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Gear Talk => Lenses => Topic started by: rmfagan on February 17, 2013, 07:38:41 PM

Title: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: rmfagan on February 17, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
So I'm making the switch to full frame, not all at once, but over the course of this year. I could use some feedback on my choices and the order I should be purchasing to maximize utility and versatility. I currently have a 60D, 10-22, 50 1.8 II, and 70-200 f/4 IS, and 430EX II.

I shoot a lot of portraits. I quite enjoy shooting wildlife and do so on several trips a year (though I am inclined to rent for that as needed). I enjoy landscape as well and while I consider it a priority, I don't know if I do so enough to warrant the 24 TS. I've also been working on starscapes and such. I travel quite a bit and take a fair bit of street stuff as well as finding myself in dim churches, museums, etc meaning I'd like some fast glass. Also macro. Lastly, while I haven't shot a wedding, I have done some events and performances and would like to make that a larger part of my shooting. I also may be gearing toward work as a PJ at some point soon.

What I'm looking at...

(sell 60D, 10-22, 70-200, keep 50 b/c why the hell not?)

5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?)

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even)
70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife)
135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff)
24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro)
100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point)
50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup)

MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last.

So...help me out. What would you change given my shooting tastes? Does the order of acquisition matter? I considered the 50L but I figured I'd have low light covered well and the difference in price nets me the L macro at a minimum.

Thanks in advance for all the help! If you want some degree of feel for what I shoot, visit www.rfaganphotography.com (http://www.rfaganphotography.com).
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on February 17, 2013, 07:45:13 PM
Get a low cost FFbody  and invest in a good lens.  A 24-105mmL is a excellent start, so a 6D Kit might be the way to go.  I'd keep your 50mm 1.8 and 70-200 and go for a 100-400mmL for wildlife.  Those two lenses along with what you own will be a very good start. You may also get a 430 EX II flash. 
If you want to do macro, there are a lot of excellent Macro lenses, but you than can get into expensive tripoods and macro heads, it might be better to wait.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: rmfagan on February 17, 2013, 08:52:44 PM
I may consider the 6D but given that I quite enjoy wildlife and even a lot of wide aperture portraiture where focus-recompose can be an issue, the AF worries me. I also have never been a "normal zoom" range type and so see no utility in the 24-105 for me. I don't even really care to purchase the 24-70 II, though I'd rent it, perhaps, for a wedding if needed. I'm typically a shooter who likes 50, or knows whether I want wide or tele, so the rest seems wasted on me, given the utility in the other options I mentioned. Perhaps I'm missing something...
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Menace on February 17, 2013, 09:04:00 PM

What I'm looking at...

(sell 60D, 10-22, 70-200, keep 50 b/c why the hell not?)


5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?) -YES to 5D

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even) - YES

70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife) - YES

135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff) - NO - 70-200 will cover this range at present although you can always get it later if you think you still need it.

24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro) -YES

100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point) - L is excellent investment if it's within your budget. I've had both and they are excellent.

50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup) - YES

MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last - Later


Hope this helps

Cheers
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: chauncey on February 17, 2013, 09:43:30 PM
I think that I've got about every "L" lens canon makes yet 99% of the time I mount these three on my 1Ds MkIII...70-200 f/2.8, 185 macro, and a 300 f/2.8.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: jdramirez on February 17, 2013, 10:28:45 PM

What I'm looking at...

(sell 60D, 10-22, 70-200, keep 50 b/c why the hell not?)


5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?) - I understand there is a value to the 1 series, but I think the 5d will suffice and exceed your needs.

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even) - I've heard from others, and I personally have no experience with the lens, that it is a bit disappointing and it doesn't really have quite the POP of other L lenses.  I think it is a fine option and much better than the 17-40 (which should go without saying), but I'd lean towards no.  Maybe considering some wide angle primes as an alternative...

70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife) - I've been disappointed with the 70-200mm f/4L USM and the f/2.8L USM... but I know the 70-200 f/2.8L IS ii is king... and for your needs, I would think it would be a great addition.

135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff) - I want it... I don't have it... I know it is better than the 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS for portraiture.  And while the 70-200mm f/2.8L is II covers the focal length, I think the 135 is a hard to put into words, but worth getting because it is individually worth it.

24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro) -  I don't have an opinion, but I did suggest a complement of primes rather than the 16-35... so sure.

100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point) - I have this lens and I'm in love with it... I don't do much macro, but I really like have that as an option when the situation arises.  Having said that, I want the 135 and I have a difficult time rationalizing have both lenses in my bag.  I think if I get the 135L I'll wind up selling the 100. 

50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup) - That should be a no brainer.  I know there are some who like the f/1.2 but put a hood on the 50mm and don't drop it and it should be fine for you for a long time.  The f/1.4 is sharper than the f/1.2 and it is just a great value.  I owned the f/1.8 and I really like that lens and while I don't like admitting it, the f/1.4 is much better.

MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last - Get a 2nd 430 and a few umbrellas.  Then you can play with the light in different ways to really bring out the detail of your shots.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: LostArk on February 17, 2013, 10:50:39 PM
My advice:

70-200 f/2.8 IS II
135L

Having both of these is redundant and HEAVY. I'd imagine 99% of the time you'd only be taking one or the other, so you might as well only invest in one or the other. You don't shoot sports so the zoom isn't necessary, so I wouldn't bother with it. The 135 is much better for portraits, though you may find it a hair long, or that f/2 nukes backgrounds too much. For landscapes the 70-200 f/4 you already have is perfect, so I suggest you keep that and get an 85mm instead. The 85 1.2 destroys the 85 1.8 in all areas and is the finest portrait and low light lens currently available anywhere. It's worth it to me to lug it around, and really it's not that heavy - about 50% lighter than the 70-200 IS II. It's also better than the 135 for street stuff and events/stage stuff.

16-35 II
24 1.4

Again, carrying both of these would be redundant and heavy. The 24L sucks for astrophotography, as it suffers from major coma. For this application, the Rokinon 14mm is the best value, and it's small / light. That being said, I think the 24 1.4 is the better choice, as it blows the 16-35 out of the water in terms of sharpness and of course can go to f/1.4. What can the 16-35 do? Take massive filters and turn the corners of the frame into mush? For landscape and weight / versatility considerations, I might also think about getting a 17-40 to complement your 70-200.

100 Macro

Get the L version, but not because of weather sealing unless you decide to get a 1DX. This is a great lens choice especially if you go with the 85 1.2 instead of the 135L, as the macro can do double duty as a portrait lens, rendering the 135L redundant.

50 1.4

No brainer on this one. Might as well scoop one up before it's replaced with a new $800 version.

5D3

I don't see any reason why you'd need a 5D3 except for spray-and-pray capability. Unless you need FPS or AI-Servo performance, the 6D is the better camera. A better plan than 5D3 > 1D4 would be 6D (or even 5D2) > 1DX. Also, if you plan on using lenses with fast apertures, the 5D3's viewfinder only shows depth of field down to what, f/3.5-4? Coming from crop you might not notice right away, since your fastest lens (the nifty fifty) has an equivalent DOF vs FF with the same framing as an f/4 lens on full frame. The only Canon cameras currently in production that take focusing screens are the 6D and 1DX (and the discontinued 5D2). This is also a consideration if you ever buy a tilt shift lens.

600-EX-RT is a huge boon for photographers and if I were you this would be at the top of my list, not the bottom. Being able to control an off camera flash directly from the camera's menu using radio without having to use proprietary transceivers is SICK. I'm finally no longer jealous of Nikon's flash system, and with the exception of sync speed, I'd say the Canon system is now superior.

So in the end:

Sell:

60D, 10-22

Keep:

70-200 f/4

Acquire:

24L
85L
100L
50 1.4
17-40L
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: extremeinstability on February 17, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
I just made a similar jump and wound up with these and a couple in there I didn't keep...  http://www.extremeinstability.com/topic-14-21-50-lenses.htm (http://www.extremeinstability.com/topic-14-21-50-lenses.htm)

24L for astro I'd probably rethink that one.  Stars will have huge ol wings on full frame well in from corners and even stopped down some. 
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: SiliconVoid on February 18, 2013, 01:08:56 AM
Seeing as you are wanting to upgrade your body, and taking into consideration your shooting style, I would also dump the 60D an 10-22 for obvious reasons - keep everything else. I would suggest putting the difference between the 6D and 5DmkIII towards one or more of those lens purchases.

I would not worry too much about the AF on the 6D. Primarily because I did not see anything in your gallery that would require even fast focusing, much less worrying about cross-type/tracking border points. I have used a 5DmkII since the day it was available, and its AF system is merely serviceable when it is on - and unfortunately pure crap the rest of the time. (Coming from manual focus days though it is not that big of a deal for me.) The 6D may only have two more AF points but make no mistake it is a different creature, not a recycled AF, it is an improvement in every way - quite accurate and quick at the corners on the one I rented. Unless you need higher fps and best quality video, I do not see the point in spending the extra on the 5DmkIII - though it is a fabulous body in its own right.
(The recommendation of the 6D and savings is also because you mentioned the 1DmkIV being something you have considered adding later for its speed and durability.)

I propose a little deeper consideration of some factors in your specific transition in regard to new lens acquisition and upgrade. In going from the 60D to some current full frame body you will find your lenses perform a little differently (exposure, dof, and fov) so I would break your list into two sections. One being lenses you may want to get at the same time or as soon as you can to meet a demand not currently served - and the other section is lenses that you wait to see how your current lenses perform.

In the 'get now' section:
16-35mm (L)
100 Macro (L)
50mm/1.4 (but only because of build and higher blade count aperture)
85mm/1.2 (L)

As you mentioned not being a fan of standard zooms (24-70mm) I would get the 85mm instead of the 135mm. 85mm is still a premier portrait range, and that specific lens is just insane. Your 70-200 can/will cover the same range as the 135mm for everything else.

In the 'wait and see' section:
70-200mm/2.8

I think you will find new life in the 70-200mm/4 on the likes of a 6D or 5DmkIII. I would wait to see what you get regarding aperture and exposure compared to your current body. You will also be getting closer to your subject to achieve the same 60D framing and will notice that you get different dof at f/4 than you were getting before.

I would not worry about the 24mm/1.4 at all because you are likely to find the 16-35mm serves that same purpose just fine.
As you stated you were not able to completely justify the 24mmTS I would skip that range completely as a separate lens and just use the 16-35mm until you find that justification.

Oh - and pick up a wireless commander or master capable flash unit to go with your 430 as the 6D has no remote capability.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: robbymack on February 18, 2013, 01:39:33 AM
Id probably keep the 70-200 f4 IS, personally this is one lens you would have to pry from my cold dead hands. the 2.8 IS ii is really great, but heavy and IMHO that kills the deal for me. Id caution you against what seems to be rather grandiose gear plans.  You basically outlined a near top of the line kit most gear heads would drool over (save maybe a 24-70ii and a 85L), many a photo business has been consumed by overly high start up costs to fund the gear itch that doesn't translate into paying gigs.  I looked through your website, there are some nice images there, but I didn't get the feeling this is paying all your bills right now (just an opinion, don't flame me for it).  so be careful chasing gear, you're better off shooting, and shooting some more, and when you don't feel like it continue shooting.  A pro photog friend of mine is known to say of a difficult/new shoot anyone has embarked on, "s**t I get that shot right first time because I've f-ed it up a thousand times more than they have." 
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: rmfagan on February 18, 2013, 09:16:02 AM
First off, I'm tremendously grateful for such a number of insightful posts. Thank you all so much!

When I originally posted, the only two things I felt sure about on that list (besides the unanimously approved decision for the 50 1.4) was that the 5d III was for me and the 70-200 upgrade was a no brainer. So it is interesting to me that it appears that these two items are the least supported for my uses. I'll admit my very first thoughts were to save the difference with the 6D, but comments about its AF scared me off. I sorted my catalog and indeed found the reduction of SS would have factored into less that 1% of any shots I've taken. Also the build quality was of slight concern, though I suppose I haven't broken my 60D yet, so...

As for lenses, I had never considered the fact that the FF jump would breathe new life into the 70-200/4. That's a great point, so thanks SiliconVoid and all. I can always rent is I NEED the 2.8 and buying later is still on the table, but for now, that potentially saves $2k from the camera upgrades. Anyone want to offer a counter point on why I should still jump to the 2.8? I will say that weight doesn't bother me.

On a secondary note, I could see forgoing the 2.8 to buy a 300/2.8 IS I at a later date as well. Compressed portraits, wildlife, etc. At ~3k used, thats not terrible.

I had no idea on the 24L II...glad I posted. I don't play with star field much, but I'd like to. I've now seen the samples illustrating the coma. I wonder can that be PP at all? It would also appear that EVERY Canon UW or wide has coma or sharpness issues that preclude it, yet I see some great examples even with these so-called tainted lenses. Is this a case of good enough is good?

Regarding the 85... it is such a great piece of glass. Pricey. I'm surprised nearly everyone has told me to forgo the 135 for one thing or the other, given that arguably my greatest focus is on portraiture, yet I'm looking for versatility to branch out. My biggest nudges towards the 135L were focus speed (just how bad is the 85, really?) and price. Talk me into this...

Lastly, those that looked at that site, which admittedly needs some work. Any constructive critiques? You're dead right in that photography does not yet pay all the bills, though it does a few. I'd love to hear what I might improve.

Thanks so much for all the help. Just one of many reasons CR is a daily read for me.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Random Orbits on February 18, 2013, 10:33:24 AM
Some food for thought:

The thing that you should determine is how accurate the 6D's non-center focus points work with fast glass.  Coming from a 5D II, the non-center focus points were horrible when compared to the 5D III, where the majority of the f/2.8 points work very well.  Accurate non-center points give you a lot more creative freedom.  I haven't tried a 6D, but if the outer points aren't as accurate, then I'd still suggest a 5D III for the AF alone, even if it is used mainly for portraiture.  Try one in a store with a f/1.2 or f/1.4 lens and see which one works better for you.

If you are comfortable without a mid-range zoom as you stated, then it might be worth considering the 24L II and a TS-E 17 in place of a wide angle zoom.  The TS-E 17 can also take the 1.4x.  That would give you the option between fast glass and perspective correction.  Plus, the TS-E will put the 16-35 to shame, but it is manual everything.  I'd suggest renting it to see if it suits your style.  Landscapes aren't limited to any particular focal length, so it is nice to have a wide range to choose from.

I'd start with getting the camera body first, with the 24L II and the 100L.  Take your time with the rest.  It'll take some time to determine whether or not a 70-200L II or a 135L or a 85L II will work better for you.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: robbymack on February 18, 2013, 12:30:33 PM
I'd definitely say the 6d is probably more than adequate for general portraiture, landscapes, etc and the savings over the 5diii is no laughing matter. Id even suggest just getting the kit 24-105 to start, its a screaming deal in the kit then you have lots of time to figure out what youd really want in new lenses. Unless you were into full time sports or wildlife the 6d is by and large a better camera than a 5diii. Sure the outer focus points aren't as good, but people have been getting along just fine without super accurate outer focus points for a very long time. In any case my feeling is that most portraiture isn't really done totally wide open and if it is you're far better off using live view and MF on a tripod than hoping the af nails it and too much caffiene doesnt throw the focus with a jittery hand (just an opinion I'm sure others feel different). I've never owned the 85L only rented a few times. I'd much rather shoot my 85 1.8 that that beast simply because I don't want to carry it all day. The af "slowness" is blown way out of proportion, there is a lot of glass of move so it takes time and since I don't see many folks using it to shoot sports I don't really see it as a problem. I do love the 135L but sometimes the working distance can be a annoyance hence I always have an 85 in the bag. As for constructive critique of your photos, about the only thing I would say is to start working on your off camera lighting techniques. I'd honestly get a speedlight here pretty soon (the 600 is overkill to start with, get a 430) and an umbrella and flash cord (no need to go wireless when you first start). Start reading strobist.blogspot.com.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: GMCPhotographics on February 19, 2013, 06:47:45 AM

5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?)

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even)
70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife)
135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff)
24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro)
100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point)
50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup)

MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last.

Thanks in advance for all the help! If you want some degree of feel for what I shoot, visit www.rfaganphotography.com (http://www.rfaganphotography.com).

I would choose a 5DIII over a 1D4 any day. Higher rez, better iso ability....a quiet mode which is spookily quiet and a build quality which is very close to a 1D series. It's AF system is better than the 1D4 too. It's not like any previous 5D series cameras. If you are shooting weddings then a pair of 5DIII's are probably the most perfect fit from any brand....those cameras were designed to shoot weddings.

16-35IIL is probably the most versatile ultra wide currently available. Sure it could do with an improvement...but it's a great all round package and does what it says on the box very well.

You won't need a 70-200 f2.8 and a 135L...they are very close in range and application. Either sell your zoom and replace with a prime or stick with your current zoom.

I personally prefer the 35L over the 24IIL, but both are optical gems and great performers. If I was using a 16-35IIL, I would choose a 35L. But the best thing to do is rent them both and see which one floats your boat. Your making long term investments...so it's wise to make informed choices.

The 100L macro is sharper than any 100mm USM macro I've tried and the IS is great for handheld wide open shots. It has better contrast and colours too.

If I was buying a 35L, I wouldn't bother with the 50mm f1.4...they are very close together in range...just half a foot step closer. Optically, the 35L is in a different league...as well as build.

The 600RT is a great flash, but it's radio options need further units and triggers to have a working system. If this is an area you wish to explore later by adding further units, then it's the model to go for. If not, then a 580 would probably be a better fit for you and a bit cheaper too.

Your welcome :D
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Rienzphotoz on February 19, 2013, 08:04:58 AM
When I read the title "Help Me Build My Lens Stable!", I thought you were asking us to donate our lenses so you could build a collection of your own ... just kidding ;D
Your selection is brillitant, I wouldn't really change anything
About the order of which lens to get first is a difficult one ... but if I were you, I'd get them in the follwing order:
i) 16-35 f/2.8 L II & 70-200 f/2.8 L II IS
ii) 600 EX-RT (x2) & ST-E3-RT
iii)100 f/2.8 L IS
iv) 24 f/1.4 L
v) 135 f/2 L
v1) 50 f/1.4
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: alexanderferdinand on February 22, 2013, 03:12:00 AM
I also highly recommend the 35L.
Awesome on a FF- Body.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Dick on February 22, 2013, 05:04:16 AM
I also highly recommend the 35L.
Awesome on a FF- Body.

Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.

35mm is really great. I don't know why people prefer a 24mm lens when with the 35mm you actually place people in other spots than the middle. With a 24mm people will already start to turn into mutants.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Hobby Shooter on February 22, 2013, 05:24:27 AM
I also highly recommend the 35L.
Awesome on a FF- Body.

Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.

35mm is really great. I don't know why people prefer a 24mm lens when with the 35mm you actually place people in other spots than the middle. With a 24mm people will already start to turn into mutants.
I am not selling my 35L, especially not for a Sigma. I don't care how good reviews it's getting. So they scored a lucky one on this, but we haven't seen if it's a good quality lens that will last over time.

In terms of lens recommendation, I'm obviously not a pro, but there are three things in common I hear from the pros I know and others I have talked to: 16-35, 24-70 and 70-200 (the good one). Take it from there and you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: alexanderferdinand on February 22, 2013, 01:56:34 PM
Exchange the 35L?
Sure not. My copy is fine.

And since my lemonesque 16-35 II I know definitely I don`t care if it is a Canon or a L.
A fine glass from Tokina (16-28) replaced this one.

The main thing is to feel comfortable with the equipment based on the results.
My 2 €- cents.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Rienzphotoz on February 23, 2013, 06:16:00 AM
Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma.
Where did you get this information?
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: TommyLee on February 23, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
your choices
16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even)
70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife)
135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff)
24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro)
100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point)
50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup)

I say ditch the 24 1.4, 50 1.4....get the Sigma 1.4 to replace BOTH..
and when Canon wakes up... and delivers the 35L II with perfection bokeh and sharp like Sigma...get it instead

I am torn about the
16-35 and 70-200 f2.8
I have both the 2.8 II and f4 I.S. ..
I feel my f2.8II ...  is just too heavy...

I also have the 16-35 II ..a good lens but 14L so good...

zoom kit
I say get 14L, 24-70 II f2.8 ... keep 70-200 f4 I.S. (mine is the sharpest zoom I have EVER seen)
got to your 135 f2 if you want speed

so
14L,  24-70 f2.8 and 135/100L I.S macro ..... or 70-200 f4 I.S(smaller ...actually portable0
3 lenses cover soo much here....

put the Sigma in the middle of a prime kit
14L II,  Sigma 35 f1.4 (skip Canon ...I sold mine) ... then 135 f2

just me looking at reducing my kit ...having most of these options ...and chosing what to give up...

I want all my stuff in one medium bag... 1/2 of a light travel backpack...holding clothes too....
travel light..get simple

carry 3-4 lenses
14L, 35 1.4,  24-70 f2.8 II,  135 -OR- 100 I.S macro
(yes the I.S. is useful.. get I.S on any longer than 70mm lens)

I am almost there

TOM
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: RS2021 on February 23, 2013, 11:52:04 AM

Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.


I have my 35L still...my friends with 35L hold on to theirs ...so I guess only the sigma folks got the news flash on Canon 35L owners selling off their lens and running to get a sigma? ;)
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: RS2021 on February 23, 2013, 11:56:41 AM


I say ditch the 24 1.4, 50 1.4....get the Sigma 1.4 to replace BOTH..
and when Canon wakes up... and delivers the 35L II with perfection bokeh and sharp like Sigma...get it instead


Have you considered a career in comedy? ;)
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Menace on February 23, 2013, 03:56:39 PM

Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.


I have my 35L still...my friends with 35L hold on to theirs ...so I guess only the sigma folks got the news flash on Canon 35L owners selling off their lens and running to get a sigma? ;)

Perhaps, people missing a 35 from their kit are going for the Sigma as 35L may have been out of budget?

Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Axilrod on February 23, 2013, 05:10:34 PM
Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.

35mm is really great. I don't know why people prefer a 24mm lens when with the 35mm you actually place people in other spots than the middle. With a 24mm people will already start to turn into mutants.

Different people have different styles, 35mm for one person may be preferable but some love 24mm. All of this is your opinion and not everyone agrees with that.  And I don't know anyone that got rid of their 35L for the Sigma, I know people that have chosen the Sigma OVER the 35L, but that's about it.  The 35L is still a stellar lens, the sure the Sigma is sharper but sharpness isn't everything.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: angox on February 23, 2013, 05:36:02 PM
Considering that I also shoot mainly portraits and travel/landscape, I'd suggest Zeiss 21mm f/2.8, Canon 85mm 1.2L ii, 70-200mm f/4 IS, and some flashes. I saw that you put the flashes as later. I am assuming from your current gear that you do not use flash a lot. However, these little buggers are really useful. However, you need to also shell out more for some modifiers. I would even consider these before some other glasses you mentioned though. It really could give your portrait work a 'pop'. :)
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: sdsr on February 23, 2013, 06:51:35 PM
The only lens on your list that I would question is the 70-200 2.8, not because it isn't a great lens but because you already have a great 70-200 lens.  In good light the only real advantage the 2.8 has is in background blurring, and even there you may think the difference is minor.  If you want to freeze action in low light the 2.8 has an obvious advantage, and you can use lower ISOs - on the other hand, you will surely be pleasantly surprised at how well high ISO photos come out on a 6D/5DIII (6D perhaps slightly better than 5DIII in that regard).  Depending on what you would use such a lens for, you might conclude that all that extra weight and expense would be better directed elsewhere, such as a longer lens....
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: dickgrafixstop on February 24, 2013, 02:19:56 PM
Keep the 70-200 f4.0 - buy the 1.4 or 2.0 extender.  $500.00
Buy a 17-40 zoom instead of the 16-35 and save $800, $800
get a fast prime - my choice would be 35mm f1.4  $1300
add relatively fast mid telephoto - your choice  85mm f1.8 or 100f2.8macro (non IS) $450
get a better flash ( and remote triggering for your existing 430  $750
take what's left over and choose your camera
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Canon_Wisconsin on February 28, 2013, 01:35:33 PM
Take my advice with a grain of salt, but it may be worth buying the 85 f/1.8 for $359, saving yourself a bundle of cash over the L one... I've read enough reviews and two different photographers who tried both said they preferred the 1.8.

As for the 135L, if you enjoy portrait photography, that would be #1 on my list. I have read enough reviews and it is highly regarded as an amazing portrait lens. I did nab it off Canon's 20% off refurb sale ($696) and have been lusting over it since November, and I do think it would be a wise choice.  An excellent piece of glass and it gets 5 stars on Amazon which doesn't always happen.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Rienzphotoz on March 02, 2013, 05:41:51 AM
Take my advice with a grain of salt, but it may be worth buying the 85 f/1.8 for $359, saving yourself a bundle of cash over the L one... I've read enough reviews and two different photographers who tried both said they preferred the 1.8.
+1
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: TommyLee on July 16, 2013, 11:16:01 AM
I also highly recommend the 35L.
Awesome on a FF- Body.

Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma. I would highly recommend the Sigma instead of the 35L.

35mm is really great. I don't know why people prefer a 24mm lens when with the 35mm you actually place people in other spots than the middle. With a 24mm people will already start to turn into mutants.

yes I sold my 35L which was a good sharp copy..
the Sigma 35 1.4 is sharper wideopen than the Canon @ f2 or f2.8....

and cleaner too

and 35mm is - IMO - a more useful range than 50mm

so there you have a fast lens that is usable wide open.....
(delivers most of its sharpness / quality wideopen)

the 135 is also usable wideopen

16-35 II and 70-200 f4 I.S covers the rest of the needs...maybe a macro if you want that
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my fav set is 14L II, 35 sig, 135L f2

seems all you really need to add ... to your list...is the sig 35 1.4.

just
my opinion

TOM
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: 7enderbender on July 16, 2013, 12:47:32 PM


MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last.

So...help me out. What would you change given my shooting tastes? Does the order of acquisition matter? I considered the 50L but I figured I'd have low light covered well and the difference in price nets me the L macro at a minimum.

Thanks in advance for all the help! If you want some degree of feel for what I shoot, visit www.rfaganphotography.com (http://www.rfaganphotography.com).


I know you are asking about lenses (lots of them and expensive ones) but what surprises me is that the flash is such an afterthought. I've come to love my speedlites and use them quite a bit nowadays. I looked at your web site (nice design by the way) and found that in the portrait section I would have shot 90% of those with some kind of flash- even if just to create some catch lights. Matter of taste of course and there are folks who strictly want to do "available light".

And just like that everything else is a matter of personal preferences. I like fast fast primes. Others like the flexibility of the god Canon zooms. Can't really go wrong either way. Or a mix of both. The two lenses I would never give up again are the 135 and the 50L. But that's me with a current main interest in people photography. For your landscape and wildlife work you clearly want something different.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: tron on July 16, 2013, 01:14:03 PM
Plenty of people are actually selling their 35L copies to purchase the new 35mm Sigma.
Where did you get this information?
+1 I do have a 35L 1.4 and I am not selling it. I am not interested in Sigma/Tokina/Tamron/etc...
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: tron on July 16, 2013, 01:22:31 PM
What I'm looking at...

(sell 60D, 10-22, 70-200, keep 50 b/c why the hell not?)

5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?)
5D III would be my choice! (In fact I do have it and I have not regretted it)

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even)
OK direct replacement of 10-22

70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife)
Not so fast. You are coming from a lightweight set. Have you tried 70-200 2.8 IS II? It is heavy!
Plus, your 70-200 is an EXCELLENT lens.


135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff)
OK THIS IS PERFECT!

24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro)
As you said not so good as the TS. You can forget it for astro. It has HUGE coma!
http://www.lenstip.com/245.7-Lens_review-Canon_EF_24_mm_f_1.4L_II_USM_Coma_and_astigmatism.html (http://www.lenstip.com/245.7-Lens_review-Canon_EF_24_mm_f_1.4L_II_USM_Coma_and_astigmatism.html)

Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: applecider on July 16, 2013, 02:01:06 PM
My 2 cents:

First I am coming from  a wildlife first perspective, that colors my choices. 

I would get the 70-200 f2.8 l ii and add a 2x converter, you get almost as good image quality as the 100-400 or 400L, and at a price of only the converter.  I think it will also work with your 135L.  Renting say a 300 f 2.8 L is 140 for 4 days if you do that 5x a year that's 700/year, doesn't take long to make ownership worth while.  And availability can be a problem if renting at least if wanting a spur of the moment trip.  I picked the 300 for reasons below.

If money is someday not a problem I love the 300 2.8 L ii is, it is light for a super, can be extended to 420 or 600 and is hand holdable and airline-able.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: Jay Khaos on July 16, 2013, 02:26:28 PM
Considering:
1. Price doesn't seem to be a huge factor (judging by your list)
2. Shoot a lot of portraits (mostly portraits?)

5DIII with 85mm 1.2 would absolutely be my first 2 purchases, no questions.  Next, the 70-200 2.8 IS II.  I've went through a lot of gear, I started fresh not too long ago doing mainly portraits and product/stock photos—and that is exactly the route I went and I'm very happy with the decision
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: BozillaNZ on July 16, 2013, 10:11:20 PM
See people have different preferences, some would be happy to take 70-200, 300, 400 and shoot all day, others perfer 16-35 and 14.

To get a all around set you can start with 16-35 and 70-200, then start adding primes later. No need to hurry in buying whole bunch of lenses only to find out you won't use half of them.
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: bholliman on July 16, 2013, 10:49:58 PM
I disagree. Now that there are some very excellent 24-70's, forget the 24-105 because at the wide end it is useless due to distortion.

The lens to get would be the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC.

The 24-105 is hardly useless, its a very good lens and a terrific value.  24mm is not its best focal length, but its very sharp with minimal distortion from 35mm up.  The Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC is a step up, but 30-40% more expensive.  Canon's 24-70 2.8 II is the best normal zoom, but expensive...
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: jdramirez on July 16, 2013, 10:54:51 PM

I disagree. Now that there are some very excellent 24-70's, forget the 24-105 because at the wide end it is useless due to distortion.


I don't have a very skilled eye when it comes to noticing distortion, but I hit the little button in Lightroom and boom... good bye distortion.  Though as I said... I don't have an eye for noticing it... so maybe it is still there. 
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: RGomezPhotos on July 17, 2013, 01:19:27 AM
So I'm making the switch to full frame, not all at once, but over the course of this year. I could use some feedback on my choices and the order I should be purchasing to maximize utility and versatility. I currently have a 60D, 10-22, 50 1.8 II, and 70-200 f/4 IS, and 430EX II.

I shoot a lot of portraits. I quite enjoy shooting wildlife and do so on several trips a year (though I am inclined to rent for that as needed). I enjoy landscape as well and while I consider it a priority, I don't know if I do so enough to warrant the 24 TS. I've also been working on starscapes and such. I travel quite a bit and take a fair bit of street stuff as well as finding myself in dim churches, museums, etc meaning I'd like some fast glass. Also macro. Lastly, while I haven't shot a wedding, I have done some events and performances and would like to make that a larger part of my shooting. I also may be gearing toward work as a PJ at some point soon.

What I'm looking at...

(sell 60D, 10-22, 70-200, keep 50 b/c why the hell not?)

5D III (toying with the 1D IV for build and speed but perhaps as a second body next year?)

16-35 II (traveling, street, some landscape, group or environmental portraits even)
70-200 2.8 IS II (everything...weddings, events, portrait, some closer wildlife)
135L (covers my portraits, some street stuff, events/stage stuff)
24 1.4L (not as good as the TS but it's more versatile. churches, markets, lowlight, astro)
100 Macro (L or not? IS can come in handy and its only a $240 difference, weather sealing is a selling point)
50 1.4 (better bokeh than the 1.8, which I'd keep as backup or lightweight setup)

MAYBE a 600-RT but that likely comes last.

So...help me out. What would you change given my shooting tastes? Does the order of acquisition matter? I considered the 50L but I figured I'd have low light covered well and the difference in price nets me the L macro at a minimum.

Thanks in advance for all the help! If you want some degree of feel for what I shoot, visit www.rfaganphotography.com (http://www.rfaganphotography.com).

Shopping!  Fun!

I think the 5DMKIII is a fine camera which will serve you YEARS.  Anything less and you may grow out of it fairly soon.

Get the 16-35 and forget the 24.  Really, how often do you think you'll need to go above f2.8?

I LOVE my 50mm lens and use it for almost everything.  A Generalist lens.  But anything you would be using it for could be covered by better lenses.  If portraits aren't a specialty of yours, you have other lenses here that will completely suffice.  So I say no to the 50mm.  Your current 50mm would be totally fine for general-type work.

Drop the 135L.  Unless you are in a big studio and shoot in it a lot, it's really too long for any other type of portraits.  Again, if you're not a specialist, other lenses you have here will suffice.

Drop the 100 Macro.

Get the 70-200 f2.8L II.  I debated this.  It's an expensive lens.  But it's super sharp and incredibly flexible.  You can use this lens as your portrait, wildlife AND event lens. The f4 version is REALLY good and if I had a 5D Mark III, I would get the f4.  But you might want the shallow DOF with the 2.8 for portraits.  f4 isn't enough.

I'd say rent the macro before buying.  You got enough to play with and learn for a while.  :-)

If you sell your current 70-200  and 10-22, you can get an easy $1100 total.  With that, you can buy a used 580EXII, couple of good lightstands and umbrellas and Phottix 2-receiver trigger system.  You have lots of options here.  I'd like to see three lights but again, you'll have plenty to keep you busy for a long time.  :-)

So with my recommendations, you'd save $3450 which would cover the cost of your new camera.  Okay, this was fun!
Title: Re: Help Me Build My Lens Stable!
Post by: dickgrafixstop on July 17, 2013, 01:51:55 PM
Get the 6D and save $1000.  Keep the 50 f1.4 and the 70-200 f4is.  Buy the 24mm f2.8 and the 85mm f1.8 (when you sell the 10-22 you've paid for both of these) Buy the 600 flash if you need one with the money you save. 
Bank the rest and save it until you find out how this covers your shooting style.  You can sell either the 24 or
85 (or both) and buy the L versions when you're flush and if you need them.  Keep you eyes open for a new wide
zoom, an improved 35L, a tele-extender for the 70-200  and/or a second flash or whatever - including a second 6D or the next click on the full frame ride.