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10D, 100D or 700D body/lens/flash combo for 'cuteness' and usability?

10D/24-105L/580EX
100D/24-105/built-in flash
700D/24-105/built-in flash
Other combo

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 06:55:19 PM »
In all honesty, the only opinion that matters is your wife's...

+1000. Take it from a guy who's been married three times. Your used cast-offs are not an acceptable gift. Get her a new camera and lens kit that is her's and her's alone. Even a 1Dx would be a bargain in comparison to the path you'll be heading down if you dust off some 10 year old camera and hand it to her.
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 06:55:19 PM »

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2013, 12:44:36 AM »
In all honesty, the only opinion that matters is your wife's...

+1000. Take it from a guy who's been married three times. Your used cast-offs are not an acceptable gift. Get her a new camera and lens kit that is her's and her's alone. Even a 1Dx would be a bargain in comparison to the path you'll be heading down if you dust off some 10 year old camera and hand it to her.

+1001 Wiser words may have never been spoken. lol

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2013, 12:51:38 AM »
Main use will be shooting at parties

I already have a number of spare Canon lenses and was thinking of donating my 24-105L to her and thus limiting the financial outlay to 'body only'. It would also have better IQ than any of the 100D/700D kit lenses.

Yes, the 24-105L would have better IQ wide open than the 18-55, although not as much better as you might be thinking.  Not sure if 100D + 18-135mm STM kits are available where you are (they aren't in the USA but since you call it the 100D and refer to IXUS P&S, I infer that you're not in the USA) - that kit lens actually delivers better IQ at the long end than the 24-105L, even giving the 24-105L the benefit of stopping down to f/5.6 (TDP comparison).

The real issue with the 24-105L is that on APS-C it gives a FF equivalent of 38mm.  Not sure which IXUS she has, but most of the recent ones start at 28mm or even 24mm FFeq…I'm not sure she'd be happy giving up the wide angle, particularly since you mention indoor use. 

So, my vote goes to a 100D body (for the small size) and either the 18-135mm STM lens, the 18-55mm STM lens for cost savings, or if you want to splurge and one-up the Joneses, the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS which gives better low light performance and IMO is the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.

I was thinking almost exactly what neuro said except I didn't consider the 17-55 upgrade.  I also agree with K13X5C.  Get her something new that is hers and let her show it off and get a real thrill out of using it.  And help her with it often so you can be her resident expert.  Compliment her on her work.
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2013, 01:39:22 AM »
Main use will be shooting at parties

I already have a number of spare Canon lenses and was thinking of donating my 24-105L to her and thus limiting the financial outlay to 'body only'. It would also have better IQ than any of the 100D/700D kit lenses.

Yes, the 24-105L would have better IQ wide open than the 18-55, although not as much better as you might be thinking.  Not sure if 100D + 18-135mm STM kits are available where you are (they aren't in the USA but since you call it the 100D and refer to IXUS P&S, I infer that you're not in the USA) - that kit lens actually delivers better IQ at the long end than the 24-105L, even giving the 24-105L the benefit of stopping down to f/5.6 (TDP comparison).

The real issue with the 24-105L is that on APS-C it gives a FF equivalent of 38mm.  Not sure which IXUS she has, but most of the recent ones start at 28mm or even 24mm FFeq…I'm not sure she'd be happy giving up the wide angle, particularly since you mention indoor use. 

So, my vote goes to a 100D body (for the small size) and either the 18-135mm STM lens, the 18-55mm STM lens for cost savings, or if you want to splurge and one-up the Joneses, the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS which gives better low light performance and IMO is the best general purpose zoom for APS-C.

I was thinking almost exactly what neuro said except I didn't consider the 17-55 upgrade.  I also agree with K13X5C.  Get her something new that is hers and let her show it off and get a real thrill out of using it.  And help her with it often so you can be her resident expert.  Compliment her on her work.

Another +1 for Neuro's suggestion.  I'd also like to second the "EOS M" suggestion as it was the very first thing that popped in my head.  Buying the "full kit" of the EOS M + 22/2 (for low light) + 18-55 + 90EX flash sounds PERFECT for her uses, IMO.  And if you're in the US can be had for $400.  That's a LOT of bang for the buck as the IQ from both of those lenses is OUTSTANDING, the kit is compact and the entire package is quite versatile.  If the 40mm f/2.8 STM is desired, it can be added along with the adapter for less than $250.

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2013, 01:54:33 AM »
Have you thought about a 5Dc? with a 24-105L that is a good combo and if you and trying to keep up with the jones, it is also a really good combo for that too. I am not sure it is the best choice but it is something to think about. But it is a bigger camera but I am guessing she has used a camera that size before bc my guess is that is what you are shooting with size wise. But the problem with it and the 10D is the screen size. It stinks to try and show people picture on a screen that size nowadays. I would rule out the 10D bc of the screen.
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2013, 04:10:48 AM »
A 60D and a 17-85mm

Considerably better IQ than your 10D, it's got a swivelly screen, the range of the 17-85mm is useful and it's a lot lot smaller than the 24-105 and it's still usm. also the 60D has the extra dials & wheels to make functions a little more accessible than the 100/700. it also does in camera vintage/cross processing/black and white/grain.

and it looks sweet, which is the main issue.

in fact I might buy one myself.
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2013, 04:54:51 AM »
The 100D is a really nice camera. Even I was playing with the idea of buying one, simply because it is so small, but still a DSLR (I went with the 70D instead, a lot more to carry arround, but also more features). I would not pair it with the 24-105, this lens would simply be an overkill for the 100D body. But luckily there are many options for a starter lens. The kit lens is quite okay, but usually the first lens that gets kicked out of the lineup. So I would go for another option. I'm very happy happy with my Sigma 17-70 f2,8-4 C; more reach than the kit lens, macro function, faster aperture, and (probably more important for your wife than for you) it looks great.

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2013, 07:02:38 AM »
In all honesty, the only opinion that matters is your wife's...
+1000. Take it from a guy who's been married three times. Your used cast-offs are not an acceptable gift. Get her a new camera and lens kit that is her's and her's alone. Even a 1Dx would be a bargain in comparison to the path you'll be heading down if you dust off some 10 year old camera and hand it to her.

+1000  :)

In an ideal Canon world, it would be so easy to answer this with "EOS-M2"...
  • very compact, "cute" and cool body ... depending on wife's colour preference in black, white or red ;)
  • sensor with very decent IQ ... in good light
  • good-IQ lenses available, compact and reasonably priced, especialy in kit
  • compact 18-55 kit-zoom with IS and even more compact, "cute" 22/2.0 WA prime
  • highly intuitive user-interface including touch screen
  • built-in WIFI, sharing of images possible, depending on how Canon has implemented it
BUT ... unfortunately this is ... Canon. EOS-M / M2 are no option, because ...  :'(
  • M2 not for sale in US, Europe and most of Asia
  • M (and M2 probably as well) AF performance not sufficient for intended primary shooting situation - social pics, mainly indoors (=usually low to very low light, people typically moving)
  • No built-in flash; separate flash unit no enticing option here
:'(

Therefore I'd go with SL-1 with 18-55 STM or possibly 18-135 STM if it's got to be a Canon and a DSLR.
EF-S 17-55/2.8 is a great lens (use it as my primary lens myself), but too heavy and big (basically same size as 24-105L) to be a good choice in this scenario.

Nikon1 J3 might be an even better choice. Small, very "cute", very good AF-performance, built-in flash, IQ "more than good enough" for intended purpose. Dirt cheap. WiFi available via WU-1b plug-in wart.

Or Sony 100RX II. Very compact & light, decent lens, decent IQ for intended purpose, flash and WiFi on-board. Might take convincing of wife and Jones' that it is not just another el-cheapo P&S cam, though. :-)
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2013, 08:00:36 AM »
Have you thought about a 5Dc? with a 24-105L that is a good combo and if you and trying to keep up with the jones, it is also a really good combo for that too. I am not sure it is the best choice but it is something to think about. But it is a bigger camera but I am guessing she has used a camera that size before bc my guess is that is what you are shooting with size wise. But the problem with it and the 10D is the screen size. It stinks to try and show people picture on a screen that size nowadays. I would rule out the 10D bc of the screen.
Oh, no. :-X Another recommendation for 5D classic for people who have no experience with DSLR and want to do household photos. :-[ I can not imagine a woman giving up live view, video, small size and weight, large and clear LCD, SD memory cards, etc. :-* :'(
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2013, 09:01:55 AM »
Your wife is coming from a point and shoot; she is not accustomed to changing lenses, keep that in mind. Like others have said buy it new. The last thing you want your wife to do with her brand new DSLR, is to have focusing problems, think non-cross type AF points, and having to change lenses; 18-55 + 55-250 (stupid idea).

You want your wife to have a stress free and enjoyable experience with her new DSLR, so the only real option is the 700D (T5i) and the 18-135 STM. And if her friends all have cool DSLR's, you don't want her to show up with an under-sized EOS-M type camera.

The 700D is all cross-type AF points, I am assuming your wife will be in the auto mode (green rectangle) quite a bit (no matter what AF point the camera chooses, it will be a cross type AF point), and the 18-135 STM has very good image quality and focuses extremely fast.  The 18-135 STM is a much better lens, IQ wise, focusing speed, silent AF and IS operations, when compared to a lens with an even greater focal range like the 18-200.

This combo, 700D + 18-135 STM, is going for $908.00 at B & H right now.  If she desires to be more creative with her photography in the future, you can always pick up a cheap prime, when and if that situation ever occurs.

That is my .02 worth. Good luck!

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2013, 09:11:48 AM »
100D with a 18-135mm.

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2013, 10:44:46 AM »
Do you know what her friends have ?

I  had the mistake of giving my wife my old stuff (after upgrading) and I agree with the other posters....DON'T do it.

It seems 100D with kit lens would be ideal specially. But then again, like what others said, it realy her opinion that matters.
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2013, 11:23:21 AM »
M (and M2 probably as well) AF performance not sufficient for intended primary shooting situation - social pics, mainly indoors (=usually low to very low light, people typically moving)
I'm guessing you've either never used the M and are drastically underestimating it's AF abilities or you've never hung around married women in a social situation and are overestimating their level of activity.

Most women get by just fine with a P&S or camera phone in this situation, the AF on the M is superior to either of those, even with the 22/2 which is great for low-light indoor pics (I should know, I use it for my 16 month old daughter).
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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2013, 12:04:36 PM »
M (and M2 probably as well) AF performance not sufficient for intended primary shooting situation - social pics, mainly indoors (=usually low to very low light, people typically moving)
I'm guessing you've either never used the M and are drastically underestimating it's AF abilities or you've never hung around married women in a social situation and are overestimating their level of activity.

Most women get by just fine with a P&S or camera phone in this situation, the AF on the M is superior to either of those, even with the 22/2 which is great for low-light indoor pics (I should know, I use it for my 16 month old daughter).

AF on the EOS M is a dog and definitely not superior to anything. Good P&S cameras like the Sony RX100 II run circles around it. Of course also helped by the smaller sensor and its wider DOF.  And Nikon 1 AF beats EOS-M by miles, it can track moving subjects, M cannot.

"taking pics at parties" is what the TO mentioned as main use for wife's cam. While we don't know how mild or wild those parties usually are  ;D ... I would definitely not recommend an EOS M as the best camera "to take pics at parties".

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Re: 10D, 100D or 700D?
« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2013, 12:22:42 PM »
Again, it's pretty obvious you haven't used it

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