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Title: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Aglet on March 26, 2013, 02:11:55 AM
The 70D satisfaction poll had me thinking this would be a more interesting poll and, since someone there suggested it, this should expand on the happy vs unhappy binary with a little more variety of options.

I had a 7D, loved the AF, viewfinder, built-in level, and overall performance of it.  However, i sometimes used this camera for landscape type shots because it was what I had with me when the scene presented itself and I was often disappointed with serious shadow banding if I tried doing much with the image in post.
I sold my 7D while it still got a good resale price and have been hoping a new 7D Mark II would arrive this summer with an improved sensor, hopefully providing cleaner low and high ISO performance.  If the AF improved over the original, that's an added bonus.  Once I got accustomed to the way it worked I was able to get adequate AF hits of birds, and even some bugs, in flight.  Sometimes even in low light.

I had a couple 60Ds.  I kept one of them because it's a nice light compact camera that makes a good walk-around or travel camera.  If I were to buy a 70D it would have to be all that, possibly even back to the body design of the 20/30/40/50D, AND have greatly improved sensor performance.  I'd not buy it if it offered; more video features, WiFi, GPS, a bucket full of firmware features but no sensor improvement.

I have not yet chosen to replace my 7D with a competitor's camera, mostly because of one lens there's no good substitute for, the EF 100-400mm L IS.  I could use a competitor's fast 70-200mm with a 2x adapter but that would likely cost me more than a new Canon body so I'm still undecided to pick a solution in this area.  There may even be perfectly viable options in the micro/four-thirds range to do this job but I'm in no hurry.

So...  Things to think about before voting, or buying.

• If a 70D shows up with a better sensor than the original 7D or 60D, and an improved AF system over the x0D line, maybe even comparable to the original 7D, it would have to be priced competitively with a used, original 7D to be worthwhile to some, depending on what their intentions are for such a camera.

• What level of sensor and AF performance improvements might you want from a 70D or a 7D Mark II to entice you to buy one?

• If the 70D doesn't have sensor performance improvements over the 18MP sensors that Canon has supplied over the past few years, will you still consider buying it if all it provides are some extra features like raw video out, WiFi or GPS?

• If the 7D Mark II gets an AF system comparable to the 5D Mark 3, maybe 10 fps, but does not get much, if any, improvement in sensor performance, will you still buy it?

• What is the minimum set of improvements, over the previous body being replaced, would you say is enough to warrant Canon releasing this as a product with a new badge on it?  Would that make you buy it?

• Are you considering cameras from competitors like Sony, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus or others?

• Have you already purchased a camera from one of the competitors because it offers better performance in some way compared to what Canon is currently offering?... or is rumored to supply?

• Or have you had enough of the rumors of future Canon products, looked at available competitor's products, and still decided that it's time you tried a full-frame camera instead? (even though they have different trade-offs compared to crop sensor cameras)

Any other viewpoints you'd like to present, share and discuss are welcome, of course.
And Canon, watch this thread. :)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Kathode-Ray on March 26, 2013, 03:01:02 AM
I have a 60D now, that I use for shooting stills and video. The only real problem I have with it is high ISO noise when shooting low-lit conditions.

18MP is more than enough for me. I like the flip-screen, very handy with video. It runs Magic Lantern, not unimportant. I would like to go FF because of the better noise performance, but will lose the crop advantages like using the sweet-spot of FF lenses, low distortion and CA and all. AFMA would be nice, but I don't miss it now. I don't care for Wifi or GPS, or a popup flash.

The 6D just doesn't seem to be it for me at the moment, things like moire and lesser AF system compared to 60D hold me back. The 5DIII is outside my budget. I'm hoping the next APS-C body will show some improvement regarding noise. So i'm just hanging in there at the moment, waiting for what will come...

I have looked at Sony, and Nikon's D800, D600 and D7100 multiple times now. Having to sell my Canon lenses is the biggest bump, otherwise I probably would have switched already. If I would have to buy my first DSLR now, it would probably be a Nikon.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Skulker on March 26, 2013, 03:20:31 AM
The 70D satisfaction poll had me thinking this would be a more interesting poll and, since someone there suggested it, this should expand on the happy vs unhappy binary with a little more variety of options.

I had a 7D, loved the AF, viewfinder, built-in level, and overall performance of it.  However, i sometimes used this camera for landscape type shots because it was what I had with me when the scene presented itself and I was often disappointed with serious shadow banding if I tried doing much with the image in post.
I sold my 7D while it still got a good resale price and have been hoping a new 7D Mark II would arrive this summer with an improved sensor, hopefully providing cleaner low and high ISO performance.  If the AF improved over the original, that's an added bonus.  Once I got accustomed to the way it worked I was able to get adequate AF hits of birds, and even some bugs, in flight.  Sometimes even in low light.

I had a couple 60Ds.  I kept one of them because it's a nice light compact camera that makes a good walk-around or travel camera.  If I were to buy a 70D it would have to be all that, possibly even back to the body design of the 20/30/40/50D, AND have greatly improved sensor performance.  I'd not buy it if it offered; more video features, WiFi, GPS, a bucket full of firmware features but no sensor improvement.

I have not yet chosen to replace my 7D with a competitor's camera, mostly because of one lens there's no good substitute for, the EF 100-400mm L IS.  I could use a competitor's fast 70-200mm with a 2x adapter but that would likely cost me more than a new Canon body so I'm still undecided to pick a solution in this area.  There may even be perfectly viable options in the micro/four-thirds range to do this job but I'm in no hurry.

So...  Things to think about before voting, or buying.

• If a 70D shows up with a better sensor than the original 7D or 60D, and an improved AF system over the x0D line, maybe even comparable to the original 7D, it would have to be priced competitively with a used, original 7D to be worthwhile to some, depending on what their intentions are for such a camera.

• What level of sensor and AF performance improvements might you want from a 70D or a 7D Mark II to entice you to buy one?

• If the 70D doesn't have sensor performance improvements over the 18MP sensors that Canon has supplied over the past few years, will you still consider buying it if all it provides are some extra features like raw video out, WiFi or GPS?

• If the 7D Mark II gets an AF system comparable to the 5D Mark 3, maybe 10 fps, but does not get much, if any, improvement in sensor performance, will you still buy it?

• What is the minimum set of improvements, over the previous body being replaced, would you say is enough to warrant Canon releasing this as a product with a new badge on it?  Would that make you buy it?

• Are you considering cameras from competitors like Sony, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus or others?

• Have you already purchased a camera from one of the competitors because it offers better performance in some way compared to what Canon is currently offering?... or is rumored to supply?

• Or have you had enough of the rumors of future Canon products, looked at available competitor's products, and still decided that it's time you tried a full-frame camera instead? (even though they have different trade-offs compared to crop sensor cameras)

Any other viewpoints you'd like to present, share and discuss are welcome, of course.
And Canon, watch this thread. :)

Are you really finding it that hard and complicated to choose a camera?

Make a choice, see how it goes. This is a hobby,yes? Have some fun. 8)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Sella174 on March 26, 2013, 03:40:20 AM
Given that I am using two EOS 30D cameras, any current model would appear a significant upgrade in terms of sensor. Only time and time again I've not replaced these two workhorses ... because of tiny other aspects, like no "Kelvin" WB on the sub-xxD line (I shoot straight to JPEG) and no serious improvement in terms of AF (apart from the 5D Mk.III and 1D line which are both above what I am willing to pay for a camera, besides ... I used an EOS 3 for many years and in my opinion that many AF points only makes sense with "Eye Control" included).

So, no new Canon cameras for me this year again. And I am looking at the Olympus OM-D ... or the E-PL5.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: heptagon on March 26, 2013, 04:12:42 AM
...no serious improvement in terms of AF (apart from the 5D Mk.III and 1D line which are both above what I am willing to pay for a camera, besides ... I used an EOS 3 for many years and in my opinion that many AF points only makes sense with "Eye Control" included).

The real RGB focus tracking D800 enables you to easily focus-recompose. Focus your subject with the center point. Recompose and your camera recognizes the movement and uses the outer focus points on your subject. When  shooting hand-held this is even better than "Eye Control" because you can actually control it easily.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Nishi Drew on March 26, 2013, 04:40:40 AM
If either of those cameras does not have a new sensor then that pretty well pronounces Canon as sunk, I either break and give them more money for one of their newer FFs or really... just wait. I can't afford to switch and man, hopefully all of these "oh no Canon will forever produce crops with the same sensor" threads will be silenced once a new sensor comes out... but again, if it's not much at all of an improvement in noise and DR then ugh. But, it's better to stick with what you've got than switch
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: funkboy on March 26, 2013, 04:45:50 AM
If you don't shoot fast-moving things much, get a 6D.  If you do your part, the images will blow you away.

Too bad you sold your 7D, it's an awesome camera when you need that high-speed shooting & tracking capability.  Its replacement will likely feature a lot of the AF improvements from the 1DX.  Different horses for different courses, but if you've got a 6D & a 7D (II) then I can't think of any situation your bodies can't handle.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Kiboko on March 26, 2013, 05:20:48 AM
New 7D? Main priorities are improved sensor (low-light performance), & focussing performance. Not so bothered about improving frame rate, 8 frames p.s. is plenty sufficient, but if it came with 10 f.p.s. I'd be delighted. How I'd love an integral grip like the 1 Series. Not in the slightest bit interested in wi-fi, GPS, or fold-away revolving screens, nor improved video. Will keep my current 7D until a preplacement is brought out, it's far too costly to consider changing brands when you've a compliment of lenses. 
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Hillsilly on March 26, 2013, 05:28:13 AM
So many questions!  On a lot of different criteria, I think we can all agree that Canon APS-C sensors lag the competition.  Luckily Canon still has the best "system" and they put a lot of thought into their camera designs and features.  This goes a long way towards offsetting the sensor issues.  Besides, its not as if Canon's sensors are "Bad".

Given the level of discussion about new production facilities and methods, I would expect some sensor improvements soon.  It would make sense for the 7Dii to sport the new sensor given that it is likely to remain in the Canon lineup for several years. What these improvements might be, I wouldn't know.  Improved dynamic range and reduced noise at higher ISOs are the logical conclusions.  Maybe we'll see an improvement in DxO scores?

Personally, apart from an evloutionary improvement in AI Servo mode, I'm pretty happy with Canon's feature set.  I'd expect the 7Dii to bundle most of the new technology in.  I'm sure it will be a very exciting camera.

Right now, the only non Canon camera that I'm considering is a Fuji Xpro1.  Very good prices (no doubt the xpro2 with significantly improved AF will be announced the day after I buy one).  Its probably a downgrade in every way from what I'm using now.  But I'm getting a little tired of film (Fuji announced another price hike last week), but I like Fuji as a brand (they seem very responsive to the customers concerns), the camera gets good reviews for its image quality, and they look like a fun little camera to carry around.  And rangefinders are cool.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: sandymandy on March 26, 2013, 05:30:50 AM
Just wait til u see what u want. Its easy to jump on the "i have to buy a new camera" train but just remember Canon is pumping out new bodies regularly. So if u dont feel satisfied with the new 2013 bodies just wait more. The problem of Canons regular bodie updates also causes the problem that the bodies are really similiar usually so it even makes more sense to wait more to get a real improvement over the camera you have at the moment.
If you really cant control ur money spending then better buy a lens :) They will last much(!) longer than bodies.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Terry1946 on March 26, 2013, 05:35:05 AM
The new Nikon AF-S 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G ED VR may well be a match for the EF 100-400L IS. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: baervan on March 26, 2013, 05:36:55 AM
According to the rumors 7dII will be placed even higher in the camera line, so it will be targeted at pros like birds/sports shooters and have all those things they make them drool like better AF and faster FPS. It would probably cost a freakzillion spacedollars.. my guess is around 2200.
Following this assumption the 70D will step up as the enthusiast crop. This means that I'd expect AFMA, better AF (at least comparable to the current 7D) and so on.

If either or none of these two cameras get a better sensor Canon will fuck things up and I would really employ everyone to refrain from purchasing these products just to give them a signal; not that it matters but, damn it, one can dream.

I really don't wanna switch even though Nikon is ever tempting, but I loathe the shape and handling of their cameras. If the 70D has the stuff I like (AFMA, swivelly screen, better ISO performance and DR than 7D) I will sell my 7D and get it.

Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: interpilot on March 26, 2013, 07:48:42 AM
• What level of sensor and AF performance improvements might you want from a 70D or a 7D Mark II to entice you to buy one?

Wishlist: about one stop "better" high ISO and (much) less pattern noise / banding at any ISO.

I'm only interested in the 70D. I don't want to carry around an even bigger camera; even the 550D I currently have gets left at home very often in favor of the RX100.

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• If the 70D doesn't have sensor performance improvements over the 18MP sensors that Canon has supplied over the past few years, will you still consider buying it if all it provides are some extra features like raw video out, WiFi or GPS?

No way. Don't really care about any of them. AFMA would be much more important.

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• What is the minimum set of improvements, over the previous body being replaced, would you say is enough to warrant Canon releasing this as a product with a new badge on it?  Would that make you buy it?

For the 70D, a new sensor and AFMA. And hopefully giving it 7D AF. Otherwise, it won't really be able to complete with the D7100 as far as I'm concerned. I think this is pretty likely, as the 60D's AF did make it down to the  650D.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: learncanon on March 26, 2013, 08:15:48 AM
The 70D satisfaction poll had me thinking this would be a more interesting poll and, since someone there suggested it, this should expand on the happy vs unhappy binary with a little more variety of options.

I had a 7D, loved the AF, viewfinder, built-in level, and overall performance of it.  However, i sometimes used this camera for landscape type shots because it was what I had with me when the scene presented itself and I was often disappointed with serious shadow banding if I tried doing much with the image in post.
I sold my 7D while it still got a good resale price and have been hoping a new 7D Mark II would arrive this summer with an improved sensor, hopefully providing cleaner low and high ISO performance.  If the AF improved over the original, that's an added bonus.  Once I got accustomed to the way it worked I was able to get adequate AF hits of birds, and even some bugs, in flight.  Sometimes even in low light.

I had a couple 60Ds.  I kept one of them because it's a nice light compact camera that makes a good walk-around or travel camera.  If I were to buy a 70D it would have to be all that, possibly even back to the body design of the 20/30/40/50D, AND have greatly improved sensor performance.  I'd not buy it if it offered; more video features, WiFi, GPS, a bucket full of firmware features but no sensor improvement.

I have not yet chosen to replace my 7D with a competitor's camera, mostly because of one lens there's no good substitute for, the EF 100-400mm L IS.  I could use a competitor's fast 70-200mm with a 2x adapter but that would likely cost me more than a new Canon body so I'm still undecided to pick a solution in this area.  There may even be perfectly viable options in the micro/four-thirds range to do this job but I'm in no hurry.

So...  Things to think about before voting, or buying.

• If a 70D shows up with a better sensor than the original 7D or 60D, and an improved AF system over the x0D line, maybe even comparable to the original 7D, it would have to be priced competitively with a used, original 7D to be worthwhile to some, depending on what their intentions are for such a camera.

• What level of sensor and AF performance improvements might you want from a 70D or a 7D Mark II to entice you to buy one?

• If the 70D doesn't have sensor performance improvements over the 18MP sensors that Canon has supplied over the past few years, will you still consider buying it if all it provides are some extra features like raw video out, WiFi or GPS?

• If the 7D Mark II gets an AF system comparable to the 5D Mark 3, maybe 10 fps, but does not get much, if any, improvement in sensor performance, will you still buy it?

• What is the minimum set of improvements, over the previous body being replaced, would you say is enough to warrant Canon releasing this as a product with a new badge on it?  Would that make you buy it?

• Are you considering cameras from competitors like Sony, Nikon, Pentax, Olympus or others?

• Have you already purchased a camera from one of the competitors because it offers better performance in some way compared to what Canon is currently offering?... or is rumored to supply?

• Or have you had enough of the rumors of future Canon products, looked at available competitor's products, and still decided that it's time you tried a full-frame camera instead? (even though they have different trade-offs compared to crop sensor cameras)

Any other viewpoints you'd like to present, share and discuss are welcome, of course.
And Canon, watch this thread. :)

i didnt read your post.
It seems that you are too gear conscious, way tooo concern about every bits of noise, AF, % and numbers.

If you step back and see how technology evolve in a larger timescale, say 10 years, you would feel these performance gain from every camera release is REALLY minor. It seems every number gained is BIG to you now. Until then, you would feel that you have wasted all your life chasing that bits of tiny things....

Keep in mind that lighting, story, framing and skills give you significant better photos than 100% VF, ever-improving AF system, metal body etcccccc :D
btw, if 70D has the build quality of 50D, it won't be as light weight.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: RLPhoto on March 26, 2013, 08:39:32 AM
Squeeze every ounce of IQ out of a camera before denouncing it. I have yet to find a canon camera that truly limits my creativity.

If a system limits you, switch because your capping your creative potential.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: jdramirez on March 26, 2013, 09:09:30 AM
I have a 60D now, that I use for shooting stills and video. The only real problem I have with it is high ISO noise when shooting low-lit conditions.

18MP is more than enough for me. I like the flip-screen, very handy with video. It runs Magic Lantern, not unimportant. I would like to go FF because of the better noise performance, but will lose the crop advantages like using the sweet-spot of FF lenses, low distortion and CA and all. AFMA would be nice, but I don't miss it now. I don't care for Wifi or GPS, or a popup flash.

The 6D just doesn't seem to be it for me at the moment, things like moire and lesser AF system compared to 60D hold me back. The 5DIII is outside my budget. I'm hoping the next APS-C body will show some improvement regarding noise. So i'm just hanging in there at the moment, waiting for what will come...

I have looked at Sony, and Nikon's D800, D600 and D7100 multiple times now. Having to sell my Canon lenses is the biggest bump, otherwise I probably would have switched already. If I would have to buy my first DSLR now, it would probably be a Nikon.
we are like twins,  but I  have  the  cash to upgrade to a5dmkiii.  I have to many L  lenses to switch brands at this point.   I'm locked in
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: learncanon on March 26, 2013, 09:10:23 AM
Squeeze every ounce of IQ out of a camera before denouncing it. I have yet to find a canon camera that truly limits my creativity.

If a system limits you, switch because your capping your creative potential.

wise words
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: RGF on March 26, 2013, 09:25:12 AM
Canon's line up is much more expensive than Nikon's and for those extra $ I expect to get better products.   In the next year or two I expect to replace 2-3 bodies, add 200-400 (if it ever comes out) and replace by my 500 with either a new 500 or move up to the 600


I would save considerably if I bought Nikon though I really don't want to switch.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: insanitybeard on March 26, 2013, 09:34:18 AM
If the new models don't offer an improved sensor, I'll keep using my trusty 7D until a new model comes out offering better performance in this area, and put the money towards lenses (Unless I can find the money to go FF, that's a while away yet!).
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: awinphoto on March 26, 2013, 10:23:06 AM
yawn....  S____ or get off the pot... With the 70D I would expect what I would expect out of a nearly 2 year long hiatus in this lineup, plenty of 7d trickle down in software... level, maybe hdr, flip screen, stuff like that...  maybe a few more goodies like that and evolutionary sensor improvement...  If you're expecting FF quality out of a crop sensor, dont kid yourself and you might as well jump ship now... but if you want a solid crop body that will do well for a $1000-1100 price point, it will serve you well. 
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Kathode-Ray on March 26, 2013, 02:03:08 PM
we are like twins,  but I  have  the  cash to upgrade to a5dmkiii.  I have to many L  lenses to switch brands at this point. I'm locked in

I guess we are not the only ones :-)

Maybe i'll just give the 6D a try and see with my own eyes how 'bad' it all is. It's obvious, to get really better noise performance I have to go FF. Switching sides is just too much of a hassle. I won't lose too much money on my lenses, since I bought all of them second hand. But it will take a lot of time to get it all sorted. Plus, i'd hate to lose Magic Lantern!

I think i'm going to wait another two months or so, until the tax return comes in. The 5DIII's price will have dropped a bit more by then. I can overcome the 60D noise problems for now by just bringing some more light if needed :-)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: c.d.embrey on March 26, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
For me to even look at a 70D, it needs a Sony Quality sensor. I'd prefer an EVF over an optical viewfinder. It also needs Panasonic GH3 quality WiFi. Nikon focusing and Matrix Metering would also be great ;)  (that ain't never gonna happen).

I've never been a lens collector, if i don't use a lens at least once a week, I don't own it. Makes more sense to me to rent lenses I seldom use. So, for me, changing camera brands is no BFD :) Canon, I'm waiting to be impressed, but I doubt that I will :(
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: rpt on March 26, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
I think we are missing an option here. We need an option "I'll survive with my current gear thank you"...

I'd go with that. :)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Aglet on March 26, 2013, 03:44:08 PM
I think we are missing an option here. We need an option "I'll survive with my current gear thank you"...

I'd go with that. :)

:)
I think that's implied by the second option but yes, there are those who will use what they have until they wear it out and then they'll shop for a replacement.
Taking that into consideration, I doubt many of those who use their cameras until they're worn out are paying a lot of attention to these debates.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: rpt on March 26, 2013, 10:15:48 PM
I think we are missing an option here. We need an option "I'll survive with my current gear thank you"...

I'd go with that. :)

:)
I think that's implied by the second option but yes, there are those who will use what they have until they wear it out and then they'll shop for a replacement.
Taking that into consideration, I doubt many of those who use their cameras until they're worn out are paying a lot of attention to these debates.
My principle in purchasing electronics is to buy what you need and skip two or three generations. For sensors I went from 300D to 5D3. My next purchase of the body is going to be several years down the road. Unless I inherit a million dollars (US or AUS) - fat chance of that happening!  :)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Aglet on March 26, 2013, 10:54:50 PM
My principle in purchasing electronics is to buy what you need and skip two or three generations. For sensors I went from 300D to 5D3. My next purchase of the body is going to be several years down the road. Unless I inherit a million dollars (US or AUS) - fat chance of that happening!  :)
In other electronics, me too. I still have, and regularly use, a Sony XBR TV I bought in 1985 or 86.  I've only just retired a Sony SLV-R5UC S-VHS VCR after 20+ years of use.  It still works but I no longer feel compelled to record anything with it and I have a different deck for playback.
I'll keep some of my cameras like that too, i suspect my 40D will be buried with me;  I'm rather fond of it.  Or maybe I'll take the Konica, it doesn't need batteries. ;)
Other cameras and lenses will come and go, as suites my needs, since the technology is making for very compelling improvements quite often.  In other areas, I buy the best i can afford and take care of it and it generally serves me well for a very long time.
Appended:
I think I'm actually reaching that point with camera gear too.  I'm still on the lookout for something that fills a niche i might want to work in, but overall, the gear I have now is at a point where I could do almost everything i'd want to do with it and not suffer any serious compromises or work-arounds like I had to just a year or 2 ago.
I've noticed this when I go on a road trip lately.  I no longer have a trunk full of gear, each bag containing something best suited to a narrow range that optimized its performance.  I'm down to a much smaller, more manageable pack size and I'm not left facing compromises as often.
The only remaining niche I'd like to refill is a good, fast camera, like the 7D (but better), for working with longer FL lenses.
The 60D can work with my 100-400mm lens well enough for still shots but I'd like a better AF system for moving subjects, like the 7D's or better, with good hi ISO performance, like the 60D or 7D or better, but also with better low ISO, like the 6D at least, or preferably one of the competitor's cameras.  And I don't want to spend more than $2k for that ability.  When I do, I expect it may also replace some gear I'm using now, so I can improve hardware capabilities while also reducing the inventory I carry.
So that's my hope, a 7D2 or 70D that I can afford and that will also fill the speed AF and low light niche yet still provide better low ISO performance too.  Since I'm in no rush, I can wait to see what Canon, or others, offer later this year.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: jdramirez on March 26, 2013, 11:31:21 PM
I think we are missing an option here. We need an option "I'll survive with my current gear thank you"...

I'd go with that. :)

:)
I think that's implied by the second option but yes, there are those who will use what they have until they wear it out and then they'll shop for a replacement.
Taking that into consideration, I doubt many of those who use their cameras until they're worn out are paying a lot of attention to these debates.
My principle in purchasing electronics is to buy what you need and skip two or three generations. For sensors I went from 300D to 5D3. My next purchase of the body is going to be several years down the road. Unless I inherit a million dollars (US or AUS) - fat chance of that happening!  :)

My path camera path began with point and shoots, a 1.3 mp Olympus ($75), to a 3.1 Fuji ($89), to a 7.1 Sony($150), then finally into SLR's with a Canon XS ($350) and then a 60D($800).  Now I'm looking at a 5dmkiii($2500 if I'm lucky)...

What I want to know is who put an exponential curve on my buying habits?
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Aglet on March 26, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
..What I want to know is who put an exponential curve on my buying habits?
HAHA!
that's pretty common
but sounds like you're also working with a large constant attached to the exponential part. :)
I was just explaining to the other half recently... if I sold all my camera gear, i could pay off the mortgage and then start over again..
I didn't like the way her eyebrows went up when I said that...  :-X
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: bycostello on March 29, 2013, 12:41:12 AM
you'll be waiting forever if you want the next big thing...
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Rienzphotoz on March 29, 2013, 02:34:36 AM
My main body is 5D MK III but I also use Nikon D7000 but plan to upgrade it to D7100 (when there is a sale/price drop OR when a decently priced refurbished one shows up) ... however, I would still buy the 7D MK II even if it has the current rumored specs.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: trojdor on March 29, 2013, 04:38:38 AM
Squeeze every ounce of IQ out of a camera before denouncing it. I have yet to find a canon camera that truly limits my creativity.

If a system limits you, switch because your capping your creative potential.

wise words

Indeed.
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: verysimplejason on March 29, 2013, 05:28:25 AM
Squeeze every ounce of IQ out of a camera before denouncing it. I have yet to find a canon camera that truly limits my creativity.

If a system limits you, switch because your capping your creative potential.

wise words

Indeed.

I'm still waiting to have at least 100K snaps on my camera before I give it to my wife (she wants it.  she's using my G11 for quite sometime) and buy a 6D or 5D2, whichever is worth the money by that time.  It's my 500D's 4th year and it's going 80K.   :)
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Albi86 on March 29, 2013, 06:29:59 AM
I went FF with a Nikon D600 and I'm very happy. While Canon can still hold an edge in the pro segment, Nikon offers much more in the enthusiast segment. I experienced that first-hand.

However, I'm still in the market for a fast crop body for my wildlife shooting. I would be happy to buy a Canon body to pair with the 70-300 L or the 100-400 L. However, if Canon keeps going on offering less for more money, I'll switch completely to Nikon. The D7100 is a hell of a camera at a very reasonable price point; the D5200 is even better value for money, and the flip screen is nice for macro shots and a couple other things. I'm also interested in Sony: their 70-400 is a great lens and the traslucent mirror thing allows them to reach 12 fps on the a77.

If you need a good camera now, buy a D5200 or a D7100. You're hardly going to regret it. I'm planning this purchase in around 1 year from now. We'll see how the situation will look like...
Title: Re: Buy, Wait, or Switch? If Canon's next crop body releases don't improve sensor.
Post by: Aglet on March 29, 2013, 02:04:15 PM
I went FF with a Nikon D600 and I'm very happy. While Canon can still hold an edge in the pro segment, Nikon offers much more in the enthusiast segment. I experienced that first-hand.

However, I'm still in the market for a fast crop body for my wildlife shooting. I would be happy to buy a Canon body to pair with the 70-300 L or the 100-400 L. However, if Canon keeps going on offering less for more money, I'll switch completely to Nikon. The D7100 is a hell of a camera at a very reasonable price point; the D5200 is even better value for money, and the flip screen is nice for macro shots and a couple other things. I'm also interested in Sony: their 70-400 is a great lens and the traslucent mirror thing allows them to reach 12 fps on the a77.

If you need a good camera now, buy a D5200 or a D7100. You're hardly going to regret it. I'm planning this purchase in around 1 year from now. We'll see how the situation will look like...

+1
ditto Pentax.  Excellent enthusiast cameras, pro-capable certainly, tho a smaller overall ecosystem of accessories.