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Title: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Canon Rumors on May 14, 2013, 12:00:33 AM

Canon EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x $11,799

USA: B&H Photo | Adorama | Amazon | Norman Camera Canada: Camera Canada Europe: PhotoCineShop


We’re told limited quantities will be available within 2-3 weeks.


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Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Sharp Shot on May 14, 2013, 12:16:59 AM
Finally, I've been waiting for this lens since it was announced.  I'm really looking forward to the versatility this lens has to offer for wildlife.   Pre-ordered mine already.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: dmills on May 14, 2013, 12:19:11 AM
I can't afford the lens, but $649 for the case?! Sign me up!
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: neuroanatomist on May 14, 2013, 12:21:13 AM
Interesting that the case isn't included.  Granted, the case for my 600 II just sits unused, and I store the lens in a Storm im2720. But still, c'mon Canon...nearly $12K for the lens and you don't include the case?!?
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Dnd on May 14, 2013, 12:33:50 AM
Both b&H and Adorama show the case as included in the "what's include" links.. 
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: eml58 on May 14, 2013, 12:44:19 AM
Interesting that the case isn't included.  Granted, the case for my 600 II just sits unused, and I store the lens in a Storm im2720. But still, c'mon Canon...nearly $12K for the lens and you don't include the case?!?

Yes, strange one, I've purchased over the years 9 "Big Whites", all included the Case, and like you I actually store my Lenses in HPRC Water Proof Cases not the original Canon cases, but as you note, 12k for a Lens and the Case an optional extra ?? Nikon sell the 200-400 for 7k including the case, still, I've had a Pre Order in for over a year, so they had me in February 2011 I guess. Just hope the hype is all true, I looked at the Pre Release Lenses in Singapore in January 2013, liked what i could see, so here's hoping.

I still don't see an official release date, DPReview are quoting May 29th, but I cant see where Canon have actually put up an official date, has anyone ??
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: gunship01 on May 14, 2013, 12:47:29 AM
12k for this? ??

Stop with the smaller DSLRs with the 18mp sensors and make a FF that can match the D800 at a price point the 7D crowd can get into. You will not regret it.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: eml58 on May 14, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
Both b&H and Adorama show the case as included in the "what's include" links..

Your right they both price the lens with Case Included, who knows ??
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: dolina on May 14, 2013, 02:23:40 AM
I can also confirm to have read on BH Photo's site that the Lens Case is indeed included with the lens.

Kindly correct article. Thanks!
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: J.R. on May 14, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
Both b&H and Adorama show the case as included in the "what's include" links..

Your right they both price the lens with Case Included, who knows ??

The lens case is certainly included @ B&H
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Lee Jay on May 14, 2013, 09:50:42 AM
$12k and you don't even get a case?

This lens is $8k over-priced.  They'll still sell a handful but, the Sigma 120-300/2.8 OS is a far better deal for about the same aperture (100mm) and zoom range.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: preppyak on May 14, 2013, 09:56:51 AM
The lens case is certainly included @ B&H
Shhh...people can't feign outrage over the case price if you tell them facts!
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: tiger82 on May 14, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
Okay $12,500 for a single lens PLUS case.  Is that better than a new 1DX ($6500)  300mm f/2.8 ($6500), and a 2X III TC ($300)?   For $800 more, you get a lot more and with more reach.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on May 14, 2013, 10:41:58 AM
Interesting that the case isn't included.  Granted, the case for my 600 II just sits unused, and I store the lens in a Storm im2720. But still, c'mon Canon...nearly $12K for the lens and you don't include the case?!?
I'd be surprised if a lens cap, case, and drop in gelatin filter were not included. Certainly, a Dealer will include them.
 
They are available for separate purchase.   BTE, the MSRP of the lens Case is only $920 ;)    http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_200_400mm_f_4l_is_usm_extender_1_4x#SuppliesAndAccessories (http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/consumer/products/cameras/ef_lens_lineup/ef_200_400mm_f_4l_is_usm_extender_1_4x#SuppliesAndAccessories)
 
CR Guy is ordering one or more for his Rental business, so he will find out for sure.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: neuroanatomist on May 14, 2013, 10:44:06 AM
Makes sense that the case would be included.  The 'sold separately' notation in the initial post implies otherwise.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: jcollett on May 14, 2013, 11:20:49 AM
Separate Canon case is showing as $699 today from B&H and Adorama.  $649 was too much of a bargain I guess!  ::)  Not including a case would be just stupid on Canon's part.  It is the best way to get the lens in for service to CPS IMHO and there would be needless damages made to the lens in the first year.  Public responses have to be at least somewhat of a priority to Canon.  My guess is a separate SKU for the case allows those who want more than one; maybe for an on-location case and one for inside storage.  Reaching for straws here.  Also, I guess cases could get destroyed going to far-flung world destinations so a replacement case would be warranted though I'd imagine third party cases would be available and made excellently for under the $699 mark.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: iTasneem on May 14, 2013, 11:41:47 AM
12k for this? (http://j.mp/YTltxd)

Stop with the smaller DSLRs with the 18mp sensors and make a FF that can match the D800 at a price point the 7D crowd can get into. You will not regret it.
For profissionals the 12k isn't a problem. but me... i won't get it ever.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on May 14, 2013, 11:46:01 AM
12k for this? (http://j.mp/YTltxd)

Stop with the smaller DSLRs with the 18mp sensors and make a FF that can match the D800 at a price point the 7D crowd can get into. You will not regret it.
For profissionals the 12k isn't a problem. but me... i won't get it ever.

Just wait!
 
I bought a good working used Kodak DCS 460 for $100.  Its original price was $35,500 in 1995.  Prices do come down, so in 50 years or so, you might be able to afford one.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: J.R. on May 14, 2013, 01:24:09 PM
12k for this? (http://j.mp/YTltxd)

Stop with the smaller DSLRs with the 18mp sensors and make a FF that can match the D800 at a price point the 7D crowd can get into. You will not regret it.
For profissionals the 12k isn't a problem. but me... i won't get it ever.

Just wait!
 
I bought a good working used Kodak DCS 460 for $100.  Its original price was $35,500 in 1995.  Prices do come down, so in 50 years or so, you might be able to afford one.

Live on for 50 years ... that's asking much ;)
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: hendrik-sg on May 14, 2013, 04:04:33 PM
From price point of view, this lens sits between the 400 2.8 ii and 600 4.0 ii. it combines the shorter FL with the slower aperture.

At the wide end, a 200 4.0 isnt really spectacular, its available for about $1200, means for this amount a 400 2.8 and a 70-200is is available. if a speed of 4.0 is enough, a 500 4.0 looks like a bargin and with a 1.4 ext and a 2nd body its as flexible and gives more reach.

so the new lens would be fine but for this price its really specialised, and only an answer if 200-300mm cant be done with a 2nd, way cheaper lens. If it would be priced between the 300 2.8 and 500 4.0 it would be more interesting. as far as i know, the Nikon is prised in this range, but not sure about this.

to price it logically, the price must be reduced by 25% or the priced of the other teles must be increased the same amount, so its our guess what canon might do if the new lens wïll be no success
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: jrista on May 14, 2013, 07:27:45 PM
WOWZERS! $11,799! That is one hell of a hefty price for a mere 200-400mm lens. I understand this baby was highly anticipated, and the Nikon version is highly prized by wildlife shooters...but nearly twelve grand? OUCH.

This puppy damn well better perform like a sun of a gun (and, according to Andy Rouse, it DOES) for that price. I'm still going to hold out for a 600mm f/4 L IS II. Its only $1200 more, for 2.25x more subject magnification.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Daniel Flather on May 14, 2013, 11:56:32 PM
I'm still going to hold out for a 600mm f/4 L IS II. Its only $1200 more, for 2.25x more subject magnification.

A 7d and a 300/4 for even less is an option, kinda.  I'm not a wildlife shooter, but if you're birding do you really need to zoom back to 200mm on a $11799 lens?  It seems most wildlife shooters I see are toting a 600/4 and TCs combination.  I've used my 200/2 on the odd bird if I'm out shooting kid pics, and I can tell you 200 is too short for any bird in the wild, works well for tame deer, but useless for timid tiny birds.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: J.R. on May 15, 2013, 03:55:52 AM

This puppy damn well better perform like a sun of a gun (and, according to Andy Rouse, it DOES) for that price. I'm still going to hold out for a 600mm f/4 L IS II. Its only $1200 more, for 2.25x more subject magnification.

I've been thinking about this for quite a while now (since I would be buying only by Christmas this year or spring next year) ... 600 f/4 OR a 200-400 giving me 560 f/5.6.

I've basically come to the same conclusion that a 600 f/4 will better suit my needs for shooting birds. I guess if I were shooting wildlife and/or sports, the 200-400 with the inbuilt 1.4x TC would probably make more sense.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: jrista on May 15, 2013, 09:23:29 AM
I'm still going to hold out for a 600mm f/4 L IS II. Its only $1200 more, for 2.25x more subject magnification.

A 7d and a 300/4 for even less is an option, kinda.  I'm not a wildlife shooter, but if you're birding do you really need to zoom back to 200mm on a $11799 lens?  It seems most wildlife shooters I see are toting a 600/4 and TCs combination.  I've used my 200/2 on the odd bird if I'm out shooting kid pics, and I can tell you 200 is too short for any bird in the wild, works well for tame deer, but useless for timid tiny birds.

Most professional bird photographers use either a 600mm f/4 or 800mm f/5.6. Art Morris frequently uses his 600mm f/4 L IS II with the 2x TC III on a 1D X. With a 7D, I'd probably use the 600mm with the 1.4x TC III, as it would be similar in focal length (1344mm vs. 1200mm). The big reason to get as much focal length as you can is for birds out on water...Grebes, Ducks, Loons, etc. They can often be quite a ways off shore, and filling the frame is tough.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Delish on May 15, 2013, 10:32:33 AM
I guess most bird photographers that will use the 200-400, uses camouflage/hides and bait often enough to justify a specialized lens for those occasions.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: Portrait_Moments_Photogra on May 15, 2013, 02:29:37 PM
its part of psychological marketing - tell them the case is not included.

then, sell them with the same price with case included - all of a sudden, the whole rip-off seems like a raw deal cheap.

also, pls dont forget - its a f/4.0 lens. - if you want to shoot at twilight or indoors sports/events - it will not outperform the 300,400 2.8's - let alone, the bokeh wont be as nice.

12K ???? for a lens?????

7D with Sigma 120-300 ( 192-480) make that 200-500 f/2.8
1500  + 3600 = 5100

add a tele for say 5,500 total and you got a 268-672 f4 (( 1.6x +1.4x)

that leaves you with 6,500 to buy a 1DX or the older 300 or 400 f/2.8
OR
a 5D3 with a UWAL or whatever.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: daniela on May 15, 2013, 05:29:37 PM
Pretty expensive. To much for an hobby-shooter

My questions:

1.) Why did Canon raise the price of other lenses too? 500,600,800...  are about 500-800$ more expensive overnight.
I think the writer of the review is telling us some truth: Canon wants to milk the cow (us costomers) as much as possible.

2.) Are there alternatives for the 500,... lenses? Sigma?
Half of the price. How good are they?
The Canon lens will be better, of course. But how much better? Can I see it on my picture  hanging on the wall behind me ?

I wrote 2011 an letter to one of the big German photo-magazines, if it would be possible to test other 3rd party lenses too. But they refused, because Canon and Nikon could refuse sending lenses for testing.

Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: neuroanatomist on May 15, 2013, 05:59:56 PM
1.) Why did Canon raise the price of other lenses too? 500,600,800...  are about 500-800$ more expensive overnight.

2.) Are there alternatives for the 500,... lenses? Sigma?
Half of the price. How good are they?

1.) Not as far as I can tell. The 300 - 600 II lenses haven't seen a price change in several weeks, and they're a couple to a few hundred cheaper than at launch.  They did all see a big increase in between announcement and launch - but that was a 12-18 month interval, and IIRC there were currency issues then.

2.) The Sigma 120-300/2.8 is reportedly very good, although not quite the IQ of the 300 II. But longer offerings from 3rd parties don't come close to the Canon supertele lenses.
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: daniela on May 15, 2013, 06:14:09 PM
1.) Why did Canon raise the price of other lenses too? 500,600,800...  are about 500-800$ more expensive overnight.

2.) Are there alternatives for the 500,... lenses? Sigma?
Half of the price. How good are they?

1.) Not as far as I can tell. The 300 - 600 II lenses haven't seen a price change in several weeks, and they're a couple to a few hundred cheaper than at launch.  They did all see a big increase in between announcement and launch - but that was a 12-18 month interval, and IIRC there were currency issues then.

2.) The Sigma 120-300/2.8 is reportedly very good, although not quite the IQ of the 300 II. But longer offerings from 3rd parties don't come close to the Canon supertele lenses.


Ad 1.) Not in Germany..... (Picture from 600mmm Canon L II)
Title: Re: Preorder the EF 200-400 f/4L IS 1.4x TC
Post by: neuroanatomist on May 15, 2013, 06:18:36 PM
Ad 1.) Not in Germany..... (Picture from 600mmm Canon L II)

That's too bad.  You had $ and not € in your question...