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Title: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: Canon Rumors on January 03, 2013, 02:16:33 PM

Preorder at B&H Photo

The Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS is in stock at B&H Photo.


Buy the Canon EF 24-70 f/4L IS for $1499 at B&H Photo


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Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: RLPhoto on January 03, 2013, 02:18:04 PM
Who will be buying this?  :P
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: HoneyBadger on January 03, 2013, 02:29:55 PM
I feel that I have too many uses for a 24-70mm to limit myself to f/4.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: heptagon on January 03, 2013, 02:32:00 PM
How does this stand up to the Tamron 24-70?
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: BL on January 03, 2013, 02:39:04 PM
this lens is a solution looking for a problem
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: Dianoda on January 03, 2013, 02:39:28 PM
Who will be buying this?  :P

I'm definitely interested.  Waiting for reviews first, but I like the size/weight/flexibility for travel, walkaround, and it would probably be close to ideal as a single lens solution for my backpacking trips, too.  The buying decision for me will depend mostly on the optics.

I do find this lens way more interesting than the 24-105mm f/4 IS; it should hopefully offer better IQ, smaller size/less weight, and the macro mode is appealing as well.  So (potentially) the only significant trade-offs are aperture and less zoom range than some might prefer (although personally I'd rather have a smaller zoom range and better optical performance).
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neuroanatomist on January 03, 2013, 02:42:49 PM
i just read a review that said it´s less sharp then the 24-105mm.

Given previous statements along these lines, I have to ask...where do you read these reviews/tests?  I'm highly skeptical of whatever review you're referring to - can you provide a link or reference?

The MTF charts tell a very different story...

24-105mm f/4L IS
(http://www.usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/images/lens/ef24-105mtf_wide.gif) (http://www.usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/images/lens/ef24-105mtf_tele.gif)

24-70mm f/4L IS
(https://www.usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/images/cameras/lenses/EF-24-70mm-f4-L-IS-USM/ef24-70_4lisu_mtf_wide.gif) (https://www.usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app/images/cameras/lenses/EF-24-70mm-f4-L-IS-USM/ef24-70_4lisu_mtf_tele.gif)
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: willhuff.net on January 03, 2013, 02:46:35 PM
I will buy this as a landscape lens if it's as sharp as the 24-70L mkII. I don't shoot many landscapes at 2.8 and the f4 translates into weight savings.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: RLPhoto on January 03, 2013, 02:49:38 PM
The wide end appears to have slightly better IQ on the F/4 24-70L than the 24-105L.

The tele end can't really be a fair comparison because its at different focal lengths. At tele, they're still pretty similiar.

still can't justify the 750$ premium on the new lens but it would be nicer to backpack with.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: pdirestajr on January 03, 2013, 02:59:33 PM
Perhaps this lens will eventually become the standard "kit" lens for high(er)-end cameras for the next 8+ years.

It actually isn't that much more expensive than the 24-105 MSRP of $1,149.00 USD, and that lens has been around for a while.

And you have to assume it will eventually get reduced a few hundo, then get slapped with an instant rebate every other week, then get bundled with the next camera we'll all complain about.... before you know it, they'll be flooding Craigslist and you can scoop one up for  < $800USD.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: AndersBorg on January 03, 2013, 03:03:19 PM
I am very much looking foward to the reviews of this lens.

If it shows to be a solid improvement over the 24-105mm in terms of sharpness and AF, I will probably purchase it as a standard zoom for my 6D.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: raptor3x on January 03, 2013, 03:19:17 PM

Given previous statements along these lines, I have to ask...where do you read these reviews/tests?

because im not a fanboy who makes general (false) statements like "canon lenses are better then nikons".... without any differentiation?

there are a few german sites who have tested the lens... for example:

http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html (http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html)

they did retests because they could not believe the bad result either.

Wow, that looks awful.  Do you know if they used multiple copies or if they just retested the same lens?
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neech7 on January 03, 2013, 03:33:04 PM
It actually isn't that much more expensive than the 24-105 MSRP of $1,149.00 USD

Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.

Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neuroanatomist on January 03, 2013, 03:34:28 PM
there are a few german sites who have tested the lens... for example:

http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html (http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html)

Thanks for the link. They are only looking at the resolution in center of the lens (my subjects usually aren't right there, are yours?).  Also, I don't understand the rationale for summarizing the results as an average of the wide and tele ends or an average of the values from wide open (which varies by lens) to f/16.   

Moreover, looking over the tests on that site, I see several results that disagree with many other testing sites (e.g. the 300mm f/4L IS scoring much higher than the 70-200mm f/4L IS, which is quite the opposite of data on TDP, PZ, etc., even when only looking at center sharpness). 

So, they're reporting just one measure among many that are important to lens performance, and calling that one measurement a 'review' is an understatement, IMO.  Add in the questionable accuracy of their methods based on other lens tests (and in this case, a direct contradiction of Canon's MTF charts), and I'm certainly going to defer judgment on the lens until we see some real reviews (although it's an academic issue for me, since like you, I have no real interest in the lens for my needs).  Those reviews may turn out negative, too, time will tell.  But the MTF charts for the 24-70/2.8 II were also impressive, and the performance tests were consistent with that.  But then again, there were bad copies of the 24-70/2.8 II (TDP tested 4 of them to get a good one), and if the same problems are plaguing the 24-70/4 IS, that may be a factor in poor reviews as well.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: raptor3x on January 03, 2013, 03:44:53 PM
Thanks for the link. They are only looking at the resolution in center of the lens (my subjects usually aren't right there, are yours?).  Also, I don't understand the rationale for summarizing the results as an average of the wide and tele ends or an average of the values from wide open (which varies by lens) to f/16.   

Moreover, looking over the tests on that site, I see several results that disagree with many other testing sites (e.g. the 300mm f/4L IS scoring much higher than the 70-200mm f/4L IS, which is quite the opposite of data on TDP, PZ, etc., even when only looking at center sharpness). 

So, they're reporting just one measure among many that are important to lens performance, and calling that one measurement a 'review' is an understatement, IMO.  Add in the questionable accuracy of their methods based on other lens tests (and in this case, a direct contradiction of Canon's MTF charts), and I'm certainly going to defer judgment on the lens until we see some real reviews (although it's an academic issue for me, since like you, I have no real interest in the lens for my needs).  Those reviews may turn out negative, too, time will tell.  But the MTF charts for the 24-70/2.8 II were also impressive, and the performance tests were consistent with that.  But then again, there were bad copies of the 24-70/2.8 II (TDP tested 4 of them to get a good one), and if the same problems are plaguing the 24-70/4 IS, that may be a factor in poor reviews as well.

They also provide a TDP style chart showing image quality at different points in the frame.    While the sharpness at 70mm isn't terrible, the quality at 24mm really does look quite bad.  That said, given the variation shown with the 24-70ii on TDP, we'll probably have to wait for a few more reviews to come in before getting any idea of what the lens is really like.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: pharp on January 03, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
I assume this will eventually be a kit lens option for the 6d - we'll see how the price shakes out after that. Current price of $1500? Really? Thats crazy.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neech7 on January 03, 2013, 03:48:07 PM
They are only looking at the resolution in center of the lens (my subjects usually aren't right there, are yours?).

When I shoot portraits, yeah, my subjects are usually in the center. Even when I shoot other things, I want the center to be good as well.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: brad-man on January 03, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
I expect this will be an excellent single lens solution for travel & walkabout...@$1000...
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: sagittariansrock on January 03, 2013, 03:58:58 PM
and calling that one measurement a 'review' is an understatement , IMO.

You didn't mean that :P
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: RLPhoto on January 03, 2013, 04:02:22 PM
I'd like it if it was 599$, the market is too saturated with 24-105L's to get the 1500$ price tag.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: azizjhn on January 03, 2013, 04:11:02 PM
I'am so excited about this lens specially for it is Macro capabilities, Small size regarding the IQ i'am sure it will be better than the 24-105 F4L i don't believe the theory of a new product worse than the old one also i don't care about web sites reviews.
The price is high but for me still cheaper than getting 2 lenses, any way if any body don't like don't buy it there is no need for complaining or whining.  ::)
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: neech7 on January 03, 2013, 04:19:40 PM
I'am so excited about this lens specially for it is Macro capabilities,

You may be better off getting the 100L if macro is your thing. I wouldn't get this lens for serious macro work.

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Small size regarding the IQ i'am sure it will be better than the 24-105 F4L i don't believe the theory of a new product worse than the old one also i don't care about web sites reviews.

History is littered with examples of companies coming out with products worse than earlier offerings. Not all web site reviews are worth reading, but I wouldn't discount all of them either.

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The price is high but for me still cheaper than getting 2 lenses, any way if any body don't like don't buy it there is no need for complaining or whining.  ::)

Well, thanks for your unquestioning support for Canon. Hopefully it means Canon has to ding the rest of us less to please its shareholders.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: azizjhn on January 03, 2013, 04:45:43 PM
I'am so excited about this lens specially for it is Macro capabilities,

You may be better off getting the 100L if macro is your thing. I wouldn't get this lens for serious macro work.

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Small size regarding the IQ i'am sure it will be better than the 24-105 F4L i don't believe the theory of a new product worse than the old one also i don't care about web sites reviews.

History is littered with examples of companies coming out with products worse than earlier offerings. Not all web site reviews are worth reading, but I wouldn't discount all of them either.

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The price is high but for me still cheaper than getting 2 lenses, any way if any body don't like don't buy it there is no need for complaining or whining.  ::)

Well, thanks for your unquestioning support for Canon. Hopefully it means Canon has to ding the rest of us less to please its shareholders.

- I don't have a serious macro work so i am not interested to get a dedicated macros lens.
- I didn't see a product comes out with less specification or less capabilities maybe worse build quality or something like vista has less stability than Windows XP but still newer OS with more features.
- at the End this my opinion & that is yours why should i complain if i don't like it i will regret my purchase then i will  sell it simple as that.
"unquestioning support for Canon" why because i am interested for the lens?
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: pdirestajr on January 03, 2013, 04:48:12 PM
It actually isn't that much more expensive than the 24-105 MSRP of $1,149.00 USD

Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.

Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

My point was this lens is new, and it's "life cycle" hasn't even started. Every product that is released doesn't need to be pre-order purchased by every consumer. I don't need this lens, so I wont buy it.

I won't be shocked if I can buy this lens for 1K in 8 years from now. And I won't be shocked if this lens ends up in a kit in the future. That's all I was saying.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: azizjhn on January 03, 2013, 04:50:47 PM
It actually isn't that much more expensive than the 24-105 MSRP of $1,149.00 USD

Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.

Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

My point was this lens is new, and it's "life cycle" hasn't even started. Every product that is released doesn't need to be pre-order purchased by every consumer. I don't need this lens, so I wont buy it.

I won't be shocked if I can buy this lens for 1K in 8 years from now. And I won't be shocked if this lens ends up in a kit in the future. That's all I was saying.

+1
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: RafaPolit on January 03, 2013, 05:02:41 PM
...any way if any body don't like don't buy it there is no need for complaining or whining...
This is, precisely, a place to actually discuss and disagree about opinions, ideas and the decisions behind Canon's new products.  Also, many people eagerly await new releases, precisely, because they usually address key downsides or shortcomings of previous products.

That is why several people are complaining about this product (with good reason, IMHO).  Most everyone was expecting that, given the shorter range and identical luminosity of the 24-105, this would be significantly better in IQ to justify both the release of a newer product with shorter range and its at-release higher (MUCH! higher) price tag.

According to initial pre-views, it appears this lens does NOT fill those expectations.  Furthermore, Canon has, as of late, given many mind-baffling products: the very-expensive, very-slow but ISed 24, 28 and 35.  On the other hand, it has delayed what seems like forever the products people actually where looking for, like the 200-400, so many loyal Canon customers are really NOT happy with the trends of late.

I will repeat myself here, but I cannot see who would be seriously (and massively at that) interested in this lens.  Of course there are people here and there, but I can't see lots of people flocking to this lens if you can have the 24-105 for half the price!  Even if the IQ of the 24-70 is a bit better (which still remains to be seen and I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt), paying twice as much for half the range and identical luminosity only for the macro option is kind of absurd.

I follow several sites and forums dedicated to photography and this is a general trend.  Incidentally, those other lenses I mentioned 24 f2.8, 28 f2.8 and 35 f2 have received equally bellow-expectation marks, and places like POTN with over 100K members, do not show anyone using those $800 lenses.  I feel this will be the same for this ultra expensive de-buffed 24-105 :( .  So Canon either missed the specs, or missed the price point.  The combo of both makes this lens really not very appealing to anyone other than the people that really need to have the latest for no other reason than being new.

Best regards,
Rafa.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: BL on January 03, 2013, 05:20:25 PM
I'am so excited about this lens specially for it is Macro capabilities

i dont know about you guys, but when i shoot macro, shooting distance is a real problem.  with this lens, i'd be straight up against my subject and likely blocking light...
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: azizjhn on January 03, 2013, 05:33:48 PM
...any way if any body don't like don't buy it there is no need for complaining or whining...
This is, precisely, a place to actually discuss and disagree about opinions, ideas and the decisions behind Canon's new products.  Also, many people eagerly await new releases, precisely, because they usually address key downsides or shortcomings of previous products.

That is why several people are complaining about this product (with good reason, IMHO).  Most everyone was expecting that, given the shorter range and identical luminosity of the 24-105, this would be significantly better in IQ to justify both the release of a newer product with shorter range and its at-release higher (MUCH! higher) price tag.

According to initial pre-views, it appears this lens does NOT fill those expectations.  Furthermore, Canon has, as of late, given many mind-baffling products: the very-expensive, very-slow but ISed 24, 28 and 35.  On the other hand, it has delayed what seems like forever the products people actually where looking for, like the 200-400, so many loyal Canon customers are really NOT happy with the trends of late.

I will repeat myself here, but I cannot see who would be seriously (and massively at that) interested in this lens.  Of course there are people here and there, but I can't see lots of people flocking to this lens if you can have the 24-105 for half the price!  Even if the IQ of the 24-70 is a bit better (which still remains to be seen and I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt), paying twice as much for half the range and identical luminosity only for the macro option is kind of absurd.

I follow several sites and forums dedicated to photography and this is a general trend.  Incidentally, those other lenses I mentioned 24 f2.8, 28 f2.8 and 35 f2 have received equally bellow-expectation marks, and places like POTN with over 100K members, do not show anyone using those $800 lenses.  I feel this will be the same for this ultra expensive de-buffed 24-105 :( .  So Canon either missed the specs, or missed the price point.  The combo of both makes this lens really not very appealing to anyone other than the people that really need to have the latest for no other reason than being new.

Best regards,
Rafa.

A lot complain about 5D MK III and how it is expensive & inferior to Nikon D800 at the end so many people get it and happy with it. So it doesn't matter how bad it is in some people opinion no need to create a huge story of it. IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on January 03, 2013, 05:38:42 PM
Who will be buying this?  :P

I'm definitely interested.  Waiting for reviews first, but I like the size/weight/flexibility for travel, walkaround, and it would probably be close to ideal as a single lens solution for my backpacking trips, too.  The buying decision for me will depend mostly on the optics.

first reviews... sharpness worse then 24-105mm f4.


http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg)

That's some crazy schnitt!

Anyway, I'd wait for more reviews!
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neuroanatomist on January 03, 2013, 05:55:41 PM
Who will be buying this?  :P

I'm definitely interested.  Waiting for reviews first, but I like the size/weight/flexibility for travel, walkaround, and it would probably be close to ideal as a single lens solution for my backpacking trips, too.  The buying decision for me will depend mostly on the optics.

first reviews... sharpness worse then 24-105mm f4.


http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg)

That's some crazy schnitt!

Anyway, I'd wait for more reviews!

+1

...and LOL.  ;D
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: Woody on January 03, 2013, 05:57:41 PM
Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.
Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

What about comparing initial MSRP when lenses were first launched? You may even find the initial offer prices of the 24-105 HIGHER than that of 24-70 f/4 now.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: Woody on January 03, 2013, 05:59:40 PM
there are a few german sites who have tested the lens... for example:

http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html (http://www.traumflieger.de/reports/Videos/Traumflieger-DSLR-Woche/das-neue-Canon-24-70mm-4-0-im-Test-Teil-1-DSLR-Wo-14-1::386.html)

If it's as bad as Traumflieger says, I'll be quite happy to purchase the 24-105 kit. Saves me quite a bit of money too.  ;D
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: steliosk on January 03, 2013, 06:00:54 PM
Canon strategy is for jokes.
I do believe Canon died after the 5D2.
I chose Canon then, i wouldn't choose Canon now.

I don't know what Canon is thinking but there is no reason to buy an overpriced lens with shorter tele end than 24-105
no reason at all!
lighter? smaller? how much is it? tiny? i don't think so.
They should make an 24-70 2.8 IS or an 24-105 f/4 IS II

The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand! they compromise and that sucks. I can't take Canon seriously when third party solutions like magic latern unlocks a ton of features that Canon could blend in with a firmware upgrade, while nikon does that in the first place.

I can't take it seriously when i see no drastic development in sensors.
Did canon ever fixed her dynamic range or the noise in lower ISO levels and banding issues as well? NOPE

I'd like to have a FF camera, i was about to buy 5D3 or 6D but i see both of those cameras aren't worthy of their prices, while D600 is a steal!
24-70 2.8 II is a big disappointment (no IS and over expensive)
24-70 f4 IS too (too expensive and since 24-105 exists and it is a GREAT lens for all around use, no reason to buy this 24-70 f4 is)

So i'll stick with my old rebel 600D which is best value of money, plus the magic latern which makes this toy camera, a real camera, and when i feel the need to change equipment, i'll sell everything and move to nikon unless canon starts thinking of making products instead of toys.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: Woody on January 03, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand!

They don't? Ha, ha...
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: BrettS on January 03, 2013, 06:11:40 PM
So i'll stick with my old rebel 600D which is best value of money, plus the magic latern which makes this toy camera, a real camera, and when i feel the need to change equipment, i'll sell everything and move to nikon unless canon starts thinking of making products instead of toys.

OK. See ya.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: Dylan777 on January 03, 2013, 06:53:21 PM
Canon strategy is for jokes.
I do believe Canon died after the 5D2.
I chose Canon then, i wouldn't choose Canon now.

I don't know what Canon is thinking but there is no reason to buy an overpriced lens with shorter tele end than 24-105
no reason at all!
lighter? smaller? how much is it? tiny? i don't think so.
They should make an 24-70 2.8 IS or an 24-105 f/4 IS II

The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand! they compromise and that sucks. I can't take Canon seriously when third party solutions like magic latern unlocks a ton of features that Canon could blend in with a firmware upgrade, while nikon does that in the first place.

I can't take it seriously when i see no drastic development in sensors.
Did canon ever fixed her dynamic range or the noise in lower ISO levels and banding issues as well? NOPE

I'd like to have a FF camera, i was about to buy 5D3 or 6D but i see both of those cameras aren't worthy of their prices, while D600 is a steal!
24-70 2.8 II is a big disappointment (no IS and over expensive)
24-70 f4 IS too (too expensive and since 24-105 exists and it is a GREAT lens for all around use, no reason to buy this 24-70 f4 is)

So i'll stick with my old rebel 600D which is best value of money, plus the magic latern which makes this toy camera, a real camera, and when i feel the need to change equipment, i'll sell everything and move to nikon unless canon starts thinking of making products instead of toys.

Funny...I do not see that ::) I would say a MUST have lens in the bag, just like 70-200 f2.8 IS II for FF.

Talk is cheap....just do it
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neech7 on January 03, 2013, 06:54:38 PM
Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.
Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

What about comparing initial MSRP when lenses were first launched? You may even find the initial offer prices of the 24-105 HIGHER than that of 24-70 f/4 now.

What matters is, if I'm looking to buy a f/4 standard zoom TODAY, I'm looking at either the $1500 24-70 f/4, or the $750 24-105 f/4.

I suspect Canon is intending to discontinue the 24-105 very soon, leaving Canon users with the 24-70 f/4 as the only choice for Canon f/4 L standard zooms.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: neech7 on January 03, 2013, 06:57:20 PM
Canon strategy is for jokes.
I do believe Canon died after the 5D2.
I chose Canon then, i wouldn't choose Canon now.

I don't know what Canon is thinking but there is no reason to buy an overpriced lens with shorter tele end than 24-105
no reason at all!
lighter? smaller? how much is it? tiny? i don't think so.
They should make an 24-70 2.8 IS or an 24-105 f/4 IS II

The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand! they compromise and that sucks. I can't take Canon seriously when third party solutions like magic latern unlocks a ton of features that Canon could blend in with a firmware upgrade, while nikon does that in the first place.

I can't take it seriously when i see no drastic development in sensors.
Did canon ever fixed her dynamic range or the noise in lower ISO levels and banding issues as well? NOPE

I'd like to have a FF camera, i was about to buy 5D3 or 6D but i see both of those cameras aren't worthy of their prices, while D600 is a steal!
24-70 2.8 II is a big disappointment (no IS and over expensive)
24-70 f4 IS too (too expensive and since 24-105 exists and it is a GREAT lens for all around use, no reason to buy this 24-70 f4 is)

So i'll stick with my old rebel 600D which is best value of money, plus the magic latern which makes this toy camera, a real camera, and when i feel the need to change equipment, i'll sell everything and move to nikon unless canon starts thinking of making products instead of toys.

Funny...I do not see that ::) I would say a MUST have lens in the bag, just like 70-200 f2.8 IS II for FF.

Until the 24-70 f/2.8 IS shows up, that is. And don't even think about paying less than $3000 for it.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: EchoLocation on January 03, 2013, 10:43:40 PM
A slow, mid range range zoom for $1500 dollars..... let me think...
um.... NO!

I get that this lens will be about 1100 dollars in a year or so, but these initial MSRP's really tick me off. I like to dream about getting newly released products, and am always tempted to be a first adopter. However, when I do dream about getting these shiny new toys, I don't like that dream to end with a steel toe boot kicking me in the balls after looking at the MSRP. All too often recently, Canon has been thrilled to do this to us(5DIII,24-70 2.8II, 35mm 2.0, this lens.)

This is a nice looking lens, mainly because of the size and the macro bonus, but for me, the sweet spot on price is about $800 bucks. F4 for me equals cheap, and this lens ain't that.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: RafaPolit on January 03, 2013, 10:47:10 PM
...IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
I can complain all I want... and I will give my opinion, and my opinion of your opinion.  And I will stick with Canon and the products that make sense and are relatively well priced.  This is not it, and I will, as I see fit, complain about it wherever I want!

If you don't want to read my complaints, don't read them, but don't tell me not to complain.
Rafa.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: RafaPolit on January 03, 2013, 10:49:48 PM
A slow, mid range range zoom for $1500 dollars...  for me, the sweet spot on price is about $800 bucks. F4 for me equals cheap, and this lens ain't that.
Exactly my thoughts.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: sanj on January 03, 2013, 11:03:45 PM
I enjoy using Canon products (never tried Nikon) but am not a 'fan boy'.

I have enough respect and faith in Canon to believe that this lens will have distinct optical advantages over the 24-105. Why else would they make this?

Lets see how the reviews come out. Brian...
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: Zlatko on January 03, 2013, 11:40:43 PM
I'd like to have a FF camera, i was about to buy 5D3 or 6D but i see both of those cameras aren't worthy of their prices, while D600 is a steal!
24-70 2.8 II is a big disappointment (no IS and over expensive)
24-70 f4 IS too (too expensive and since 24-105 exists and it is a GREAT lens for all around use, no reason to buy this 24-70 f4 is)
The new 24-70/2.8 II is a great lens, worth the price.  The new 24-70/4 IS is a high quality small zoom with macro.  It will be even better than the 24-105/4 IS.  The 5D3 is fantastic and the price has come down.   But why wait to switch if Canon "died" and Nikon is so much better & cheaper?  I don't understand the hesitation.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: minim2 on January 04, 2013, 12:08:53 AM
those who say canon L glass holds value better... I dont think that is true for new lenses.

when 24-70 II was launched, it was going for around 19K HKD (here in hong kong)
Now, it is around 16K HKD
Difference is around 390 USD

Difference between launched price and current price of tamron 24-70 is less than 1000 HKD (one third)

Someone who bought new tamron and is not happy and want to switch to canon version now or few months down the road... is better off compared to those who bought new canon after launch.

I wonder how much this one will drop in price and how soon...


Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: MichaelHodges on January 04, 2013, 12:13:55 AM
Yeah I don't see a reason to swap out my 24-105...at all.


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Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: ScottyP on January 04, 2013, 12:30:01 AM
I'll pick it up in a few years when it is the kit lens for the 5D5 or the 6d3 or something, and it only adds $600.00 to the cost vx. body-only price.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: sanj on January 04, 2013, 12:38:11 AM
...IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
I can complain all I want... and I will give my opinion, and my opinion of your opinion.  And I will stick with Canon and the products that make sense and are relatively well priced.  This is not it, and I will, as I see fit, complain about it wherever I want!

If you don't want to read my complaints, don't read them, but don't tell me not to complain.
Rafa.

Yes Rafa. Go for it.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on January 04, 2013, 02:44:23 AM
those who say canon L glass holds value better... I dont think that is true for new lenses.

when 24-70 II was launched, it was going for around 19K HKD (here in hong kong)
Now, it is around 16K HKD
Difference is around 390 USD

Difference between launched price and current price of tamron 24-70 is less than 1000 HKD (one third)

Someone who bought new tamron and is not happy and want to switch to canon version now or few months down the road... is better off compared to those who bought new canon after launch.

I wonder how much this one will drop in price and how soon...

True, I already see 24-70 2.8 II used sitting for sale at $1900 which is $500 off the intro price of just two months ago and not selling at even that. Early adopters can expect substantial losses in value with the new products in just a few months. It's not like it used to be.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: azizjhn on January 04, 2013, 03:56:13 AM
...IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
I can complain all I want... and I will give my opinion, and my opinion of your opinion.  And I will stick with Canon and the products that make sense and are relatively well priced.  This is not it, and I will, as I see fit, complain about it wherever I want!

If you don't want to read my complaints, don't read them, but don't tell me not to complain.
Rafa.

Apparently you are a complainer & you like the useless debates, Complain whatever you want about Canon, me, my comments with yourself but please stop filling the forums with you moaning posts. 
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: infared on January 04, 2013, 04:14:22 AM
Wait a month: $1100.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: Rienzphotoz on January 04, 2013, 06:20:22 AM
I assume this will eventually be a kit lens option for the 6d - we'll see how the price shakes out after that. Current price of $1500? Really? Thats crazy.
Just because you cannot afford it or not willing to buy it at that price now does not mean it is "crazy" ... many of us bought 5DMK III at $3499 ... now the price has dropped, but we bought the camera when we wanted/needed it, so those who bought it at that price are not crazy ... 24-70 f/4 IS too will have many takers who need such a lens now ... generally people who wait for several months or years for the price to drop are the ones who do not really need that product. 
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: minim2 on January 04, 2013, 06:59:15 AM
Just because you cannot afford it or not willing to buy it at that price now does not mean it is "crazy" ... many of us bought 5DMK III at $3499 ... now the price has dropped, but we bought the camera when we wanted/needed it, so those who bought it at that price are not crazy ... 24-70 f/4 IS too will have many takers who need such a lens now ... generally people who wait for several months or years for the price to drop are the ones who do not really need that product.

I think he is just trying to express himself so no point criticizing him and I feel camera body price drops are not comparable to lens price drop...

I, myself, have bought many products just after release but I think that generally people who wait for whatever reasons (except some constraints due to which they cannot buy)
1. may have more patience than me
2. they are better placed than me to buy product with wide reviews/real-life-feedback
3. they may even get other options to select from
4. price drop is always welcome

btw, there are many who have a product but don't really need it.


Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: neech7 on January 04, 2013, 10:59:53 AM
...IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
I can complain all I want... and I will give my opinion, and my opinion of your opinion.  And I will stick with Canon and the products that make sense and are relatively well priced.  This is not it, and I will, as I see fit, complain about it wherever I want!

If you don't want to read my complaints, don't read them, but don't tell me not to complain.
Rafa.

Apparently you are a complainer & you like the useless debates, Complain whatever you want about Canon, me, my comments with yourself but please stop filling the forums with you moaning posts.

I think his point is that he has every right to post on this forum as you do. But you seem to want to dictate that only posts favourable to Canon and its products and pricing strategy are sanctioned here.

It always amazes me when people would do and say things that are against their best interest. Now, don't we all want high quality, innovative Canon products at the lowest possible prices? Unless you are a Canon employee or shareholder, we should all be on the same side. But think about what you're doing, Canon introduces a lens twice as expensive (current street price) as a similar lens, with less focal length and as yet undetermined quality. When enough people rush in to pay what Canon demands, the bean counters are going to say to themselves: "Hey, we price this thing $400 more than we should, but people buy them anyway. Guess we should price all future lenses really, really high!" On the other hand, if all Canon hears is, as you call it, moans and complains, maybe, just maybe, they will be more realistic next time they try to price their products into the stratosphere.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: roguewave on January 04, 2013, 11:22:55 AM
...IF u don't like Canon strategy or product's there is an alternative solutions & it is good as Canon just no need to stick with it & complain how bad they are.
I can complain all I want... and I will give my opinion, and my opinion of your opinion.  And I will stick with Canon and the products that make sense and are relatively well priced.  This is not it, and I will, as I see fit, complain about it wherever I want!

If you don't want to read my complaints, don't read them, but don't tell me not to complain.
Rafa.

Apparently you are a complainer & you like the useless debates, Complain whatever you want about Canon, me, my comments with yourself but please stop filling the forums with you moaning posts.

So, if someone does not share your unconditional love for Canon products and provides some valid critique, it makes him a complainer?

Having seen Rafa's contributions in other forums, I can testify that he def is not one. He has just as much right to be skeptical about the lens as you may be excited about it. I personally tend to agree with Rafa on his points. Telling him to "stop filling the forums with you moaning posts" is rude, to say the least. I mean, you wouldn't want to be told to "stop your extolling drivel", would you?
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neuroanatomist on January 04, 2013, 02:27:15 PM
first reviews... sharpness worse then 24-105mm f4.

http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/FD4P3.jpg)

That's some crazy schnitt!

Anyway, I'd wait for more reviews!

From a reliable source - Roger Cicala (lensrentals.com) tests 22 copies (http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/01/canon-24-70-f4-is-resolution-tests), concludes for sharpness the 24-70/4L IS is second to the 24-70/2.8L II of 5 lenses covering that range, and better than the 24-105L, entirely consistent with the MTF charts of the lenses.

He also concludes that the Tamron 24-70 VC makes a lot of sense...

As for the German review site's conclusion, well, their data seem like a steaming pile of...schnitt.   ;)
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
Post by: RafaPolit on January 04, 2013, 03:35:07 PM
...Canon introduces a lens twice as expensive (current street price) as a similar lens, with less focal length and as yet undetermined quality. When enough people rush in to pay what Canon demands, the bean counters are going to say to themselves: "Hey, we price this thing $400 more than we should, but people buy them anyway. Guess we should price all future lenses really, really high!" On the other hand, if all Canon hears is, as you call it, moans and complains, maybe, just maybe, they will be more realistic next time they try to price their products into the stratosphere.
Yes! +1 ... the market suffers a lot from the unconditional early adopters that will pay whichever price.  Mind it, I don't consider early adopters that (as correctly depicted by Rienzphotoz) either want or actually NEED the product (I'm sure it was the case for many with the 5DmIII!) 'crazy', at all!.  Every one has their reasons behind their purchases... many would be working photographers that can pay off the higher price tag with a few jobs, others may be really wealthy and price is not an issue at all.  But I believe its a fact that introductory prices are over-inflated because of those type of buyers which affects the overall price of the product (and, in some degree, allows for lesser innovation or poorer design as a product will still make a profit and sell like hotcake, be it the next wonder or not).

Thanks friends for all the support!  Thanks specially @roguewave ... and, by the way: who are you? :) (I couldn't find a PM system here to ask privately!)

Best regards,
Rafa.
ps.  It appears the resolution quality of the lens is a bit bellow the f2.8 mII and a good 10% above the 24-105, lets see how it fares in real life pictures, but these early tests do show an improvement.

Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: neuroanatomist on January 04, 2013, 04:33:13 PM
Thanks for the link. They are only looking at the resolution in center of the lens (my subjects usually aren't right there, are yours?).

no they don´t.
they use an average (thought i think weighted for center resolution).

Either way, a single-number representation isn't optimal, especially if the method is not disclosed (although it may well be described on the site).

Regardless, Rogers's data tend to be thorough and reliable.
Title: Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
Post by: Canon-F1 on January 04, 2013, 05:08:57 PM
Either way, a single-number representation isn't optimal, especially if the method is not disclosed (although it may well be described on the site).

i see not only a single number for their tests.

i see three numbers for a tested focal lenght : border, center, extended center.
and an averaged lines/mm number.

http://i46.tinypic.com/122p6x3.jpg (http://i46.tinypic.com/122p6x3.jpg)

to be honest 90% of all reviewers like to give a single number as fast performance "overview".
no matter if that makes sense or not.. DXO anyone?