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Title: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Canon Rumors on June 14, 2013, 09:25:54 AM

From B&H Photo

B&H Photo is now accepting preorders for the Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC lens. Keep in mind a “DC” lens is for a crop body.


Preorder the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC $799


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Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: 2n10 on June 14, 2013, 09:42:58 AM
Not a bad price
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Dylan777 on June 14, 2013, 09:43:58 AM
I don't recall seeing a f1.8 zoom until now :o
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: sjschall on June 14, 2013, 09:44:30 AM
I agree. Pretty great price considering many primes in that range cost close to that. Excited to see how this lens performs.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: pdirestajr on June 14, 2013, 10:07:28 AM
I'm siked for this. I don't have anything "wide" for my 7D. Even if there is extreme vignetting and it isn't impossibly sharp wide-open, it means that slightly stopped down it could be really sweet and still fast.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: RGF on June 14, 2013, 10:08:03 AM
Filters are 72mm, I expected a much larger size.   But I guess the crop helps reduce the size of the lens

And yes 1.8'is impressive
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on June 14, 2013, 10:40:17 AM
This link was posted elsewhere, but I thought I would include it here.  For those with a crop body, this certainly sounds like an intriguing lens!

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=1609 (http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=1609)
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Zv on June 14, 2013, 10:43:31 AM
Hmmm tempting but I don't want to invest in APS-C anymore. The focal range is interesting as it overalaps Sigma's own 30mm f/1.4 DC HSM A. At this price it seems like the zoom would be the way to go?
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on June 14, 2013, 10:44:05 AM
Hmmm tempting but I don't want to invest in APS-C anymore. The focal range is interesting as it overalaps Sigma's own 30mm f/1.4 DC HSM A. At this price it seems like the zoom would be the way to go?

Very true, particularly considering the 30mm isn't amazing optically.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Rudeofus on June 14, 2013, 10:44:45 AM
I don't recall seeing a f1.8 zoom until now :o

How about 6-60mm F/1.6 for US$410 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)? Or 8-48mm F/1.2 for US$460 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)?

It's all a question of image circle diameter and back focus length, and it's about time that crop camera users get to take full advantage of their smaller sensor and mirror.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Zv on June 14, 2013, 10:52:42 AM
I just checked amazon.jp and the lens is on pre order at ¥89,900!!! I thought it was made here! Why does it cost more than the US??
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Zv on June 14, 2013, 10:55:11 AM
Hmmm tempting but I don't want to invest in APS-C anymore. The focal range is interesting as it overalaps Sigma's own 30mm f/1.4 DC HSM A. At this price it seems like the zoom would be the way to go?

Very true, particularly considering the 30mm isn't amazing optically.

I was refering to the new 30, not the old one. It hasn't had much press. Is that because it's not that great?
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Random Orbits on June 14, 2013, 11:19:24 AM
Hmmm tempting but I don't want to invest in APS-C anymore. The focal range is interesting as it overalaps Sigma's own 30mm f/1.4 DC HSM A. At this price it seems like the zoom would be the way to go?

Very true, particularly considering the 30mm isn't amazing optically.

I was refering to the new 30, not the old one. It hasn't had much press. Is that because it's not that great?

LensRentals did a quick evaluation of it.  It was similar to the older 30 with sharper corners - center was about the same.  IQ-wise, it is much closer to the old 30 than the new 35 f/1.4.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: verysimplejason on June 14, 2013, 11:29:03 AM
I don't recall seeing a f1.8 zoom until now :o

How about 6-60mm F/1.6 for US$410 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)? Or 8-48mm F/1.2 for US$460 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)?

It's all a question of image circle diameter and back focus length, and it's about time that crop camera users get to take full advantage of their smaller sensor and mirror.

You forgot, for a 1/3". :D    And that's a F1.6 lens.  I don't think you can compare that F1.6 lens on a 1/3 sensor to a F1.8 lens on a 1/1.6 sensor.  That's F1.8 at almost twice the sensor area.
Title: Sounds like a bargain...
Post by: clicstudio on June 14, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Most 1.8 primes are around $450...
Being a zoom lens, it gives you a lot more flexibility.
I just wish the zoom went left to right and not right to left like on Nkon...
I  never understood the logic for that.
Less is left, more is right. In most things in life.
Water, volume knobs, etc.
It might be confusing for owners of both Canon and Sigma lenses.
Still, I saw the DPReview preview and they loved it. They thought the price was going to be over $1200.
Sigma will sell a lot of these... They introduced a never before done lens and at an amazing price.
Great for them!
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: ahsanford on June 14, 2013, 11:52:59 AM

I started another thread on this when the price dropped yesterday...

Engagdet (not a great SLR source of insight) expected this to be priced in the $2k+ range as it was an industry first.  Cue giggling.

But even I am surprised with the $799 price including the hood.

I personally was expecting this to be coming in around $1,000-$1,200 even though it's APS-C only.  A first is still a first, and I'm not convinced something is so easily 'priced out of APS-C user territory' with so many sports / wildlife guys plugging much more expensive glass on their 7Ds.

Any of you surprised by the $799 figure?  The chatter I've seen on other announcement pages (photo rumors, Petapixel, etc.) has been very positive re: the price.

Sigma is on fire right now with that 35mm F/1.4, so people are taking them more seriously.  I still am bent out of shape that they are using whatever witchcraft they have on crop when full frame people would give their left nut for this -- where is the EF 24-50 F/2.2 for full frame?   ;D

- A
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Rudeofus on June 14, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
It's all a question of image circle diameter and back focus length, and it's about time that crop camera users get to take full advantage of their smaller sensor and mirror.

You forgot, for a 1/3". :D    And that's a F1.6 lens.  I don't think you can compare that F1.6 lens on a 1/3 sensor to a F1.8 lens on a 1/1.6 sensor.  That's F1.8 at almost twice the sensor area.
I thought my quote made it quite obvious that image circle and back focus determines what zoom ranges and apertures can be made, and of course these lenses won't work on a Canon SLR. Also, look at the zoom range of these lenses given their apertures!

What I tried to say was that as your image circle goes smaller you quickly get a lot more options regarding zoom range and max open aperture number. Looking at the current lens lineup for crop cameras, there is little difference in zoom range and max aperture number between full frame and crop lenses. This new Sigma lens seems to be the first one to break this pattern, and we should expect more in kind from various vendors hopefully soon.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: wsmith96 on June 14, 2013, 12:04:33 PM
I've not used 3rd party lenses before.  How do they usually stack up against OEM?   This is an interesting lens to me.  Can't wait to read more reviews about it.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: wsmith96 on June 14, 2013, 12:06:57 PM


Sigma is on fire right now with that 35mm F/1.4, so people are taking them more seriously.  I still am bent out of shape that they are using whatever witchcraft they have on crop when full frame people would give their left nut for this  -- where is the EF 24-50 F/2.2 for full frame?   ;D

- A


Not sure about the left one...perhaps the right one.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: ahsanford on June 14, 2013, 12:11:32 PM
I've not used 3rd party lenses before.  How do they usually stack up against OEM?   This is an interesting lens to me.  Can't wait to read more reviews about it.

Generally, I avoid them, but the Sigma 35 F/1.4 is being widely regarded as a game changer for Sigma's future prospects.  From Roger at LensRentals:

"It’s been a long time since a take was so easy. This is the sharpest 35mm made. It costs a lot less than the Canon 35 f/1.4mm or the Zeiss 35mm lenses. Any questions? It’s extremely well built and everything I’ve been able to see, inside and out, indicates quality control has really improved at Sigma.

If you’re a bokeh fanatic, you may like something else better (or maybe not, that’s a subjective call). If you need Image Stabilization, then the 35mm f/2 IS may be worthwhile. Otherwise, this is the 35mm lens.

Arguably as good or better than anything else made, and at a lower price."

That lens also won a rather odd fan-voted blinded study on best bokeh on DigitalRevTV -- they posted three shots without saying which lens was which (no EXIF data posted), and the fans chose the Sigma 35 over the Nikon and Canon.

- A
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: drjlo on June 14, 2013, 12:17:18 PM

Any of you surprised by the $799 figure?  The chatter I've seen on other announcement pages (photo rumors, Petapixel, etc.) has been very positive re: the price.


I can imagine that if Canon had come up with this first-of-kind lens, they would have priced it at $1800 easily  :'(   

I don't want to invest further in aps-c, but if Sigma makes EF-M version of this lens, I would probably buy the lens and Canon EOS-M (hopefully next version) just for this lens, skipping the EF-M adapter.   
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: ahsanford on June 14, 2013, 12:19:36 PM

Well that didn't take long:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/14/sigma-18-35mm-f-1-8-lens-only-800/ (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/14/sigma-18-35mm-f-1-8-lens-only-800/)

Make fun of tech blogs all you want, at least Engadget fesses up when they miss the mark so badly.  Respect.

- A
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: pj1974 on June 14, 2013, 12:30:19 PM
I congratulate Sigma for designing and producing this ground-breaking lens. A f/1.8 zoom for DSLR (admittedly limited to APS-C sensored camera bodies - but still it's an impressive design).

And... according to SLRgear - who have just tested this lens, it performs very well! Read their 'rave review' here: http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=1609 (http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=1609)    8)

As this lens doesn't suit my style of photography - I don't expect to purchase it (even though the price is very reasonable). However I do think many people will be happy to buy the lens at the price of $799 USD.

Well done Sigma... looking forward to more quality technology in the future.  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Random Orbits on June 14, 2013, 12:44:00 PM

I started another thread on this when the price dropped yesterday...

Engagdet (not a great SLR source of insight) expected this to be priced in the $2k+ range as it was an industry first.  Cue giggling.

But even I am surprised with the $799 price including the hood.

I personally was expecting this to be coming in around $1,000-$1,200 even though it's APS-C only.  A first is still a first, and I'm not convinced something is so easily 'priced out of APS-C user territory' with so many sports / wildlife guys plugging much more expensive glass on their 7Ds.

Any of you surprised by the $799 figure?  The chatter I've seen on other announcement pages (photo rumors, Petapixel, etc.) has been very positive re: the price.

Sigma is on fire right now with that 35mm F/1.4, so people are taking them more seriously.  I still am bent out of shape that they are using whatever witchcraft they have on crop when full frame people would give their left nut for this -- where is the EF 24-50 F/2.2 for full frame?   ;D

- A

Not too suprised about the price.  Sigma has found a nice spot shy of 1k.  If it were FF, then it'd be 2k or more, depending on it's peformance.

I do have a question about its design, though.  It's heavier and longer than the 16-35L II, so is this lens essentially a 16-35 FF UWA design with a speedbooster added?  If it is, does that imply that a fast FF zoom would be similar is size to a medium format lens?
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Etienne on June 14, 2013, 01:00:33 PM
I don't recall seeing a f1.8 zoom until now :o

How about 6-60mm F/1.6 for US$410 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)? Or 8-48mm F/1.2 for US$460 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/599880-REG/Pelco_13ZD6X10_13ZD6X10_Motorized_Zoom_Lens.html)?

It's all a question of image circle diameter and back focus length, and it's about time that crop camera users get to take full advantage of their smaller sensor and mirror.

You forgot, for a 1/3". :D    And that's a F1.6 lens.  I don't think you can compare that F1.6 lens on a 1/3 sensor to a F1.8 lens on a 1/1.6 sensor.  That's F1.8 at almost twice the sensor area.

Actually APSC is about 10 times the sensor area of a 1/3 sensor
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: ahsanford on June 14, 2013, 02:04:58 PM
Not too suprised about the price.  Sigma has found a nice spot shy of 1k.  If it were FF, then it'd be 2k or more, depending on it's peformance.

I do have a question about its design, though.  It's heavier and longer than the 16-35L II, so is this lens essentially a 16-35 FF UWA design with a speedbooster added?  If it is, does that imply that a fast FF zoom would be similar is size to a medium format lens?

You raise a fair question -- if Sigma made the ultrafast zoom for FF many in this forum would want, it likely would be a pickle jar of a lens.  One might imagine it would be a standard zoom with the size and weight of the 70-200 F/2.8 IS.

Your analogy is a good one.  I've tinkered briefly with the Leica medium format SLR and everything about it was comically large for obvious (huge sensor/ 'anti-crop') reasons.  A lens like that on a FF SLR would be a major chore to lug around.

- A
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: rs on June 14, 2013, 02:46:23 PM
I do have a question about its design, though.  It's heavier and longer than the 16-35L II, so is this lens essentially a 16-35 FF UWA design with a speedbooster added?
You need a 1.55x speedbooster (telecompressor) to go from f2.8 to f1.8. If a 16-35/2.8 was fitted with a 1.55x telecompressor, it would become an APS-C 10.3-22.5/1.8.

A better match is a 24-70/2.8 with a 1.55x telecompressor. The nearest rival is another third party premium product, the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC (just £20 and 15g more) - and that would make a 15.4-45/1.8 VC lens with the same telecompressor built in. Wider, longer, and image stabilised.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Random Orbits on June 14, 2013, 03:59:34 PM
I do have a question about its design, though.  It's heavier and longer than the 16-35L II, so is this lens essentially a 16-35 FF UWA design with a speedbooster added?
You need a 1.55x speedbooster (telecompressor) to go from f2.8 to f1.8. If a 16-35/2.8 was fitted with a 1.55x telecompressor, it would become an APS-C 10.3-22.5/1.8.

A better match is a 24-70/2.8 with a 1.55x telecompressor. The nearest rival is another third party premium product, the Tamron 24-70/2.8 VC (just £20 and 15g more) - and that would make a 15.4-45/1.8 VC lens with the same telecompressor built in. Wider, longer, and image stabilised.

Yes, the 24-70 would be required, not the 16-35.  Oddly enough, the 18-35 f/1.8 is similar in weight to Sigma's 24-70 but is about an inch longer than the S24-70, which I found curious, which was why I thought Sigma might have "built-in" the booster to get the fast lens for APS-C.  Chop off the long and wide ends where zooms are typically weakest, optimize the optical formula slightly, and voila!
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: Cannon Man on June 14, 2013, 04:42:36 PM
It's amazing how close to the canon 24-70 II they can model their lens and get away with it.

Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: brad-man on June 14, 2013, 06:01:59 PM
It's amazing how close to the canon 24-70 II they can model their lens and get away with it.

 :o  What?
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: davidonformosa on June 15, 2013, 02:34:41 AM
I'm surprised by the price. I was expecting it to be around $1,200. I don't expect this lens to be quite as good as an f/1.8 or f/1.4 prime. However, it is really competing against the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 and Canon 17-55 f/2.8. As such the extra aperture it offers makes it very attractive.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: aeronic on June 15, 2013, 05:39:25 AM
I am really tempted by this. I have a canon 35 f2 and 50 1.8 to go with my 550D (and the 18-135 zoom), and I could most likely sell the 35f2 to help fund.

There's just so much choice for APS-C - both 15-85 and 17-55 would be a nice upgrade from my 18-135, and I certainly wouldn't buy both of either of those and this new 18-35.

help!
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: AdamJ on June 16, 2013, 03:46:22 AM
This seems to be a nice lens but it's big and heavy, and isn't quite wide enough, in my view. I'm sure many crop users are still wishing for a fast, wide, lightweight APS-C prime - perhaps a 15mm f/1.4 or f/1.8.
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: aeronic on June 16, 2013, 04:01:47 AM
This seems to be a nice lens but it's big and heavy, and isn't quite wide enough, in my view. I'm sure many crop users are still wishing for a fast, wide, lightweight APS-C prime - perhaps a 15mm f/1.4 or f/1.8.

+1
Title: Re: Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC Available for Preorder
Post by: BRNDV on June 17, 2013, 07:20:54 AM
Hi,

It's amazing how close to the canon 24-70 II they can model their lens and get away with it.

Well, the fact that the sigma features internal zooming tells us a different story, confirmed by those :
(http://www.*********.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/wpid-Photo-Jan-13-2013-1218.jpg)
Canon 24-70 f/2.8 L II USM (source : *********)

(http://www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/product/art/a_18_35_18/images/features/feature05_img03.gif)
Sigma 18-35 f/1.8 DC HSM (source : sigma-global)