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Gear Talk => Lenses => Topic started by: R1-7D on February 01, 2013, 12:59:11 PM

Title: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 01, 2013, 12:59:11 PM
I'm thinking about purchasing either one of these lenses. I have read reviews on both, and both have their advantages and disadvantages. I also did a search on this forum for information, but I am just seeing if anything has changed regarding the Tokina and if more people are using it now.

Does anyone have any experience or recommendations with purchasing either one of these lenses?


Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Marsu42 on February 01, 2013, 01:27:45 PM
Does anyone have any experience or recommendations with purchasing either one of these lenses?

Well, w/o any information about what you plan to shoot this is a little fuzzy - but I'm a happy new 17-40L owner, it is sturdy/sealed, inexpensive (for a L lens), has a wide zoom range vs. changing lenses and has good performance if stopping down.

I wouldn't buy the Tokina because it doesn't take simple protection/polarizer/nd screw-in filters, the 77mm 17-40L can even be fitted with 82mm filters with a stop-up adapter since the Canon lens caps I own are designed to take 1 step larger filters (67->77 & 77->82).
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 01, 2013, 01:41:38 PM
I'd be using the lens for landscapes and architecture.

I have filters on all my lenses currently, but I'm not opposed to the bulbous front end of the Tokina. I'm very careful and I am sure I can make do without a filter.

Thanks for your reply.

The thing that is so tempting about the 17-40mm is that, as you have pointed out, it is quite cheap for an L lens. I can buy a good used copy and invest the rest of the money saved into something else I like. The Tokina is about $200-300 more expensive.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Marsu42 on February 01, 2013, 01:46:58 PM
The thing that is so tempting about the 17-40mm is that, as you have pointed out, it is quite cheap for an L lens. I can buy a good used copy and invest the rest of the money saved into something else I like.

My thought exactly - though I ended up buying a new 17-40L because the used ones were too expensive (€600 new, €500 used) and this lens line is known to contain duds with decentering and other issues, I had to exchange my first copy.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: sagittariansrock on February 01, 2013, 03:44:54 PM
I'd be using the lens for landscapes and architecture.

I have filters on all my lenses currently, but I'm not opposed to the bulbous front end of the Tokina. I'm very careful and I am sure I can make do without a filter.

Thanks for your reply.

The thing that is so tempting about the 17-40mm is that, as you have pointed out, it is quite cheap for an L lens. I can buy a good used copy and invest the rest of the money saved into something else I like. The Tokina is about $200-300 more expensive.

I think that would be the most important consideration for me. If it were not for the bulbous front element, I'd be the proud owner of the Tokina today. I didn't love the sharpness of the 17-40 and sold it- on the other hand the Tokina was very good.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 01, 2013, 08:26:33 PM
Well I purchased the Tokina This afternoon. I've only shot around the house so far, but I'm really enjoying it. I'm going out with a friend in about an hour to take some shots of the industrial part of town. I'll report back. So far it seems like a pretty nice Lens though.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: sagittariansrock on February 02, 2013, 02:18:25 AM
Well I purchased the Tokina This afternoon. I've only shot around the house so far, but I'm really enjoying it. I'm going out with a friend in about an hour to take some shots of the industrial part of town. I'll report back. So far it seems like a pretty nice Lens though.

Congrats :)
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: John Thomas on February 02, 2013, 03:10:17 AM
I'd be using the lens for landscapes and architecture.

I have filters on all my lenses currently, but I'm not opposed to the bulbous front end of the Tokina. I'm very careful and I am sure I can make do without a filter.

Thanks for your reply.

The thing that is so tempting about the 17-40mm is that, as you have pointed out, it is quite cheap for an L lens. I can buy a good used copy and invest the rest of the money saved into something else I like. The Tokina is about $200-300 more expensive.

I think that would be the most important consideration for me. If it were not for the bulbous front element, I'd be the proud owner of the Tokina today. I didn't love the sharpness of the 17-40 and sold it- on the other hand the Tokina was very good.

There are filters for Tokina. See here:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/12/06/Fotodiox-launches-WonderPana-Filter-Systems-145-66 (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/12/06/Fotodiox-launches-WonderPana-Filter-Systems-145-66)

Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 02, 2013, 03:21:16 PM
Thanks for the information on the filters, John. I will look into this further.

I took the lens out yesterday night. Unfortunately I only got 28 shots off with my 5D2 before getting kicked out by the police of the railway yard I was near. :( Oh well...I'll try to take a few more pictures tonight. I had quite a slow shutter speed last night and did notice quite a bit of flare...but it was an unusual looking flare and it kind of added a cool effect to the pictures.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Marsu42 on February 02, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/12/06/Fotodiox-launches-WonderPana-Filter-Systems-145-66 (http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/12/06/Fotodiox-launches-WonderPana-Filter-Systems-145-66)

Ugh, not exactly inconspicuous or easy to transport :-o

and did notice quite a bit of flare...

Flare control is an issue with uwa lenses since you are bound to have light sources in the frame, the aps-c flavors differ quite significantly, too ... let us know your findings, personally I'm happy my 17-40L is said to be rather flare resistant. Btw: Removing flare is hard to impossible, but if you want to add cool looking flares, there are multiple nice photoshop plugins out there :-o
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 04, 2013, 08:17:13 PM
I unfortunately haven't had more opportunities to play with the lens after the other night.

Here's some sample shots.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8444168180_0e89520fed_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444168180/)
IMG_0681 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444168180/#) by HadrianRobinson (http://www.flickr.com/people/hadrianrobinson/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8505/8444166914_605a63a129_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444166914/)
IMG_0685 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444166914/#) by HadrianRobinson (http://www.flickr.com/people/hadrianrobinson/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8373/8444166088_ce45b20573_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444166088/)
IMG_0688 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8444166088/#) by HadrianRobinson (http://www.flickr.com/people/hadrianrobinson/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8360/8443075169_7999b2b1d4_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8443075169/)
IMG_0690 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hadrianrobinson/8443075169/#) by HadrianRobinson (http://www.flickr.com/people/hadrianrobinson/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: SwampYankee on February 04, 2013, 08:33:05 PM
I have the Tokina.  Fast & sharp.  Really sharp.  Big & heavy too and will flare just a bit if the light source catches from the side.  Highly recommended for landscapes and really shines on low light interiors.  Don't underestimate the weight, on a 5D3 it's quite a neckfull.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 04, 2013, 09:24:52 PM
It is heavy for sure! I had it on my 5D Mark II with grip on the other night. Without a strap the whole setup would be very uncomfortable to hold for extended periods of time.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: wickidwombat on February 05, 2013, 12:45:26 AM
the 77mm 17-40L can even be fitted with 82mm filters with a stop-up adapter since the Canon lens caps I own are designed to take 1 step larger filters (67->77 & 77->82).

Really?

you learn something every day, i'm gonna check mine out.
I wonder if my 82mm filters will fit inside my 70-200 hood  :-\
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: alexanderferdinand on February 05, 2013, 01:06:38 AM
Had the 17-40 for a weekend; it was too soft on the edges, and heavy chromatic abberations, even at f8.
The 16-28 now I like a lot. Eqaul in the centre, much better in the corners.
Yes, its heavy. 16mm is wide on a FF, but only going up to 28mm demands lenschanging more often.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Marsu42 on February 05, 2013, 02:29:40 AM
the 77mm 17-40L can even be fitted with 82mm filters with a stop-up adapter since the Canon lens caps I own are designed to take 1 step larger filters (67->77 & 77->82).
Really?

I can really say it for the 17-40L (I currently use it with a 82mm clear filter) and the 70-300L (even takes 82mm on top of a 67 mm filter). But when using a step-up you cannot remove the hood anymore and, screw on the filter from the front...
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 05, 2013, 02:35:55 AM
Definitely good information. I didn't know this either.

the 77mm 17-40L can even be fitted with 82mm filters with a stop-up adapter since the Canon lens caps I own are designed to take 1 step larger filters (67->77 & 77->82).
Really?

I can really say it for the 17-40L (I currently use it with a 82mm clear filter) and the 70-300L (even takes 82mm on top of a 67 mm filter). But when using a step-up you cannot remove the hood anymore and, screw on the filter from the front...
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Marsu42 on February 05, 2013, 02:40:30 AM
Here's some sample shots.

Btw: These are very strong flares - it's great if you like them, but if that happens whenever having lights in the scene would be a big problem for me since I often shoot nighttime tripod. I don't know about the 16-35L, but I can say that this wouldn't happen with the 17-40L.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: John Thomas on February 05, 2013, 03:46:52 AM
I have the Tokina.  Fast & sharp.  Really sharp.  Big & heavy too and will flare just a bit if the light source catches from the side.  Highly recommended for landscapes and really shines on low light interiors.  Don't underestimate the weight, on a 5D3 it's quite a neckfull.

+1

Also the distortions are much less than Canon's 17-40 & Canon 16-35L. OTOH, Tokina flares more. Oh well... you cannot have everything. But in my experience, I stick mostly with Tokina these days. Better image quality overall. (Sharper & less distortions, as I said)
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on February 05, 2013, 11:39:34 AM
Tokina is the one third party lens that I'd buy.  They are well built and reliable.  However, I got a 20% off deal on a new Canon 16-35mmL last year, and bought it.
 
I find that ultra wide lenses are not my thing though, so I may sell it for a 24-70mm MK II instead, I still have my old Tokina 17mm f/3.5 Prime for the few times I need really wide shots, and I also have a 15mm FE which also seldom gets used.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 06, 2013, 06:59:12 PM
UWA lenses are definitely a specialty item. I don't see myself using this Tokina for much other than landscapes. It is a really fun lens, however.
Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: shunsai on February 06, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
I bought the Tokina 16-28mm about a month ago and I love it!
I'm no expert on UWA photography, but I'm having fun trying to get the hang of it.
My first impressions have been that it's very sharp, good color, low distortion, and affordable. A fantastic lens!

There were instances where I had some flare when the light source was directly in the picture, but it didn't strike me as a major issue or big detractor from the overall quality of this lens.

Here are a couple I took recently.

(http://victorjayfoster.com/forum_uploads/potn/IMG_0880potn.JPG)

(http://victorjayfoster.com/forum_uploads/potn/IMG_0877potn.JPG)

(http://victorjayfoster.com/forum_uploads/potn/IMG_0931potn.JPG)

(http://victorjayfoster.com/forum_uploads/potn/IMG_0940potn.JPG)

Title: Re: Tokina AT-X 16-28mm F2.8 vs. Canon EF 17-40mm F4
Post by: R1-7D on February 06, 2013, 11:31:25 PM
Nice shots! Glad you're enjoying your lens. I am enjoying mine more and more now.

I bought the Tokina 16-28mm about a month ago and I love it!
I'm no expert on UWA photography, but I'm having fun trying to get the hang of it.
My first impressions have been that it's very sharp, good color, low distortion, and affordable. A fantastic lens!

There were instances where I had some flare when the light source was directly in the picture, but it didn't strike me as a major issue or big detractor from the overall quality of this lens.

Here are a couple I took recently.

(http://shunsai-inc.com/potn/IMG_0880potn.JPG)

(http://shunsai-inc.com/potn/IMG_0877potn.JPG)

(http://shunsai-inc.com/potn/IMG_0931potn.JPG)

(http://shunsai-inc.com/potn/IMG_0940potn.JPG)