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Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« on: May 16, 2017, 03:44:07 PM »
Over the last couple of months we have received a lot communication about a full frame Canon mirrorless camera. This sort of talk has come and gone every since Sony entered the segment with the a7 series of cameras.

Here’s a breakdown of what we’ve been told, please mind the [CR1] rating. Some of these talking points could be considered plausible.

  • The goal is to announce a full frame mirrorless camera for Photokina 2018 which takes place in September of that year.
  • EF mount will be native
  • New exclusive image sensor for the camera.
  • New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application
  • There will be no new “dedicated” lenses, but mirrorless will be “considered in all future EF lens design”
  • 4K video is considered a necessary feature in all full frame cameras going forward
  • One full frame mirrorless camera body to start
  • There is testing at Canon of a more hybrid approach between DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras. What that looks like we don’t know.

We’ve received other information beyond what’s posted here, but most of it didn’t quite fit.

Some of this information can be backed up with some patents over the last 12-24 months and we have no doubt a full frame mirrorless camera from Canon is coming. However, we’ve always said EF lenses would have to work on the camera “natively” and that there won’t be another line of lenses developed for this application.

More to come…

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Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« on: May 16, 2017, 03:44:07 PM »

DannyPwins

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2017, 03:55:54 PM »
Can't wait  :D

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2017, 03:58:24 PM »
"New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application"

that wouldn't be required not including DPAF which already exists.  unless they are making DPAF into QPAF for horizontal / vertical shooting.

this would only be required if you were going shorter than the EF mount.

"There is testing at Canon of a more hybrid approach between DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras. What that looks like we don’t know."

I'd have to assume the hybrid OVF / EVF approach?

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2017, 04:09:27 PM »
The goal is to announce a FF MILC in 16 months. Heady stuff indeed ;D

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2017, 04:13:37 PM »
"New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application"

that wouldn't be required not including DPAF which already exists.  unless they are making DPAF into QPAF for horizontal / vertical shooting.

Yeah, I'm guessing it's AF related. Canon may not be comfortable equipping their FF mirrorless with "just" a current-generation DPAF or an evolutionary upgrade thereof.

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 04:16:16 PM »


this would only be required if you were going shorter than the EF mount.


That's what I immediately thought too.   Some sort of lens in the sensor stack to reduce the FFD? 

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 04:29:29 PM »
Over the last couple of months we have received a lot communication about a full frame Canon mirrorless camera....Here’s a breakdown of what we’ve been told...

Interesting. Some semi-random thoughts:
 

  • The goal is to announce a full frame mirrorless camera for Photokina 2018...I wonder if this means the 7DIII will be announced earlier in 2018
  • EF mount will be native. No surprise there.
  • New exclusive image sensor for the camera.Exclusive at the time of release, or exclusive, as in it won't be used by other bodies? Given that this would arrive mid-life cycle for the 1D 5D and 6D and the 5Ds is by design an exclusive sensor, this could mean nothing, or it could mean something.
  • New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application. Don't understand why it would require a new sensor technology.
  • There will be no new “dedicated” lenses, but mirrorless will be “considered in all future EF lens design” No surprise here.
  • 4K video is considered a necessary feature in all full frame cameras going forward.or here.
  • One full frame mirrorless camera body to start or here.
  • There is testing at Canon of a more hybrid approach between DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras. What that looks like we don’t know. or here.

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 04:29:29 PM »

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 04:37:11 PM »
Eye AF-tracking  Mr. Canon ;)

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 04:55:14 PM »
Oh, there's so much disappointment ahead I can almost hear it from the future.

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 05:11:31 PM »
Hoping for...
No mechanical parts in the shutter design.(like Sony)
Detachable Hi-Res EVF
CFast + SD
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High capacity battery
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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 05:27:14 PM »
CR1    ::)

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
  • New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application. Don't understand why it would require a new sensor technology.

Maybe they are working on a faster sensor readout. Most mirrorless cameras are  slow to update the display, which makes them useless for action.
They could also be working on a better way to clear the sensor. The current options are closing the shutter, clearing the sensor, and opening the shutter for the shot; or EFC which limits DR and creates other artifacts. Neither solution is optimal.

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »
Not bad. Don't really care if it's mirrorless or not as long as it takes all my ef lenses and no worse than the pdaf-based Canons.

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 06:12:15 PM »

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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 06:34:29 PM »
It takes at least two years for a design to be executed once the features have been frozen.  Unless Canon has that new sensor developed to the point where they know it can be built, and will work, it will likely be 3 or more years away.

I'd certainly welcome the demise of the mirror, or even their hybrid approach as outlined in several patents.  The hybrid mode gives the photographer choice of OVF in mirror mode, or EVF in mirrorless mode.

Getting high AF and tracking performance along with a decent view finder have been the big challenges.  The cost to develop such a camera may result in a higher price.

Canon has pretty obviously been working on the issues, their recent patent to overcome problems with light loss near edges and corners with DPAF technology shows that.


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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 07:44:30 PM »

Getting high AF and tracking performance along with a decent view finder have been the big challenges.  The cost to develop such a camera may result in a higher price.


Canon's Cinema cameras have excellent EVFs, along with high AF and tracking performance.  So they already have all the technology needed here.  Like Sony (and Panasonic), they've been making cameras with EVFs for decades, and just need to commit to cramming it all into a tiny, mirrorless body.
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Re: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless Talk [CR1]
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