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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2013, 01:06:27 PM »
The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.
Am I just not reading this right?,…are you referring to the current EOS 1Dx or a different 1 series body out in the wild somewhere?
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ah nah... his pieces of "infos" are always vague enough that they are most certainly true.

like "tomorrow the sun will rise".  no salt needed. :)

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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2013, 01:30:45 PM »
Could this be Canon's high MP offering?
Could this be Canon's D800 / A7R "competitor" in a $7.000 elephant body?

I just can't see too many ordinary people (i.e. not Canon die-hards) buying a ~$7K gargantuan body over the much smaller, cheaper $2300 Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels.   :-[

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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2013, 01:44:53 PM »
The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.
Eeehhh ... Have you seen something we haven´t seen? The only thing I have seen published so far is a rumor of a 1-series body that may be announced in Q2-14, no spec, no pictures, no .. nothing (?)
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2013, 01:44:56 PM »
Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels.   :-[

how do you know... the camera is not even announced.
what are the parameters for your likelihood calculations?   :)

is there a natural law that canon has to stay with the 500nm process and will not improve analog digital conversion etc?

my guess is..... at some point canon will have to do the jump to a new manufacturing process.
and for 40+ MP i guess canon HAS to do it.

there is a reason canon sticked to 22 MP.
imho it makes no real sense to increase pixel count to 40+ MP and stay with the current technology.

so i know as much as you do.. ;) but i think it´s more likely that canon will close the gap or even trump sonys sensors.

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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2013, 01:46:50 PM »
Could this be Canon's high MP offering?
Could this be Canon's D800 / A7R "competitor" in a $7.000 elephant body?

I just can't see too many ordinary people (i.e. not Canon die-hards) buying a ~$7K gargantuan body over the much smaller, cheaper $2300 Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels.   :-[
Well, obviously. I guess you missed the sarcastic touch in my text.

But yes, this is probably how Canon is going to market their high MP jump.

They will put the sensor in a big ass expensive 1D-body, and market it with words like "amazing, revolutionary, groundbreaking".
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2013, 01:59:49 PM »
The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Absolutely agree. Me too.

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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2013, 02:00:37 PM »
Canon always (and only) filters down tech from the top, see 7d->70d and so on.
Intersting.  So the Digic image processors aren't considered 'tech'...or maybe you have some other explanation for Digic4 debuting in the 50D, before showing up in the 5DII, 7D, 1D IV, and so on?   ::)

Indeed I have :-) ... I was writing of the usable features filtering down which are (mostly) based on hardware tech, but not always like your 50d example as the processor is an internal part that is transparent to the user unless harvested by the fw. If the Canon manufacturing schedule is set up in a certain way there might be a short "regression" that a less expensive camera gets a newer hardware part...

... but my observation stands that Canon generally tries to "include" the features of a less expensive camera in one line (mirrorless, crop, ff) in the more expensive one with one prominent exception: the swivel screen only in 60d/70d. Other than that, in dumb tech spec comparisons the expensive model is always designed to look inferior, observe what they did to some 6d specs in comparison to the 5d2.

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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2013, 02:24:17 PM »
Big MP camera. A little behind the schedule I thought they would do this. But only a few months.   :-)

I think they are going to lower the price on the 1DX simply because the 7DMKII is going to take some sales from it. If the most recent specs of the 7DMKII are somewhat true, I think the 1DX would be a tough sell without a price drop.  I think the 7DMKII is going to come in around $2800 and the 1DX will come in around $5500. An extra $2700 for FF, ISO performance, dual CF slots. better weather and the "flagship" sports camera? Yes. I think many people would pay that over the 7DMKII for those features.

I hope the new big MP camera just kicks ass and represents the new standard. It really must. Otherwise. I'll have to wait until I can justify MF. And considering how good my 5DMKII, or almost any FF DSLR under 7 years old, I'm in no rush.
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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2013, 03:10:30 PM »
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I think this rumor is pure mystery meat.

I suspect IF Canon announces a new high-end body next year, it will be something entirely different from a conventional 35mm-equivalent DSLR. The 1Dx of next year will be the 1Dx of this year.
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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2013, 03:40:45 PM »
I'd be a lot happier if they just announced they had the 1Dx working correctly. My first 1Dx is currently back in Japan at Canon Inc, I got a loan body through CPS (came from Germany) and it was the same, I then got a brand new body courtesy of Canon UK and it exhibits the same problem.

The 1Dx has an inherent problem with lubricant splashing onto the sensor, probably 90%+ of its users (Press and Sports togs) won't be aware of the issue because unless you are shooting above F11 and with a good portion of sky or uncluttered area in the image or so you probably won't see the problem. I had the sensor on the original body cleaned about 5 times in around 8 months and every time I used it thereafter the problem reappeared within a very short space of time. I thought that it was 12fps that was causing the problem however the new body I have has not been used at 12 fps as yet and it is exhibiting the problem after less than a thousand shutter activations.


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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2013, 03:42:40 PM »
The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Absolutely agree. Me too.


 ??? ???based on what?
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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2013, 04:12:25 PM »
I find the timing a bit off. 2014 Winter Olympics' on February could've used it and the World Cup's on June.

If an announcement were to be made it should've happened last month.

For reference here are the announce dates of the 1DX and 1D4. They are separated by 24 months.

xx October 2013 = 1DX replacement... supposedly
18 October 2011 = 1DX
20 October 2009 = 1D4

Another thing going against new hardware is the firmware update of the 1DX & 1DC that adds new functionality to the camera. Firmware 2.0 will be released by January next year and probably extend the product life by a good year or two.

This has precedent with the 7D. Firmware 2.0 happened to the 7D on 6 August 2012 while the hardware was announced on 1 September 2009.

It would surprise a lot of people that the 7D has been in production for more than 4 years!
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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2013, 04:29:57 PM »
The new EOS-1 body is amazing and a big step over the 1D X. I like it.

Absolutely agree. Me too.


 ??? ???based on what?

Agree with the question, these comments on this thread are either wind up merchants or wind up merchants.
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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2013, 04:32:41 PM »
Could this be Canon's high MP offering?
Could this be Canon's D800 / A7R "competitor" in a $7.000 elephant body?

I just can't see too many ordinary people (i.e. not Canon die-hards) buying a ~$7K gargantuan body over the much smaller, cheaper $2300 Sony A7R, which in all likelihood will still have better DR, probably also better noise performance if the new Canon sports >40+ Megapixels.   :-[

Well one thing definitely comes to mind --- sony has little to no glass, yeah you can use an adapter, but adapters tend to be a trade off...so there goes a lot of your IQ.  A studio model 1d series body would have the definite advantage just in range of glass options
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Re: EOS-1 Announcement Q2 2014? [CR1]
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2013, 04:34:53 PM »
I find the timing a bit off. 2014 Winter Olympics' on February could've used it and the World Cup's on June.

If an announcement were to be made it should've happened last month.

For reference here are the announce dates of the 1DX and 1D4. They are separated by 24 months.

xx October 2013 = 1DX replacement... supposedly
18 October 2011 = 1DX
20 October 2009 = 1D4

Another thing going against new hardware is the firmware update of the 1DX & 1DC that adds new functionality to the camera. Firmware 2.0 will be released by January next year and probably extend the product life by a good year or two.

This has precedent with the 7D. Firmware 2.0 happened to the 7D on 6 August 2012 while the hardware was announced on 1 September 2009.

It would surprise a lot of people that the 7D has been in production for more than 4 years!

if the focus of this new camera is more on quality vs quality (larger Mp's, larger files, slower frame rate's), then this may not be the camera for sports --- the 1dx would still reign at the top.  My guess for a new sports body we're talking closer to summer olympics, 2016
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