.

 Even though those lenses are large, the comparable lens in terms of true speed will never be made for a FF body.

"True speed"? What prevents you from getting the same DOF on FF?

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Re: Will Mirrorless Cameras Make Our Current DSLR Equipment Obsolete?
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2013, 12:37:25 AM »