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Gear Talk => PowerShot => Topic started by: Canon Rumors on August 21, 2013, 03:35:48 PM

Title: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Canon Rumors on August 21, 2013, 03:35:48 PM

New PowerShots

Canon will announce a slew of PowerShot cameras tonight. The most noteable is the PowerShot G16 which will get DIGIC 6, faster AF and wireless capabilities.


Canon PowerShot G16 Digital Camera



Canon PowerShot S120 Digital Camera



Canon PowerShot SX510 HS Digital Camera



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Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: titokane on August 21, 2013, 04:09:25 PM
I'm happy to see 1080p60 on Canon cameras, even if it's the PowerShots. I think there's an interest out there to start shooting things at higher frame rates (I know I'm interested). Can't wait until more DSLRs get that feature. Can't quite justify getting a 1DC at the moment :D
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: KyleSTL on August 21, 2013, 04:10:31 PM
1080p60?  Where is this in the DSLR line?  9.4 FPS for the S120 and 9.3 for the G16?  Again, all but the 1D X cannot touch that.  Clearly processing power is not the issue at this point, market segmentation is. 

I saw that photorumors also said to expect an S200 camera, which appears to be a notch below the S120, but they did not specify how large the 10MP CCD sensor would be (probably 1/2.3", I'm guessing, unless they are recycling the S90/S95 sensor).
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: neuroanatomist on August 21, 2013, 04:16:31 PM
If they can really do a 24-120mm (FFeq) f/1.8-2.8 lens in an S120, without bulking it up, that would be great.  But I suspect the spec is wrong...
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Don Haines on August 21, 2013, 04:51:08 PM
1080p60?  Where is this in the DSLR line?  9.4 FPS for the S120 and 9.3 for the G16?  Again, all but the 1D X cannot touch that.  Clearly processing power is not the issue at this point, market segmentation is. 

I saw that photorumors also said to expect an S200 camera, which appears to be a notch below the S120, but they did not specify how large the 10MP CCD sensor would be (probably 1/2.3", I'm guessing, unless they are recycling the S90/S95 sensor).

With a digic6, it has a lot more computing power than most DSLR's

Start with a Digic4.... Call it speed factor 1.
60D, digic4, speed =1X
7D, dual digic 4, speed =2X
T5i, Digic 5, speed = 6X
5D3, digic 5+, speed =17X
1DX, dual digic5+, speed =34X

I'm not sure how much faster Digic6 is, but a safe bet is twice or more power than a Digic5+, so at least 36 times the power of a 60D.... The p/s cameras didn't get 60fps until digic6, so it stands to reason that it is tipping point for DSLR's too.

Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: mkabi on August 21, 2013, 05:10:21 PM
I guess the 7D Mark II will be coming with Dual Digic 6.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: RLPhoto on August 21, 2013, 05:50:59 PM
Awww. Too bad I already like my g15 alot.  8)
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: rs on August 21, 2013, 06:32:36 PM
If they can really do a 24-120mm (FFeq) f/1.8-2.8 lens in an S120, without bulking it up, that would be great.  But I suspect the spec is wrong...

 ::)
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Dylan777 on August 21, 2013, 06:36:17 PM
I'll keep an eye on s120. Will Canon be able to bring s120 to RX100 II level?

What I like about RX100 II:
1. Size - fits in jean pocket no problem
2. AF is fast - face detection is excellent
3. Flip screen - great to shoot kids at lower angle shots
4. Sharp at wide open
5. 1600ISO in low light looks really good

Both photos below are straight out from camera. only resized to post here
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Drizzt321 on August 21, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
1080p60?  Where is this in the DSLR line?  9.4 FPS for the S120 and 9.3 for the G16?  Again, all but the 1D X cannot touch that.  Clearly processing power is not the issue at this point, market segmentation is. 

I saw that photorumors also said to expect an S200 camera, which appears to be a notch below the S120, but they did not specify how large the 10MP CCD sensor would be (probably 1/2.3", I'm guessing, unless they are recycling the S90/S95 sensor).

With a digic6, it has a lot more computing power than most DSLR's

Start with a Digic4.... Call it speed factor 1.
60D, digic4, speed =1X
7D, dual digic 4, speed =2X
T5i, Digic 5, speed = 6X
5D3, digic 5+, speed =17X
1DX, dual digic5+, speed =34X

I'm not sure how much faster Digic6 is, but a safe bet is twice or more power than a Digic5+, so at least 36 times the power of a 60D.... The p/s cameras didn't get 60fps until digic6, so it stands to reason that it is tipping point for DSLR's too.

Not quite accurate ratios with the dual DIGICs. In software you don't automatically get 2x scaling (with the vast majority of cases). However, if they did alternate frame kind of processing, for stuff like video or other similar things where you _can_ parallelize it to a degree there's a chance you could see close to 2x scaling. But not in all cases.

Might also be the case that most cards really couldn't handle the write speed necessary, but this year's refresh that's changed sufficiently.

That said, I'd bet that the 1DX needs both DIGIC's for the 2 CF slots among other things. I'd guess that the DIGIC 5+ only has 1 super-high speed DMA I/O port, otherwise I'd like to think that they'd have made the SD slot on the 5d3 UHS-1 compatible.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: ygbsm on August 21, 2013, 07:12:03 PM
If they can really do a 24-120mm (FFeq) f/1.8-2.8 lens in an S120, without bulking it up, that would be great.  But I suspect the spec is wrong...

The photo of a supposed S120 at http://digicame-info.com/2013/08/g16s120.html (http://digicame-info.com/2013/08/g16s120.html) has "5.2-26mm 1:1.8 - 5.7" appearing on the lens. 
Does that sound more likely?
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: CarlMillerPhoto on August 21, 2013, 07:37:46 PM
1080p60?  Where is this in the DSLR line?  9.4 FPS for the S120 and 9.3 for the G16?  Again, all but the 1D X cannot touch that.  Clearly processing power is not the issue at this point, market segmentation is. 


+1

It's annoying.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: roadrunner on August 21, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
I'll keep an eye on s120. Will Canon be able to bring s120 to RX100 II level?

What I like about RX100 II:
1. Size - fits in jean pocket no problem
2. AF is fast - face detection is excellent
3. Flip screen - great to shoot kids at lower angle shots
4. Sharp at wide open
5. 1600ISO in low light looks really good

Both photos below are straight out from camera. only resized to post here

I'm wondering about this too. I bought my wife an RX 100 (Not II) in March for her birthday, and it is an awesome camera. From what I've heard the I and II are very similar strictly from an image quality standpoint. But yes, I will keep my eye on this S120, but I doubt it will touch the image quality of the RX100. Viewing the RX100 beside photos taken from my old Rebel XSi, I really can't tell the difference. Obviously my 5D3 blows the RX100 out of the water, but I feel like the RX100 is on another level when compared to most compact cameras. If the S120 can compete, I will be extremely impressed, especially at 9FPS.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: neuroanatomist on August 21, 2013, 08:58:05 PM
If they can really do a 24-120mm (FFeq) f/1.8-2.8 lens in an S120, without bulking it up, that would be great.  But I suspect the spec is wrong...

The photo of a supposed S120 at http://digicame-info.com/2013/08/g16s120.html (http://digicame-info.com/2013/08/g16s120.html) has "5.2-26mm 1:1.8 - 5.7" appearing on the lens. 
Does that sound more likely?

MUCH more believable.  It's a little better than the S100/S110's 5.2-26mm f/2-5.9 lens.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Woody on August 21, 2013, 08:59:01 PM
Will Canon be able to bring s120 to RX100 II level?

I seriously doubt that. It's hard to beat the RX100 II, especially with the removal of the AA filter.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: bkxmnr on August 21, 2013, 09:01:04 PM
I'm a bit surprised the G16 doesn't have dual-pixel AF like the 70d. It is the flagship point & shoot isn't it?  Or am I expecting too much?
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: tron on August 21, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
I'm a bit surprised the G16 doesn't have dual-pixel AF like the 70d. It is the flagship point & shoot isn't it?  Or am I expecting too much?
You are expecting too much  ;D
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: BPLOL on August 21, 2013, 09:55:39 PM
9 fps, but for how long? 1 sec?
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: gferdinandsen on August 21, 2013, 10:06:21 PM
9 fps, but for how long? 1 sec?

lol, my guess is since it lacks a physical shutter curtain to open and close, it has a higher frame rate than most DSLR's
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: weixing on August 21, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Hi,
   No SX60?? Want to get a SX50, but wondering will an update version coming out soon??

   Have a nice day.
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: domo_p1000 on August 22, 2013, 02:56:48 AM
Interesting: These announcements are a little earlier  than normal and there's no PowerShot SXxx range replacement - these have been as regular as clockwork since 2008 (SX10).
I have been waiting for the SX1 replacement (also 2008) for way too long - perhaps Canon might oblige me with a second announcement (early-to-mid September)!
Title: Re: PowerShot Announcements Tonight [CR3]
Post by: Dylan777 on August 22, 2013, 11:06:41 AM
I'll keep an eye on s120. Will Canon be able to bring s120 to RX100 II level?

What I like about RX100 II:
1. Size - fits in jean pocket no problem
2. AF is fast - face detection is excellent
3. Flip screen - great to shoot kids at lower angle shots
4. Sharp at wide open
5. 1600ISO in low light looks really good

Both photos below are straight out from camera. only resized to post here

I'm wondering about this too. I bought my wife an RX 100 (Not II) in March for her birthday, and it is an awesome camera. From what I've heard the I and II are very similar strictly from an image quality standpoint. But yes, I will keep my eye on this S120, but I doubt it will touch the image quality of the RX100. Viewing the RX100 beside photos taken from my old Rebel XSi, I really can't tell the difference. Obviously my 5D3 blows the RX100 out of the water, but I feel like the RX100 is on another level when compared to most compact cameras. If the S120 can compete, I will be extremely impressed, especially at 9FPS.

With current specs, I don't see how that happen.