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Title: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: tomscott on August 09, 2017, 10:11:39 AM
Hi Guys,

Thought I would start this topic off as I went out on the 8th of August to shoot the MPT £350m trafford tram development.

Apologies at the beginning that the shoot is not overly exciting. I have a wedding on Friday, I will post some updated thoughts afterward.

Little bit of background. Had my 5DMKIII stolen and was looking for a new camera anyway, I think the 5DMKIV is still a little expensive and didn't want to buy another 5 year old 5DMKIII as I thought it was feeling its age before it got stolen.

I am a wedding event and motorsport photographer primarily but shoot landscape also for companies like United utilities etc on the other hand I travel a lot and my other passion is wildlife and wanted something that could do all but keep in budget. The F8 AF looks great too but yet to test.

I had a lot of things stolen when my house was broken into so replacing other items had taken up quite a lot of my available collateral. (insurance companies are the worst)

The 6DMKII isnt really the ideal camera for me with only one memory card slot, lack of AF selection joystick and AF modes and was an impulse purchase. I wanted something that I can get my work done but not break the bank. This does that, the 5DMKIV is on another level and fantastic but like the 6D isnt 5 years better. I dont think its worth an extra £1000 over this and the 5DMKIII.

What the 6DMKII does offer is all the latest goodies that make the day to day use of the camera a joy - WIFI, tilt screen, bluetooth, viewfinder II, GPS etc. Many of these things are overlooked with how useful they are and my 5DMKIII felt archaic compared to my 7DMKII when I got it 2 years ago and in this respect and the 6DMKII advances even more.

Before I get to the first real paid shoot with the camera I took the camera out on the 7th August (the day I got it) and shot a few images of sunset down the Manchester Canal. I just let the camera do its thing, AV auto ISO. 24-105mm F4 L see what it could do.

Here are a few images 3200, 6400 and 12800 iso

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4380/36461817135_4a8bf861d6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1kVz)Manchester Canal 6D MKII Test Images (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1kVz) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36064787550_484964464c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WWVsRU)Manchester Canal 6D MKII Test Images (https://flic.kr/p/WWVsRU) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4389/36461816245_dc7482aa05_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1kEe)Manchester Canal 6D MKII Test Images (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1kEe) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

All of these are full resolution so if you click on the image and have a look on Flickr you can zoom to 100% (apologies for the differing apertures I was playing rather than going out to shoot comparisons and the sunset was disappearing quickly.)

I think these results are pretty damn good. The high ISO is excellent and you can see that DR does suffer a little as you get this high to 12800. I feel its is far superior to the 5DMKIII. The difference is the noise pattern is so much nicer and I have only added 5 on the noise selection slider. It responds to noise reduction in a way I have never experienced in a Canon camera.

On another note the camera exposes to the right compared to the 7DMKII 5DMKIII protects the highlights more than the shadows. Highlight recovery isnt as good as the 5DMKIII I generally shot the 5DMKIII the opposite way to most people, I would shoot to protect the shadows rather than the highlights as I found the highlight recovery excellent but the shadow recovery not so... Purple muddy banding in lifted shadow areas and horrible colour noise that took a lot of PP to sort.

The 6DMKII on the other hand the shadows are easy to recover but it does tend to bring more noise, on the positive side there is non of the above and noise reduction really does a fantastic job, a very natural noise pattern.

IMO this sensor feels very similar to the 5DMKIII without the downsides. It does work differently and you have to shoot and PP differently. My MKIII profiles did not do well with the 6DMKII so there is a little bit of a learning curve to get the best out of the sensor with PP.

Once you start working in a slightly different way I think the results are really excellent.

My main complaint with the MKIII was banding and the purple muddy casts. Not really the DR, more the quality of the shadow areas and the 6DMKII has improved here dramatically.

Here are a couple more images

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36461817895_9b923b90d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1m9F)Manchester Canal 6D MKII Test Images (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1m9F) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

This image is at ISO 400 and noise has crept into the bottom right but more than usable.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4353/36064784960_7ca1eccddf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WWVs6f)Manchester Canal 6D MKII Test Images (https://flic.kr/p/WWVs6f) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

Again well handled, there is a lot of range there and the image noise is pleasing.


Onto the first proper shoot.

One of my clients is Globus ltd who are global market leaders in PPE producing gloves, glasses, chemical suits, masks and ear defenders with numerous sub brand companies (alpha solway, riley, skytec, showa.)

They recently won a large contract for the £350m Trafford Tram development in Manchester. This development basically extends the tram line past Manchester United all the way down to the Trafford centre and is a huge undertaking.

You can learn more about it here

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/mpt-wins-350m-contract-to-build-metrolinks-trafford-park-extension

I was asked by Globus to photograph the products in situ with workers for a case study to promote the Riley Eyewear and Showa glove brands. Focusing on the Riley Stream and Sisini revo.

http://www.riley-eyewear.com/safety-glasses/stream

http://www.riley-eyewear.com/safety-glasses/sisini

I took the 6DMKII along and found myself using it primarily. Couple of observations...

- Very sharp images - this camera makes my lenses feel super sharp 70-200mm L F2.8 MKII and 24-70mm L MKI F2.8. Really impressed, images really pop compared to the 5DMKIII and the 7DMKII where they feel softer.

- AF system is a bit hit and miss similar to the 7DMKII. I found that when it hit it really hit but I had some images where nothing in the frame was in focus then it would hit, strange. I have this issue with the 7DMKII and 70D and seems this has the same issue. It wasn't a huge amount but I would say 5% suffered. This is a well documented issue with the 7DMKII 70 and 80D and continues with the 6DMKII. Not that big of a deal.

- AF point spread - the points are too tight for portraiture imo. The 5DMKIII has a better wider spread. I also never had much issue with the 5DMKIII missing like the 7DMKII and the 70D. The 6DMKII seems to be somewhere in the middle.

- Mushy AF selector. I am familiar with this with the 70D. It is bigger and has improved feel on the 6DMKII but its poor IMO. It is not accurate in critical situations. Really dislike it. Thankfully you can use the top and middle rotating dials to change AF point. Takes a bit of getting used to but is much more accurate. The AF joystick is by far the best option and would make the difference between being a back up or primary camera. Just much faster with the joystick.

- Exposure and colour are excellent- classic canon and a joy to view afterward.

- Size and weight - grip is very comfortable probably the most comfortable camera I have used from Canon. Much improved especially the grip. I found that the camera felt a little front heavy with my 24-105 and 24-70 in comparison to the 5DMKIII but the weight saving overall was pleasing when shooting for long periods of time.

- I had no issue with the one card slot never had a card fail in the 15 years ive been working as a pro.

Here are some images

whole album here
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2csqnW

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4373/35626655614_fb5c497824_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WhcVv1)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/WhcVv1) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4338/36064856660_2a2b1beeca_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WWVPps)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/WWVPps) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

This image the camera evaluated for the sky and was about 1.5 stops under was a mistake on my part but has lifted fine, it is a little noisy under the helmet but you would never know in print so I was pleased with what I could lift.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4367/36293603302_27ab1eaf93_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9cP5)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9cP5) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/36293606292_a15ffc66bc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9dGC)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9dGC) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/36293607002_c3be179306_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9dUS)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9dUS) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4404/36293609042_172df3007e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9ew3)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9ew3) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4358/36064855310_3b8654a96e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WWVP1b)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/WWVP1b) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4410/36293600412_e01c8c08b7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9bXf)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xi9bXf) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4419/36064853500_b5be99c263_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WWVNsY)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/WWVNsY) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4430/36324670641_fe62b6cd28_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XkTr3R)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/XkTr3R) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/36461862875_73474bebd3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1zwc)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1zwc) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4335/36324667741_0fe2ddec7d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XkTqbR)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/XkTqbR) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4386/36324665311_60c50fb9c3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XkTpsX)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/XkTpsX) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/36461861515_8186fc2f27_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1z7K)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/Xy1z7K) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4375/36416093676_47f7c2062e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XtXZW5)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/XtXZW5) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4360/35626660814_1e8ea35650_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WhcX3E)MPT Trafford Tram development -  Globus Group product Riley Showa Photoshoot (https://flic.kr/p/WhcX3E) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

Summary

In practical terms it does everything I need. Expose correctly and the images look excellent and there is a lot of scope to PP.

I paid £1489 for the camera which is why I bought it. Second hand MKIIIs are currently £1400-1800 in the UK with under 30k shutter actuation pre owned. 5DMKIV anywhere from £2500-3000.

Why did I buy it?

I have been working more and more in the studio shooting the above PPE products. IQ doesn't really make much difference with controlled light but the Tilt screen is a god send.

It was cheap and the only aspect I feel dual card slots is a benefit are weddings. It is coming to the end of the season with only 4-5 left to do this year as its only one part of my business tend to limit myself because of time constraints and my love for travel.

I intend to keep the camera and buy a 5DMKIV to start next season that way I can use the 6D for travel and use it as a secondary at the weddings to replace my 7DMKII. Possibly sell the 7DMKII.

I feel this has 90% of the MKIIIs features with the issues of the sensor solved all the modern additions that make the 6DMKII a joy to use day to day. The viewfinder II is such a great addition for me, where I can see all my settings all the time and GPS for travel is excellent.

One other feature that hasn't had much exposure that saves your ass in speedy situations is the ISO linked focal length setting. It sets auto ISO to a shutter speed equal to the focal length. Fantastic when situations change quickly like they do at weddings or if you quickly change lenses and action starts.

This is excellent value for a camera under £1500, I cant complain at all. It should not be a £2000 camera just like the MKIV shouldn't have been a £3500 launch figure.

Very happy with the camera so far. AF is good not great but the 5DMKIII was excellent and this is better just not 5 years better. IQ is good overall and has more than I need in 90% of situations. The sharpness is incredible, low light performance which I use it most 640-6400 - shooting weddings Motorsport and events is in a different league AF performance in low light is also really impressive too.

Similar to the 5DMKII to III the AF is the difference between getting shots and not. Same here with the 6D if you shoot events and weddings focus recompose is not accurate enough with shallow DOF, although the spread is smaller than the 5DMKIII you have more sensitive points where you need them compared to the 6D.

At the end of the day the 6DMKII is what it is. I wasnt blown away with it on paper but in actual use it is excellent and does what you need. Ok the competition has better DR, I never push that far its very rare and it might be one shot that I got wrong where I may need to. 1.5-2 is as far as I go and this has more than enough for that range.

It is not revolutionary and in a few situations isnt as good on paper. What I want to emphasize is the files are easy to work on and you can get amazing results because it PPs so well. Ok it doesn't have 5 stops but in all the images above I haven't pushed more than 1.5 stops even in the image I got wrong and very very rarely do.

If your a 5DMKIII owner the 6D would be an ideal secondary camera with more modern features. I dont think I would replace it. I would have a MKIV over this all day it really is the no compromise camera in the current canon lineup. A 5DMKIII and a 5DMKIV is a wicked combo for all pros but the 6DMKII is better to travel and walk around with.

If your a 6D owner and shoot more than landscape I think its more than a worthwhile upgrade the AF system will dramatically increase your keepers in fast moving situations and aid with many other situations. 6Ds are still like £1000 preowned too so for an extra £500 new your getting a lot of camera.

If you would like to view some RAW images let me know.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: candyman on August 09, 2017, 10:27:07 AM
Thank you Tom for sharing your experience so extensively. I have similar experience. I use a 5D MK III as well. I can confirm that the 6D MKII sensor has better performance with less /little banding. Files can be treated so well in PP. The AF is very good but for me the AF on the 5D MK III performs better. Though the 27 points f/8 is a great added feature on the 6D MKII. I need to check that out. I have no regrets of my upgrade.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 09, 2017, 11:33:33 AM
Thank you Tom for sharing your experience so extensively. I have similar experience. I use a 5D MK III as well. I can confirm that the 6D MKII sensor has better performance with less /little banding. Files can be treated so well in PP. The AF is very good but for me the AF on the 5D MK III performs better. Though the 27 points f/8 is a great added feature on the 6D MKII. I need to check that out. I have no regrets of my upgrade.

Thanks Candyman. I have been reading your positive comments and completely agree.

Looking forward to trying out the multiple F8 focus! Will give it a go tonight.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 09, 2017, 11:35:01 AM
Useful and interesting and down to earth. :)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: hbr on August 09, 2017, 11:44:38 AM
Thanks Tom for all the photos and for sharing your experiences with us. It seems to me that all the armchair quarterbacks are falling all over themselves to tell us how bad this camera is, but those of us that actually own it are enjoying the heck out of it and have no regrets that we purchased it.

Brian
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Larsskv on August 09, 2017, 12:09:20 PM
Great feedback on the 6DII. Thank you! Real world experiences such as yours are much more useful than spec comparisons, and also more useful than many "objective" reviews, reviews that gets lost in comparisons and loosing sight of real world needs and user experience.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 09, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
Thanks Tom for all the photos and for sharing your experiences with us. It seems to me that all the armchair quarterbacks are falling all over themselves to tell us how bad this camera is, but those of us that actually own it are enjoying the heck out of it and have no regrets that we purchased it.

Brian

I was going to buy this hammer but I read that it's a gram too heavy and the handle is slightly imbalanced and it feels kind of plasticy so I gave up on the idea.  Has anyone else read the specs on it and can advise me? I simply don't know what to do!  ;)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: SecureGSM on August 09, 2017, 12:48:46 PM
great post, Tom. Thank you.

It looks like the street price of 6D II will be at $/£ 1,500.00 level sooner than I expected. It is a great camera for the price though. That said, I expect to see you stepping up to 5D IV body sooner rather than later  :D

on unrelated note: do you own the ColorChecker Card? If so, could you please do me a favour and take 3 shots of the card in AV mode on tripod for stability, at 90 degree angle to the card and identical framing, at ISO 100, constant aperture around F8 to minimise vignetting and resulting images exposed to: -3 stops, 0 stop, +3 stops. I would need RAW files, please.
I would like to run an analysis of the DR rage of 6D II at ISO 100.





... I paid £1489 for the camera which is why I bought it. Second hand MKIIIs are currently £1400-1800 in the UK with under 30k shutter actuation pre owned. 5DMKIV anywhere from £2500-3000 ...

... If you would like to view some RAW images let me know ...
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: jeffa4444 on August 09, 2017, 02:01:07 PM
I'm jealous that you only paid £ 1,489 as I paid £ 1,999.00! (are you excluding VAT as your a business?)

Like you and Ive posted elsewhere I find the camera to be no where near as bad as "professional reviewers" are saying and I make my living from renting equipment all the way up to very serious motion picture tools. I found in the limited shots Ive taken so far that pulled shadows appeared cleaner from noise at 400iso than 100iso and that surprised me. My old presets in LR for the 6D no longer work which is understandable and applying sharpening to raw images is much less with better results. My bug bear with the 6D was low level banding in large grey sky or blue sky areas or in lifting shadows in say beige walls of a room so far against pretty grey skies on Dartmoor this past weekend Ive not seen any or in lifting deep shadows in undergrowth on the Dart river.
Its early days but the flippy touch screen was great on low level tripod shots on long exposures on the river so much easier to adjust framing. I am going to try it for a model shoot I have this coming weekend although primarily I will be using the 5DS however I have used the 6D and recomposed with a fairly high success rate so I don't expect the 6D MKII to be too different. 
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: snappy604 on August 09, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
thanks, this and a few other posts with images have me back on the fence :) though I am rocking my 80D, hoping for the richness of full frame and even better low light performance..
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Don Haines on August 09, 2017, 05:46:31 PM
I have been playing around with high ISO on the 6D2...... it is freakin amazing! Low ISO, works great too!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Cthulhu on August 09, 2017, 06:28:29 PM


- AF system is a bit hit and miss similar to the 7DMKII. I found that when it hit it really hit but I had some images where nothing in the frame was in focus then it would hit, strange. I have this issue with the 7DMKII and 70D and seems this has the same issue. It wasn't a huge amount but I would say 5% suffered. This is a well documented issue with the 7DMKII 70 and 80D and continues with the 6DMKII. Not that big of a deal.



I believe this is an issue with all DPAF cameras
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: hbr on August 09, 2017, 06:29:57 PM
I have been playing around with high ISO on the 6D2...... it is freakin amazing! Low ISO, works great too!
Hi Don, it is good to hear from you again after you posted those iso comparison shots. I wondered what happened to you.

But don't forget that the DR is terrible! :)
Canon is doomed! :)

Brian

PS any regrets that you ordered it? I surely don't have any regrets.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Graphic.Artifacts on August 09, 2017, 08:23:20 PM
Thank you for putting all of this together. Nice images. Looks like a solid paying gig.

I'm is a similar position regarding my old 5D3. Smash and grab out of my car along with a bag of EF primes. Not fun. I feel for you. My insurance company was a good sport about it though and paid up pretty quick. I had a rider for all of my gear though so they really had to. I spent the settlement on a 1DX2 as I didn't see any point in getting another 5D3 and the 5D4 wasn't out yet. A conspicuous brick of a camera but really outstanding in every other regard.

Starting to feel like I have a pretty good sense of the IQ on the 6D2. At least for a camera I've never even held in my hands. AF is still a bit of a wildcard for me though. That rocker looks a bit sketchy relative to a joystick. It does support BBF though as far as I can tell which helps a lot if you have to recompose. Sounds a lot like my 5D2 now that I think about it. Have read a few folks saying it's better to use the dials so that's good to know.

I do a lot of hand held low light street and venue work and I have an extended international trip coming up and need a lightweight body. The 5D3 was OK in low light in that it was accurate but slow. Hate to ask, but if you get the chance could you give us some feed back on focusing and shooting in low available light. No hurry, I'm not doing anything right away. Seems like the high ISO image quality is going to be pretty good but if I can't get accurate focus wide open that doesn't do me much good.

If the AF is workable I'll probably let the dust settle and then pick one up to use as a light weight inconspicuous body for street, travel and events. It seems like it has just the right feature set for those. Wildlife maybe not so much. Thanks again.

Maybe Canon will come out with a 5.5D for those of use that can live without the fancy features but want top notch IQ and AF.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Gnocchi on August 09, 2017, 09:00:13 PM
Thanks for your Honest Review, nice job.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: dak723 on August 09, 2017, 09:17:22 PM
Thanks Tom (and others, too) for your actual use reviews of the 6D II.  As seems to be the case with every Canon release, the early pre-release reviews are negative and the nay-sayers, whiners, and DRones come out full force with all their ammunition to bad mouth Canon and ridicule those that like and enjoy shooting Canon.  Then real photographers actually use the camera and find it is better in practically every way than the early reviewers thought.

Although I am going to be passing on this release, it is good to hear that the camera - in real world usage - is giving you really good results.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 09, 2017, 10:05:03 PM
dak723, isn't it a pain we have to go through that for every new camera.  I'm interested, so I follow the threads until I can't bear it and unnotify.  Then I check after a few days to see if sanity is returning and repeat.  Seems we live in an "I/me" world where Canon is expected to cater to every individual.  On the other hand, maybe I'm just too old to remember my own immature behaviors! ;D

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Talys on August 09, 2017, 10:43:22 PM
That rocker looks a bit sketchy relative to a joystick.

I'm not a fan of the joystick, but at the end of the day, I don't use the rocker anymore, either.  Can't speak for others, but the touchscreen controls are so intuitive and well organized that I use it for all the Q menus and to pinch/zoom magnify.

The back dial is solid, like every Canon with one, and is a staple for exposure control.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: stevelee on August 09, 2017, 10:46:55 PM
dak723, isn't it a pain we have to go through that for every new camera.  I'm interested, so I follow the threads until I can't bear it and unnotify.  Then I check after a few days to see if sanity is returning and repeat.  Seems we live in an "I/me" world where Canon is expected to cater to every individual.  On the other hand, maybe I'm just too old to remember my own immature behaviors! ;D

Jack

But isn't it wonderful that cameras that were so ridiculously awful years ago when they came out have suddenly now become wonderful, and the new model pales in comparison? If Canon would spend as much energy improving the new model as they apparently do on the old ones, they could make some decent stuff.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 10, 2017, 01:11:07 AM
I love the technology but clearly a fancy camera doesn't make me a good photographer.  There is so much more to it.  That's why it's not unsettling for me to have some element of my gear that isn't the best and that's why I always had praise for my 6D in spite of it's minimal specs.  Four years of great fun.

Once again I have to wonder if all the photos taken a few years back are trash and by what standard we would judge them to be trash.  There is so much more than just the technical IQ that makes a great photo. 

When I shoot a bird in its beauty doing nothing much then of course what is there that is great; really only the IQ which is very much camera dependent.  People view it and say, oh that's so sharp, and then it's ho hum because there are now millions of technically excellent photos of everything. 

Shoot a hummingbird and then Google it and you'll see it's nothing outstanding compared to all that have been posted, or is it?  To be outstanding there will have to be something very unique about it and that won't be dependent on which excellent camera you used.  It'll be dependent on who's behind the camera and what they've been able to create using what's between their ears, not more DR.

That's how I see it.  I need to improve far more than the camera needs to improve.  Yet even that is secondary because for me number one is just simply having fun.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Talys on August 10, 2017, 02:10:33 AM
I need to improve far more than the camera needs to improve.  Yet even that is secondary because for me number one is just simply having fun.

Jack

I couldn't have put it better!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Graphic.Artifacts on August 10, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
That rocker looks a bit sketchy relative to a joystick.

I'm not a fan of the joystick, but at the end of the day, I don't use the rocker anymore, either.  Can't speak for others, but the touchscreen controls are so intuitive and well organized that I use it for all the Q menus and to pinch/zoom magnify.

The back dial is solid, like every Canon with one, and is a staple for exposure control.

Thanks for the feedback. My favorite thing about Canons is how well built and intuitive that are to use. Don't mind learning to do things a new way as long as the results are there. Like the idea of the touch screen. Mostly just worried about controlling the AF at this point.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 10, 2017, 08:35:51 AM
great post, Tom. Thank you.

It looks like the street price of 6D II will be at $/£ 1,500.00 level sooner than I expected. It is a great camera for the price though. That said, I expect to see you stepping up to 5D IV body sooner rather than later  :D

on unrelated note: do you own the ColorChecker Card? If so, could you please do me a favour and take 3 shots of the card in AV mode on tripod for stability, at 90 degree angle to the card and identical framing, at ISO 100, constant aperture around F8 to minimise vignetting and resulting images exposed to: -3 stops, 0 stop, +3 stops. I would need RAW files, please.
I would like to run an analysis of the DR rage of 6D II at ISO 100. 

Like everyone here, I live in the real world and I need a tool that will get the job done. The decision lies there.

I wont spend hours worrying over my decision and if I feel its not doing what I need I will sell it and buy something that does. That isnt the case, I shoot a lot of things that one camera cant do so tend to have 2-3 bodies at one time.

I also have other things I like to spend my money on, ive just bought my first house so if I can save money and get similar result it leaves more money to put towards house improvements. I also have a love for cars and would like to buy a toy for the weekend.

I think a lot of people let specs take over their process, that one stop or DR is not going to stop me making great images, it would be nice but back in the day I used to use 20/30/40Ds until the 5D came along. Some of my favorite images came from the 40D. If i take it out now im still impressed with the images I get with it and it is literally a POS compared to the 6DMKII!

In fact after 6 hours of torrential rain at Silverstone Classics a few years ago my 5DMKIII gave up the ghost and I made these images with the 40D...

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/285/20345052031_7b0ae3c128_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wZPHaa)Williams FW07C, Leyland #37, 1981, driven by C. D'Ansembourg, Legends of Modern F1, Silverstone Classic 2015 (https://flic.kr/p/wZPHaa) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/317/20176908081_218136ed59_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wJXVPx)BMW E30 M3, No.83, Tim Harvey, Silverstone Classics 2015 (https://flic.kr/p/wJXVPx) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/519/19792377358_9e89f49592_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/w9Z7eu)Sideways Action, Historic Formula 1, Silverstone Classics 25th Anniversary (https://flic.kr/p/w9Z7eu) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

If you know what you are doing you can make images with any tool IMO. (btw put the 5DMKIII in a towel over night and booted right back up the next morning)

I would love to help you out but unfortunately my colour checker was also stolen :(.

I'm jealous that you only paid £ 1,489 as I paid £ 1,999.00! (are you excluding VAT as your a business?)

Like you and Ive posted elsewhere I find the camera to be no where near as bad as "professional reviewers" are saying and I make my living from renting equipment all the way up to very serious motion picture tools. I found in the limited shots Ive taken so far that pulled shadows appeared cleaner from noise at 400iso than 100iso and that surprised me. My old presets in LR for the 6D no longer work which is understandable and applying sharpening to raw images is much less with better results. My bug bear with the 6D was low level banding in large grey sky or blue sky areas or in lifting shadows in say beige walls of a room so far against pretty grey skies on Dartmoor this past weekend Ive not seen any or in lifting deep shadows in undergrowth on the Dart river.

Its early days but the flippy touch screen was great on low level tripod shots on long exposures on the river so much easier to adjust framing. I am going to try it for a model shoot I have this coming weekend although primarily I will be using the 5DS however I have used the 6D and recomposed with a fairly high success rate so I don't expect the 6D MKII to be too different.

Reading your initial impressions pushed me to the impulse purchase. So thanks for that  ;D

I hate to say it but im an avid Grey market fan, never had an issue and its cheaper then buying uk then claiming VAT back. In the 15 years ive shot canon ive only had 2 problems. First was a 70-200mm MKII had some debris in the barrel on arrival and my 7DMKII dioptre seized. Both covered under warranty, were sent off to be serviced at CPS arrived back perfect and postage paid.

Im a CPS gold member too but only have gear serviced ive never had a piece of gear completely fail or break. Which is a testament to how well built these cameras are! My 5DMKIII was a mess I accidentally slipped on a river back and kicked a tripod into a river and completely submerged it, grabbed it and towweled it off, absolutely fine very lucky there. As above at silverstone it gave up after 6 hours in the rain, had it through the amazon, atacama desert, sahara, most of the southern African national parks, biwindi Ugandan rain forrest, northern Sumatran rain forrests. It really took a beating. Granted I had it serviced and it had 2 new shutters with about 300k on it but never skipped a beat really. It probably wasnt far off failing before it got stolen but I dont baby my gear what so ever.

The 6DMKII certainly has its quirks I dont think ive shot anything at low ISO yet, I dont feel restricted like we used to be with the older sensors I find im happy with 90% of the images all the way up tot 6400 ISO. I dont print huge, A2 is probably the biggest and that not often. Most of my images go in newspapers (which is pretty much like printing on glorified toilet paper), catalogs or marketing material, wedding books etc and at these sizes with the resolution of the sensors noise isnt visible unless you get the magnifying glass out.

Although I did sell a few images to united utilities and they had them printed as wallpaper for their head office in Warrington, Ullswater/Haweswater/Thirlmere buildings which was cool. As far as I know they had no issue with my 5DMKIII files.

I used the flippy screen shooting some products in the studio and just makes life so easy. Looking forward to getting it out to shoot some landscape. I also have a wedding tomorrow so will see how it gets on!

I have been playing around with high ISO on the 6D2...... it is freakin amazing! Low ISO, works great too!

Couldnt agree more! Its really impressive.

Thank you for putting all of this together. Nice images. Looks like a solid paying gig.

I'm is a similar position regarding my old 5D3. Smash and grab out of my car along with a bag of EF primes. Not fun. I feel for you. My insurance company was a good sport about it though and paid up pretty quick. I had a rider for all of my gear though so they really had to. I spent the settlement on a 1DX2 as I didn't see any point in getting another 5D3 and the 5D4 wasn't out yet. A conspicuous brick of a camera but really outstanding in every other regard.

Starting to feel like I have a pretty good sense of the IQ on the 6D2. At least for a camera I've never even held in my hands. AF is still a bit of a wildcard for me though. That rocker looks a bit sketchy relative to a joystick. It does support BBF though as far as I can tell which helps a lot if you have to recompose. Sounds a lot like my 5D2 now that I think about it. Have read a few folks saying it's better to use the dials so that's good to know.

I do a lot of hand held low light street and venue work and I have an extended international trip coming up and need a lightweight body. The 5D3 was OK in low light in that it was accurate but slow. Hate to ask, but if you get the chance could you give us some feed back on focusing and shooting in low available light. No hurry, I'm not doing anything right away. Seems like the high ISO image quality is going to be pretty good but if I can't get accurate focus wide open that doesn't do me much good.

If the AF is workable I'll probably let the dust settle and then pick one up to use as a light weight inconspicuous body for street, travel and events. It seems like it has just the right feature set for those. Wildlife maybe not so much. Thanks again.

Maybe Canon will come out with a 5.5D for those of use that can live without the fancy features but want top notch IQ and AF.

No problem glad I can be some help. Its amazing how much you use things and how much more it costs to replace than you think. Sorry to hear about your gear too. Live and learn!

I have a wedding in a country house tomorrow so it will be dark and I will certainly give it a good run out. I have shot a few images and TBH all the way up to 40000 is pretty good, I think I will limit the camera to 12,800 but I didnt really like my 5DMKIII past 6400. I think I prefer the 6 because the noise has a much nicer pattern.

Its not the perfect wildlife camera but its has more than 1 F8 point which gives it a much better advantage over the 5DMKIII although it doesnt have the same focus modes you can make a profile which would simulate the focus modes of the 5 but you would have to reset it back to normal afterwards. You cant just change the case which is annoying.

Thanks for your Honest Review, nice job.

Thanks :)

Thanks Tom (and others, too) for your actual use reviews of the 6D II.  As seems to be the case with every Canon release, the early pre-release reviews are negative and the nay-sayers, whiners, and DRones come out full force with all their ammunition to bad mouth Canon and ridicule those that like and enjoy shooting Canon.  Then real photographers actually use the camera and find it is better in practically every way than the early reviewers thought.

Although I am going to be passing on this release, it is good to hear that the camera - in real world usage - is giving you really good results.

Completely agree although if people dont complain then canon will slow things down.

If I am completely honest it is disappointing that there isnt much of a sensor improvement as im sure the development and tooling to produce this wasnt cheap it doesnt seem to make much sence to go to all that extra work and make it similar. That said its not the end of the world like I said earlier (stupid to say) if you could make great images with the 5DMKIII you will get better from this and more useable. Its just not had the advancement of the 5DMKIV. There is just enough here to buy one I think, or if your in my situation without a FF camera it makes more sense to buy this than spend more on a 5 year old camera.

As you say the main thing is the camera is familiar performs how I expect and the colour and IQ is perfect for my needs.

I love the technology but clearly a fancy camera doesn't make me a good photographer.  There is so much more to it.  That's why it's not unsettling for me to have some element of my gear that isn't the best and that's why I always had praise for my 6D in spite of it's minimal specs.  Four years of great fun.

Once again I have to wonder if all the photos taken a few years back are trash and by what standard we would judge them to be trash.  There is so much more than just the technical IQ that makes a great photo. 

When I shoot a bird in its beauty doing nothing much then of course what is there that is great; really only the IQ which is very much camera dependent.  People view it and say, oh that's so sharp, and then it's ho hum because there are now millions of technically excellent photos of everything. 

Shoot a hummingbird and then Google it and you'll see it's nothing outstanding compared to all that have been posted, or is it?  To be outstanding there will have to be something very unique about it and that won't be dependent on which excellent camera you used.  It'll be dependent on who's behind the camera and what they've been able to create using what's between their ears, not more DR.

That's how I see it.  I need to improve far more than the camera needs to improve.  Yet even that is secondary because for me number one is just simply having fun.

Jack

TBH its not all about what others think and many think you have to buy the best to be the best (all the gear no idea). The best thing is you are out and doing what you enjoy. There are so many great photographers out there that you cant hold yourself to everyone!

It is very easy to get carried away on these forums. Glad there are people like you who make sound judgements and I enjoy reading your thoughts because you clearly have a lot of experience.

The pictures I posted are so boring! Unfortunately most of my paid work is boring, every once and a while I do get to shoot something I enjoy. If it was easy to make money from being a birder then everyone would be doing it! There are skills more than in camera like finding the subject and getting close without spooking.

Completely agree people are too obsessed with the camera and not the image its very very rare you would figure out what camera was used. On the other hand this is a gear forum, it annoys me how little people contribute in images but have strong opinions of what can and cant be shot on XYZ. I contribute images im allowed to share and appreciate the time people spend posting images and explaining where and what they were doing. I like the story as much as the image, unfortunately those kind of threads arent always popular because they talk about photography not DR.

Even if you have been shooting for a long time there is always things to learn its when you think you know everything that creativity suffers. Ive been shooting a long time like many and there are many occasions I look at the image and think FOR GODS SAKE! lol concentrating so hard one one thing that I miss another. My biggest annoyance is vertical and horizontal lines that intersect through people and there are a few I posted that do just that but sometimes you cant help it. Im quite happy to keep shooting and the more you learn the less you make mistakes.

Nothing is perfect, usually I am the imperfect one.

Cheers

Tom

Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: cheggs on August 10, 2017, 09:43:13 AM
Great real world review. Far more useful than most "reviews" I've slogged through online...you've got me thinking of how to finance a 6D2 now  :D
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: candyman on August 10, 2017, 10:59:39 AM


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TBH its not all about what others think and many think you have to buy the best to be the best (all the gear no idea). The best thing is you are out and doing what you enjoy. There are so many great photographers out there that you cant hold yourself to everyone!

It is very easy to get carried away on these forums. Glad there are people like you who make sound judgements and I enjoy reading your thoughts because you clearly have a lot of experience.

The pictures I posted are so boring! Unfortunately most of my paid work is boring, every once and a while I do get to shoot something I enjoy. If it was easy to make money from being a birder then everyone would be doing it! There are skills more than in camera like finding the subject and getting close without spooking.

Completely agree people are too obsessed with the camera and not the image its very very rare you would figure out what camera was used. On the other hand this is a gear forum, it annoys me how little people contribute in images but have strong opinions of what can and cant be shot on XYZ. I contribute images im allowed to share and appreciate the time people spend posting images and explaining where and what they were doing. I like the story as much as the image, unfortunately those kind of threads arent always popular because they talk about photography not DR.

Even if you have been shooting for a long time there is always things to learn its when you think you know everything that creativity suffers. Ive been shooting a long time like many and there are many occasions I look at the image and think FOR GODS SAKE! lol concentrating so hard one one thing that I miss another. My biggest annoyance is vertical and horizontal lines that intersect through people and there are a few I posted that do just that but sometimes you cant help it. Im quite happy to keep shooting and the more you learn the less you make mistakes.

Nothing is perfect, usually I am the imperfect one.

Cheers

Tom
I have to say this Tom, but those pictures of those construction workers are not at all boring. You take photos of life as it presents to you. It is a reflection of the human life today. It will be even more interesting in the future while looking back on those pictures and see those fancy sunglasses some of those workers were wearing or the fact that they were wearing a hearing protector. Look at images of people from the past. I find them always interesting representing life of the past. It is were we come from. Well done for those so called 'boring' pictures. Keep up the good work Tom!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 10, 2017, 12:10:19 PM
Occasionally it hits me that some of what I say and think relates to my age.  I didn't buy a house, I built one and it's still not finished and I'm retired, ugh, but I'm now poking away at completing the finishing touches.  That's the point in time I essentially abandoned the camera I obsessed about getting, my wonderful Canon F1.  I had one year away from my home town where I rented and I had no workshop or toys and bought an Ftb.  There was definitely a budding love of photography but after a few years the duties of life grew with kids, coming along, asthma becoming critically bad, a wife dying of cancer, a diversion into acquiring too many collector cars that were gems in the rough (really rough) and restoring a couple meticulously, remarriage, more kids and ...

Phew, it makes my head spin but now it's just whatever motivates me, with no pressure and obviously photography is back into the picture.  After years of birthdays and holidays representing my interest in cameras it's now all out fun and true passion - in nature.

What becomes clear in reflecting on all this is that it is foolish to get unreasonably caught up in anything such that it sweeps you away from the things you genuinely love and cherish, like family.  I had to have a 63/4 Ford Falcon convertible, just had to have it.  A friend died, I acquired his baby and guess what ... most years it's sitting in the garage unregistered.  I have a yard with too many of those gems in the rough, that need to go before I die and, blah, blah blah.

I don't even listen to my own advice, because here I am wasting time on a gear forum evaluating the 6D2 I hope to purchase as a back up.  And I'm just a hobbyist who probably doesn't even truly need a back up.  I fabricate, it's for my wife, and perhaps it will be but she's not motivated very much herself, just fans me further into the hobby - buy the best, you have to have the best ...

Collectively we all have these issues and it's fun to socialize and express our thoughts and disappointments and passions and show off our boring or not so boring achievements.  That's what decent caring humans do and why many of us get a little ticked with the negativity that overshadows CR when a new camera arrives.

Life is about what we love but more importantly who we love and what our purpose is here on this earth and largely true satisfaction is found in helping others when we can.  That's why Tom can justifiably feel proud in making the effort he did.  There also is nothing wrong with being proud of modest photographic achievements whether they be "boring" same old photos or whatever because it's still an achievement and it represents us to others.

I fire away at birds and whatever and then I "bore" anyone and everyone that seems to be mildly interested with my photos.  Of course I have to be aware and use discretion, which I think I do, but it's really cool to have a secretary of a doctor I visited say, "thank you, that brightened my day, send more anytime".  So once in a while I do send more, here there and everywhere.  If they only sit on my computer what fun is that.

Finally it's OK to grumble, criticize, and express reactions to disappointment in a group of like minded folk but we need to be balanced or all the negativity ends up destroying our happiness in any given day.  What good is a grumpy negative person!  Don't worry, be happy.  That's what my Grey whistles, happily. ;D

I know, I have to stop this pompous philosophizing and get out with the camera in the sunshine! :-[

Jack

Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: dak723 on August 10, 2017, 02:09:28 PM
dak723, isn't it a pain we have to go through that for every new camera.  I'm interested, so I follow the threads until I can't bear it and unnotify.  Then I check after a few days to see if sanity is returning and repeat.  Seems we live in an "I/me" world where Canon is expected to cater to every individual.  On the other hand, maybe I'm just too old to remember my own immature behaviors! ;D

Jack

No, it is a totally different world in the age of the internet and digital tech.  People that took photos (and lived a good percentage of their lives) in the film days were not interested in the tech of the camera very much because camera tech may not change for twenty years or more.  You bought a camera, put in film, and then were concerned about the image.  The camera didn't matter - they were all essentially the same in regards to the IQ of the image.  With the advent of computers, and then all the other devices that people now use, the technology started at the beginning and then advanced from one generation to the next.  So, today's folks EXPECT major changes from one release to the next.  Because of that, they compare one brand against another for entirely different reasons than we did in the pre-digital age.  It's all about advances in tech, whereas in the old days it was all about reliability, ease of use, ease to repair, how long will it last.  What they forget - or just don't understand, is that camera and lens technology did not start at the beginning when they went digital.  They started as mature technologies that were already limited by physics.  With each generation, we have seen the camera makers find ways to make things more efficient by getting more light to the sensors and minimizing the electronic noise that the camera creates.  But these differences are minimal - and often unnoticed by those who do not pixel peep.

I used the original Canon digital rebel for 9 years when I switched to digital from film.  I had not "discovered" sites like this, so spent no time on specs.  At some point in time I thought that the new Canon with 12 MP must be a noticeable upgrade to my 6 MP 300D.  I bought it - compared the images (not the specs) and found that there was no noticeable difference.  The 12 MP was returned.  Eventually the 300D started having troubles, so I jumped to the 6D.  When I did, I thought, "Oh, no, I'm afraid all my old 6 MP crop camera pics will look noticeably worse compared to anything I take with my new 20 MP FF."  But - whether for good or bad - the differences were negligible in terms of IQ.  Whew!  What a relief when you think about it!  (My best selling print when I did some summer art shows was taken with the 6 MP 300D and the EF-S 18-55mm kit lens! - How can that possibly be!) I don't pixel peep, I don't compare noise, I do minimal post processing - and guess what - I have no problems and no complaints with any of the images from Canon cameras from the original rebel to the latest release.

I don't want to generalize - that is very unfair, but in my main area of interest (which is painting) there is an old adage that those painters that are most interested in the technical aspects of painting (comparing paint brands, brushes, experimenting with different mediums and materials, etc.) are usually not very good painters.  I think the same applies here.  Are you looking at noise, or at composition?  Are you looking at DR or looking at lighting?  The best advice I ever heard in terms of photo composition was from the great Sports Illustrated photographer Walter Iooss, who said something to the effect that "What separates a good from a great photo is the background.  Always take a moment to look at the background and how your subject relates to it."  Should we start a thread about backgrounds and how they relate to your subject?  Or would folks here be so completely confused if a thread did not discuss noise, DR, FPS, MPs or the other usual tech suspects.

Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: hne on August 10, 2017, 02:55:24 PM
Should we start a thread about backgrounds and how they relate to your subject?  Or would folks here be so completely confused if a thread did not discuss noise, DR, FPS, MPs or the other usual tech suspects.

I'd be delighted to read such a thread.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 10, 2017, 02:55:33 PM
dak723, very well stated.  In fact it's better than that. 

I appeared on CR about 4 years ago as a total absolute dummy but I didn't start spouting off about things I didn't know.  I just laid it out that I was a beginner and everyone accepted me and began helping with advice etc.  A great community if we ignore the few troll like fools that always appear out of the woodwork.

I think it was Scott, PBD, that recommended the Freeman book, The Photographers eye, which I bought and digested as best I could and more recently re-read it.  I am happy to spend a few dollars on such material if it's recommended by someone who really knows.  I relish criticism of my photos because I recognize there is always room for improvement but on a forum so many folk tend to take offense or become defensive so it seems we have to steer clear of what could be so beneficial.

I see many taking shots at the likes of Neuro.  He has always been very helpful to me and never put me down and he generally is making intelligent worthwhile comments.  Blunt, forthright, sometimes wrong but willing to admit a mistake and a very valuable contributor. 

So what's the issue?  I think it boils down to egos, thin skins and arrogance on the part of those who are always locking horns with someone.  However, what else is knew, I have to just accept it's human nature and I do very well as long as a new camera hasn't just been released! ;)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 10, 2017, 02:57:59 PM
Should we start a thread about backgrounds and how they relate to your subject?  Or would folks here be so completely confused if a thread did not discuss noise, DR, FPS, MPs or the other usual tech suspects.

I'd be delighted to read such a thread.

So would I but I know from past experience that they don't generally last too long.  However, that's no reason not to.  Of course those who know their stuff have to be actively involved and those folk tend to be very busy, especially this time of year.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 11, 2017, 06:03:02 PM
Hey guys,

Just got back from a gruelling 14hr wedding.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor this evening.

Now I have got used to using the two dial AF point selection method I think its actually faster than using the joystick and really enjoyed using this technique.

Auto ISO was very intelligent and I love the focal length minimum shutter speed. Actually didn't realise the 7DMKII had it also so used it all day and honestly is one less thing to think about. Situations unfold at 100 million miles an hour and its so nice to know that you won't get caught out. Although it doesn't work so well with standard telephotos 24-70mm for example it will shoot in that range so you can't rely on it for freezing action. Had to watch that.

Will have a look at the images tomorrow.

Very very happy performed fantastically. Above and beyond what I expected.

The camera has been slated but dam did it perform well, the feel, weight and how responsive it is I really feel this is a big improvement on the 5DMKIII I got shots today which weren't possible to me with that camera and it has made my job a lot easier.

Loved it so much I'm pretty sure I shot over 2000 images with it and I took 3 cameras....

 ;D
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 11, 2017, 06:33:39 PM
That's wonderful to hear but the proof is in the pudding, still to be eaten. ;)

Must say I'm not surprised.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: joaquinus2017 on August 12, 2017, 01:49:09 PM
Hello

And for landscapes ?? I shot 90 % mountains, rivers, forest.. is ok for this ? (sorry my english)

Thanks
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 12, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Hello

And for landscapes ?? I shot 90 % mountains, rivers, forest.. is ok for this ? (sorry my english)

Thanks

I'm not the most qualified but I'll say it'll be wonderful, it just might not be the "best".  The question then becomes, are you a person that just have to have the best.  I shot lovely landscapes with the 6D, but maybe a DR expert would dispute it.  Who cares, everyone I show my photos to absolutely love them.  Isn't that what matters?  Of course if you're making money with the camera my perspective may not be totally correct. :)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: joaquinus2017 on August 12, 2017, 04:25:10 PM
Hello
No, I do not make money with the camera, I am a hiker who loves Nature and walks a lot in the mountains .. thanks for the answer. a greeting
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 17, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys.

Experience was extremely positive, I don't think its playing overly well with my 24-70 F2.8 L MKI in terms of AF but all my other lenses I had no issue with at all 70-200mm F2.8 MKII and 16-35mm F2.8 MKII.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor.

Now I have got used to using the two dial AF point selection method I think its actually faster than using the joystick and really enjoyed using this technique.

Auto ISO was very intelligent and I love the focal length minimum shutter speed. Actually didn't realise the 7DMKII had it also so used it all day and honestly is one less thing to think about. Situations unfold at 100 million miles an hour and its so nice to know that you won't get caught out. Although it doesn't work so well with standard telephotos 24-70mm for example it will shoot in that range so you can't rely on it for freezing action. Had to watch that and have now altered it to one stop. It would be nice if you could set minimums for lenses as three lenses I use the most is the trinity and obviously on the wide end if you let it shoot at a shutter speed matching focal length you get in trouble.

Very very happy performed fantastically. Above and beyond what I expected.

The camera has been slated but dam did it perform well, the feel, weight and how responsive it is I really feel this is a big improvement on the 5DMKIII I got shots which weren't possible to me with that camera and it has made my job a lot easier.

Loved it so much I'm pretty sure I shot over 2000 images with it and I took 3 cameras....

Helps to have a really awesome venue. Calthwaite Hall, Cumbria UK.

Here are some images

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4351/36586508536_68303521ac_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XK2qkj)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XK2qkj) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4379/36586505186_5fcd3f250d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XK2pky)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XK2pky) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

These two shot are so hard to shoot with the viewfinder, most brides can't really sit down when they have had their dress corseted so you have to get a really big chair or get them to sit by a window but this isn't always possible so using the tilt screen made this really easy, just touched the screen to focus and shoot. Just have to be careful as you don't have the three points of contact with the camera you have to make sure your shooting fast enough.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4336/36586502546_06fab8fd3b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XK2oy3)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XK2oy3) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4334/35823991483_5b2e757572_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WzDjzz)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/WzDjzz) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4380/35823981723_e209719227_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WzDgFi)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/WzDgFi) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4386/35823976143_d4f2054c02_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WzDf26)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/WzDf26) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4425/36495214001_e9f350b817_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XAXvDB)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XAXvDB) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4353/36464078932_08eaea7b81_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XycWh5)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XycWh5) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4375/36495205511_0949857c3a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XAXt8e)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XAXt8e) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

The shutter speeds are a little low in these shots but kept the ISO down. I would like preferred to be in the 1/60-80th as above now set this up a stop so at 24mm for example minimum will be 1/60th.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4361/36632919425_5485d31d14_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XP8hF4)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XP8hF4) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/36632916585_9138873bf9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XP8gQ6)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XP8gQ6) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4378/35798186554_025a7f5e28_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wxn4F1)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/Wxn4F1) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4428/36586481326_7a9b357047_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XK2hfb)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XK2hfb) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

ISO 1600 looking really good

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4362/36586474396_20c1baa9f8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XK2fbG)Sammy &amp; Richard Watson (https://flic.kr/p/XK2fbG) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

Cheeky 10,000 ISO at the end

Really pleased with the results. Hope you like them and they are helpful. These are full size and resoltion so have a look on Flickr to zoom around. No noise reduction added didn't think it needed it apart from the 10,000.

Cheers

Tom
 
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: mdmphoto on August 17, 2017, 02:57:29 PM

Cheeky 10,000 ISO at the end

Really pleased with the results. Hope you like them and they are helpful. These are full size and resoltion so have a look on Flickr to zoom around. No noise reduction added didn't think it needed it apart from the 10,000.

Cheers

Tom

...Okay, NOW you're just showing Off!!!!  Wonderful shots, and a great exposition of the 6D II's qualities and capabilities....
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 17, 2017, 05:20:09 PM

Cheeky 10,000 ISO at the end

Really pleased with the results. Hope you like them and they are helpful. These are full size and resoltion so have a look on Flickr to zoom around. No noise reduction added didn't think it needed it apart from the 10,000.

Cheers

Tom

...Okay, NOW you're just showing Off!!!!  Wonderful shots, and a great exposition of the 6D II's qualities and capabilities....

Thanks! It has been unfairly slated
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Don Haines on August 17, 2017, 05:46:43 PM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys

Nice!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: Nat_WA on August 17, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys.

Experience was extremely positive, I don't think its playing overly well with my 24-70 F2.8 L MKI in terms of AF but all my other lenses I had no issue with at all 70-200mm F2.8 MKII and 16-35mm F2.8 MKII.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor.

Now I have got used to using the two dial AF point selection method I think its actually faster than using the joystick and really enjoyed using this technique.

Auto ISO was very intelligent and I love the focal length minimum shutter speed. Actually didn't realise the 7DMKII had it also so used it all day and honestly is one less thing to think about. Situations unfold at 100 million miles an hour and its so nice to know that you won't get caught out. Although it doesn't work so well with standard telephotos 24-70mm for example it will shoot in that range so you can't rely on it for freezing action. Had to watch that and have now altered it to one stop. It would be nice if you could set minimums for lenses as three lenses I use the most is the trinity and obviously on the wide end if you let it shoot at a shutter speed matching focal length you get in trouble.

Very very happy performed fantastically. Above and beyond what I expected.

The camera has been slated but dam did it perform well, the feel, weight and how responsive it is I really feel this is a big improvement on the 5DMKIII I got shots which weren't possible to me with that camera and it has made my job a lot easier.

Loved it so much I'm pretty sure I shot over 2000 images with it and I took 3 cameras....

Helps to have a really awesome venue. Calthwaite Hall, Cumbria UK.

Here are some images

...

These two shot are so hard to shoot with the viewfinder, most brides can't really sit down when they have had their dress corseted so you have to get a really big chair or get them to sit by a window but this isn't always possible so using the tilt screen made this really easy, just touched the screen to focus and shoot. Just have to be careful as you don't have the three points of contact with the camera you have to make sure your shooting fast enough.

...

Cheeky 10,000 ISO at the end

Really pleased with the results. Hope you like them and they are helpful. These are full size and resoltion so have a look on Flickr to zoom around. No noise reduction added didn't think it needed it apart from the 10,000.

Cheers

Tom

Terrific pictures Tom,
glad the 6DII works so well for you  :) after your 5DIII was nicked :(

Did you take long to get used to using tilt-flip screen - being used to 5DIII / 7DII?
W.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 17, 2017, 06:46:53 PM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys.

Experience was extremely positive, I don't think its playing overly well with my 24-70 F2.8 L MKI in terms of AF but all my other lenses I had no issue with at all 70-200mm F2.8 MKII and 16-35mm F2.8 MKII.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor.

Now I have got used to using the two dial AF point selection method I think its actually faster than using the joystick and really enjoyed using this technique.

Auto ISO was very intelligent and I love the focal length minimum shutter speed. Actually didn't realise the 7DMKII had it also so used it all day and honestly is one less thing to think about. Situations unfold at 100 million miles an hour and its so nice to know that you won't get caught out. Although it doesn't work so well with standard telephotos 24-70mm for example it will shoot in that range so you can't rely on it for freezing action. Had to watch that and have now altered it to one stop. It would be nice if you could set minimums for lenses as three lenses I use the most is the trinity and obviously on the wide end if you let it shoot at a shutter speed matching focal length you get in trouble.

Very very happy performed fantastically. Above and beyond what I expected.

The camera has been slated but dam did it perform well, the feel, weight and how responsive it is I really feel this is a big improvement on the 5DMKIII I got shots which weren't possible to me with that camera and it has made my job a lot easier.

Loved it so much I'm pretty sure I shot over 2000 images with it and I took 3 cameras....

Helps to have a really awesome venue. Calthwaite Hall, Cumbria UK.

Here are some images

...

These two shot are so hard to shoot with the viewfinder, most brides can't really sit down when they have had their dress corseted so you have to get a really big chair or get them to sit by a window but this isn't always possible so using the tilt screen made this really easy, just touched the screen to focus and shoot. Just have to be careful as you don't have the three points of contact with the camera you have to make sure your shooting fast enough.

...

Cheeky 10,000 ISO at the end

Really pleased with the results. Hope you like them and they are helpful. These are full size and resoltion so have a look on Flickr to zoom around. No noise reduction added didn't think it needed it apart from the 10,000.

Cheers

Tom

Terrific pictures Tom,
glad the 6DII works so well for you  :) after your 5DIII was nicked :(

Did you take long to get used to using tilt-flip screen - being used to 5DIII / 7DII?
W.

Thank you! I've had a 70D for about 2 years now it feels like a 70D with a FF sensor so not really it seems pretty natural to use the screen and comes more in handy in more situations than you would imagine!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Gnocchi on August 17, 2017, 07:11:24 PM
Thanks for the effort Tom.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: ken on August 17, 2017, 07:17:51 PM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys.

Experience was extremely positive, I don't think its playing overly well with my 24-70 F2.8 L MKI in terms of AF but all my other lenses I had no issue with at all 70-200mm F2.8 MKII and 16-35mm F2.8 MKII.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor.
[... snip...]

Thank you so much for sharing these. This helps with some upcoming decisions.  :)

[EDIT: And great work!]
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: JBSF on August 17, 2017, 07:41:07 PM

Beautiful work!  And I'm terribly impressed with the camera.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Act444 on August 17, 2017, 09:08:46 PM
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experiences. Definitely insightful to hear from a former 5D3 owner.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: hbr on August 17, 2017, 10:32:57 PM
Thanks for sharing those photos with us, Tom. Great shots. Sorry you are having problems with your 24-70 f/2.8. Fortunately mine works perfectly. May have to do an AFMA? I am loving my 6D2 but still in the process of getting familiar with what it can do. I notice you were using very slow shutter speeds. Were you using a tripod?

Brian
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Talys on August 18, 2017, 12:37:14 AM
Great wedding shots!  Nice variation on the types of photos; they came out great.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 18, 2017, 03:43:24 AM
Thanks for sharing those photos with us, Tom. Great shots. Sorry you are having problems with your 24-70 f/2.8. Fortunately mine works perfectly. May have to do an AFMA? I am loving my 6D2 but still in the process of getting familiar with what it can do. I notice you were using very slow shutter speeds. Were you using a tripod?

Brian

Have you shot anything critical with it yet? Seemed fine in my test shots and then wasn't amazing at the wedding, just adequate. It seems sharp enough with still subjects just doesn't keep up with moving subjects in AI servo. I know the newer lenses MKII are a lot faster with the newer AF systems, my 70-200 was spot on.

No tripod just handheld.

I had the camera on auto ISO all day with it ensuring minimum shutter speed matched focal length. On the indoor shots on the stairs I was using a 16-35mm hence the slow shutter speed which was an error on my part and should have been higher but thankfully I have a steady hand and the subjects were static. They all came out really well, helps with it being a wide angle but have now compensated the auto ISO an extra stop so 24 for example would shoot minimum 1/60th. It did mean the ISO was nice and low it could have really got carried away in there and although I dont mind 3200-12800 for those types of images, sort of showcase shots it wouldnt have been suitable.

Its also a lot darker in there than the images make it look, it was a very overcast and stormy day with very little light coming through the clouds. There was a large window above the stairs which is where the light came from to illuminate the scene. I also only had 10 minutes with them before they had to be announced so all was go!

For inside the marquay I was using flash so the slow shutter speed wasn't really an issue as the flash would freeze the action.

Anyway in hindsight you are correct should have been shooting higher and usually would but thought I would see how I got on and will make changes in the future.

It is nice that its one less thing to think about, although it needs to work properly. I think it would be a lot better if you could set max and min shutter speeds per lens rather than per focal length as it works great if your subject is still or if your lens has IS.

The auto ISO can go crazy too I have it set up to 25,600 and in a church 24mm at 2.8 at 1/60th could easily hit 4000/6400 so worth keeping an eye on. I didnt find the ISO to be an issue at all very pleased with all the images in terms of IQ and noise. Wouldn't have issue printing large.

Hope that answers your question.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot
Post by: tomscott on August 18, 2017, 03:52:51 AM
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys

Nice!

Thanks for the effort Tom.
Ok guys managed to get these uploaded to Flickr to share with you guys.

Experience was extremely positive, I don't think its playing overly well with my 24-70 F2.8 L MKI in terms of AF but all my other lenses I had no issue with at all 70-200mm F2.8 MKII and 16-35mm F2.8 MKII.

All i can say is wow... the 6DMKII handled flawlessly and the tilt screen came in handy in so many shots! The high ISO is incredible and the low light AF... put it this way both blow the doors off a 5DMKIII I don't think the AF missed once on the dance floor.
[... snip...]

Thank you so much for sharing these. This helps with some upcoming decisions.  :)

[EDIT: And great work!]

Beautiful work!  And I'm terribly impressed with the camera.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experiences. Definitely insightful to hear from a former 5D3 owner.
 
Great wedding shots!  Nice variation on the types of photos; they came out great.

Thank you all. Hope that some of my experience with the camera can help you make a more rounded decision.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: hbr on August 18, 2017, 05:12:40 AM
Thanks for sharing those photos with us, Tom. Great shots. Sorry you are having problems with your 24-70 f/2.8. Fortunately mine works perfectly. May have to do an AFMA? I am loving my 6D2 but still in the process of getting familiar with what it can do. I notice you were using very slow shutter speeds. Were you using a tripod?

Brian

Have you shot anything critical with it yet? Seemed fine in my test shots and then wasn't amazing at the wedding, just adequate. It seems sharp enough with still subjects just doesn't keep up with moving subjects in AI servo. I know the newer lenses MKII are a lot faster with the newer AF systems, my 70-200 was spot on.

No tripod just handheld.

I had the camera on auto ISO all day with it ensuring minimum shutter speed matched focal length. On the indoor shots on the stairs I was using a 16-35mm hence the slow shutter speed which was an error on my part and should have been higher but thankfully I have a steady hand and the subjects were static. They all came out really well, helps with it being a wide angle but have now compensated the auto ISO an extra stop so 24 for example would shoot minimum 1/60th. It did mean the ISO was nice and low it could have really got carried away in there and although I dont mind 3200-12800 for those types of images, sort of showcase shots it wouldnt have been suitable.

Its also a lot darker in there than the images make it look, it was a very overcast and stormy day with very little light coming through the clouds. There was a large window above the stairs which is where the light came from to illuminate the scene. I also only had 10 minutes with them before they had to be announced so all was go!

For inside the marquay I was using flash so the slow shutter speed wasn't really an issue as the flash would freeze the action.

Anyway in hindsight you are correct should have been shooting higher and usually would but thought I would see how I got on and will make changes in the future.

It is nice that its one less thing to think about, although it needs to work properly. I think it would be a lot better if you could set max and min shutter speeds per lens rather than per focal length as it works great if your subject is still or if your lens has IS.

The auto ISO can go crazy too I have it set up to 25,600 and in a church 24mm at 2.8 at 1/60th could easily hit 4000/6400 so worth keeping an eye on. I didnt find the ISO to be an issue at all very pleased with all the images in terms of IQ and noise. Wouldn't have issue printing large.

Hope that answers your question.

Thanks for replying Tom. The reason I asked about the slow shutter speeds is that I, being an old man, can no longer hold the camera steady at those low speeds. About the best speed handheld I can do without IS is around 1/125 to 1/250. I am impressed!
I have only taken landscapes with my 24-70 and I am trying to find a model to try the camera out with people, therefore no closeups as you have taken.
Anyway, great pictures and thank you again for sharing them with us.

Brian

PS Yes I have noticed that the camera does a great job of brightening up dark scenes and I would not hesitate to take indoor shots without a flash.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 18, 2017, 06:10:41 AM

Thanks for replying Tom. The reason I asked about the slow shutter speeds is that I, being an old man, can no longer hold the camera steady at those low speeds. About the best speed handheld I can do without IS is around 1/125 to 1/250. I am impressed!
I have only taken landscapes with my 24-70 and I am trying to find a model to try the camera out with people, therefore no closeups as you have taken.
Anyway, great pictures and thank you again for sharing them with us.

Brian

PS Yes I have noticed that the camera does a great job of brightening up dark scenes and I would not hesitate to take indoor shots without a flash.

I see! TBH unless its the version II it might be worth having a play with the 24-105 MKI and MKII or the 24-70 F4 for landscape work with them being a lighter more compact and most importantly having IS. One of the reasons I haven't bought the MKII version of the 24-70 my copy is very sharp seems to be one of the better and  last off the line. Although the MKII is sharper and lighter I dont see the benefit without IS especially for the cost again double. Really hoping they will bring an IS varient out as it would help.

Of corse even the most experienced gets a little anxious when photographing these situations and your heart is going etc it certainly would help when working quickly to steady the camera. Its also difficult moving between my lenses with and without IS as you can get a way with a lot more with an IS lens and when working quickly its another thing to think about.

People can be more difficult to shoot than first thought. An example I like to tell people is like photographing sheep. You would think they are easy to photograph because they are slow etc but the way they gring the grass in their teeth basically vibrates the whole head so you have to shoot at 1/640+ to get the head sharp. People although they seem to be still they are always moving - a blink, smile, shift of the eye or even a heartbeat can blur an image. In fact the first image she blinked and the lashes are not tack but the rest of that area is.

I shoot a lot of motorsport too and getting decent pans at 1/15th and 1/30th takes a lot of practice and is much harder with a FF sensor than it is with crop. I think ive honed some skill from there. Like you say I would much prefer to be up in that high range as you get much more keepers and dont have to worry all day that the images are critically sharp. Again depends on situation a lot of these wedding venues are very dark and adding flash without multiple large difusers can add strange lighting artifacts in the background and I like to work quickly without big set ups like that. The 6DMKII handled it extremely well. Its by no means perfect and the MKIV will give you better results but for nearly 50% less it offers a hell of a lot for the money, probably far more than I need except for those 1-2% of situations.
 
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 18, 2017, 08:08:13 AM
What's that I hear?  I think it's the trolls grinding their teeth.  They really don't like to hear this kind of talk, like really, there now is another Canon camera that is a pleasure to use and gives capable photographers more than adequate quality and no doubt will .... sell well!

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 18, 2017, 09:17:54 AM
What's that I hear?  I think it's the trolls grinding their teeth.  They really don't like to hear this kind of talk, like really, there now is another Canon camera that is a pleasure to use and gives capable photographers more than adequate quality and no doubt will .... sell well!

Jack

The review threads are still trolling and nobody is posting images. Literally arguing about situations they might find themselves... in their sleep. lol Nothing real world.

Its painful to read.

Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: 7DmkI on August 18, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
Hi Tom.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the 6Dii.

I am an amateur and am happy with my 7Di; but technology changes and I wish to upgrade, preferably to full frame.  5Div is a bit too much $$ for me (although I’ve got approval from my CFO at home  ;) ); next natural move would be a used 5Diii or 6Dii which are about the same price.

I prefer to have a more current model like the 6Dii but after reading all these “REVIEW”s, they discouraged me to go for the 6Dii and leaning towards back to a used 5Diii.  Your hands on experience gave me a whole new look at 6Dii (and a lot of people like me, too, I believe) and helps a lot in my decision. 

One thing we got to remember – 6D series is considered as the lower end model of  FF, it can’t and shouldn’t be comparing with 5Div  (which is $$$$$ more) on feature and performance. The price difference is there for a reason.  6Dii price will probably go down after this introductory stage and it will become more attractive and by then, I will grab one!

Thanks once again.


Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 18, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
Hi Tom.

Thank you very much for sharing your experience with the 6Dii.

I am an amateur and am happy with my 7Di; but technology changes and I wish to upgrade, preferably to full frame.  5Div is a bit too much $$ for me (although I’ve got approval from my CFO at home  ;) ); next natural move would be a used 5Diii or 6Dii which are about the same price.

I prefer to have a more current model like the 6Dii but after reading all these “REVIEW”s, they discouraged me to go for the 6Dii and leaning towards back to a used 5Diii.  Your hands on experience gave me a whole new look at 6Dii (and a lot of people like me, too, I believe) and helps a lot in my decision. 

One thing we got to remember – 6D series is considered as the lower end model of  FF, it can’t and shouldn’t be comparing with 5Div  (which is $$$$$ more) on feature and performance. The price difference is there for a reason.  6Dii price will probably go down after this introductory stage and it will become more attractive and by then, I will grab one!

Thanks once again.

Glad to be some help and agree with all you have said.

Really in my mind the 5DMKIII has a couple of benefits: you can buy used which will save you some money, it does have a more accurate AF system and it has two card slots. Otherwise the 6DMKII is superior in every way.

If IQ is your main concern then the issues with the 5DMKIII have been solved here and it makes it a much more useable camera for so many applications.

The 5DMKIII feels its age the 6DMKII has all the nice new features like the tilt screen, bluetooth, wifi viewfinder II etc which really makes the difference on day to day shooting. The twin card slot is a bit of a marketing thing too, for a pro it is very useful and SD cards are more vulnerable than CF cards. If you stick a 128gb card in you will get roughly 2200 shots which means you can leave it in there and off load when you are ready. If the card is in the camera and not being messed around with the likelihood of a failure is really slim. Ive been shooting 15 years professionally and only had one card that had a problem. It didnt even fail, the lock switch on the SD card failed so when you put it into the camera or reader it wouldnt read, with a bit of playing I sorted it and downloaded all the images got intouch with lexar and they replaced it for me.

It is very nice to have two cards for that one time it "might" happen but its extremely rare if you look after your cards.

Saying that the 5DMKIII is solid. Absolutely solid mine had more than 300,000 clicks on it and had been dropped in a river, soaked multiple times at race meets, had barely any paint left and was missing the mode dial top and still worked like a champ they are made to be abused and keep going. Although soaking it is not really advised it was fine, the electronics probably would have corroded over time. Just have to bare that in mind when buying pre-owned which is why I dont unless I know who its come from.

The 6DMKII is an entry level camera. On the other side of the coin we have got to a point where these cameras are so good that you can do things that only pro cameras could do a few years ago and there is no reason why you shouldnt. Reason I bought the 6DMKII is because it was cheaper buying new than a 5 yr old MKIII and I wanted the newer features as ive been used to them with the other cameras i carry 7DMKII and 70D.

I also had an original 7D and if im honest I really didnt get on with it. The 18mp sensor I thought was so noisy, a 6DMKII will be a huge upgrade in terms of IQ. Keeping the 7D would be great for other applications too.

The main thing is have a go with one! Take some images have a play and see if you like it!

I have been between minds for months and have been doing all my shooting recently with my 7DMKII and 70D and haven't had any problems at all infact probably shot some of my best images recently.


All shot with 7DMKII apologies these all have FB compression.

Shot this a few weeks ago for the same company Globus for their Alpha Solway Chemical Suits

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Just been on a 3000 mile roadtrip through Europe for Porsche post magazine.

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Weddings with a crop camera  :o

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4216/35193913316_eb11201fe1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VBY1hU)Lara &amp; Hugo de Chassiron-79 (https://flic.kr/p/VBY1hU) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125413312@N07/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4195/35233948735_8553058fc8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VFvcqK)Lara &amp; Hugo de Chassiron-92 (https://flic.kr/p/VFvcqK) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125413312@N07/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4201/35193860836_d02fe4954e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VBXJG5)Lara &amp; Hugo de Chassiron-95 (https://flic.kr/p/VBXJG5) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125413312@N07/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4290/34423529413_1c29fe0424_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/UrTzZP)Lara &amp; Hugo de Chassiron-327 (https://flic.kr/p/UrTzZP) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125413312@N07/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4216/35232390915_f5f90663d6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VFndkM)Lara &amp; Hugo de Chassiron-335 (https://flic.kr/p/VFndkM) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/125413312@N07/), on Flickr

Love my Canon gear and will continue to use it and not worry about people think I should be using XYZ.

If you continue to produce high quality imagery and clients are happy... why worry.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 18, 2017, 01:23:10 PM
Now I was accused, but I'd say Tom is the Canon fanboy! ;)  I accept being a Canonfanman (CFM) cause I love my Canon gear. ;D  Wish I had shots like this to show.  :)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: stevelee on August 18, 2017, 02:38:31 PM
Wow. Great shots.

I got my first SLR, a Canon FT-QL, in 1969. Both of my DSLRs have been Canons. My next one will likely be a 6D2. My most recent smaller cameras have been S95, S120, and now G7X II, which I use when I travel. If someone wants to call me a Canon fanboy/man/geezer, I won't argue with them.

My first Rebel was not that great in terms of noise in low light, and my EF 75-300mm III is not the sharpest lens around, but I don't regret getting either one, especially for the money. The Xsi took some good photos, but more importantly got me into using a DSLR.

My two best lenses are EF models, so will still work fine with the 6D2. I don't have the time, money, or interest to start running out buying other brands to try. If other folks want to do that, or if they just like other brands better, that's fine with me. If they take good pictures, so much the better. I can find way too many other things to entertain me than to spend time going on fan boards for other brands to bash them.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: YuengLinger on August 18, 2017, 05:26:44 PM
tomscott, your OP and follow-ups add up to the best real-world review I've ever read.  Like you took us along while you were working.  And the shots you've shared are excellent, showing consistent professionalism and a wide range of camera skills.

And you've brought the discussion level for the forum way back up. 

Thank you!
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Frodo on August 18, 2017, 11:32:03 PM
Thanks Tom, for the real world review.

When I shoot events on my 6D, its not the IQ including DR that holds my images back. It images being unsharp through motion blur or missed focus (even with the centre AF point. I've always got the shoots I wanted, but I would have to take several to give me a couple spot.

You say you used auto-ISO a lot and that it uses 1/focal length as slowest speed. While I have steady hands, this is simply not enough for a 20+ MP camera.  Some auto-ISO systems allow you to specify a multiple of the 1/focal length speed. I think the 5D mkiii has this. Does the 6D mkii?  This is a simple, but critical feature.

I was pleased to read your positive comments about focusing. The AF point spread is rather limited. I would like to use lateral AF points on servo focus. The 6D simply can't do this. Can the 6D mkii?

Finally, what is the shutter noise like? I typically use silent mode and the 6D is quiter than my M3.

Thanks, Bob
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 21, 2017, 05:04:01 AM
images being unsharp through motion blur or missed focus (even with the centre AF point. I've always got the shoots I wanted, but I would have to take several to give me a couple spot.

You say you used auto-ISO a lot and that it uses 1/focal length as slowest speed. While I have steady hands, this is simply not enough for a 20+ MP camera.  Some auto-ISO systems allow you to specify a multiple of the 1/focal length speed. I think the 5D mkiii has this. Does the 6D mkii?  This is a simple, but critical feature.

I was pleased to read your positive comments about focusing. The AF point spread is rather limited. I would like to use lateral AF points on servo focus. The 6D simply can't do this. Can the 6D mkii?

Finally, what is the shutter noise like? I typically use silent mode and the 6D is quiter than my M3.

Thanks, Bob

I have to disagree with you on 1/focal length not being fast enough for 20+mp cameras. Ive been doing this for years with cameras of this resolution but it depends on your subject, like you say if you are shooting subjects that move (events) then obviously you have to shoot faster. As far as I know the 5DMKIII didnt have the auto iso focal length feature, just standard auto ISO all you could do was set a minimum shutter speed and the ISO would match depending on light levels if you are shooting in AV.

What you can do with the auto iso is set the shutter speed to match the focal length but like I said with short teles or wide angles it doesnt work because they can be so wide 1/30th isnt oging to stop motion unless you want motion in your images. What you can do is bias the system either faster or slower which I assume is done in stops and can be +/- 3. I have mine set to bias +1 which means at roughly 24 it will shoot at 1/60th. It depends if your in critical situations and the light is fairly even I would shoot in manual and set the shutterspeed as desired and then the auto ISO works in a normal fashion that it will match to get an even exposure.

Auto ISO isnt always great as it tends to push a lot more than you probably would if you were shooting manually. In these situations there isnt time to set all so quickly so I like auto iso because it usually gets it right and with these new cameras im pretty happy with the ISO up to 12,800.

Usually once the light dies down I shoot in manual anyway as light is pretty consistent and I stick the flash on which freezes motion. When the clouds are moving and sun comes out etc this is where it is useful.

The point spread isnt really limited tbh its almost the same as the 5DMKIII and covers the same area as the 6D but with 45 points which is the difference. Shooting with 9 or 11 points with focus recompose leaves too much error IMO especially with large DOF lenses even f2.8 gives you like 2-3cm the focal plan changing to the degree in which you have to focus recompose is more than enough to miss focus. The points are a little tighter than a 5DMKIII which at first glance was a bit annoying but in practice makes no difference, the 5DMKIIIs is very tight compared to the same focus system in the 7DMKII which covers almost the whole frame making life a lot easier. Problem with FF at the moment. You can use any of the points on AF servo and you get the same groupings as the 5DMKIII.

The shutter isnt what I call quiet but its about the same as all other Canon silent shutter modes.

Hope that helps

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: SecureGSM on August 21, 2017, 05:56:06 AM
there are few serious omission in the post above that may mislead forum members.

the Auto ISO feature the poster is referring to has nothing to do with Automatic Shutter speed selection.
ISO Auto is mode in which camera will set ISO automatically (within pre-selected range) based on pre-selected Aperture and shutter speed mode (minimum or AUTO) - in P, M, AV or TV mode.

however if the shutter speed in menu is set to AUTO, the minimum shutter speed will be reciprocal of the lens focal length. with a single step form slower to faster equal to a single step of the shutter speed (1/3 of a stop) typically.  see 6D II manual

2. same function was available in 5d III, and 6:

"... Shuter speed set to Auto: Camera will continue to try to maintain a shutter speed of at least 1 over the lens focal length, changing ISO to maintain this as long as possible. The camera will tend to pick lower ISOs and slower speeds when using standard or wide-angle lenses...."

and if not possible? well, you stuffed as your shutter speed drops to beyond acceptable and the shot is gone. and if you run and gun, then you lost it.. gone.. I cannot afford this. thank you, but  no thank you! :)

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/eos_AutoISO.shtml

3, you cannot "bias" reciprocal rule, what is said above is incorrect. you can bias only total exposure value.
camera will tend to lower ISO first and only then use faster shutter speed.

4. AUTO SHUTTER speed is available in P and AV mode only.


therefore, to make the long story short and not to side track the thread: there is absolutely nothing new in shutter speed AUTO settings. the option is available in Canon bodies as of 2013

in my run and gun shooting experience, the AUTO SHUTTER SPEED  setting is a definite recipe for disaster as your shutter speed may drop as soon as upper limit of AUTO iso is reached and camera will reduce shutter speed to maintaine exposure level.

yes, you can increase auto iso level UP and UP but then camera tends to set much higher than optimal iso levels and maintain shutter speed higher than reciprocal rule. 
again: AV mode only !!!

there are plenty alternatives there. I would recommend the following:

if you run and gun, then do not set shutter speed to auto.





Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 21, 2017, 06:44:34 AM
there are few serious omission in the post above that may mislead forum members.

the Auto ISO feature the poster is referring to has nothing to do with Automatic Shutter speed selection.
ISO Auto is mode in which camera will set ISO automatically (within pre-selected range) based on pre-selected Aperture and shutter speed mode (minimum or AUTO) - in P, M, AV or TV mode.

however if the shutter speed in menu is set to AUTO, the minimum shutter speed will be reciprocal of the lens focal length. with a single step form slower to faster equal to a single step of the shutter speed (1/3 of a stop) typically.  see 6D II manual

2. same function was available in 5d III, and 6:

"... Shuter speed set to Auto: Camera will continue to try to maintain a shutter speed of at least 1 over the lens focal length, changing ISO to maintain this as long as possible. The camera will tend to pick lower ISOs and slower speeds when using standard or wide-angle lenses...."

and if not possible? well, you stuffed as your shutter speed drops to beyond acceptable and the shot is gone. and if you run and gun, then you lost it.. gone.. I cannot afford this. thank you, but  no thank you! :)

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/eos_AutoISO.shtml

3, you cannot "bias" reciprocal rule, what is said above is incorrect. you can bias only total exposure value.
camera will tend to lower ISO first and only then use faster shutter speed.

4. AUTO SHUTTER speed is available in P and AV mode only.


therefore, to make the long story short and not to side track the thread: there is absolutely nothing new in shutter speed AUTO settings. the option is available in Canon bodies as of 2013

in my run and gun shooting experience, the AUTO SHUTTER SPEED  setting is a definite recipe for disaster as your shutter speed may drop as soon as upper limit of AUTO iso is reached and camera will reduce shutter speed to maintaine exposure level.

yes, you can increase auto iso level UP and UP but then camera tends to set much higher than optimal iso levels and maintain shutter speed higher than reciprocal rule. 
again: AV mode only !!!

there are plenty alternatives there. I would recommend the following:

if you run and gun, then do not set shutter speed to auto.

Surprised you haven't turned up earlier to slate some more of my posts! Welcome!

Page 175 of the manual setting minimum shutter speed for auto ISO.
Page 130 of the 5DMKIII manual all you can do is set a minimum shutter speed overall for any lens you use.

Pretty sure that was the question.

It depends on what your usable range is mine is 100-12800 which in the situations I use it works really well. Like I said I use it in different situations not all the time, I use it appropriately. The auto ISO will always try to set the lowest ISO so I think its a useful feature worth mentioning that maybe not everyone knows about.

You do what you feel is right and this is how I work and I get results. I use it casually shooting and in decent light, the auto ISO never pushes to crazy levels in these situations and when in good light it doesnt always shoot at the minimum because... thats the minimum.

For example at 0 24mm shoots at 1/30th
                      1 24mm shoots at 1/60th
                      2 24mm shoots at 1/125th
                      3 24mm shoots at 1/250th

Your comments are so dramatic "definite recipe for disaster" "then you lost it.. gone.. I cannot afford this" LOL!

So why do so many people use it if its a disaster. Such rubbish. Most of the circle of pros I associate myself with use this feature and is where I learned how to use it.

Surprised there hasn't been more of 6DMKII is sh*t and the 5DMKIV is the only camera you can get decent images from.  ;D

You talk a whole lot yet I haven't seen any images from you at all. Ever...

Funny that.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: SecureGSM on August 21, 2017, 07:39:43 AM
Tom,

tone it down for starters. I did not even mention your name.  I never said that 6d II is a bad camera. I made comment that 6D II is not the right tool for my personal situation, you can shoot with whatever you choose to shoot. Not sure why you are so emotional about it.

yes, auto shutter speed is recipy for disaster for one simple reason:

you can control how low shutter speed will end up being. yes, you can crank up auto ISO to 12800, but then you will find that a lot of images were taken at higher iso than you wanted them to be. much higher.

yes, some people shoot in auto iISO. some even shoot in A mode or P mode. what is your point? :)
run and gun is not obviously what you do a lot. but that is ok. please note: I never questioned you photography.
what we are talking about is very specific preferences that run and gun shooters would learn to use and know it works any time of the day, year  or age.
yes, you can get away shooting in auto shutter speed but you cannot guarantee outcomes. I hope it explains.

what sets a professional from an amateur apart, is the ability to predict and guarantee outcome each time. there is no tolerance for error in such a fast pace environment nor you can afford to have one.
 
let 's break it down to those 4 point i brought in y previous post.

1. auto shutter speed options is available in  5D III. you owned 5D III, don't you? you should see this screen before. I understand you was unsure about it, that is ok. you never needed to use one. right?

there is no explicit explanation what the auto shutter speed is in the 5d III user manual: the option  is in the menu explanation is not available, see the image attached. that is ok to be mistaken. we are all humans.

here:

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/eos_AutoISO.shtml

Canon’s EOS-1D X, EOS 5D Mark III and EOS 6D possess a host of new features and improvements, including a significant refinement of Auto ISO...

now, on page 3:

Shutter Speed

Auto: Camera will continue to try to maintain a shutter speed of at least 1 over the lens focal length, changing ISO to maintain this as long as possible. The camera will tend to pick lower ISOs and slower speeds when using standard or wide-angle lenses.

 see the screen shot attached. shuiter speed : AUTO. explanation is per above.

3. your explanation regarding shutter speed bias was incorrect.  I repeat : you cannot "bias" reciprocal rule, what is said above is incorrect. you can bias only total exposure value.
camera will tend to lower ISO first and only then use faster shutter speed.

4. auto shutter speed is available in AV and P mode only.


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... Most of the circle of pros I associate myself with use this feature and is where I learned how to use it...

you obviously never used it prior to 6D II body as you believe that feature was not available in 5D III and your 7D || body. it is there. but now your learned about it. ok.

well how long ago then? you are apparently shooting professionally for 10 years but learned about auto shutter speed feature only now. and the option is available for 5 years already.
This does not surprise me a slight bit. it just tells me that you never ever ran into problems using the auto shutter speed option due to your very limited experience using the feature.
again, i do not question your photography . you have an eye for composition, i like your framing and and photography. i said this already 10 times already. but that does not imply that your know everything and about everything.


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"... Surprised there hasn't been more of 6DMKII is sh*t and the 5DMKIV is the only camera you can get decent images from..."

when and where did I said this? can you substantiate your claim?  citation needed..

I  was shooting with 2 6D bodies with single usable AF point and was able to deliver satisfactory results.

it is uncomfortable though. very inconvenient shooting with limited body. :)
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 21, 2017, 08:40:29 AM
Tom,

tone it down for starters. I did not even mentioned your name.  I never said that 6d II is a bad camera. I made comment that 6D II is not the right tool for my personal situation, you can shoot with whatever you choose to shoot. Not sure why you are so emotional about it.

yes, auto shutter speed is recipy for disaster for one simple reason:

you can control how low shutter speed will end up being. yes, you can crank up auto ISO to 12800, but then you will find that a lot of images were taken at higher iso than you wanted them to be. much higher.

yes, some people shoot in auto iISO. some even shoot in A mode or P mode. what is your point? :)
run and gun is not obviously what you do a lot. but that is ok. please note: I never questioned you photography.
what we are talking about is very specific preferences that run and gun shooters would learn to use and know it works any time of the day, year  or age.
yes, you can get away shooting in auto shutter speed but you cannot guarantee outcomes. I hope it explains.

what differentiate professional form amateur, is the ability to predict and guarantee outcome each time. there is 0 tolerance for error in such a fast pace environment nor you can afford to have one.
 
let 's break it down to those 4 point i brought in y previous post.

1. auto shutter speed options is available in  5D III. you owned 5D III, don't you? you should see this screen before. I understand you was unsure about it, that is ok. you never needed to use one. right?

there is no explicit explanation what the auto shutter speed is in the 5d III user manual: the option  is in the menu explanation is not available, see the image attached. that is ok to be mistaken. we are all humans.

here:

http://www.learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/eos_AutoISO.shtml

Canon’s EOS-1D X, EOS 5D Mark III and EOS 6D possess a host of new features and improvements, including a significant refinement of Auto ISO...

now, on page 3:

Shutter Speed

Auto: Camera will continue to try to maintain a shutter speed of at least 1 over the lens focal length, changing ISO to maintain this as long as possible. The camera will tend to pick lower ISOs and slower speeds when using standard or wide-angle lenses.

 see the screen shot attached. shuiter speed : AUTO. explanation is per above.

3. your explanation regarding shutter speed bias was incorrect.  I repeat : you cannot "bias" reciprocal rule, what is said above is incorrect. you can bias only total exposure value.
camera will tend to lower ISO first and only then use faster shutter speed.

4. auto shutter speed is available in AV and P mode only.


Quote
... Most of the circle of pros I associate myself with use this feature and is where I learned how to use it...

you obviously never used it prior to 6D II body as you believe that feature was not available in 5D III and your 7D || body. it is there. but now your learned about it. ok.

well how long ago then? you are apparently shooting professionally for 10 years but learned about auto shutter speed feature only now. and the option is available for 5 years already.
This does not surprise me a slight bit. it just tells me that you never ever ran into problems using the auto shutter speed option due to your very limited experience using the feature.
again, i do not question your photography . you have an eye for composition, i like your framing and and photography. i said this already 10 times already. but that does not imply that your know everything and about everything.

Yet you shoot with 2 6Ds and a MKII isnt the right camera for you. You have 10s of k invested in canon glass and you need best sensor for that investment AKA a 5DMKIV and I should be exactly the same... yet you haven't bought one yet and run and gun with 2 6ds it doesn't add up im afraid. Make your mind up.

Im not sure how shooting weddings and events isnt run and gun so that must mean im an amateur  ::)

I have been using auto ISO for years but in places I trusted it like I said above in changeable but decent light.

I apologize I didn't realise auto was in the menu for the 5DMKIII I would set 1/60th as a minimum manually and that worked for me with standard lenses.

The menu system in the 6DII and 7DMKII gives you a more graphic explanation with the ability to bias this faster or slower so yes 1/focal length and increases ISO so when you zoom but you can increase that minimum with the bias +1 +2 +3 you couldnt do that in the 5DMKIII you could only set a minimum. The bias changes with every lens you put on the camera so you dont have to go back in. If you are using wider lenses you can ensure you will still get a sharp image with 24mm above as an example in increments.

I apologise if this was in the 5DMKIII but I thought this was a new feature and is the reason that I made a point of it. The bias can be really useful. It would be more useful if you could have this setting for every lens you use as each extreme is different 16mm vs 400mm for example.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: SecureGSM on August 21, 2017, 10:41:28 AM
much better now, thank you. let me address your queries:


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Yet you shoot with 2 6Ds and a MKII isnt the right camera for you.


I was shooting with 2 x 6D in the past. there are things that we want and things that we need.
I sold first 6D and bought 5D III, second 6D will be traded for 5D IV the moment a nice , mint low shutter 5D IV body will surface on local classifieds site. I have got cash set aside.

6d II feature set was not enough reason for me to upgrade from 6D level body. I shoot most events  with a single AF point. the old good centre aF point. Focus and recompose was happy with IQ, was unhapy with:

AF system capabilities beyond focus and recompose technique. I wanted 5D / 7D level AF system flexibility,
AF joystick ( yes, you can mange with two wheels but it is uncomfortable), I wanted wider AF point spread. better button customisation, dual card slot. and .. ready?

I.hate.DoF.button.position.on.6D. bodies. I. hate. it. full. stop.

now,on my 5D III i set Dof button to Spot AF. very useful!I use my ring finger to push DoF button to switch to Spot AF while I holding it. beautiful, Tom! just when you need to land AF precisely.. priceless.

unfortunately, none of these options are available with 6D II - it is AF system is not as powerful as the one of 5D/7d/1D level body. just not quite.


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you have 10s of k invested in canon glass and you need best sensor for that investment AKA a 5DMKIV and I should be exactly the same... yet you haven't bought one yet and run and gun with 2 6ds it doesn't add up im afraid. Make your mind up.

:))) ah, pure gold. I made up my mind, Tom. see above. I am in the process  of moving away from 6D level bodies. that is ok now. seriously, my logic is still reasonably strong despite 50+ yeas of walking this beautiful planet.
next one..
i never said I need best sensor. did I? :D
I am happy with 6D body sensor in general, but 5D IV body has better sensor so it is all included, right? nothing to complain about. better, High iSO, better low ISO, better pixel level sharpnes - your old lens delivers better inages all that sudden. what is not to love?

I did not say you should upgrade. I said the following: I see you (Tom) stepping up to 5D level body soon..meaning that once the opportunity presented itself and you are in a better position to spend dollars/pounds on it, you will likely upgrade but now that you have different priorities, you have to get done more with less. i said this because i see you doing well and wish you well in the future so that you can afford shooting with a better body (is).  done, thank you!

10Ks of dollars invested - yes, correct. not sure what does not add up for you? you mean: I do not own that much glass or do not have 2 bodies.. what? seriously i do not understand.

As I explained, I was panning to upgrade but was not sure until 6D II was released. That didn't match my expectation and I moved to 5D level. simple.

if you do not believe that I own that much glass, I can take a photo of my lenses and bodies and send it to you but somehow I do not believe this is strictly a requirement. i have no reason to tell you lies.

well, shooting weddings with 7D II is not an ideal situation either. it is not the best at least. right? :)
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Frodo on August 24, 2017, 09:39:35 PM
Hi Tom

Thanks for your response.  I'm pleased that you can reliably obtain sharp images at a shutter speed of 1/focal length, because I can't - my success rate is about 50%. 
When shooting events, I like to control depth of field so set the camera at aperture priority, with auto-ISO. This may mean that the auto shutter speed will drop too low for my handholding or for subject movement.  Specifying a fixed minimum shutter speed is fine when shooting with just one fixed lens, but not when using a zoom or multiple primes.  I prefer not to have to worry about stuff like that in the action of events.
Hence, my question about changing the auto speed setting in auto-ISO.
I'm pleased to see that your last screen shot shows that this is possible.
This could be a simple firmware update for the 6D!

Thanks, Bob
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Graphic.Artifacts on August 27, 2017, 01:59:24 PM
Hey Tom. Thanks for uploading more of your photos and experience with the 6D 2. Lovely wedding photos. Your client should be very pleased. I'm a complete washout as a wedding photographer myself. Just not my thing.

I got completely lost trying to sort out what you guys were talking about with auto ISO. Why not just shoot in M with autoISO setting. Set desired shutter speed and aperture and let ISO auto adjust. You couldn't really do that very well on 5D3 as there was not exposure compensation but I thought Canon has sorted that on recent bodies. Not saying there aren't other ways to do it but I shoot 90% of my handheld work that way. If the ISO runs too high I make an adjustment. Wondering if you can't do that on the 6D2 for some reason. I generally don't like to let the camera automatically alter more than one variable or I feel like things can get away from me. Just curious. Thanks again. Sounds like the new camera is really working out great for you.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 27, 2017, 04:18:46 PM
Hey Tom. Thanks for uploading more of your photos and experience with the 6D 2. Lovely wedding photos. Your client should be very pleased. I'm a complete washout as a wedding photographer myself. Just not my thing.

I got completely lost trying to sort out what you guys were talking about with auto ISO. Why not just shoot in M with autoISO setting. Set desired shutter speed and aperture and let ISO auto adjust. You couldn't really do that very well on 5D3 as there was not exposure compensation but I thought Canon has sorted that on recent bodies. Not saying there aren't other ways to do it but I shoot 90% of my handheld work that way. If the ISO runs too high I make an adjustment. Wondering if you can't do that on the 6D2 for some reason. I generally don't like to let the camera automatically alter more than one variable or I feel like things can get away from me. Just curious. Thanks again. Sounds like the new camera is really working out great for you.

Thinking about similar things yesterday, it seems to me that the solution would be a simple algorithm that would dictate the lens and camera's behaviour in the changing circumstances  - if, then, else, with user input.  However, probably most people find the present button programmability already confusing enough.  Manual with auto ISO serves me fine.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: stevelee on August 27, 2017, 06:14:17 PM
I'm backing off thinking about getting the 6D2 any time soon. I took a lot of photos of the eclipse with my T3i and mediocre at best 75-300mm lens, and they turned out great, other than the few I didn't get the focus spot on. The sunspots before totality are really clear, and the bit of CA doesn't seem to hurt the pictures that much. It has made me wonder why I am even thinking of upgrading anything. Logically, a better telephoto would be a more reasonable investment than getting a full-frame body. And I don't shoot telephoto pictures that much other than the sun and the moon. Maybe I should plan to upgrade the lens by 2024, maybe even the body. I understand the 6D2 doesn't even have enough dynamic range to get shadow detail through an 18-stop filter.

I'm only partly kidding. Maybe as I consider my under-used and under-appreciated current gear, perhaps I'll use it more and appreciate it more before I'm ready to move on. And maybe if enough trolls and naysayers tamp down demand, the price will come down a little by the time I'm ready to buy.

I realize that having thousands of dollars charged to my credit card recently for an upcoming trip to Hawaii and cruise around the islands, etc., has dampened a bit my "I can afford it so why wait to buy it" attitude. And it's not like I plan to take a DSLR (current or future) with me on the trip when my G7X II does such great travel pictures and fits in my pocket.

I still don't regret passing on the 80D to wait to see what this camera would be like, though the delay was somewhat longer than I was expecting. And who knows? Next week I might be posting images I shot with my new 6D2 as the post-eclipse and post-credit-card-shock effects fade. And it's just over a month to my birthday, and I don't know what else to get me.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 28, 2017, 01:37:34 AM
When a person is really enthused about photography the excitement that comes from getting better pictures causes a snowball effect of wanting to photograph more.  Out of that comes a greater love and interest in improving and expanding the initial interest.

It's been almost 5 years.  My first DSLR was a Nikon D5100 and it whetted my appetite enough to know I wanted to go FF.  The 6D with L glass then just fired me up so much that now I'm rolling along with the 1DX2 and having a ball.  Sure, I can't justify this level of gear as an enthusiast but it's giving me the impetus to try to get better, to be the best I can be since there is no excuse, I can't blame my camera and lenses. 

That's not to say I couldn't be happy with the D5100 if that was all I could afford but turning back the clock if I had it and the 6D2 came along I wouldn't hesitate for a second.  I guess it comes down to, is your heart in your photography.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Nat_WA on August 28, 2017, 06:47:35 AM
When a person is really enthused about photography the excitement that comes from getting better pictures causes a snowball effect of wanting to photograph more.  Out of that comes a greater love and interest in improving and expanding the initial interest.

It's been almost 5 years.  My first DSLR was a Nikon D5100 and it whetted my appetite enough to know I wanted to go FF.  The 6D with L glass then just fired me up so much that now I'm rolling along with the 1DX2 and having a ball.  Sure, I can't justify this level of gear as an enthusiast but it's giving me the impetus to try to get better, to be the best I can be since there is no excuse, I can't blame my camera and lenses. 

That's not to say I couldn't be happy with the D5100 if that was all I could afford but turning back the clock if I had it and the 6D2 came along I wouldn't hesitate for a second.  I guess it comes down to, is your heart in your photography.

Jack

True enough!
Eventually it is all about the pictures you take, the gear just enables and inspires to try more / try to get better.
Speaking for myself - I didn't need the 7DmkII, but it has inspired me to also try my luck at BiF and other "moving animals"/ sports.
The 6DmkII seems like a great tool and affordable entry point for FF!

Wiebe.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: bholliman on August 28, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
Thanks for sharing the wonderful images and your experiences with the 6DII Tom.  Some are busy dumping on this camera in internet forums and other, like you, are out using it to take great pictures with it.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: stevelee on August 28, 2017, 10:55:12 AM
When a person is really enthused about photography the excitement that comes from getting better pictures causes a snowball effect of wanting to photograph more.  Out of that comes a greater love and interest in improving and expanding the initial interest.

It's been almost 5 years.  My first DSLR was a Nikon D5100 and it whetted my appetite enough to know I wanted to go FF.  The 6D with L glass then just fired me up so much that now I'm rolling along with the 1DX2 and having a ball.  Sure, I can't justify this level of gear as an enthusiast but it's giving me the impetus to try to get better, to be the best I can be since there is no excuse, I can't blame my camera and lenses. 

That's not to say I couldn't be happy with the D5100 if that was all I could afford but turning back the clock if I had it and the 6D2 came along I wouldn't hesitate for a second.  I guess it comes down to, is your heart in your photography.

Jack

True enough!
Eventually it is all about the pictures you take, the gear just enables and inspires to try more / try to get better.
Speaking for myself - I didn't need the 7DmkII, but it has inspired me to also try my luck at BiF and other "moving animals"/ sports.
The 6DmkII seems like a great tool and affordable entry point for FF!

Wiebe.

Good points from you both. If/when I get a FF camera, I'm sure I'll shoot more pictures. Even if they aren't really any better than the shots I get with my G7X II, for all practical purposes and not just pixel peeking, it will be worth it. One thing I'll probably do is rent a TS lens for a week (likely the 24mm) and have a "staycation" of planned shooting and playing around with the lens. I'm retired, so in a way whenever I'm home it is a staycation, but I would minimize time spent on other things for that week. The time limit of the week would be a good thing, I think.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 28, 2017, 11:46:08 AM
@stevelee  I passed on the 5D3 to get the 6D because my focus was on getting the best hand-holdable longer lens I couldn't afford/justify.  At the time, for me that was 300 2.8 II with 1.4X & 2X because I love shooting wildlife.  I would always recommend a "best" lens possible ahead of a "best" camera.

The lens more than the camera has spurred me onward.  420 -> 600 -> 800 for the reach that for small birds is never enough.  For others the lens of lust is different because of different subject interests but there will be a lens that will encourage most  enthusiasts to greater photo taking involvement.  Gear lust and subsequent essentially frivolous purchases may do just the opposite.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: dak723 on August 28, 2017, 12:34:58 PM
I'm backing off thinking about getting the 6D2 any time soon. I took a lot of photos of the eclipse with my T3i and mediocre at best 75-300mm lens, and they turned out great, other than the few I didn't get the focus spot on. The sunspots before totality are really clear, and the bit of CA doesn't seem to hurt the pictures that much. It has made me wonder why I am even thinking of upgrading anything. Logically, a better telephoto would be a more reasonable investment than getting a full-frame body....

I would strongly recommend renting a FF body and seeing first hand whether or not the results differ enough for you.  I know this type of opinion is not the norm for this type of forum, but I too was enticed by lure of FF and ultimately found it not worth it.  Not to say that I won't consider FF again in the future, but going from crop to FF differed very little in IQ.  Of course, this will depend on how large you might print (I found essentially no difference printing 8" x 10" or so), how large your monitor is, etc.  The biggest difference is on low light photography and higher ISOs which I never shoot.  I do a lot of flower photography and the narrower DOF with the FF ultimately led me to buy another crop body anyway as I needed more DOF and more reach.  After owning the FF (6D) for about 3 years, I sold it to get the M5 - mainly for size and weight reasons.  In my opinion, if needing a shallower DOF and shooting at higher ISOs are not priorities for you, then you may find less difference between your crop camera and FF than you think.  But again, only you can answer that question and renting (or borrowing) a FF camera will give you more and better info than you will get on this forum. 
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 28, 2017, 02:22:51 PM
dak723 makes a valid point.  For me the journey to higher ISOs with less noise has been the icing on the cake.  Never thought I'd shoot an ISO 12800 that could be called decent, provided it's not cropped.  Again I'm talking wildlife and seldom enough light considering the shutter speeds.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on August 28, 2017, 02:25:56 PM
Ive been out all weekend photographing deer, wildlife is a something I'm really passionate about and was looking forward to giving the camera a good run out. It was really impressive!

100-400mm MKII is super sharp the resolution bump which not many people have talked about makes quite a big difference. I was out today photographing red deer and they are super skittish so had the 1.4x on the 100-400mm and very happy with the results having more than the centre point for F8 is really fantastic for composition.

Will upload some images when in the next couple of days.

Also been shooting in the studio and have some examples to share also.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: stevelee on August 28, 2017, 05:43:33 PM
I don't shoot wildlife very often, and when I do, I don't need too long a lens. I see a lot of birds on my deck rail, and the trees are just beyond. The lot slopes enough that the deck level is about 20 feet off the ground, so I can look at birds while sitting in the den with its three huge windows or at the kitchen table while I eat. I sometimes shoot birds through the windows, such as when some large raptor was on the deck rail after a rain letting its wings dry out before flying off. I just grabbed the iPhone for that and sent the picture to a friend who used to keep a pet hawk or something like that, to see if he could ID the species. I enjoy bird photos of others, but don't feel motivated to shoot them myself.

The deer are fairly tame and don't always run when I walk out back and we encounter each other. Maybe if I pointed a camera at them, they might not appreciate the difference between photography and other types of shooting.

I do wish I had shot video of something I saw out the den window. The white cat from next door, but who really stays on my front porch a lot, was back at the edge of the woods looking like she was stalking something. A deer with her tongue hanging out walked over to the cat looking as if she were going to lick her. The cat was going berserk, and eventually ran off past the deer toward the front of our houses, and the deer took off after her. Strange animal behavior. Fortunately a college classmate was visiting, and he saw it, too, so I didn't think I was the one going nuts.

So anyhow, I don't really take telephoto shots that much, and the 100mm macro does a good job as a 160mm substitute on the Rebel. I would buy something longer if I got a FF. I really liked and used the 200mm I had with my FT-QL, so maybe something in that range. In my non-zoom era of the 70s, I would take a 28, 85, and 200 with me, and that worked well. I have been less than pleased with the 75-300mm zoom in terms of sharpness and such, but as I said, I was pleasantly surprised by the eclipse photos. And had already taken decent moon shots, if you pardon a bit of CA:

(http://www.stevelee.name/images/moon11-13-2016.jpg)

A few years ago I took the Rebel with that lens to a football game at the college here. I was shooting from the stands, mostly video. I had no particular purpose, just messing around with the camera. I was surprised that 75mm (120 eq.) was too tight to show the whole play even on the other side of the 50 yd. line.

The low light performance of the T3i leaves a lot to be desired, so either the 80D or the 6D2 would be a big step up. I think here is where we get to the chicken-egg part. I don't shoot so much low light stuff, but I think that is because of the camera limitation, rather than that being a reason not to buy a camera with better high ISO performance. Right now ISO 800 is about my limit. I don't think I'd go wrong getting either of those bodies, really.

Thanks to you guys for your helpful comments for me to consider.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 28, 2017, 09:11:15 PM
@stevelee  We're all raised differently and have our personal preferences.  My four kids don't all share my enthusiasm for nature in spite of my efforts to instill it.  From what you describe at your back door I'd have as high a quality long lens as I could afford and be going nuts getting shots of all the wildlife and it'd probably all be above 800 ISO. ;)

The strange behaviour scenario presented itself to me one day and my lack of expertise left me with poorer shots than I'd have liked but there was a whole sequence between a neighbour's cat and a young fox.  I still chuckle!  For me this is what I call FUN.

Heavy crops, 6D 300 X2 and one reason why I now have 1DX2 400DO X2.  I can't fully blame the camera other than 4 fps.  A cell phone wouldn't have cut it for me but then that's just me. ;)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: stevelee on August 28, 2017, 10:38:45 PM
@stevelee  We're all raised differently and have our personal preferences.  My four kids don't all share my enthusiasm for nature in spite of my efforts to instill it.  From what you describe at your back door I'd have as high a quality long lens as I could afford and be going nuts getting shots of all the wildlife and it'd probably all be above 800 ISO. ;)

The strange behaviour scenario presented itself to me one day and my lack of expertise left me with poorer shots than I'd have liked but there was a whole sequence between a neighbour's cat and a young fox.  I still chuckle!  For me this is what I call FUN.

Heavy crops, 6D 300 X2 and one reason why I now have 1DX2 400DO X2.  I can't fully blame the camera other than 4 fps.  A cell phone wouldn't have cut it for me but then that's just me. ;)

Jack

Neat sequence. I'll pass that along to my friend who saw the cat and deer incident if I can.

Have you seen any of Doug Gardner's shows on PBS and the Create channel? I particularly enjoyed the episode where he was photographing salamanders in the wild. (I think that was one of his.) Some of the shows are on YouTube. He talks about technique including camera settings.

You would have loved where I lived 10-15 years ago. It was in a fairly populated area, but way back off the road. The big yard was surrounded by woods on three sides. The fourth side faced a softball field, and there was a cemetery between it and the road. I routinely saw foxes, raccoons, wild turkeys, rabbits, deer, and other critters in my yard. I would set up my telescope in the back yard where the house would block light from the street lights. I would see eyes shining in the woods, and I wasn't sure whether they were predator or prey, or if I was the potential prey. When it snowed, I would see all sorts of tracks through the yard.

A 600mm lens might be a little much for the deer, given the distance I see them here, maybe for head shots. This time of year I don't see birds back in the woods very much because the thickness of foliage. Late fall and winter is better. I see lots of cardinals when it snows. I don't know if they come here more, or if they show up more, or if I just look out more. Maybe all three. The neighbors have bird feeders, and they used to have on high in a big tree behind their house. I don't know how or when they put the feed up there. But the tree fell several years ago and left an open space where it had been. The forest continues to recover from the construction of our homes. Here is a cardinal I saw at that feeder in January, 2009:

(http://www.stevelee.name/images/cardinal.jpg)

That was taken at ISO 800 on my old XSi, same telephoto lens at 300mm (480 eq.), cropped a bit and then resized for the web. I was nice and warm indoors, taking the photo though the window. Notice that I am shooting down a bit. I have more cardinal pictures and got at least two other species that time, including I guess a bluejay. So I'm not averse to nature photography. I just do it seasonally and comfortably for the most part. I do like to chase down bugs with my macro lens, but haven't done a lot of that. The XSi was a lot worse on noise than the T3i with which I replaced it.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: Jack Douglas on August 28, 2017, 11:21:38 PM
stevelee, thanks for sharing the interesting stories.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING IMAGES P3)
Post by: tomscott on September 04, 2017, 06:06:56 PM
On the bank holiday weekend me and my girlfriend went to Lyme Park in Stockport, Cheshire UK.

Nestling on the edge of the Peak District, Lyme was once home to the Legh family and, in its heyday a great sporting estate.

The 1,400 acre estate has a medieval herd of red deer believed to be descendants to the Royal Heard. Red deer in the UK are the largest mammal with Red deer and extremely skittish they are almost impossible to get near unlike other species such as Fallow deer. They were also in the sanctuary part of the park where the visitors weren't allowed so they were a long way away hardly ideal being a bank holiday there were a lot of people and the deer stayed well away.

Because I went with the GF it wasn't exactly the time of the day I would have gone being mid afternoon. It was also really overcast with pockets of sunshine so again not the best time to be shooting for sharpness. Anyway I took the 6DMKII with the 100-400mm MKII and 1.4X III.

These are pretty heavy crops and remember with a 1.4 also essentially 560mm. With some I have shown the original with desired crop and 100% crop so you can see what it can do. 

I purposefully shot at high shutter speeds because of the distance, range and like sheep deer grind their teeth while chewing grass so you have to shoot fast to get a sharp image of the head. This also meant I could see how the ISO faired up, I think they look fantastic, I have added +70 sharpening and +5 noise as this is my standard profile for 1600iso and up.

As usual all the images are full res so you can use the links to zoom it to look at detail at 100%

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4371/36842260726_c74eb273a6_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Y8CdxQ)Lyme Park Red Deer (https://flic.kr/p/Y8CdxQ) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

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100% Crop

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Original

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Desired Crop

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Then the sun came out.

The AF worked a treat its great to be able to compose right and left of the frame with F8 on a teleconverter and these shots are certainly better than my 7DMKII would be, the only benefit is that you can shoot at F5.6 at a similar range with full AF speed so I don't think it would replace a good crop camera for wildlife but it would certainly do the job.

One thing I did find is the shutter does ping a little more than the 5DMKIII and 7DMKII so you have to be careful with your shutter speed. It doesn't feel quite as refined as either of the other 2 cameras.

Overall I am super happy with the results, they are incredibly sharp although I do think that the 100-400 with the 1.4 needs a little AFMA so will sort when focal is updated. Even with the 1.4 the cameras focus acquisition was really fast and accurate I wasn't really worried about it missing compared to using a 1.4 on my 5DMKIII or 7DMKII. The ISO looks great and a little work it would come up a treat I just want to show you what its like straight out of camera. The handling is very similar to a 5 series the slightly lower weight of the body with a larger lens doesn't really make much difference, not as noticeable as the 24-70  the 100-400 feels nice and balanced.

The extra MP really helps with cropping too you can get some fantastic images by cropping a long way into the image. The sensor really feels sharp with my L lenses and is a real benefit, you won't be wishing for sharpness. I didn't have any trouble with DR was well within tolerance here as the light was so flat until later on in the images.

Hope you like the images and that it helps if you like to go and shoot wildlife also!

I went to another deer park called Dunham Massey in Cheshire a few days before where the deer played ,much nicer and you could fill the frame. I haven't managed to edit these yet but they are seriously sharp ideal conditions and super impressed. Some are also in wooded areas with a huge range of DR with shards of light, soft dark areas then in the background really bright areas. Handled it really well. I also shot with the bare 100-400 because I didn't really have need to use the 1.4.... wow is it a good combo.

I also went to Hadrian's wall to Housesteads (A Roma fort) near Hexam in Northumberland and walked on around a 20km round trip walk to view the Sycamore Gap. It is a large tree in-between a large dip in the wall and was the set to a scene in Robin Hood. I got some nice images but again went casually with a friend so middle of the day so harsh light but shows what the camera can do as a casual shooting camera... really what its designed for.

Also shot a few selfies along the way with the flip screen which was a novelty compared to using an iPhone. The main thing I like about it is its just a great portable camera, take it anywhere kind of camera and tbh if I'm out with friends I usually leave the DSLR at home and use my iPhone. I use it all day every day usually, sometimes its nice to actually take in what your seeing rather than concentrate on photography! It was really great to take it along to do both its not really that heavy or a burden.

Will update in due course.

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: stevelee on September 04, 2017, 07:49:17 PM
Those are quite impressive pictures, and obviously from a nice lens and camera body.

But I can see the expressions on the faces of the deer, some derision, but mostly pity. The poor human doesn't even have on-chip ADC.

A camera with decent DR would show all of the predators lurking in the shadows back in the woods.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: tomscott on September 04, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
Here are the images from Dunham Massey

Dunham Massey is home to 4 types of Fallow deer:

Common: Chestnut coat with white mottles, it is most pronounced in summer with a much darker, unspotted coat in the winter. The light-coloured area around the tail is edged with black. The tail is light with a black stripe.

Menil: Spots are more distinct than common in summer and no black is seen around the rump patch or on the tail. In winter, spots are still clear on a darker brown coat.

Melanistic (black): All-year the coat is black shading to greyish brown. No light-coloured tail patch or spots are seen.

Leucistic (white, but not albino): Fawns are cream-coloured; adults become pure white, especially in winter. Dark eyes and nose are seen, with no spots

If your wondering, the skin that is shedding off the antlers is the velvet that sheds once they are fully formed.

These are the more common deer and not scared of humans at all and were obviously very used to people in this national trust park. Was a lot of fun and would definetly recommend going, although it does take the fun out of the chase... good for testing the camera tho.

Colour looks fantastic out of camera, I used spot meter most of the day because of the difficult lighting conditions and apart from one shot that I got wrong it performed perfectly. The one I got wrong was of the Melanistic under the canopy. I accidentally swapped from spot to evaluative from a previous image. So there you go everyone makes mistakes and tbh it has edited really well for a 3200ISO image! Plenty of latitude.

Most shot with bare 100-400mm MKII I've added 100% crops. As usual all are full res you can zoom on Flickr to see 100%.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36636550090_c9fd4fb6b0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XPrTWJ)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/XPrTWJ) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36862262752_1110446100_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YaoJsm)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/YaoJsm) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4440/36225467843_1c1e7e08ae_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7ZvM)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7ZvM) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4376/36197944164_607a32235e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X9FVFA)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/X9FVFA) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4427/36197936794_c29f727d1a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X9FTuw)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire 100% Crop (https://flic.kr/p/X9FTuw) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

100% Crop

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4354/36225458093_b19f5d122d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7WBF)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7WBF) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4345/36197922604_e08c97eb65_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X9FPgS)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/X9FPgS) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4392/36197915484_0385a47103_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X9FMa7)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/X9FMa7) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4388/36225443393_b79df15c26_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7Sfe)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire 100% crop (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7Sfe) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

100% Crop

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4381/36636524050_854b320f03_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XPrLcL)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/XPrLcL) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4406/36862231382_4dd33ceeb9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yaoz8u)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Yaoz8u) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4347/37033116305_299517bedd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yqupgg)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Yqupgg) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4388/36862224882_c5bfdd7809_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yaoxcq)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Yaoxcq) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/37033107905_dc2a511a2f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqumLr)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/YqumLr) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4391/37033097935_25cfc3acfb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YquiNx)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/YquiNx) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4352/37033092365_4a96be101a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yquh9v)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Yquh9v) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4389/36892288931_76b172aefc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yd3Cc6)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire 100% crop (https://flic.kr/p/Yd3Cc6) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4397/36225414933_98146a8c36_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7HMx)Dragon Fly, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7HMx) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4401/36197883834_188d34a135_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/X9FBKq)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/X9FBKq) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4345/36892215041_333648c58e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yd3fe8)Melanistic Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire out of camera (https://flic.kr/p/Yd3fe8) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4430/36225406123_32238d77bb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7FaD)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Xc7FaD) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4390/36636489360_e772a204ef_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XPrzTE)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/XPrzTE) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

Shot this one with the 1.4x

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4355/37033077995_557f3d2438_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqucSK)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/YqucSK) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

This one is 5000ISO! Looks fantastic!

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4361/37033068355_c097361d7b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yqua1x)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Yqua1x) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4345/36845021136_566ea76e10_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Y8Sn87)Fallow Deer, Dunham Massey, Cheshire (https://flic.kr/p/Y8Sn87) by Tom Scott (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomscottphotography/), on Flickr

The images speak for themselves really... the more I shoot with it the more I like it :D

Next I'm going to take the camera out to do some astro and landscape camera see how it does but I don't think it will have any issues at all.

Hope you like the images

Cheers

Tom
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: Jack Douglas on September 05, 2017, 01:08:28 AM
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: tomscott on September 05, 2017, 03:46:13 AM
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

Jack

Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: Jack Douglas on September 05, 2017, 12:00:39 PM
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

Jack

Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)

6D sold but waiting for hopefully better pricing since it'll be a second camera.

When someone, in this case you, displays the goods it sure makes the bashers, "6D2 is garbage", look like fools.  It's hours of fretting and bashing vs. hours of picture taking fun.   You should be a Canon Ambassador.  ;)

Jack

Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: tomscott on September 05, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Hey Tom, really nice images.  While others fret about specs you clearly are getting the job done.  I don't understand why so many categorize it as not a worthy step up from the 6D.  I have no regrets having sold my 6D to get it in due course.

Jack

Thanks jack.

I just think its a really fun camera, I dont have any experience with the MKI but I cant see how anyone would really dislike using this camera. Glad your enjoying yours aswell!  :)

6D sold but waiting for hopefully better pricing since it'll be a second camera.

When someone, in this case you, displays the goods it sure makes the bashers, "6D2 is garbage", look like fools.  It's hours of fretting and bashing vs. hours of picture taking fun.   You should be a Canon Ambassador.  ;)

Jack

Ah sorry thought you had bought one!

Well I just think its a shame and IMO images speak much more than words. Shot about 15k with it already! Its not worth the worry is it! More fun being out doing what you enjoy with something you can rely on!.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: Talys on September 09, 2017, 03:26:41 AM
The deer pictures are great!  Thank you for sharing them :)
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: Ivan Muller on September 21, 2017, 11:00:23 AM
hi Tom, nice images! Also nice to hear a Pro's thoughts on a camera, usually vastly different from the 'professional reviewers'

I am glad you are happy with the 6d2 and that it is mostly an improvement over the 5d3.

Except for perhaps the bump in resolution and improvement in outer AF points , you could actually have been describing the 'old 6D' ! Which, of course, makes it even more difficult to decide if the 6D2 is worth it....although I do remember how much more refined the 6D felt at the time compared to my 5d2 ... but my thoughts also keep on turning to perhaps a 2nd hand 5Ds or R instead of a new 6d2...?



Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: Jack Douglas on September 21, 2017, 02:06:22 PM
The real problem is that most of us have to be pretty careful with our $$.  Otherwise, of course it's worth it since there are a number of very nice things you get; DPAF, AF points, resolution, flip screen, etc. 

Why do $$ have to always get in the way! ;)

Jack
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: tomscott on September 29, 2017, 11:06:52 AM
hi Tom, nice images! Also nice to hear a Pro's thoughts on a camera, usually vastly different from the 'professional reviewers'

I am glad you are happy with the 6d2 and that it is mostly an improvement over the 5d3.

Except for perhaps the bump in resolution and improvement in outer AF points , you could actually have been describing the 'old 6D' ! Which, of course, makes it even more difficult to decide if the 6D2 is worth it....although I do remember how much more refined the 6D felt at the time compared to my 5d2 ... but my thoughts also keep on turning to perhaps a 2nd hand 5Ds or R instead of a new 6d2...?

Thanks Ivan, appreciate your comments.

I also considered a 5DSR but the files are just too big for the work I do and rarely would need the resolution. My computer crawls in lightroom with the 5DMKIII and 6DMKII files let alone twice the size.
Title: Re: First 6DMKII photoshoot (WEDDING P3, DEER P6)
Post by: yjchua95 on March 06, 2018, 06:43:34 AM
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I do agree that the lack of DR on the 6D Mk2 has been overhyped.

I've a 6D2 myself (upgraded from 60D) and it has performed very well for me.

Here's some shots I took. No post processing was done.

Birds were taken with a Tamron 70-300 VC USD, the dragonfly was taken with a 100mm f/2.8L IS USM macro.