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Gear Talk => EOS-M => Topic started by: Canon Rumors on June 20, 2013, 10:17:55 AM

Title: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Canon Rumors on June 20, 2013, 10:17:55 AM
It looks to do what it should
The new firmware for the Canon EOS M will be coming soon, and there’s now a video out there comparing the performance differences between 1.0.6 and 2.0.2 (which may not be the final version).

I like the EOS M a lot, especially with the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM, however the AF performance of the camera has really given it a bad name. While I don’t think it’s any worse than a G15 in real world use, that’s definitely not good enough for a DSLR replacement/companion camera.

Below are a couple of videos showing off the performance

First with firmware 1.0.6 (current)

Now with firmware 2.0.2

As you can see, the performance improvement is obvious in this one test.

Canon EOS M w/22mm f/2 STM $479 at B&H Photo

Source: [PB]

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Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: paul13walnut5 on June 20, 2013, 10:56:08 AM
The problem with these two clips (as pointed out earlier in a thread I started) is that they are using different AF modes.

It was suggested that they should be tried on a like for like basis.

The samples shown earlier have the cameras set to 55mm and the same flexizone.

Interestingly, in the sample of the 22mm lens the flexizone in v2 vastly outperformed the single zone in v1, currently the single zone is far faster.

On that basis, this looks like one hell of an ugrade, and it seems the folk who bought the EOS M at knockdown prices may have got the bargain of the century.   
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Peevee on June 20, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
Bah! This showed up yesterday on *********.com. Even title is similar
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: miejoe on June 20, 2013, 11:04:55 AM
Excellent, now can we expect this firmware update for on-sensor phase-detect Canon DSLRs as well (650D, 700D, 100D), because they're just as painfully slow in live view.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: JoeDavid on June 20, 2013, 11:06:04 AM
I would like for Canon to release a more serious M body but I doubt they will here in the USA.  The newly announced EF-M 11-22mm f/4-5.6 IS STM is not being offered here; only other parts of the world.  That tells me that the USA arm of Canon doesn't want to support the M series any more than they have to.  It will be interesting to see of they offer the firmware upgrade on their site...
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Haydn1971 on June 20, 2013, 11:08:55 AM
Any indication on when - I love my EOS-M, but this will make it the mutts nuts ;-)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: dmills on June 20, 2013, 11:18:27 AM
Too little, too late imo
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Lee Jay on June 20, 2013, 12:10:54 PM
The problem with these two clips (as pointed out earlier in a thread I started) is that they are using different AF modes.

I agree...try this one instead:

선택초점 AF속도 (18mm) _ CANON EOS M (ver.2.0.2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19sKnI64Ko#ws)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Swphoto on June 20, 2013, 12:34:55 PM
Has anyone come across videos showing the AF speed (with the new firmware) when using the EF adapter?
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: mrzero on June 20, 2013, 12:41:31 PM
Excellent, now can we expect this firmware update for on-sensor phase-detect Canon DSLRs as well (650D, 700D, 100D), because they're just as painfully slow in live view.

How about for the G1X?  Everyone was saying "firmware update" when that was released, and it is older than the M by far.  It is still selling at a higher price point, even.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: bvukich on June 20, 2013, 01:08:07 PM
The problem with these two clips (as pointed out earlier in a thread I started) is that they are using different AF modes.

I agree...try this one instead:

선택초점 AF속도 (18mm) _ CANON EOS M (ver.2.0.2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19sKnI64Ko#ws)

Hmmm... that video makes me want to start searching craigslist for a used one.  Not too shabby.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Swphoto on June 20, 2013, 01:10:54 PM
In case any of you live close to one, they are $349 @ Fry's right now including the 22mm lens. I just had Best Buy price match Fry's over the phone - going to compare the M with our recently purchased SL1 to see which one we want to hang on to. I hope the new firmware is released soon.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: neuroanatomist on June 20, 2013, 01:28:07 PM
In case any of you live close to one, they are $349 @ Fry's right now including the 22mm lens. I just had Best Buy price match Fry's over the phone - going to compare the M with our recently purchased SL1 to see which one we want to hang on to. I hope the new firmware is released soon.

Great deal.  I wonder if Best Buy would price match for me, given that the closest Fry's is several hundred miles away...   ::)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: ahab1372 on June 20, 2013, 01:47:57 PM
In case any of you live close to one, they are $349 @ Fry's right now including the 22mm lens. I just had Best Buy price match Fry's over the phone - going to compare the M with our recently purchased SL1 to see which one we want to hang on to. I hope the new firmware is released soon.

Great deal.  I wonder if Best Buy would price match for me, given that the closest Fry's is several hundred miles away...   ::)
It is not going to be long and CR members will start buying gear for each other  ;D
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: paul13walnut5 on June 20, 2013, 01:48:55 PM
The problem with these two clips (as pointed out earlier in a thread I started) is that they are using different AF modes.

I agree...try this one instead:

선택초점 AF속도 (18mm) _ CANON EOS M (ver.2.0.2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19sKnI64Ko#ws)

Excellent.  Sold!. Can't wait for new firmware.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: ChrisHale on June 20, 2013, 01:53:13 PM
Here's the actual comparison to the first video.

EOS-M 22mm version 2.0.2
선택초점 AF속도 (22mm팬) _ CANON EOS M (ver.2.0.2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsU_sosrbnE#ws)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: mrsfotografie on June 20, 2013, 02:23:16 PM
Too little, too late imo

Agreed, as illustrated by my signature...
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: t.linn on June 20, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
Too little, too late imo

Agreed.  This whole topic suggests that the only thing keeping the M from being competitive with the alternatives is AF speed.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: c.d.embrey on June 20, 2013, 03:26:50 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Niki on June 20, 2013, 03:27:10 PM
does this mean I have to buy another camera or not? 8)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Act444 on June 20, 2013, 03:36:54 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA

I've tested the 50 1.8 and unfortunately it is slower...significantly so. Haven't tried the other two lenses though...
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: jocau on June 20, 2013, 03:42:31 PM
Quote
And here's the full list for people who care...

1) Focus speed current firmware (1.0.6)

- 18-55mm @ 18mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgsA6UaqDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgsA6UaqDg)
- 18-55mm @ 55mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVP6ws45AI4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVP6ws45AI4)
- 18-55mm @ 18mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKvdQA3GoAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKvdQA3GoAA)
- 18-55mm @ 55mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRoswGQ8tI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjRoswGQ8tI)
- 22mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2hRzGlN30 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2hRzGlN30)
- 22mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5TwUJNLcE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS5TwUJNLcE)

2) Focus speed new firmware (2.0.2)

- 18-55mm @ 18mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19sKnI64Ko (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-19sKnI64Ko)
- 18-55mm @ 55mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0esfN0dyQs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0esfN0dyQs)
- 18-55mm @ 18mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvWfVvZfbo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BvWfVvZfbo)
- 18-55mm @ 55mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZN2P3G6Q-g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZN2P3G6Q-g)
- 22mm (Flexizone Single): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsU_sosrbnE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsU_sosrbnE)
- 22mm (Flexizone Multi): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlQ1pQ4LDUs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlQ1pQ4LDUs)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: RGF on June 20, 2013, 03:47:46 PM
Has anyone come across videos showing the AF speed (with the new firmware) when using the EF adapter?

Key question for me.  If they improve the AF, I will take a second look
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: paul13walnut5 on June 20, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA

I've used the 100mm f2.0 with ef-m, in single zone mode it works very well, can't wait for fw2
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: c.d.embrey on June 20, 2013, 04:42:42 PM

I've used the 100mm f2.0 with ef-m, in single zone mode it works very well, can't wait for fw2

Thanks for the quick reply. Guess I'll buy an EOS-M  :) The rumored 2.02 will make these lenses very useable  :)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: AdamJ on June 20, 2013, 08:25:26 PM
does this mean I have to buy another camera or not? 8)

 ;D
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: jdramirez on June 20, 2013, 09:37:54 PM
I want a 2nd body for my daughter, and I think this would be a good option, but I object to having to pay extra for the EF adapter... I also object to allowing my daughter to take my L lenses outside of the house. 
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Lee Jay on June 20, 2013, 10:39:33 PM
Too little, too late imo

Agreed, as illustrated by my signature...

I agree.  I don't know how they're going to turn it into an SL1 with firmware.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Swphoto on June 20, 2013, 11:04:07 PM
The other question is will this update trickle down (up?) to the Rebels and/or other bodies? If the EOS M AF was similar to the T4i Live View AF previously, then it seems that they could also make live view much more usable on the other recent bodies by implementing whatever improvements are included here.

I've read of issues using the 2x III TC with the EOS M/EF Adapter, but I'm having trouble finding details - can someone point me to a link with details? Does it not AF at all, only with certain lenses, or have other issues?
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: verysimplejason on June 21, 2013, 01:35:11 AM
I want a 2nd body for my daughter, and I think this would be a good option, but I object to having to pay extra for the EF adapter... I also object to allowing my daughter to take my L lenses outside of the house.

Then don't buy the adapter and just buy the EF-M compatible lenses only.  I heard there's a EF-M version of the 55-250 coming.  Together with 18-55 and 22mm, this is already a good set of lenses.  Don't forget to buy her the cute 90EX.  :)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Mellonhead on June 21, 2013, 10:52:30 AM
The other question is will this update trickle down (up?) to the Rebels and/or other bodies? If the EOS M AF was similar to the T4i Live View AF previously, then it seems that they could also make live view much more usable on the other recent bodies by implementing whatever improvements are included here.

I've read of issues using the 2x III TC with the EOS M/EF Adapter, but I'm having trouble finding details - can someone point me to a link with details? Does it not AF at all, only with certain lenses, or have other issues?

I've been using the EOS-M with the 70-200 F4 with the 1.4 II TC and it focuses fine.

(http://s21.postimg.org/9fi7vvonr/Steph01_sm.jpg)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Swphoto on June 21, 2013, 11:05:02 AM

I've been using the EOS-M with the 70-200 F4 with the 1.4 II TC and it focuses fine.

(http://s21.postimg.org/9fi7vvonr/Steph01_sm.jpg)

Good to hear - thanks!
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: paul13walnut5 on June 21, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA

I did a wee test with my M with the EF-m adapator and 100mm f2.0, along the end of an airport runway as a plane approaches.  It will AF, and it will servo.

http://youtu.be/JRjnqv1ffCk (http://youtu.be/JRjnqv1ffCk)[/url]

Set to 4fps playback, which roughly matches the shooting rate.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Woody on June 21, 2013, 03:28:52 PM
Too little, too late imo

Apparently, not too late for the USA market. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/06/18/reviewed-mirrorless-cameras/2431125/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/06/18/reviewed-mirrorless-cameras/2431125/):

"The mirrorless segment is gaining huge ground in Japan, where it makes up about 10% of the camera market, according to the Camera & Imaging Products Association. Of the 1.8 million cameras shipped in the Americas (not just the USA) in April, a measly 38,843 of them were mirrorless — 2% of the total."

That explains Canon's apathy. ;)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Johnsa on June 21, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
Is this a closed beta test or is the firmware leaked somewhere?
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: lopicma on June 22, 2013, 01:00:14 AM
This is about as fast as the SL1 I played with at Sam's Club the other week.

Stunning improvement.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: c.d.embrey on June 23, 2013, 05:39:39 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA

I did a wee test with my M with the EF-m adapator and 100mm f2.0, along the end of an airport runway as a plane approaches.  It will AF, and it will servo.

http://youtu.be/JRjnqv1ffCk (http://youtu.be/JRjnqv1ffCk)[/url]

Set to 4fps playback, which roughly matches the shooting rate.

Looks good!! Much better than I'd expect for tracking a fast moving object. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: castillophotodesign on June 23, 2013, 07:58:58 PM
I am really loving my EOS M  8) Here is a shoot of a ferrari with graffitis on the background that i took with my EOS M and the 22mm wide open at F2

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=477183749025861&l=ec648470a8 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=477183749025861&l=ec648470a8)
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Swphoto on June 23, 2013, 08:33:46 PM
To follow up on my previous post, I've now tested the M with my 2x III TC + 70-200 2.8 II and haven't encountered any issues.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Kelt0901 on June 23, 2013, 11:04:49 PM
Has anyone used a f/1.8 50mm, f/1.8 85mm or a f/2.0 100mm on their EOS-M, using the EF-EOS M lens adapter?? Is the auto-focus campareable to the EF-M f/2.0 22mm lens when using the adapted lens?

TIA

I've tested the 50 1.8 and unfortunately it is slower...significantly so. Haven't tried the other two lenses though...

I had this problem with my EOS lenses, I then decided to actually read the Instruction Manual, check out page 131.   When set up to FlexiZone Single, auto focus was much better with my EOS lenses.   I like this camera, it replaced my G9 and is an overall big improvement.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: Johnsa on June 25, 2013, 06:37:40 AM
Canon JP has just announced that the new firmware update version 2.0.2 for the Canon EOS M mirrorless camera will be available for download on June, 27, 2013.
Title: Re: The New EOS M Firmware in Action
Post by: djchuckles on June 27, 2013, 08:07:24 AM
It's arrived :

http://www.canon.com.au/Personal/Support-Help/Support-News/Firmware-Updates/EOSM-Firmware-Update (http://www.canon.com.au/Personal/Support-Help/Support-News/Firmware-Updates/EOSM-Firmware-Update)