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Title: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Marine03 on October 17, 2012, 10:25:02 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: crasher8 on October 17, 2012, 11:33:24 PM
The way the 5D2 kit is selling (and get them while you can) I'd go for one of those. Get your body and sweet glass all at the same time. Have you considered the CLP?
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Marine03 on October 18, 2012, 12:01:33 AM
The way the 5D2 kit is selling (and get them while you can) I'd go for one of those. Get your body and sweet glass all at the same time. Have you considered the CLP?

CLP is a sweat deal and I'd have no problem getting one through them, however as capable as I know the 5D2 is, I'm just hung up on the idea of buying a 2008 camera, just like I'd hate to buy a 2008 car when I can have a 2012.... retail it doesn't make alot of sense however if I can't wait CLP is a great way to make it happen have save lots of money.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Menace on October 18, 2012, 02:23:26 AM
6d would be really nice however you may not get the best out of it without good glass - so lens upgrade would have to be sooner than later  ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Zv on October 18, 2012, 03:09:50 AM
Nothing wrong with the 5D mk II, works just fine in this new day and age! But I see your point, 6D looks like it might be the way to go though the AF isn't really much of an improvement over the 5D mk II.

It might be better to get the good glass first - you could still use it with the 450 and you could be taking some great pics while you save up for the full frame body. And by that time the bugs will be ironed out of the 6D!!
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Tcapp on October 18, 2012, 03:20:40 AM
The way the 5D2 kit is selling (and get them while you can) I'd go for one of those. Get your body and sweet glass all at the same time. Have you considered the CLP?

CLP is a sweat deal and I'd have no problem getting one through them, however as capable as I know the 5D2 is, I'm just hung up on the idea of buying a 2008 camera, just like I'd hate to buy a 2008 car when I can have a 2012.... retail it doesn't make alot of sense however if I can't wait CLP is a great way to make it happen have save lots of money.

I don't know about you, but I would go for the 2008 car. Buying new is the best way to lose money. Especially if the 2008 model does everything you need and has just as smooth a ride.  :D

Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: verysimplejason on October 18, 2012, 03:21:21 AM
Sell everything except flash and start with a 6D + 24-105mm F4L.  You can invest on other lenses later.  If you're a wedding photographer, the next investment for you will be an 85mm.  You'll also need a basic strobist kit.  You can refer here: strobist.blogspot.com.  It's very very cheap to invest on one.  You don't need that much.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: DV333 on October 18, 2012, 03:29:56 AM
I had a 30D then 60D (fail at life for thinking their alike). When I got the 60D I wanted better glass. Got a 24-70, 17-40 and 50 1.4. Yet IQ was still lacking. Got a MKIII and now I feel like I'm getting full IQ. I've also heard that MKIII's lens correction is like magic and even with non-L still performs. So my point is: EVEN with Good-Great Glass Sensors still play a large roll in IQ. BTW it was nice to have FF body after having L glass but don't know if I'd do it the same now knowing.  :)

PS Dont know MKII has Lens correction.....
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: verysimplejason on October 18, 2012, 03:39:21 AM
I had a 30D then 60D (fail at life for thinking their alike). When I got the 60D I wanted better glass. Got a 24-70, 17-40 and 50 1.4. Yet IQ was still lacking. Got a MKIII and now I feel like I'm getting full IQ. I've also heard that MKIII's lens correction is like magic and even with non-L still performs. So my point is: EVEN with Good-Great Glass Sensors still play a large roll in IQ. BTW it was nice to have FF body after having L glass but don't know if I'd do it the same now knowing.  :)

PS Dont know MKII has Lens correction.....

If you shoot raw (which is what I always recommend), all 4 Lens aberration correction can be done later in the post through DPP.  It doesn't matter if it's MKII or 3.  It's easy and fast.  You can also just copy the recipe and apply to all files.  You'll only have problems if you shoot JPEG.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: mariusx1 on October 19, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
Overall, good glass is going to be a better long-term investment, but body upgrades are a fact of life.  Unfortunately, you have to do both at the same time. One possible path is to do a modest body upgrade now (T4i?, 7D?) and put the rest of your money into some good lenses (85mm f/1.8, 24-105mm f/4, etc). That'd improve your shots all around and would still give you better ISO performance, AF, FPS, etc. Then, when you make the jump to full frame, you'll have a few decent lenses to make it worth it.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Zv on October 19, 2012, 09:59:43 PM
Overall, good glass is going to be a better long-term investment, but body upgrades are a fact of life.  Unfortunately, you have to do both at the same time. One possible path is to do a modest body upgrade now (T4i?, 7D?) and put the rest of your money into some good lenses (85mm f/1.8, 24-105mm f/4, etc). That'd improve your shots all around and would still give you better ISO performance, AF, FPS, etc. Then, when you make the jump to full frame, you'll have a few decent lenses to make it worth it.

I think it's better to get the camera he wants and not waste money on another APS-C in between. Though I do agree he should do both glass and body at the same time. A 6D w/kit lens (24-105L) would be good start. If you can, wait until the price comes down after initial release.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: mariusx1 on October 20, 2012, 02:04:50 PM
I think it's better to get the camera he wants and not waste money on another APS-C in between. Though I do agree he should do both glass and body at the same time. A 6D w/kit lens (24-105L) would be good start. If you can, wait until the price comes down after initial release.

True. Probably just depends on the overall budget. The 6D kit is currently close to $3k.  But yeah, if you can wait for the price to come down and/or save up, that's probably the better route to take.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: drmikeinpdx on October 20, 2012, 02:30:17 PM
My 5D Mark III is making my old (Non-L) glass look good.  A lot of unsharp pix were caused by the poor autofocus on my 5D classic.  You might want to keep an eye on the end of year sales and see if you could afford a Mark III.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: brad-man on October 20, 2012, 06:19:53 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

Glass, then camera. Lens prices creep up, body prices creep down...
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: verysimplejason on October 20, 2012, 08:00:44 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

Glass, then camera. Lens prices creep up, body prices creep down...

If you really value money and intend to do photography for a very long time, I suggest investing on a "system" lens which for our part is Canon unless you're fine with a fully manual lens.  Canon bodies does not and will not support third party lenses.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: Marine03 on October 21, 2012, 02:43:02 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

Glass, then camera. Lens prices creep up, body prices creep down...

If you really value money and intend to do photography for a very long time, I suggest investing on a "system" lens which for our part is Canon unless you're fine with a fully manual lens.  Canon bodies does not and will not support third party lenses.

What do you mean that Canon bodies do not support 3rd party lenses?  I know they will work, so is it a mater of  preinstalled CA adjustments?
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: elflord on October 21, 2012, 03:20:05 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

I would do glass first, especially if you're considering buying a newly released body. If you go body first, what lenses are you going to use with it ?
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: aznable on October 21, 2012, 04:48:45 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

Glass, then camera. Lens prices creep up, body prices creep down...

If you really value money and intend to do photography for a very long time, I suggest investing on a "system" lens which for our part is Canon unless you're fine with a fully manual lens.  Canon bodies does not and will not support third party lenses.

What do you mean that Canon bodies do not support 3rd party lenses?  I know they will work, so is it a mater of  preinstalled CA adjustments?

the support for the 3rd party lens is not given by canon but from the manufacturer of the lens; i use just sigma lenses at both of them works flawlessy with 450d,50d and 7d.

but in a future camera the lens would not work anymore; in that case the manufacturer of the lens will supply a rechip
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: hydrapenguin on October 21, 2012, 09:42:50 PM
I would most certainly go glass then cmaera...... its hard if you have a nice FF but nothing to go with it! As for 3rd party, the tamron 24-70 is great but i would also go for something wider such as a 17-40 (Canon). The 17-40 isnt all that big of a purchase compared to the 6D or the 24-70, but it should still be done. ;) finally, get a longer reaching lens as well. Either sigmas or tamrons 70-200s are pretty good, so I would opt for one of those too.

Canon EOS 6D: $2099
Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 DI VC USD: $1299
Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 XR Di-II LD: $499
Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 EX DG APO OS HSM:$1250

Total price: $5147- not bad compared to if you bought all canon, which would be about $6800ish
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: verysimplejason on October 21, 2012, 11:52:19 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

Glass, then camera. Lens prices creep up, body prices creep down...

If you really value money and intend to do photography for a very long time, I suggest investing on a "system" lens which for our part is Canon unless you're fine with a fully manual lens.  Canon bodies does not and will not support third party lenses.

What do you mean that Canon bodies do not support 3rd party lenses?  I know they will work, so is it a mater of  preinstalled CA adjustments?

the support for the 3rd party lens is not given by canon but from the manufacturer of the lens; i use just sigma lenses at both of them works flawlessy with 450d,50d and 7d.

but in a future camera the lens would not work anymore; in that case the manufacturer of the lens will supply a rechip

Yup.  That's the thing.  E.g., You can't complain with Canon that your Tokina lenses aren't working anymore with the new cameras.  You have to take it to Tokina.  That said, it's still up to you.
Title: Re: Suggested upgrade path?
Post by: RLPhoto on October 22, 2012, 01:06:08 PM
Current kit consists of 450D, Nifty 50, 2 Old Sigma lenses pre digital,  kit 18-55 and Yunguno 565ex.   

I do family portraits and christmas cards for friends etc, as well as an wedding as 2nd shooter.  I've done 6 this year.   

Looking at the 6D as my next body as with event photography I totally see the limits of the 450 and need better High Iso performance.     

So would it be alright to do Body and then down the road Tamron 24-70 since its half the cost of Canon 24-70L2 I know glass is a  big limiting factor in image quality but if I could only afford 1 big purchase a year what would you choose?  Camera then glass or Glass and then camera.

5Dc/5D2/5D3 are the best options. Pick yours based on your budget.