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Title: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Canon Rumors on October 25, 2013, 08:42:17 AM

Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder

The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.


Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo


thanks Alessio


cr


Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: infared on October 25, 2013, 08:54:28 AM
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LuCoOc on October 25, 2013, 08:55:20 AM
The lenses sigma announced recently (18-35/ 35 1.4) are now sold for 20-25% less than at the beginning. I'd expect this lens to have a 600-650 $/€ street-price tag within a year.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LuCoOc on October 25, 2013, 08:57:25 AM
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?

The sigma has stabilization. They call it 'Optical Stabilizer' (OS) instead of 'Image Stabilizer' (IS).
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: ScottyP on October 25, 2013, 09:12:32 AM
I think it's safe to say that a lot of people will be eagerly awaiting a hands-on review of this lens.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 25, 2013, 09:26:39 AM
A couple of things.
1) As mentioned previously, Sigma have their own equivalent of Canon's "IS".
2) The 24-105Ls that are selling for $639 are lenses that have been pulled from kits - they're not standalone lenses. Here is the standalone version of the lens priced at $1149 at B&H...
3) If the MTF graphs are anything to by then yes, this lens will easily surpass the current Canon version.

A few things:
1) Sigma have their own equivalent of Canon's USM, called HSM. That doesn't mean it's as fast or as accurate as Canon's USM AF.
2) Kit lenses differ from standalone lenses only in the printing (or lack thereof) on the packaging.  I'm sure there are some willing to pay several hundred dollars for a few microliters of ink sprayed onto the cardboard box, but let's compare lens prices, shall we?  I'm sure we'll see the street price of the Sigma drop pretty soon.
3) Comparing theoretical MTF graphs between manufacturers isn't terribly valid.
4) "A couple things," means two...not three.  ;)
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: crasher8 on October 25, 2013, 09:37:15 AM
Optics over stability ANYDAY
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: bchernicoff on October 25, 2013, 09:52:05 AM
I've been a big fan of Sigma lenses and regard my trio of 1.4 primes as near perfect. This lens is really tempting as a walk around lens with two caveats: lack of weather sealing, and telescoping lens barrel. I went from the Canon 24-105 to the Tamron 24-70 2.8 VC and have been very happy, however I'm expecting big things from this Sigma in terms of IQ. I can't wait for the reviews!
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: preppyak on October 25, 2013, 09:54:50 AM
2) Kit lenses differ from standalone lenses only in the printing (or lack thereof) on the packaging.  I'm sure there are some willing to pay several hundred dollars for a few microliters of ink sprayed onto the cardboard box, but let's compare lens prices, shall we?  I'm sure we'll see the street price of the Sigma drop pretty soon.
Well, technically Canon could do an about face on policy tomorrow, stop honoring repairs on lenses not bought from authorized dealers (like Nikon), and you'd be screwed. Or, they could stop honoring warranties on items not purchased via authorized channels. That's unlikely, but, there is more than just ink that makes the difference. I wouldnt pay hundreds more for that difference. But, Amazon was just selling the authorized version for $699, so I'd go that route and pay the extra $60 no doubt. Especially for the risk you get a lens that is misaligned or has something DOA.

So, price is definitely not the major separating factor right now. If anything, this guarantees that Canons version never goes back above $800 in real-street price. Now it's just a matter of seeing how it performs. If its sharper/has less distortion/etc, then the prices are close enough that people would go Sigma
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: jdramirez on October 25, 2013, 10:02:15 AM
 if I didn't already have a 105 I might consider this...  but I do...  and if I am going to upgrade it would probably be to the 24-70 mkii...  so this really doesn't do much for me other than maybe deflate the of of my  current 105.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: ScottyP on October 25, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
This would make a good kit bundle lens if it proves to. E sharp and accurate.  It would probably be quite cheap that way. Too bad the Sigma cameras are so weird though.  Massive image files and correspondingly weak fps and buffer depth but not enough IQ benefit to justify the triple file size.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LuCoOc on October 25, 2013, 10:19:33 AM
Lots of trash talk going on here...

Sigma is facing a few problems with this lens, but so far I think they made the right decisions:

1) The EF 24-105's price is low, when purchased as a kit or as a used kit lens.
2) The EF 24-105's IQ is quite good.

Answers:

1) The street price of this lens will soon be low enough to challenge the Canon.
2) Well, we will see  ;D

One thing to keep in mind:
Neither Sony nor Nikon offer lenses like this, so there might be a bigger market on the dark side.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: sanj on October 25, 2013, 10:38:29 AM
Lots of trash talk going on here...

Sigma is facing a few problems with this lens, but so far I think they made the right decisions:

1) The EF 24-105's price is low, when purchased as a kit or as a used kit lens.
2) The EF 24-105's IQ is quite good.

Answers:

1) The street price of this lens will soon be low enough to challenge the Canon.
2) Well, we will see  ;D

One thing to keep in mind:
Neither Sony nor Nikon offer lenses like this, so there might be a bigger market on the dark side.

"trash talk" Huh?
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: ScottyP on October 25, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
I am not trashing the lens. In fact if the IQ is greatly better than the Canon version then I believe that I will buy the lens. 

I am pointing out, however, the big elephant in Sigma's room.  They have begun producing some very impressive lenses, and producing them quite rapidly. But their cameras are just so weird that they do not seem likely to gain nearly the market share on the bodies that it seems plausible they may gain gain on the great lenses.  Maybe they need to make a sensor deal with Sony like Nikon did, and produce a line of "straight" cameras if the Foveon thing never fully catches on.  Or make their own.  Maybe a non-bayer approach like Fuji is using.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: adhocphotographer on October 25, 2013, 10:56:36 AM
Am I going to buy this lens....  most probably not... I have a 24-105 already, and am looking at the prime route!

But do i like it...  definitely...  even if it is just Sigma putting pressure on Canon (who are not doing as well as they would like). More lenses Canon, and for less please! :)
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: jdramirez on October 25, 2013, 11:00:57 AM
Lots of trash talk going on here...

Sigma is facing a few problems with this lens, but so far I think they made the right decisions:

1) The EF 24-105's price is low, when purchased as a kit or as a used kit lens.
2) The EF 24-105's IQ is quite good.

Answers:

1) The street price of this lens will soon be low enough to challenge the Canon.
2) Well, we will see  ;D

One thing to keep in mind:
Neither Sony nor Nikon offer lenses like this, so there might be a bigger market on the dark side.
h

I totally forgot about Sony and Nikon.   aren't I myopic.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: distant.star on October 25, 2013, 11:04:27 AM
I am not trashing the lens. In fact if the IQ is greatly better than the Canon version then I believe that I will buy the lens. 

I am pointing out, however, the big elephant in Sigma's room.  They have begun producing some very impressive lenses, and producing them quite rapidly. But their cameras are just so weird that they do not seem likely to gain nearly the market share on the bodies that it seems plausible they may gain gain on the great lenses.  Maybe they need to make a sensor deal with Sony like Nikon did, and produce a line of "straight" cameras if the Foveon thing never fully catches on.  Or make their own.  Maybe a non-bayer approach like Fuji is using.

Just as a point of order, this post has nothing to do with Sigma cameras. This is about their new lens.

As for the new lens I'd be more wary than I would with primes. Given the experiences I've read with the Sigma zooms, the AF may be much less reliable and accurate throughout the range. And you will surely need to have their lens dock to do the calibrating work -- adding more to the cost if you don't already have one.

Personally, I hope they have produced a real winner. I have their 35mm f/1.4 and it's my most used general purpose lenses.

Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: infared on October 25, 2013, 11:22:00 AM
I am not trashing the lens. In fact if the IQ is greatly better than the Canon version then I believe that I will buy the lens. 

I am pointing out, however, the big elephant in Sigma's room.  They have begun producing some very impressive lenses, and producing them quite rapidly. But their cameras are just so weird that they do not seem likely to gain nearly the market share on the bodies that it seems plausible they may gain gain on the great lenses.  Maybe they need to make a sensor deal with Sony like Nikon did, and produce a line of "straight" cameras if the Foveon thing never fully catches on.  Or make their own.  Maybe a non-bayer approach like Fuji is using.

Just as a point of order, this post has nothing to do with Sigma cameras. This is about their new lens.

As for the new lens I'd be more wary than I would with primes. Given the experiences I've read with the Sigma zooms, the AF may be much less reliable and accurate throughout the range. And you will surely need to have their lens dock to do the calibrating work -- adding more to the cost if you don't already have one.

Personally, I hope they have produced a real winner. I have their 35mm f/1.4 and it's my most used general purpose lenses.

Good advice about the zoom...although it seems that Sigma is really making a MUCH better effort these days.
The 35mm is SWEET~
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: infared on October 25, 2013, 11:26:54 AM
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?

The sigma has stabilization. They call it 'Optical Stabilizer' (OS) instead of 'Image Stabilizer' (IS).

Thanks LuCo....somehow (I read three different right-ups and missed that info!!!)....The write ups I have read have DG in the name...but not the OS?   THAT is important to include. I apologize for my oversight. (don't get old...everything gets confusing!!! LOL!)/
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: mrsfotografie on October 25, 2013, 11:35:29 AM
Meh...

So far, for me the Canon has the following advantages:

Weather sealing
Filter size
Lens corrections in DPP, which I use to process my photo's.
Weight and size.

All of these make it a great travel lens!

And I have no issues with image quality; it made me sell my 24-70 f/2.8 :)

EDIT:

Oh, and the Canon has the focus and zoom rings the correct way around (focus ring nearest the front element).
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: fox40phil on October 25, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
It's a shame that the Sigma hasn't weather sealing! :(  :'(
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on October 25, 2013, 02:31:20 PM
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<p><strong>Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS ready for preorder<br />

</strong>The Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG is scheduled to ship on November 4, 2013 according to B&H Photo. The new Art series lens from Sigma will be priced at $899. This is significantly less than the <a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Canon EF 24-105 f/4L IS</a> when purchased new. Although, you can shop around for easy “white box” deals that bring the lens below the Sigma. However, if the Sigma performs better, then the small additional cost may be worth it.</p>
<p><strong><a href=\"http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1009621-REG/sigma_635_101_24_105mm_f4_dg_os.html/bi/2466/kbid/3296\" target=\"_blank\">Preorder the Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS at B&H Photo</a></strong></p>
<p><em>thanks Alessio</em></p>
<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">c</span>r</strong></p>


Considering kitted 24-105 can be had at times for $550-600 and split kits for $600-650 and the 24-70 f/4 IS has at times sold for just $170 more it sure better be a good performer if it wants to sell in the Canon world. Nikon land it appears to have some very smooth sailing though.

Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on October 25, 2013, 02:33:51 PM
OK...this is funny...4 posts back on the rumor homepage is the canon 24-105mm alert for $639... That is quite a bit cheaper...plus the Canon has IS.  I am a little slow on the uptake sometimes...but the Sigma has no IS...correct?
I owned the Canon and it is a very decent Zoom lens ...especially at $639!...
I am A Sigma Fan...own the new 35mm....but I am wondering if this lens really best the IQ on the Canon "significantly" asit will have to to sell well, right?

A couple of things.

1) As mentioned previously, Sigma have their own equivalent of Canon's "IS".
2) The 24-105Ls that are selling for $639 are lenses that have been pulled from kits - they're not standalone lenses. Here is the standalone version of the lens priced at $1149 at B&H:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/397662-USA/Canon_0344B002AA_24_105mm_f_4L_IS_USM.html)
If you look at this page:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Zoom+Focal+Lengths_24-105mm&ci=274&N=4288584247+4261208183 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Zoom+Focal+Lengths_24-105mm&ci=274&N=4288584247+4261208183)
Then the Sigma lens is $250 cheaper.
3) If the MTF graphs are anything to by then yes, this lens will easily surpass the current Canon version.

Does anyone actually pay that $1140 type price for the 24-105L these days though??? I mean I've seen the newer, better 24-70 f/4 IS sell for almost $150 less than that! And paying twice as much as a split kit seems a bit excessive. That price is barely any less than the Tamron 24-70 VC too (and before you say yeah but the Tamron is a big bulky f/2.8 lens that might be too much for some, well.... I believe this f/4 Sigma is the same size and weight!)! I don't think that's a realistic price to point to for the 24-105L these days.

But yeah it should sell well in Nikonland and, if it does a lot better than it's MTF hint at, it might do OK in Canonland perhaps. But currently, if you time your buy, you can get a new 24-70 f/4 IS, which is wayyyy smaller and lighter, for $100-120 more than the Sigma's listed price (although it might drop on street quickly soon?).



Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: CarlTN on October 25, 2013, 05:07:16 PM
Ok so this Sigma does not have weather sealing, and the Canon 24-105 I just bought, does.  That's a relief.  I think I will stick with this Canon, but I do like Sigma lenses a lot.  It's a shame there is no 24-70 f/2 from Sigma, as there was rumored.  The "new price" for the Canon, at over $1000...is ridiculous though.  I bought a "used" white box unit from Ebay and am happy with it.  It was technically unused, or so it appears.  It works great as long as I have time to put it on the camera...

Maybe Sigma could make other lenses nobody makes, like a 16-35 f/2 (full frame), or a 90-160 f/.9-f/1.8...with 5 stops of "OS" !!  Or a full frame foveon sensored camera with Canon EF mount...and 18 bit ADC per channel...I don't ask for much do I?  haha. 
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: RGomezPhotos on October 25, 2013, 06:06:06 PM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Zv on October 25, 2013, 07:01:20 PM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: CarlTN on October 25, 2013, 07:30:53 PM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: RGomezPhotos on October 25, 2013, 07:59:08 PM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!

Well, it will be cheaper than the EF 24-105 at least.  Several hundred dollars is several hundred dollars. 

I find the EF-S 18-200 to be just as good if not better than the 24-105.  Unless you get the uber-expensive and enormous 28-300mm, the 24-105 is the best in Canon's class in the range for a FF lens.

But for crop, the 18-200 rocks.  On my 50D, the images are pretty good.  On a 7D, you can't tell between it and 'L' glass...
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: drjlo on October 25, 2013, 09:05:08 PM
$900?  Thanksgiving/Christmas sale season 2014 seems about right to purchase this Sigma :D
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on October 25, 2013, 10:41:31 PM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.

also gets compromised near 24mm, it's a mess on FF at the edges for finely detailed landscape stuff and also tosses lots of PF, even at f/8, on landscape stuff at 24mm under tricky conditions
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: CarlTN on October 26, 2013, 02:07:33 AM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.

also gets compromised near 24mm, it's a mess on FF at the edges for finely detailed landscape stuff and also tosses lots of PF, even at f/8, on landscape stuff at 24mm under tricky conditions

Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.  The CA is no worse, and possibly better than the one I rented a year ago.  It's not perfect, but for the price and zoom range, it's quite nice.  All other zooms that start at 24mm have a hefty amount of barrel distortion at 24mm, including both new and old Canon f/2.8's, the Tamron 2.8...the Sigma 2.8...and on and on.  The Tokina 16-28 f/2.8 has essentially zero distortion at 24mm.  My Sigma 24mm f/1.8 has like 1.7% barrel distortion, so it's a lot lower than the Canon 24-105 (at 24mm...but by 35mm there's zero distortion on the Canon 24-105). 

Will be interesting to see how well this new Sigma f/4 zoom compares.  One thing I do like, is the way the outer lens body looks on these "art" lenses.  They finally got an industrial stylist/designer that knew what they were doing!  Definitely artsy...
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Rienzphotoz on October 26, 2013, 03:57:42 AM
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing. But I do not see Sigma 24-105 as a "challenger" to Canon, because of its uncompetitive pricing ... but if the lens is really good it could give some headache to Nikon & Sony. Generally the quality of Sigma zoom lenses are not on par with Canon & Nikon zoom lenses, that has been my experience with having owned 6 Sigma zoom lenses and having used the new 17-70 f/2.8-f/4 lens. I still have 2 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses which are very good but not as good as Canon 100-400 L IS or the new 80-400 VR II ... but Sigma's advantage there was the pricing ... you can buy 3 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses for the price of 1 Nikon 80-400 VR II lens or 1 Sigma lens and have at least $500+ savings for the price of 1 Canon 100-400 L IS lens. But what I see here with this Sigma 24-105 OS is that there is no price advantage over the Canon equivalent.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: aznable on October 26, 2013, 04:30:29 AM
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing.

and recently the optic quality too
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: infared on October 26, 2013, 04:46:13 AM
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!

I agree with ZV....the price on this new Sigma is not going to drop to $650 anytime soon...sounds like it is very fairly priced in the $800 range.....I sold my Canon version and bought the 24-70mm f/2.8 II which is overpriced but great....IQ on it blows the 24-105mm away...but damn do I miss that extra reach...it is considerable!
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Rienzphotoz on October 26, 2013, 06:48:49 AM
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing.

and recently the optic quality too
True ... but the vast majority would have not bought those "quality" Sigma lenses if they were priced like the Canon and Nikon lenses. ;) ... hence Sigma's biggest strength is their pricing (except for this 24-105 OS)
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: dgatwood on October 26, 2013, 01:09:01 PM
Well, technically Canon could do an about face on policy tomorrow, stop honoring repairs on lenses not bought from authorized dealers (like Nikon), and you'd be screwed. Or, they could stop honoring warranties on items not purchased via authorized channels. That's unlikely, but, there is more than just ink that makes the difference. I wouldnt pay hundreds more for that difference. But, Amazon was just selling the authorized version for $699, so I'd go that route and pay the extra $60 no doubt. Especially for the risk you get a lens that is misaligned or has something DOA.

If something is misaligned or the lens is DOA, you should return it to the vendor.  Warranties are not for initial product failures.  They're to cover you after the store's return period.

You should never repair a brand new product.  That's tantamount to paying new prices for a refurbished item.  If you're going to get a refurbished item, you should pay refurbished prices.  If you pay for a new item, you should get a new item in working condition.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: dgatwood on October 26, 2013, 01:21:07 PM
Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.

Purple fringing.  It occurs in areas of high contrast with some lenses, particularly when you have something dark in front of a blue sky.  I've never noticed an objectionable amount of PF with this lens, personally, but opinions may vary.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on October 26, 2013, 02:37:45 PM
Well, technically Canon could do an about face on policy tomorrow, stop honoring repairs on lenses not bought from authorized dealers (like Nikon), and you'd be screwed. Or, they could stop honoring warranties on items not purchased via authorized channels. That's unlikely, but, there is more than just ink that makes the difference. I wouldnt pay hundreds more for that difference. But, Amazon was just selling the authorized version for $699, so I'd go that route and pay the extra $60 no doubt. Especially for the risk you get a lens that is misaligned or has something DOA.

If something is misaligned or the lens is DOA, you should return it to the vendor.  Warranties are not for initial product failures.  They're to cover you after the store's return period.

You should never repair a brand new product.  That's tantamount to paying new prices for a refurbished item.  If you're going to get a refurbished item, you should pay refurbished prices.  If you pay for a new item, you should get a new item in working condition.

+1

and for other types of stuff make that +100, the two times I relied on the manufacturer's warranty for initial problems instead of doing a store exchange man oh man oh man was I ever sorry, never again!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: LetTheRightLensIn on October 26, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.

Purple fringing.  It occurs in areas of high contrast with some lenses, particularly when you have something dark in front of a blue sky.  I've never noticed an objectionable amount of PF with this lens, personally, but opinions may vary.

fine branches up against clouds or a white sky and when the clouds and sky have to be exposed very brightly, the 24-105 can toss heaps of nasty PF all over; the 24-70 f/4 IS does that MUCH less and the 24-70 II is crazy resistant to that and more or less APO.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: clicstudio on October 27, 2013, 09:52:28 AM
The canon version is old technology.
I rented one for a week and had terrible results. Accurate Focusing was a big problem for me. Maybe a faulty lens, who knows. But enough to make me not even consider it.
I Own a 24-70 III which is Perfect, but I find it short sometimes. I am used to the range so going to a 70-200 is too much.
A 24-105 F2.8 would be amazing.  Maybe sigma
Will deliver someday.
For now, this one seems like a winner. The price is right and the lens actually rotates like a canon, not a Nikon, which was a problem for me in the past.
Sigma is doing their homework and they are impressing a lot of people.
Let's see how the reviews go...
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: vscd on October 27, 2013, 02:16:43 PM
>The canon version is old technology.

So is Leica ;)

>I Own a 24-70 III which is Perfect

You do? I guess this was a typo, wasn't it?

For my taste the 24-105 IS is too big for daily use... I often used the 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM, which nearly no one seems to remember anymore. The size and weight is stunning and the results are, let me say, good for the fast capture. With DXO-afterprocess the results are really quite good. So, the only thing I *MISS* is the weatherproof and maybe the IS, but the IS is just a feature for me.

The point is that recent SIGMA lensen, with quite a fantastic IQ, are lacking the weathersealed features... this is a shame. Maybe this sounds like a small missing feature, but in fact THIS IS SOMETHING I need on the Street. NOT just for rain, for dust too. I really hope the 24-105 will be sealed.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Radiating on October 27, 2013, 06:10:05 PM
I like this price.

Why? Because to me it indicates that this lens will have higher image quality than Canon's 24-105mm IS.

I LOVE my Canon 24-105mm IS, and I've tried to use better lenses with better IQ, but I still have that lens on my camera most of the time due to the convenience and the ideal focal range. If the Sigma is even marginally better than I will buy it instantly full price with no questions asked. :)
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Radiating on October 29, 2013, 02:38:42 PM
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing. But I do not see Sigma 24-105 as a "challenger" to Canon, because of its uncompetitive pricing ... but if the lens is really good it could give some headache to Nikon & Sony. Generally the quality of Sigma zoom lenses are not on par with Canon & Nikon zoom lenses, that has been my experience with having owned 6 Sigma zoom lenses and having used the new 17-70 f/2.8-f/4 lens. I still have 2 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses which are very good but not as good as Canon 100-400 L IS or the new 80-400 VR II ... but Sigma's advantage there was the pricing ... you can buy 3 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses for the price of 1 Nikon 80-400 VR II lens or 1 Sigma lens and have at least $500+ savings for the price of 1 Canon 100-400 L IS lens. But what I see here with this Sigma 24-105 OS is that there is no price advantage over the Canon equivalent.

You're living in the ancient past. Sigma's primary motivation now is image quality not price.

Sigma has been releasing lenses that blow their competitors out of the water in quality at around or slightly below their competitors prices:

If you have any doubts take a look at these real world samples:

Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 vs Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 @ f/2.8

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=398&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=398&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0)

There's no comparison, the Sigma is in an entirely different league of image quality. Their 35mm f/1.4 is likewise better:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=829&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=829&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

And their 85mm f/1.4 is both sharper than Canon's 85mm f/1.2 II, and has much less purple fringing (the f/1.2 II has so much you can't even correct it automatically, which is why I use the Sigma)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=756&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=397&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=756&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=397&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1)

Sigma makes a better lens that Canon does. Sometimes much better, this is the new Sigma.

I would be very surprised if the 24-105mm OS wasn't marginally better and I'd be very happy if it blew the Canon out of the water like they did with the f/1.8 zoom.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: brianleighty on October 29, 2013, 10:35:13 PM


You're living in the ancient past. Sigma's primary motivation now is image quality not price.

Sigma has been releasing lenses that blow their competitors out of the water in quality at around or slightly below their competitors prices:

If you have any doubts take a look at these real world samples:

Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 vs Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 @ f/2.8

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=398&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=398&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0)

There's no comparison, the Sigma is in an entirely different league of image quality. Their 35mm f/1.4 is likewise better:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=829&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=829&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

And their 85mm f/1.4 is both sharper than Canon's 85mm f/1.2 II, and has much less purple fringing (the f/1.2 II has so much you can't even correct it automatically, which is why I use the Sigma)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=756&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=397&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=756&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=397&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1)

Sigma makes a better lens that Canon does. Sometimes much better, this is the new Sigma.

I would be very surprised if the 24-105mm OS wasn't marginally better and I'd be very happy if it blew the Canon out of the water like they did with the f/1.8 zoom.

You sure about the 85mm 1.2? I've rented the 85 1.4 and it's a good lens but from what most say the 85 1.2 is still better. The main reason why it's a good deal is the faster AF and being half the price. I'm renting the 85 1.2 for a wedding this weekend so we'll see what I think of it then. The 85 1.4 is a little older than the 35 and 18-35 though so perhaps an indicator of the direction they were heading in. It'd be nice for them to release an "Art" version of it with some minor updates.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: vscd on November 01, 2013, 09:12:54 AM
I second that. The Sigma 85mm 1.4 is no match for the 85L, especially not for the bokeh (yes, there is more than sharpness, even if I think the Canon is sharper @f1.4).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/6627475291# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/6627475291#)

@Radiating:   I really like what Sigma is doing at the moment, but keep the feet at the ground!
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: brianleighty on November 01, 2013, 11:48:56 PM
I second that. The Sigma 85mm 1.4 is no match for the 85L, especially not for the bokeh (yes, there is more than sharpness, even if I think the Canon is sharper @f1.4).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/6627475291# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/63271580@N00/6627475291#)

@Radiating:   I really like what Sigma is doing at the moment, but keep the feet at the ground!

I got the 85 1.2 in. Man that things heavy! It's been a while since I shot with the Sigma but what I'm seeing just in test shots tells me this lens is better than the Sigma. How much better? I don't know but I'd definitely say better. I'll have a better idea after this weekend but I can see why people snob their nose at the sigma. But I can also say the Sigma isn't a bad lens. The Canon just has "that look" and I can see why if you've got the money it might be worth it over the Sigma depending on how you're using it and needs.
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: vscd on November 02, 2013, 03:01:43 AM
The 85mm 1.2 is a very special lense... maybe sometimes people don't understand the meaning of "fast lenses", this is no regard to the Autofocussystem ;)   The usual use is for portrait or fashionphotography, so the model is (normally) not running through the picture like a small child.

As I also work with older MF-cameras, like the Zenza Bronica ETRS... where everything is about manual focusing, I never complain about AF_Speed, anyway. Composing an image is something different from shooting action events. I would be angry if the AF-Speed of an EF 24-70 2.8L II wouldn't outperform other lenses, but not on this lense.

The only thing I have to admit is that not everyone is able or fancy to get such an expensive lense. I myself always dreamed of having one and it took me some time to get hold of it (I shoot for fun, not for money). So, I think the sigma is a really fair packet, but on the other side, there is one hell of a 85mm 1.8 from Canon. And if you don't need the 1/3 stop on 1.2, so why bothering about the 1/3 to the 1.8  ::)
Title: Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
Post by: Methodical on November 07, 2013, 09:40:26 AM
if I didn't already have a 105 I might consider this...  but I do...  and if I am going to upgrade it would probably be to the 24-70 mkii...  so this really doesn't do much for me other than maybe deflate the of of my  current 105.

This is what I did, sold the 24-105 and upgraded to 24-70 II.  Fortunately, the $1699 deal came around at the same time.  If you can do it, do it.

Al