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Title: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Canon Rumors on June 28, 2013, 09:55:37 AM
From Canon France
The fine people at Canon France sent me a tweet explaining yesterdays mention about large sensor compacts. Their reasoning seems reasonable, however it appears they’ve been migrating their web site for 6 months or so. Hopefully they aren’t paying the folks in charge of that by the hour.

I have talked to a few other sources, and none of them had heard anything as of yet about a cool big sensor compact.

canonfrance

One more thing…. Canon is not overly happy with us at the moment, especially one specific country (not France). However, nothing we do here is about being malicious or to hurt anyone. As such, we apologize to anyone that may have been affected in a negative way by yesterdays posts.

Canon France on Twitter

cr

Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: KyleSTL on June 28, 2013, 10:09:08 AM
Sorry about the heat you're getting right now, Craig, we (the enthusiasts) appreciate the service you provide.  Somehow I don't believe the outdated excuse, the last compact APS (March 2002) or 35mm compact camera (April 2005) Canon made was long before consumer camcorders were segmented into "SD" and "HD".  Other than that, the emoticon says it all.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Kristofgss on June 28, 2013, 10:20:04 AM
Their comment doesn't seem to be dissatisfied with canon rumors?, Unless the abbreviation RT means something special?
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: mrzero on June 28, 2013, 10:28:21 AM
It is absolutely ludicrous that Canon would ever be "not happy" with you.  The readers on this forum are Canon's core customer base for DSLR and high-end photo gear.  Everyone knows the P&S market is declining, so if they want to keep selling cameras, they should be courting US.  Listening to all of the free R&D/focus group feedback we put in on a daily basis.  Announcing roadmaps (for something other than a $12k pro wildlife zoom lens) so we can plan our financial investments.

If they aren't happy, it must be because they (1) don't have any large-sensor compacts to sell, or (2) they thought they were going to surprise the world (gasp) when they did announce one.  I would suggest they worry more about pushing out new products and firmware/feature updates for existing products. 

And while I'm grumping, how about some consistency in the refurb store!
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Canon Rumors on June 28, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
I amended the post, it's a different country than France. :)
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: swrightgfx on June 28, 2013, 10:58:31 AM
It appears their web developers have got a pay rise, as they were very efficient in removing the offending material. You will notice Compact APS and 24x36 have now disappeared.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Daniel Flather on June 28, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
One more thing…. Canon is not overly happy with us at the moment

Good, so they do acknowledge this site's existence.  Maybe this site's members' voices are being heard.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: LukieLauXD on June 28, 2013, 11:11:37 AM
Canon is not overly happy with us at the moment, especially one specific country (not France).

It's ok, it's only France. No harm no foul.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: hmmm on June 28, 2013, 11:27:49 AM
Me2, CR guy: thanks for taking the heat.

To Canon: It's understandable that you are irked by spoilers -- you invest a lot in rolling out new product.
However...

2 points:
1) Consider it a part of a guerrilla marketing campaign.  This preview is generating lots of internet buzz.   Roll with it.

2) It's when people stop caring a flying fig about what your next product is going to be that you really need to worry!
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: jebrady03 on June 28, 2013, 11:40:02 AM
to those who think that canon is upset about the large sensor compact post I would suggest that they're probably upset about the 70 post.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Harry Muff on June 28, 2013, 12:01:03 PM
Well, you're always gonna ruffle some feathers when you piss on people's parades for a living.


Comes with the territory.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: x-vision on June 28, 2013, 12:03:43 PM
One more thing…

Heh. I bet it's Canon USA and their lawyers.
Not happy that CanonRumors basically pre-announced the 70D.
CanonRumors is doing free PR for Canon, basically, but I guess pre-announcements are not cool - although it makes us, readers, happy.
Great job on the flyer yesterday! Congrats.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: Nishi Drew on June 28, 2013, 12:36:42 PM
One more thing…

Heh. I bet it's Canon USA and their lawyers.
Not happy that CanonRumors basically pre-announced the 70D.
CanonRumors is doing free PR for Canon, basically, but I guess pre-announcements are not cool - although it makes us, readers, happy.
Great job on the flyer yesterday! Congrats.

CR isn't the only one with the "leak", if Canon's upset at something like that then it's them that need to work on preventing information from getting out. Which, obviously is impossible in this day and age, so in the end, need to realize one can't press charges against the reality of the modern world...
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: photosites on June 28, 2013, 12:42:49 PM
I believe the comments and feedback Canon got from a 'leak' like this would beat any of those "take two minutes to complete this survey and stand a chance to win XXX" type of market survey.

Rather than sulk or reproach, Canon should really make use of all the information they can gather from this episode. It is safe to surmise that people are excited with large sensor compacts. Now if only the G1X could have  better macro capability, trim its waistline and operate a little faster, I would definitely buy one.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: IWLP on June 28, 2013, 12:43:47 PM

Canon is not overly happy with us at the moment, especially one specific country (not France). However, nothing we do here is about being malicious or to hurt anyone. As such, we apologize to anyone that may have been affected in a negative way by yesterdays posts.

Tell them to get in line behind my wife, who was not overly amused when I told her that I found what my next camera was going to be (referring to the 70D). I'm much more worried about her than a large, multinational company to whom I voluntarily give money.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: J.R. on June 28, 2013, 02:09:34 PM

As such, we apologize to anyone that may have been affected in a negative way by yesterdays posts.


I don't understand this. Who are you apologizing to? and why?

Who in god's name would have been affected in a negative way?

Rumors are par for the course and happen everywhere - Government leaks, Fed minutes, you name it ... why the hell is Canon acting up? Canon should either shut up or take care of the "sources" ... that said, they've made everyone wait long enough for the 7D2/70D.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: neuroanatomist on June 28, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
Maybe CR is apologizing because CR wants to remain on Canon's internally-approved list for 'accidental' leaks...
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: J.R. on June 28, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
... Canon's internally-approved list ...

he he ... good one Neuro!
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: ahab1372 on June 28, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
Who in god's name would have been affected in a negative way?
Maybe someone at Canon or at a Canon dealer or distributor got dinged ...
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: thepancakeman on June 28, 2013, 02:30:24 PM
As such, we apologize to anyone that may have been affected in a negative way by yesterdays posts.

I don't understand this. Who are you apologizing to? and why?

Who in god's name would have been affected in a negative way?

Well it's certainly possible that someone lost a job over it, which obviously would not be CR's intent and worth apologizing for.  Not saying that anyone SHOULD have lost their jobs, but I know there's plenty of lousy management looking to place blame (for how the leak got out) that such things do happen.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: zim on June 28, 2013, 03:17:03 PM
So the leaked 70D camera spec which has overall (for once) received rather positive comment on this fine site incurs the displeasure of Canon where as the volume of negative comments about other product yields no comment? mmmmmmm bless their little cotton socks, ya gotta love them.

There is a rather good Glasgow saying which would be appropriate…… perhaps not  ;D

As for loosing jobs I’m sure we can all think of a whole department at Canon that needs looking at!
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: WoodyWindy on June 28, 2013, 03:23:37 PM
As such, we apologize to anyone that may have been affected in a negative way by yesterdays posts.

I don't understand this. Who are you apologizing to? and why?

Who in god's name would have been affected in a negative way?

Well it's certainly possible that someone lost a job over it, which obviously would not be CR's intent and worth apologizing for.  Not saying that anyone SHOULD have lost their jobs, but I know there's plenty of lousy management looking to place blame (for how the leak got out) that such things do happen.

I hope that's not what happened, but if it wasn't part of a buzz plan, I'm sure someone at least got raked over the coals, and it could very well be a "resume altering event".
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: tdodd on June 28, 2013, 04:00:23 PM
Yesterday I completed an online questionnaire for Canon. It focused on cameras for the most part, rather than lenses and other aspects of photography such as printers etc., but the tone drifted off in the latter pages to show a lot of interest in the compact camera arena. Since they asked, I said that I hated my current compact (Fuji F100fd) and that the thing of most interest to me right now would be the Sony RX100 II. Actually, if I could have been bothered to extend my thesis further I might have mentioned the Ricoh GR as well, but they'd had enough out of me by then.

No smoke without fire, methinks. They're definitely asking the questions.
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: LDS on June 28, 2013, 04:21:47 PM
Oh well, here in Italy Canon is selling an "astrological" camera!

http://www.canon.it/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/index.aspx (http://www.canon.it/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_SLR/index.aspx)

Probably it calculates horoscopes of the people you portrait...  ;D (the correct wording in Italian is "fotografia astronomica", not "astrologica", or "astrofotografia")
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: expatinasia on June 28, 2013, 11:07:01 PM
I feel for Canon. I do hope that they do not do a Google image search for "canon 70D", or even "canon 3D", I can't even imagine how unhappy they would be then. Horror of horrors. :o ::) 8)
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: skfla on June 29, 2013, 08:00:52 AM
It is absolutely ludicrous that Canon would ever be "not happy" with you.  The readers on this forum are Canon's core customer base for DSLR and high-end photo gear.  Everyone knows the P&S market is declining, so if they want to keep selling cameras, they should be courting US.  Listening to all of the free R&D/focus group feedback we put in on a daily basis.  Announcing roadmaps (for something other than a $12k pro wildlife zoom lens) so we can plan our financial investments.

If they aren't happy, it must be because they (1) don't have any large-sensor compacts to sell, or (2) they thought they were going to surprise the world (gasp) when they did announce one.  I would suggest they worry more about pushing out new products and firmware/feature updates for existing products. 

And while I'm grumping, how about some consistency in the refurb store!

+10(emphasis above is mine). Perhaps there are no large-sensor compacts coming & there is only the 70D-we'll know in a few weeks.  If this is the case, they could be mad over this new conjecture stealing some of the thunder of the 70D finally being annouced/released but jesus, can they come to grips with the fact that they can't control all the internet discussions?  If this site, along with a few others, start to discuss only company approved information why bother??
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: pedro on June 29, 2013, 01:25:37 PM
I only hope, Canon will soon present a real new sensor tech far below the 500nm, see below:

"Just don't underestimate the IQ value of those big pixels. You won't get that kind of IQ in a crop body. Even if Canon has made some improvements, and I certainly hope they have (otherwise the 70D IQ will be worse than the 7D IQ), it is unlikely that their 20.2mp APS-C sensor will beat the 6D in terms of IQ. That holds true especially if they have not moved to a new fabrication process...if they stuck with 500nm, then the photodiode area for these pixels will be REALLY SMALL. It would have to be a BSI design in order to make it perform better than the 7D with 500nm transistors (which isn't out of the realm of possibility...just still too early to make the decision to sell a 6D and jump the FF ship just yet, IMO.)"
http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=15594.msg285481#msg285481 (http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=15594.msg285481#msg285481)
Title: Re: Canon France Denies Large Sensor Compacts
Post by: eric_ykchan on June 30, 2013, 04:06:19 AM
I'm not happy with Canon's delay and delay and delay either  :D