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Title: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Ive Lotus on March 09, 2013, 10:26:14 PM
Images shot with:
5D Mark II
Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42 with ring adapter
Ive Lotus Film picture style

Model: Danheza
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8518396637_e70910d5df_c.jpg)

Model: Danheza
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8465997879_d61a4846ba_c.jpg)

Model: Shanice
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8439153656_13559dcb62_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 11, 2013, 07:35:30 PM
I've shot the 44-2 for a year or so, but recently picked up a 44-4.  Newer design with set clicks for aperture as opposed to the preset design of the 44-2 I have.  The 44-4 seems to have a bit less micro contrast, but on a plus side, it works on my 6D without any mirror hang, even at infinity.


Here's one of my early ones from the 44-2:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7379282730_ebeea15719_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/7379282730/)
Overgrown - Explored June 16th, 2012 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/7379282730/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr

A fave: (44-2)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8166/7621300940_ac6a873d09_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/7621300940/)
Cast Off (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/7621300940/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr

Here's a 6D/44-4 shot:
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Artifex on April 11, 2013, 09:56:26 PM
A really awesome lens! Bought one a few weeks ago, I am really impress by the results!
P.S: Great pictures!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: AprilForever on April 11, 2013, 11:12:48 PM
Thanks, gentlemen! Keep them coming! I love the look of this lens!!!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Artifex on April 11, 2013, 11:33:55 PM
Guess I'll contribute too  :P
Caution, this is a bit of an abstract picture!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: akclimber on April 12, 2013, 01:41:39 AM
Thanks for this thread!  I keep thinking about buying this lens and keep postponing the purchase.  Examples like this are good incentive to just push the buy button.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 12, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
I paid $26US shipped from Russia from my 44-2.  I paid about $48 for my like new 44-4.  Kind of hard to beat for that price!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Hannes on April 18, 2013, 06:06:41 PM
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/7874557360_1967eb868e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hannesgranberg/7874557360/)

ISO 1600, f2, 1/25, Helios 44-2 58mm, handheld with a 40D in the dark

it makes for a fantastic portrait lens on crop bodies

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8249/8522407416_c03fb62707_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hannesgranberg/8522407416/)

f11 and a few seconds long shutter whilst playing with a led flashlight

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8105/8521300459_4c6c1c4dc8_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hannesgranberg/8521300459/)

in my usual walk around mode of f8 where focusing is dead easy
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 24, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
Here's a wide open Helios 44-4 shot.  I find it has a bit less micro contrast than the 44-2, but also functions perfectly on a full frame body (no mirror hang).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8677066743_6405aa8a6c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/)
Out with the Old; In with the New (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 25, 2013, 09:10:44 AM
Here's another 44-4 shot, wide open.  The slightly dreamy look suits the lens very well:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8258/8680958500_0296dde3b6.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8680958500/)
Glorious Imperfections (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8680958500/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: siegsAR on October 24, 2013, 01:49:46 AM
Had mine shipped from Ukraine yesterday, should arrive in two weeks. To my surprise I bought the Helios 44M instead of the 44-2.
Forgot I've wishlisted both lenses but when I actually purchased it the other day the 44-2 was gone and I've purchased the 44M straight-ahead forgetting they were different models.  :-\

44M costs a little bit over the 44-2,  but other than that I don't know the difference. Pics on the web doesn't show much difference tbh.

But what can you say guys? I won't be surprised if 44-2 ends up being voted.  ::)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: sanjosedave on November 01, 2013, 04:41:53 PM
Newbie to Helios

Some questions:

1. what adapter is needed for 60D and 6D?

2. is ebay the source for the lens?
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Standard on November 01, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
You'll need an M42 adapter for any EOS mount camera. Yes, Ebay is where you can purchase the lens as well as the adapter, although I would recommend purchasing the adapter through Amazon. Per your info, there are various versions of the Helios 44M. I'd recommend the 44M-4 version. If you want the best Helios version with great contrast and better swirly bokeh, I'd recommend purchasing the more expensive 77M versions.
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Snodge on December 20, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
The Helios 44m-2 is quite possible my joint favourite lens - it's just so much fun. It took it out last year (almost a year to the day) to Bath: here is the Royal Crescent taken from hopefully a different viewpoint to that that the majority of tourists take. From memory, I think this was at f/11:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Oxaj_ZPFQ3Y/UOiF2_QBobI/AAAAAAAAIfE/f9prqxvNsqM/s800/royal-crescent-bw.jpg)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on December 20, 2013, 03:48:14 PM
The Helios 44m-2 is quite possible my joint favourite lens - it's just so much fun. It took it out last year (almost a year to the day) to Bath: here is the Royal Crescent taken from hopefully a different viewpoint to that that the majority of tourists take. From memory, I think this was at f/11:

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Oxaj_ZPFQ3Y/UOiF2_QBobI/AAAAAAAAIfE/f9prqxvNsqM/s800/royal-crescent-bw.jpg)

That is a beautiful image.  Great, sharp textures.  One forgets just how sharp the Helios is stopped down because of its artistic, dreamy nature wide open.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7300/10510741893_8a274ab655_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/10510741893)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: sama on December 20, 2013, 06:19:45 PM
Had mine shipped from Ukraine yesterday, should arrive in two weeks. To my surprise I bought the Helios 44M instead of the 44-2.
Forgot I've wishlisted both lenses but when I actually purchased it the other day the 44-2 was gone and I've purchased the 44M straight-ahead forgetting they were different models.  :-\

44M costs a little bit over the 44-2,  but other than that I don't know the difference. Pics on the web doesn't show much difference tbh.

But what can you say guys? I won't be surprised if 44-2 ends up being voted.  ::)

44M is completely different in term of construction compare to the 44-2 58/2.  I have disassembled both of them.
44M is difficult to reassemble plus it works only on crop sensor dslr but doesn't fit 5D3 with an adapter - mirror problem, I will use the helicoid to DIY a tilt shift lensbaby clone. I found this DIY on the Youtube.

DIY Tilt Shift Lense from Helios 44-2 for Canon 5D MKii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8fLnlYrKo#ws)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Quasimodo on December 20, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
This, and I am embarrased to say, is the firs time I hear about these lenses. Can someone give some background?
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: tcmatthews on December 21, 2013, 08:42:58 AM
This, and I am embarrased to say, is the firs time I hear about these lenses. Can someone give some background?

After WWII the Soviets took apart a Zeiss lens factory shipped it back to Russia.  It is basically a copy of the  Carl Zeiss Biotar optical formula.  The were one of the kit options on the Zenit cameras which were one of the most manufactured cameras in the world.  This make old Helios 44 lens a very common lens in Europe.  They are rather expensive in US but if you are willing to Ebay from Europe you can get one for a very reasonable price. 

I don't have one but do have a Helios 40-4f 1.8 that is not quite as good.
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Quasimodo on December 21, 2013, 09:25:06 AM
This, and I am embarrased to say, is the firs time I hear about these lenses. Can someone give some background?

After WWII the Soviets took apart a Zeiss lens factory shipped it back to Russia.  It is basically a copy of the  Carl Zeiss Biotar optical formula.  The were one of the kit options on the Zenit cameras which were one of the most manufactured cameras in the world.  This make old Helios 44 lens a very common lens in Europe.  They are rather expensive in US but if you are willing to Ebay from Europe you can get one for a very reasonable price. 

I don't have one but do have a Helios 40-4f 1.8 that is not quite as good.

Ok, thanks. I guess that they are manual focus only?
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on December 21, 2013, 09:32:51 AM
This, and I am embarrased to say, is the firs time I hear about these lenses. Can someone give some background?

After WWII the Soviets took apart a Zeiss lens factory shipped it back to Russia.  It is basically a copy of the  Carl Zeiss Biotar optical formula.  The were one of the kit options on the Zenit cameras which were one of the most manufactured cameras in the world.  This make old Helios 44 lens a very common lens in Europe.  They are rather expensive in US but if you are willing to Ebay from Europe you can get one for a very reasonable price. 

I don't have one but do have a Helios 40-4f 1.8 that is not quite as good.

Ok, thanks. I guess that they are manual focus only?

They are manual everything.  They have a very unique bokeh signature and great color.  Very sharp in the middle of the frame even wide open.  Useful both artistically wide open and stopped down because very sharp across the frame.
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Quasimodo on December 21, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
Images shot with:
5D Mark II
Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42 with ring adapter
Ive Lotus Film picture style

Model: Danheza
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8518396637_e70910d5df_c.jpg)

Model: Danheza
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8465997879_d61a4846ba_c.jpg)

Model: Shanice
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8439153656_13559dcb62_c.jpg)

Neat marketing! I´ve just purchased your software. Looking forward to use it. Just have to run to the shop tomorrow to buy a external cardreader to upgrade to the latest firmware so I can install it :)

There was (a year ago) a photographer in here that posted some beautiful pictures of some Japanese female archers that had this style. I asked then how to acheive this style, but never got any answer. Now the solution is here, and sooooo looking forward to it :)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: sama on December 22, 2013, 12:35:30 AM

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44M is completely different in term of construction compare to the 44-2 58/2.  I have disassembled both of them.
44M is difficult to reassemble plus it works only on crop sensor dslr but doesn't fit 5D3 with an adapter - mirror problem, I will use the helicoid to DIY a tilt shift lensbaby clone. I found this DIY on the Youtube.

[/quote]

some test shots of my new DIY Heliosbaby..... can't find the rubber tube yet, will look for one after the ice storm.
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Quasimodo on December 22, 2013, 05:34:58 AM
I have bought and installed in camera the film look style of Ive Lotus. I am not anywhere near to be able to reproduce the effect I see on the start of this thread (lens irrespective). Is there any settings I should use on the camera when using this setting, and is there special dialing on the flash? (ISO, WB.....)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: ajperk on January 31, 2014, 09:47:01 PM
Here's a wide open Helios 44-4 shot.  I find it has a bit less micro contrast than the 44-2, but also functions perfectly on a full frame body (no mirror hang).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8677066743_6405aa8a6c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/)
Out with the Old; In with the New (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr

Hello Dustin,

I also have a 6D and am interested in the 44-4 version. What adapter to you use?

Thanks!
Andrew
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Andy_Hodapp on January 31, 2014, 11:51:32 PM
I got a 44M-4 about a month ago along with a fotodiox adapter for my 5d mkii.  It does have mirror hang so I put a very thing rubber band in between the adapter and the lens.  The lens now doesn't focus to infinity but it does allow for a little bit closer focusing distance and stopped all the way down you can get everything in focus.  Love the lens so far but haven't gotten to use it to much yet, but I picked mine up for $10 with a body at a thrift shop, friend ended up wanting the body and gave me more then what I payed for the whole thing, so far I have made a profit on this lens without even selling a print!  Below are some fun shots with the cats eye bokeh.

Beautiful lens flare

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2835/11917910846_f0fbf68059_k.jpg)

So sharp you can see my reflection in her eye!

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2853/11881832655_81c92db60f_k.jpg)

Close focus

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/11917178415_9bd5a1921b_k.jpg)

Even more bokeh

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/12124855263_10a1847526_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on February 03, 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Here's a wide open Helios 44-4 shot.  I find it has a bit less micro contrast than the 44-2, but also functions perfectly on a full frame body (no mirror hang).

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8113/8677066743_6405aa8a6c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/)
Out with the Old; In with the New (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thousandwordimages/8677066743/#) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (http://www.flickr.com/people/thousandwordimages/), on Flickr

Hello Dustin,

I also have a 6D and am interested in the 44-4 version. What adapter to you use?

Thanks!
Andrew

I just use a cheap AF Confirm adapter off Ebay.  I paid no more than $10-12
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: CarlTN on February 17, 2014, 12:15:21 AM
Nice, I like the bottom shot the best...

I got a 44M-4 about a month ago along with a fotodiox adapter for my 5d mkii.  It does have mirror hang so I put a very thing rubber band in between the adapter and the lens.  The lens now doesn't focus to infinity but it does allow for a little bit closer focusing distance and stopped all the way down you can get everything in focus.  Love the lens so far but haven't gotten to use it to much yet, but I picked mine up for $10 with a body at a thrift shop, friend ended up wanting the body and gave me more then what I payed for the whole thing, so far I have made a profit on this lens without even selling a print!  Below are some fun shots with the cats eye bokeh.

Beautiful lens flare

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2835/11917910846_f0fbf68059_k.jpg)

So sharp you can see my reflection in her eye!

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2853/11881832655_81c92db60f_k.jpg)

Close focus

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/11917178415_9bd5a1921b_k.jpg)

Even more bokeh

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7292/12124855263_10a1847526_k.jpg)

Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: dgatwood on April 07, 2014, 01:38:28 AM
I got a 44M-4 about a month ago along with a fotodiox adapter for my 5d mkii.  It does have mirror hang so I put a very thing rubber band in between the adapter and the lens.

The mirror hang depends on the size of the mirror, which varies a bit from model to model.  Apparently, the 44M-4 hangs right at infinity on some of the 5D series, but it doesn't hang on the 6D as far as I can tell.

The 44M, by contrast, hangs noticeably at or near infinity on the 6D, so I always make sure to use live view mode if I want to shoot near infinity (and make sure to focus away from infinity before I leave live view mode or let the camera doze).
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 10, 2014, 10:33:36 AM
I got a 44M-4 about a month ago along with a fotodiox adapter for my 5d mkii.  It does have mirror hang so I put a very thing rubber band in between the adapter and the lens.  The lens now doesn't focus to infinity but it does allow for a little bit closer focusing distance and stopped all the way down you can get everything in focus.  Love the lens so far but haven't gotten to use it to much yet, but I picked mine up for $10 with a body at a thrift shop, friend ended up wanting the body and gave me more then what I payed for the whole thing, so far I have made a profit on this lens without even selling a print!  Below are some fun shots with the cats eye bokeh.


Really fab shots.  Great examples of the unique character of the lens.  It is a special one to me!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on April 19, 2014, 09:50:19 AM
Here's a new Helios shot from this week:

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7355/13899905372_a23c0ef3fd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nbhDAU)Old Growth, New Growth (https://flic.kr/p/nbhDAU) by Thousand Word Images by Dustin Abbott (https://www.flickr.com/people/54816077@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Ew on May 09, 2014, 06:44:16 PM
In searching for the "most compatible" model for a 5D3, I've discovered the following reference table, which has many M42 mount lenses and their compatibility with full frame bodies.

http://www.panoramaplanet.de/comp/#Zenit (http://www.panoramaplanet.de/comp/#Zenit)

I'm still making sense of it.. but, seems that there are multiple variants in the 44M-2, 44M-4, 44M-6 - and not all are created equal.

Can anyone with these lenses clarify exactly which version you have?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: Snodge on May 12, 2014, 01:21:54 PM
I have a 44-2 and it works fine on my 5d3...
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: JumboShrimp on May 12, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
I have a Helios 44M-6 and it works well on my 6D. But pay attention to the chart ... the items in green may not clear the reflex mirror.

BTW, Dustin Abbott has this to say about M42 lenses here: http://dustinabbott.net/2013/02/the-new-canon-eos-6d-and-classic-m42-lens/ (http://dustinabbott.net/2013/02/the-new-canon-eos-6d-and-classic-m42-lens/)

Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: adhocphotographer on May 15, 2014, 06:02:02 AM
Great thread...  did not know about this lens. Just picked one up for 12 pounds....  Just waiting for the adapter ring and I'll see how i do with it!

Do you know of any other great M42 lenses that would be good on a 5D mKIII?
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: JohnDizzo15 on May 15, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
Great thread...  did not know about this lens. Just picked one up for 12 pounds....  Just waiting for the adapter ring and I'll see how i do with it!

Do you know of any other great M42 lenses that would be good on a 5D mKIII?

Just depends on what you're looking for.

For me, getting M42 lenses was more about getting character lenses than finding affordable alternatives as I have all my FLs covered with current lenses.

If you are in the same boat, take a look at the Helios 40-2 (85/1.5) as well. It has the most pronounced swirling bokeh/unique look I have seen yet from any of my M42 lenses. There is also the Zenit 50/1.7 with the square bokeh (optical formula believed to be copied from Leica) which is my second favorite.

As far as the Helios 44 models, I have the 44-2, 44m-4, 44m-7, and the 77m-4. While the latter two are newer, the swirly bokeh is definitely still present and the resolution is noticeably higher. All four have been used with both a 5D3 and 6D without issue.

The multi-coated Takumars are also very nice. Although I don't find that they offer anything unique over my modern lenses which is why they get mounted the least.
Title: Re: Helios 44-2 58mm f/2.0 M42
Post by: adhocphotographer on May 16, 2014, 10:28:34 AM
Great thread...  did not know about this lens. Just picked one up for 12 pounds....  Just waiting for the adapter ring and I'll see how i do with it!

Do you know of any other great M42 lenses that would be good on a 5D mKIII?

Just depends on what you're looking for.

For me, getting M42 lenses was more about getting character lenses than finding affordable alternatives as I have all my FLs covered with current lenses.

If you are in the same boat, take a look at the Helios 40-2 (85/1.5) as well. It has the most pronounced swirling bokeh/unique look I have seen yet from any of my M42 lenses. There is also the Zenit 50/1.7 with the square bokeh (optical formula believed to be copied from Leica) which is my second favorite.

As far as the Helios 44 models, I have the 44-2, 44m-4, 44m-7, and the 77m-4. While the latter two are newer, the swirly bokeh is definitely still present and the resolution is noticeably higher. All four have been used with both a 5D3 and 6D without issue.

The multi-coated Takumars are also very nice. Although I don't find that they offer anything unique over my modern lenses which is why they get mounted the least.

Thanks...  some great info there!  I have most covered with my EF lenses, but i find the character of these old lenses are great! :)