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Gear Talk => Lenses => Topic started by: madspihl on December 09, 2012, 08:04:10 PM

Title: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: madspihl on December 09, 2012, 08:04:10 PM
I own the Canon 16-35L (and a bunch of other lenses for that matter), and basically I'd love som feedback on a choice I feel I'd like to make.

Either

1) keep the 16-35 and be happy with a really good all-round wide zoom which is quite sharp, has fast autofocus, and is often stuck on one of my camerabodies (mostly the 5D Mark II),

or 2) Sell the 16-35 and buy the following setup:


Setup is for full frame. Currently the 5D Mark II and III.

Keep the price out of this equation. I have just decided that if photography is what I want to do as much as I can, even if it's purely as a hobby, why not invest more in fast lenses, since I love the aperture versatility of 1.4s (and 1.2s for that matter).

Also, in theory I don't mind having more lenses to swap between in the 16-35 range if it means better glass and more possibilities in terms of lens speed. But what's your take on the combo of faster-glass-but-more-lenses-to-swap versus the walk-around-wide-zoom?

Has anyone else gone through this process, and do you have thoughts about making a change like this?

I am not going to keep the 16-35 . It doesn't make sense to me to have it if I buy the primes - even if it has a nice walk-around kind of versatility. I just have a feeling I wont use it with the primes hanging around.

Oh - and at these wider focal lengths I shoot mainly landscapes, night skies, and some action sports (snowmobiling, bmx).

Thanks!

Mads
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: PackLight on December 09, 2012, 08:19:21 PM
If wide your thing is mainly landscapes and the night sky I would switch to the 24mm f/1.4L or the TS-E.
You will get better image quality and control and be giving up the zoom range. It is the way I would go, but if you need the range you might think differently.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: madspihl on December 09, 2012, 08:34:12 PM
If wide your thing is mainly landscapes and the night sky I would switch to the 24mm f/1.4L or the TS-E.
You will get better image quality and control and be giving up the zoom range. It is the way I would go, but if you need the range you might think differently.

Actually it's more:

Either the one wide zoom or the full combo of the 14, 24, and 35 primes (not just one of them). That's why I also would like to know how people feel about juggling more lenses versus a slower zoom.

At the 24 and 35 lengths I also do the odd street, sports, and environmental portrait stuff.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: PackLight on December 09, 2012, 08:55:11 PM
It would be the same answer, you would be trading the convenience of the zoom for the quality and abilities of the primes.

You might consider just doing the 24 and 35mm and keep the 16-35 for when you need a wide lens or a zoom. Or the opposite, get the 14mm and 24mm and keep the 16-35 for when you need 35mm or the convenience of the zoom.

Any direction you go, I would get one of the 24mm L's
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: CharlieB on December 09, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
Keep the 16-35L, use it for most situations - its image quality is quite good, and its a pleasure to use, and you pretty much always have the right wide on the camera when its mounted.

Get the 24/1.4L - about half way through the range of the zoom, and its fast, for low light.

OR

The 24/2.8 IS USM might be ok for low light... but I think I'd rather have the 1.4 L lens instead.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Jesse on December 09, 2012, 10:39:04 PM
I would rather have the Canon 14mm + 24mm 1.4 + 35mm over the 16-35 any day, but I'm not super rich.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: infared on December 09, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
I own the Canon 16-35L (and a bunch of other lenses for that matter), and basically I'd love som feedback on a choice I feel I'd like to make.

Either

1) keep the 16-35 and be happy with a really good all-round wide zoom which is quite sharp, has fast autofocus, and is often stuck on one of my camerabodies (mostly the 5D Mark II),

or 2) Sell the 16-35 and buy the following setup:

  • Canon 14L 2.8 / Zeiss 15 2.8 / Rokinon(Samyang) 14 2.8 (autofocus not a must for me at this focal length)
  • Canon 24L 1.4
  • Sigma 35 1.4 (decided I prefer to get this one over the Canon 35L after reading reviews and seeing samples of image quality on FF

Setup is for full frame. Currently the 5D Mark II and III.

Keep the price out of this equation. I have just decided that if photography is what I want to do as much as I can, even if it's purely as a hobby, why not invest more in fast lenses, since I love the aperture versatility of 1.4s (and 1.2s for that matter).

Also, in theory I don't mind having more lenses to swap between in the 16-35 range if it means better glass and more possibilities in terms of lens speed. But what's your take on the combo of faster-glass-but-more-lenses-to-swap versus the walk-around-wide-zoom?

Has anyone else gone through this process, and do you have thoughts about making a change like this?

I am not going to keep the 16-35 . It doesn't make sense to me to have it if I buy the primes - even if it has a nice walk-around kind of versatility. I just have a feeling I wont use it with the primes hanging around.

Oh - and at these wider focal lengths I shoot mainly landscapes, night skies, and some action sports (snowmobiling, bmx).

Thanks!

Mads

I am tortured with this as well. I have the Canon16-35mm f/2.8 II. I also own the Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 for tack sharp images when the situation can be handled with manual focus. The 16-35mm is weakest at the 35mm end, and I just purchased the new Canon 24-70mm II...so I have that end covered, with much sharper results.

I REALLY like all of the lenses you are looking at...especiallythe Zeiss and the Sigma. I plan on buying the Zeiss 15 mm next!...bit unlike you...I am going to hold on to my 16-35mm for when I need AF. Everthing in photography is a compromise!   
The new Sigma 35mm Artist Series looks mighty sweet, too.
Tough making these choices...isn't it! ...fun too, tho.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Artifex on December 09, 2012, 11:21:30 PM
Personally, I am a big fan of fast prime, so I am pretty bias on this subject!  :P

I have been using the Samyang 14mm for half a year now, and I must say that I am very impressed with it. It has a very good build quality and optical quality, with little to none CA. However, it does produce quite heavy distortion. From my personal experience and what I read, it is only slightly worst than the Canon 14mm, for a fraction of the price.

However, the Zeiss 15mm, on the other hand, seem's to be quite better than both Canon and Samyang. This lens is a piece of art in itself; the build quality seems exceptional. I don't have any first hand experience with it, but from what I read and saw online, it seem, in my own opinion, to be the best option, especially in term of image quality, although it is far from being cheap.

Since you were saying price was not a concern for you, and that you didn't mind manual focusing, I think the best option could be the Zeiss (although the Samyang is by far the best quality/price value, it is far from being a Zeiss).
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Zlatko on December 10, 2012, 02:23:09 AM
Keep the price out of this equation. I have just decided that if photography is what I want to do as much as I can, even if it's purely as a hobby, why not invest more in fast lenses, since I love the aperture versatility of 1.4s (and 1.2s for that matter).
Generally speaking, for landscapes, night skies and actions sports, the aperture versatility of f/1.4 does not add much.  But for environmental portraits, a 24/1.4 or 35/1.4 can be quite nice. 
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Kamakalele on December 10, 2012, 07:19:26 AM
Aloha e Madspihl,
Don't know if what I have to say is helpful but,I have a MkII and MkIII.  I use primes primarily.  I have an EF 50 f1.2L, EF 135 f2L that I use most of the time.  My kind of shooting is run and gun though so I don't use wide angle too much.  I have a EF 24-70 f2.8L that I use for my wide angle stuff but seriously been thinking about getting Ziess glass.  My EF 50 f1.2L is awesome as is my 135 so I have considered getting a Zeiss ZE 85 f1.4*T or the new Zeiss 15mm wide angle monster.  I use my 135 80-90% of the time and enjoy it the most.  Although 1.2 L kicks ass!!!!!
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: madspihl on December 10, 2012, 07:59:11 AM
Thanks for all the feedback, guys :)

I might just, as one of you suggested, hold on to the 16-35L II for now to keep the wider end of the range covered (even if not at 14mm), and then move into the 24L 1.4 and the Sigma 35 1.4 to begin with, while I consider the 14mm options.

My challenge in all this is that I have no access to testing/renting lenses, since I live in a tiny town above the Arctic Circle in Greenland and rarely get to go to Europe or the States (about once a year to Europe - where the lens prices are just ridiculous anyway compared to shipping options from the US).

So I am having to rely on stuff like your great feedback - thanks!
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: StanFoxworthy on December 10, 2012, 08:28:20 AM
Hi Mads!

The beauty of the 16-35 II is that it is also weather sealed, along with not having to swap lenses in non-perfect environments, really cuts down on the chance of sensor contamination (per your comment on snowmobiling, BMX, etc.). If you can hold on to that and add the others as needed, you may find that you do indeed still use it.

Best of luck in your quest!
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: tron on December 10, 2012, 10:48:21 AM
I would get the TS-E 17 L and TS-E 24 L II. Well, Actually I do have them!
I prefer them even for standard landscape photography as my 16-35 L (version I) is not stellar at the edges.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: RLPhoto on December 10, 2012, 03:40:32 PM
If I were to buy one Ultra-Wide lens that I know will out-resolve any future High megapixel bodies, will survive for years to come, and Give the absolute best re-sale value.

I'd get the Zeiss 15mm 2.8.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: dswatson83 on December 10, 2012, 03:58:52 PM
I love the 16-35mm. It is really a great lens.
And I definitely think you should go for the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 now that it is proving itself so quickly. That is a fast lens for under $1,000 with that level of build quality and sharpness. The reviews say it all:

http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review (http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review)
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: infared on December 11, 2012, 03:40:34 PM
I love the 16-35mm. It is really a great lens.
And I definitely think you should go for the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 now that it is proving itself so quickly. That is a fast lens for under $1,000 with that level of build quality and sharpness. The reviews say it all:

http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review (http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review)

I am SURE the new Sigma will dust the 35mm section of the 16-35 II zoom. NO DOUBT.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: madspihl on February 12, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Just thought I'd give an update on the choices I made since so many people decided to respond to this thread. Thanks for all those comments! :)

For now I've bought:

Canon 24mm 1.4L II
(24L and night skies is a (well known) amazing combo. Love it: http://500px.com/photo/25441431 (http://500px.com/photo/25441431))

Sigma 35mm 1.4
(Getting some really nice (for me, at least) wideangle portraits out of this one: http://500px.com/photo/22584789 (http://500px.com/photo/22584789))

And I kept the Canon 16-35L for the versatility of the WA-zoom.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Axilrod on February 12, 2013, 01:31:36 PM
I have a bunch of primes and the only zoom I kept was my 16-35, it's just too useful with that focal range.

If you're looking for something wider, go for the Samyang 14mm.  It's only $400 so you can't really lose, and it's sharper than the Canon 14LII (which I own, and it pains me to say that but it's true).  The distortion is a bit worse but that's easily correctable in Lightroom/PS/Aperture.

If you can deal with the pain of swapping lenses all the time and not having AF on all of them, I say go for the other setup, all the lenses you mentioned are excellent.

Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: AudioGlenn on February 12, 2013, 02:03:52 PM
I have a bunch of primes and the only zoom I kept was my 16-35, it's just too useful with that focal range.

If you're looking for something wider, go for the Samyang 14mm.  It's only $400 so you can't really lose, and it's sharper than the Canon 14LII (which I own, and it pains me to say that but it's true).  The distortion is a bit worse but that's easily correctable in Lightroom/PS/Aperture.

If you can deal with the pain of swapping lenses all the time and not having AF on all of them, I say go for the other setup, all the lenses you mentioned are excellent.

+1
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: crasher8 on February 12, 2013, 02:35:25 PM
I love the 16-35mm. It is really a great lens.
And I definitely think you should go for the Sigma 35mm f/1.4 now that it is proving itself so quickly. That is a fast lens for under $1,000 with that level of build quality and sharpness. The reviews say it all:

http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review (http://learningcameras.com/reviews/7-lenses/86-sigma-35mm-f14-review)

I am SURE the new Sigma will dust the 35mm section of the 16-35 II zoom. NO DOUBT.

Who buys the 16-35 for the long end?
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: MARKOE PHOTOE on February 12, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
Thought I'd chime in here too as I'm in a similar situation looking for an ultra wide angle of decent quality.  I too have the 16-35L, 24-70L II, 24 tse II  and a Zeiss 35mm f2.0 for landscape work but have been looking for that ultra wide lens for greater FOV without sticking a pano.

I have rented the new Zeiss 15mm f2.8 and it is spectacular.  I didn't care for the ergonomics of the 96mm front filter size. This lens is a monster and expensive.  I just couldn't justify the cost.  If price is not an issue, this Zeiss 15 is hard to beat in IQ and corner/corner sharpness.

As for the other Canon's 14L and 24,  I've never used the 14L and cannot comment but the 24 i've had and sold since I purchased the 24 tse II.  The 24TSE II is extremely sharp and lightweight in comparison to any Zeiss lens.

One of the big differences, IMHO, is manual focus vs AF for portability and getting critical sharpness.  Anytime I'm going to use manual focus I always set up on a tripod and X10 the image in the VF.  Obviously, any shot OOF is a waste of time and energy.

Best of luck.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: mustafa on February 12, 2013, 03:42:51 PM
Isn't there a 14-24mm coming?  Might be a good replacement for the 16-35mm considering your other glass.  Judging by Canon's recent efforts, it's likely to be sharper and will of course give you that extra width.
Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Canada on February 12, 2013, 04:30:14 PM
I have been having this same debate lately. I didn't really want to give up my 16-35 so I picked up a 28mm Sigma 1.8 on the cheap last week. For $200 its been all that and then some. AF is bit slow but the Bokeh & Macro features are stellar. Add in that it makes for a killer video lens its been the bargooon of the year for me. If money was no object the Canon 24mm 1.4 would be just AWESOME the colors, build everything about it is just unreal (so is the price)

Title: Re: 16-35L or related primes
Post by: Caps18 on February 12, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
If you need 1 lens, the 16-35mm is usually it.  I think pictures would look too similar if everything was taken at the same focal length.

Having said that, a 17 TS-e (14mm if you need autofocus), 50mm f/1.2 and a 300mm f/4 (f/2.8?) might be a cool combination