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Gear Talk => EOS-M => Topic started by: DRR on November 04, 2013, 09:35:44 AM

Title: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: DRR on November 04, 2013, 09:35:44 AM
One of my few gripes with the EOS M has been ergonomics - I find it difficult to hold, as the "grip" they put on the front is inadequate. I thought they could have put a larger grip on the front, without increasing the Z-depth of the camera at all, similar to how Panasonic does it with the GX7. Once you mount a lens - any lens - onto the camera, the added depth becomes moot anyway.

Richard Franiec, who has designed camera grips in the past, has announced a grip for the EOS M. I ordered one - should be arriving late November. It was under $40 US. It looks like it will improve ergonomics somewhat with the standard EF-M mount lenses, and will greatly help ergonomics for those who use it with larger EF lenses as well.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kRdWuPKhut8/UmgveIzY-II/AAAAAAAALeM/lf4b8GpdSe4/s1152/AB2U1556.JPG)

I am not affiliated, I just ordered one. Hopefully someone else will find this useful as well. First saw this on digilloyd:

http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20131029_2-RichardFraniec-grip-for-EOSM.html (http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20131029_2-RichardFraniec-grip-for-EOSM.html)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Mellonhead on November 04, 2013, 11:47:37 AM
Do you know how it is attached?  Do you have to disassemble the camera body to install it?
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: curtisnull on November 04, 2013, 12:00:10 PM
It says it uses "very high bond transfer tape". So I guess it sticks on.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: neuroanatomist on November 04, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
It says it uses "very high bond transfer tape". So I guess it sticks on.

Yep - peel off the backing and press in place, and you're done.

Might get one for my EOS M...almost got his S95 grip, but then the S100 came out with a built-in grip that was decent (and yet, Canon dropped that feature from the S110/S120).
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: bainsybike on November 04, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Looks as though you need to take the Canon grip off first.  Anyone know if you do, and if you can put it back again if you don't like the new one?
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: dcm on November 04, 2013, 01:48:15 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Famateur on November 04, 2013, 02:51:17 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)

If they use VHB tape from 3M, it's pretty incredible stuff. I used some to attach an aluminum sidesaddle to the receiver of my shotgun (the bolts that came with it left it either too loose or pinching the receiver enough to reduce reliability of the semi-automatic cycling). After more than two years, exposed to extreme heat, extreme cold, lubricants and heavy use, it ain't comin' off. Doesn't even budge or flex. Love that stuff! Of course, I had to buy a roll (75', if I remember correctly), but I only needed about 6", so I'm always looking for a reason to use it. :)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: mackguyver on November 04, 2013, 03:09:37 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)

If they use VHB tape from 3M, it's pretty incredible stuff. I used some to attach an aluminum sidesaddle to the receiver of my shotgun (the bolts that came with it left it either too loose or pinching the receiver enough to reduce reliability of the semi-automatic cycling). After more than two years, exposed to extreme heat, extreme cold, lubricants and heavy use, it ain't comin' off. Doesn't even budge or flex. Love that stuff! Of course, I had to buy a roll (75', if I remember correctly), but I only needed about 6", so I'm always looking for a reason to use it. :)
Can you really take it off with dental floss?
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: DRR on November 04, 2013, 03:29:52 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)

If they use VHB tape from 3M, it's pretty incredible stuff. I used some to attach an aluminum sidesaddle to the receiver of my shotgun (the bolts that came with it left it either too loose or pinching the receiver enough to reduce reliability of the semi-automatic cycling). After more than two years, exposed to extreme heat, extreme cold, lubricants and heavy use, it ain't comin' off. Doesn't even budge or flex. Love that stuff! Of course, I had to buy a roll (75', if I remember correctly), but I only needed about 6", so I'm always looking for a reason to use it. :)
Can you really take it off with dental floss?

Yes, that's part of the process of taking badges off your car - dental floss or fishing line.

Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: mackguyver on November 04, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)

If they use VHB tape from 3M, it's pretty incredible stuff. I used some to attach an aluminum sidesaddle to the receiver of my shotgun (the bolts that came with it left it either too loose or pinching the receiver enough to reduce reliability of the semi-automatic cycling). After more than two years, exposed to extreme heat, extreme cold, lubricants and heavy use, it ain't comin' off. Doesn't even budge or flex. Love that stuff! Of course, I had to buy a roll (75', if I remember correctly), but I only needed about 6", so I'm always looking for a reason to use it. :)
Can you really take it off with dental floss?

Yes, that's part of the process of taking badges off your car - dental floss or fishing line.
I didn't realize that was the same stuff - I've done exactly that with car badges :)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: privatebydesign on November 04, 2013, 03:41:52 PM

Yes, that's part of the process of taking badges off your car - dental floss or fishing line.

I always used welding spool wire, mainly because it was laying around by the ton..........
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: noncho on November 04, 2013, 05:02:08 PM
I would rather check what what are the options for improvisation in my local hardware shop ;)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: bholliman on November 04, 2013, 05:11:40 PM
This looks like a great option.  The M can be pretty difficult to handle, especially with a larger EF lens attached.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: paul13walnut5 on November 04, 2013, 05:52:41 PM
Yay! I had asked him and had encouraged others to do the same.

Suppose I had better buy one then!
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: neuroanatomist on November 04, 2013, 06:00:57 PM
Looks as though you need to take the Canon grip off first.  Anyone know if you do, and if you can put it back again if you don't like the new one?

Anyone know the answer to this?
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: brad-man on November 04, 2013, 06:01:35 PM
I want the grip for my M to come labeled EF-M 35 f/2.x and EF-M 50 f/2.x as pancakes. I really don't need a larger grip.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Famateur on November 04, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
Special tape.  Put one on my s95 a few years back - its still there after lots of use.  Will have to look into this for my M.

http://www.kleptography.com/rf/ (http://www.kleptography.com/rf/)

If they use VHB tape from 3M, it's pretty incredible stuff. I used some to attach an aluminum sidesaddle to the receiver of my shotgun (the bolts that came with it left it either too loose or pinching the receiver enough to reduce reliability of the semi-automatic cycling). After more than two years, exposed to extreme heat, extreme cold, lubricants and heavy use, it ain't comin' off. Doesn't even budge or flex. Love that stuff! Of course, I had to buy a roll (75', if I remember correctly), but I only needed about 6", so I'm always looking for a reason to use it. :)
Can you really take it off with dental floss?

Yes, that's part of the process of taking badges off your car - dental floss or fishing line.

Good to know! I don't plan on taking that sidesaddle off any time soon, but now I know how if I need to.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: bainsybike on November 05, 2013, 08:05:42 AM
Looks as though you need to take the Canon grip off first.  Anyone know if you do, and if you can put it back again if you don't like the new one?

Anyone know the answer to this?

Update: I emailed this to Richard Franiec, and his response was "Yes to both questions!"

Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: neuroanatomist on November 05, 2013, 08:20:24 AM
Looks as though you need to take the Canon grip off first.  Anyone know if you do, and if you can put it back again if you don't like the new one?

Anyone know the answer to this?

Update: I emailed this to Richard Franiec, and his response was "Yes to both questions!"

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: drjlo on November 08, 2013, 07:18:59 PM
I want the grip for my M to come labeled EF-M 35 f/2.x and EF-M 50 f/2.x as pancakes.

x2

Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: PureAmateur on November 10, 2013, 08:34:42 AM
BTW, I like that you put a hot shoe cover on your camera.  I hate that Canon did not come with one as the other brand do.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: dppaskewitz on November 10, 2013, 11:04:47 AM
BTW, I like that you put a hot shoe cover on your camera.  I hate that Canon did not come with one as the other brand do.

I still have one from my Ftb.  Think it will work on my M???
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Rienzphotoz on November 10, 2013, 11:37:25 AM
One of my few gripes with the EOS M has been ergonomics - I find it difficult to hold, as the "grip" they put on the front is inadequate. I thought they could have put a larger grip on the front, without increasing the Z-depth of the camera at all, similar to how Panasonic does it with the GX7. Once you mount a lens - any lens - onto the camera, the added depth becomes moot anyway.

Richard Franiec, who has designed camera grips in the past, has announced a grip for the EOS M. I ordered one - should be arriving late November. It was under $40 US. It looks like it will improve ergonomics somewhat with the standard EF-M mount lenses, and will greatly help ergonomics for those who use it with larger EF lenses as well.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kRdWuPKhut8/UmgveIzY-II/AAAAAAAALeM/lf4b8GpdSe4/s1152/AB2U1556.JPG)

I am not affiliated, I just ordered one. Hopefully someone else will find this useful as well. First saw this on digilloyd:

http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20131029_2-RichardFraniec-grip-for-EOSM.html (http://diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20131029_2-RichardFraniec-grip-for-EOSM.html)
Interesting ... thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: DRR on November 18, 2013, 09:41:30 AM

Got an email from Richard - my grip has shipped, I will try to post a review when I get it.

Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: BL on December 03, 2013, 03:40:08 AM
DRR, what's the word on that grip?  is it worth the $40?
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 09, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
Dear Friends.
Another option for EOS-M, Grip( Fotodiox Pro, All Metal Black Camera Hand Grip) = $ 50 US Dollars, Which I already order.
Enjoy
Surapon

http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Camera-Mirrorless-Digital-Battery/dp/B00GXLWAZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386524056&sr=8-1&keywords=Fotodiox+Pro%2C+All+Metal+Black+Camera+Hand+Grip+for+Canon+EOS+M+%28EF-M%29+Mirrorless+Digital+Camera+with+Battery+Access (http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Camera-Mirrorless-Digital-Battery/dp/B00GXLWAZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1386524056&sr=8-1&keywords=Fotodiox+Pro%2C+All+Metal+Black+Camera+Hand+Grip+for+Canon+EOS+M+%28EF-M%29+Mirrorless+Digital+Camera+with+Battery+Access)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: BL on December 10, 2013, 02:14:13 PM
looks good, but a shame its so bulky.

would have made so much sense to build in arca swiss compatibility, so one wouldn't have to mount a plate off center, adding yet even more bulk.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 10, 2013, 02:34:02 PM
looks good, but a shame its so bulky.

would have made so much sense to build in arca swiss compatibility, so one wouldn't have to mount a plate off center, adding yet even more bulk.

Yes, Dear Mr. BL
I am agree with you, So Bulky, But It might Fit and Balance to our  Big " L " Lens, and I will report back after I get this one= It Fit to my big hands or not ???
Thanks
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: BL on December 11, 2013, 01:23:00 PM
on the other hand, you've got a good point.  the bulk would make it easier to handle with EF/EFS lenses.  when i am choosing the M over the 5D, the challenge is carrying as little or as small and light as possible.

lets us know how it goes!
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: sama on December 14, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
I used one of this Universal L bracket for mounting my DSLR on a tripod.

I purchased my M today and tried the L plate on it. It is not as good as any of the other grips posed in this thread. However, I find it useable. It provides a grip on the left side whilst I can spare my right hand (fingers) controlling the shutter/buttons etc. It is AcraSwiss standard compatible so it can be mounted on a tripod to switch between vertical and horizontal orientations easily.

Cons : you have to remove the L bracket to reach the battery/SD card compartment opening.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 14, 2013, 09:38:17 PM
I used one of this Universal L bracket for mounting my DSLR on a tripod.

I purchased my M today and tried the L plate on it. It is not as good as any of the other grips posed in this thread. However, I find it useable. It provides a grip on the left side whilst I can spare my right hand (fingers) controlling the shutter/buttons etc. It is AcraSwiss standard compatible so it can be mounted on a tripod to switch between vertical and horizontal orientations easily.

Cons : you have to remove the L bracket to reach the battery/SD card compartment opening.




Dear Sama.
Yes, Another Great Idea, to use the thing that you already have, If you trun around to  let the L-Leg at the Button Shutter Side, It might add the thickness of the Hand Grip during Press the Shutter, Plus your left hand  will hold  under the big lens any way.----Thanks, I will try with my L bracket too, and report back to you.
Have a great night.
Surapon

PS---Sorry, My old KIRK, L-Bracket is too long for this Tiny EOS-M.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: the lizard of oz on December 14, 2013, 10:18:49 PM
Bought one last week. Fits well, only complaint is that it could be slightly bigger but then it would lose its sleek unobtrusive look. Much better than the old grip though which is easy to remove. Just slip a fingernail under it and it peels off easily, not sure how you would put it back on, probably need to get some of that same tape.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on December 15, 2013, 12:27:51 AM
Interesting.  Buy a small camera and then make it larger :)
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 15, 2013, 08:55:23 AM
Interesting.  Buy a small camera and then make it larger :)

Ha, Ha, Ha---Dear Mt Spokane.
You right on the Target--"Buy a small camera and then make it larger "--That is my original Idea too, When I go some where, just want to Point and Shoot, But When I start to Use with EF Lenses, The Tiny Body  Idea is gone, I have to spend more money to make bigger as big as 1DS. , and use as " The Transformers, in the Movie ".
Yes, I get the Illness---I forget the Name of the illness that CR. members give to us " _ _ _ ", the illness that make us spend more and more money to buy the useless Photography equipment.
Have a great Sunday, Sir.
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: sama on December 15, 2013, 04:43:09 PM
What about this one ?  My cup of "M"....

DIY during a cold day with snow everywhere in Toronto.....

A carbon fiber look handle grip and a hand sewn nylon hand strap with hardware from original neck strap - made within an hour. Everything for less than a dollar.

Just some small ideas for fun. Don't be serious.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 15, 2013, 09:08:26 PM
What about this one ?  My cup of "M"....

DIY during a cold day with snow everywhere in Toronto.....

A carbon fiber look handle grip and a hand sewn nylon hand strap with hardware from original neck strap - made within an hour. Everything for less than a dollar.

Just some small ideas for fun. Don't be serious.

Dear Sama.
Ha, Ha, Ha---Great IDEA, I love your great invention " Cup of Sama"---Great for Red sweet wine for cold day lie this too.---Drink and shoot. How can you put the screw connect from handle to the M's body?
Thanks.
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 15, 2013, 09:46:14 PM
OK, I just find 2 of my old equipment and can use with this EOS-M
Enjoy
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: sama on December 15, 2013, 11:48:10 PM
What about this one ?  My cup of "M"....

DIY during a cold day with snow everywhere in Toronto.....

A carbon fiber look handle grip and a hand sewn nylon hand strap with hardware from original neck strap - made within an hour. Everything for less than a dollar.

Just some small ideas for fun. Don't be serious.



Dear Sama.
Ha, Ha, Ha---Great IDEA, I love your great invention " Cup of Sama"---Great for Red sweet wine for cold day lie this too.---Drink and shoot. How can you put the screw connect from handle to the M's body?
Thanks.
Surapon


My dear Surapon Sir,

Love to see (hear) your Ha Ha Ha...

I used a leftover 1/4" 20 long screw cut to length , a dried up marker, a nut and some carbon fiber vinyl to create the handle grip. Pull out the felt tip and ink stuff inside the marker, drilled a hole at the base of the marker and everything else is pretty straight-forward. It's surprisingly sturdy for this tiny and lightweight camera.
Cheers.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: Rienzphotoz on December 16, 2013, 07:50:03 AM
What about this one ?  My cup of "M"....

DIY during a cold day with snow everywhere in Toronto.....

A carbon fiber look handle grip and a hand sewn nylon hand strap with hardware from original neck strap - made within an hour. Everything for less than a dollar.

Just some small ideas for fun. Don't be serious.



Dear Sama.
Ha, Ha, Ha---Great IDEA, I love your great invention " Cup of Sama"---Great for Red sweet wine for cold day lie this too.---Drink and shoot. How can you put the screw connect from handle to the M's body?
Thanks.
Surapon


My dear Surapon Sir,

Love to see (hear) your Ha Ha Ha...

I used a leftover 1/4" 20 long screw cut to length , a dried up marker, a nut and some carbon fiber vinyl to create the handle grip. Pull out the felt tip and ink stuff inside the marker, drilled a hole at the base of the marker and everything else is pretty straight-forward. It's surprisingly sturdy for this tiny and lightweight camera.
Cheers.
Very innovative ... Great job Sama, looks good.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: dstppy on December 16, 2013, 09:32:44 AM
Oh come on! I clicked for an absurdly large-as-the-camera battery grip, but this is actually a halfway decent idea!

Darn you internet!

 ;D
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 16, 2013, 10:55:43 AM
What about this one ?  My cup of "M"....

DIY during a cold day with snow everywhere in Toronto.....

A carbon fiber look handle grip and a hand sewn nylon hand strap with hardware from original neck strap - made within an hour. Everything for less than a dollar.

Just some small ideas for fun. Don't be serious.



Dear Sama.
Ha, Ha, Ha---Great IDEA, I love your great invention " Cup of Sama"---Great for Red sweet wine for cold day lie this too.---Drink and shoot. How can you put the screw connect from handle to the M's body?
Thanks.
Surapon


My dear Surapon Sir,

Love to see (hear) your Ha Ha Ha...

I used a leftover 1/4" 20 long screw cut to length , a dried up marker, a nut and some carbon fiber vinyl to create the handle grip. Pull out the felt tip and ink stuff inside the marker, drilled a hole at the base of the marker and everything else is pretty straight-forward. It's surprisingly sturdy for this tiny and lightweight camera.
Cheers.

Thanks, Dear sama.
That is a innovative  Idea for the person like me, who love DIY.
Thanks.
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on December 16, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from:  link=topic=17891.msg347782#msg347782 date=1387204364
Oh come on! I clicked for an absurdly large-as-the-camera battery grip, but this is actually a halfway decent idea!

Darn you internet!

 ;D


Ha, Ha, Ha---Dear dstppy---Ha, Ha, Ha-----No comment from me.
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: DRR on February 16, 2014, 01:08:49 PM

So I finally got around to installing the Richard Freniac grip (see original post in thread.) Sorry it has been so long but I wanted to update the thread in case someone was looking into the grip.

Grip works great, installed easily. Took a little force to dislodge the OEM plastic grip. You can see a little scratch where my knife scratched the metal, but it was underneath the grip.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8229.jpg)

I "dry fitted" the new grip. The blue tape you see was put there to mark the position of the new grip so that I could more easily align the holes when I put the new grip on.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8230.jpg)

This is the grip installed, with my heaviest lens, a 24-70L MkI.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8233.jpg)

I don't normally plan on carrying my heavy L zooms with the EOS M but I thought I'd try it out with a lens that had some weight. The grip works great for my needs. Normally I use my EOS M with the 22mm or the EF adapter with one or two light zooms - usually the 40mm pancake and sometimes either my 35/2 or 85/1.8. In these situations, the grip adds just enough extra area to hold the camera, which makes it feel much more stable.

Just playing with the larger zooms I have, I find that you hold it by the lens anyway, so the extra grip is largely negated, because you would never hold the camera without supporting the lens. However, with smaller primes, which is how I usually shoot my M, it works great.

If anyone has any additional questions please ask me and I'll try to help answer!

Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: surapon on February 17, 2014, 12:39:02 PM

So I finally got around to installing the Richard Freniac grip (see original post in thread.) Sorry it has been so long but I wanted to update the thread in case someone was looking into the grip.

Grip works great, installed easily. Took a little force to dislodge the OEM plastic grip. You can see a little scratch where my knife scratched the metal, but it was underneath the grip.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8229.jpg)

I "dry fitted" the new grip. The blue tape you see was put there to mark the position of the new grip so that I could more easily align the holes when I put the new grip on.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8230.jpg)

This is the grip installed, with my heaviest lens, a 24-70L MkI.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2598894/mgrip/IMG_8233.jpg)

I don't normally plan on carrying my heavy L zooms with the EOS M but I thought I'd try it out with a lens that had some weight. The grip works great for my needs. Normally I use my EOS M with the 22mm or the EF adapter with one or two light zooms - usually the 40mm pancake and sometimes either my 35/2 or 85/1.8. In these situations, the grip adds just enough extra area to hold the camera, which makes it feel much more stable.

Just playing with the larger zooms I have, I find that you hold it by the lens anyway, so the extra grip is largely negated, because you would never hold the camera without supporting the lens. However, with smaller primes, which is how I usually shoot my M, it works great.

If anyone has any additional questions please ask me and I'll try to help answer!

Wow, Thanksssss, Dear Friend DRR.
Thanks for another option of EOS-M Grip.
Surapon
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: East Wind Photography on February 17, 2014, 01:42:15 PM
This thread is more like how to turn your M into a DSLR type body!

LOL

I think i will just stop with my fotodiox bracket.  I am finding i mostly remove it anyway as this is not why i bought the M in the first place....the grips are hard on the body parts when inserted into the pocket.
Title: Re: Grip available for EOS M
Post by: DRR on February 17, 2014, 02:44:01 PM
As you can tell, the Franiec grip that I have is much smaller than the Fotodix grip/bracket. The "additional bulk" of the Franiec grip does not increase the depth of the camera at all, even if you have the smallest lens possible mounted on it. So I don't find it any less pocketable or packable. The Fotodix grip seems to increase the dimensions in 2 if not 3 directions, and makes it essentially non-pocketable. However the Fotodix grip is easily removeable if you so choose.