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Title: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: poker_jake85 on March 12, 2012, 03:07:02 PM
Just wondering if anyone has cancelled their mk III pre-order for Nikons D800? I've been thinking about it since I'm only invested in canon with a 70-200 2.8 after selling my 60d and kit lens (for the mk iii).
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: XanuFoto on March 12, 2012, 07:16:55 PM
Up to you. I don't think the board can make that decision for your. You might need to spend some money on the extra disk, memory and computing power to handle the files.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on March 12, 2012, 07:40:15 PM
The D800 has some interesting features that i'd like to have, but the poor high ISO performance is not one of them.  If it were 22 mp and had two stops better, It would be a tougher decision.

For those who believe more mp is better, it might be the right product.  If its right for you, go for it.  Adorama has a 30 day return policy, so if it is disappointing, you can return it.

I have the 5D MK III pre-ordered, and, if its disappointing to me, I'll return it.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Jamesy on March 12, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
What is your rationale to consider switching systems?
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: 3kramd5 on March 12, 2012, 09:07:06 PM
The D800 has some interesting features that i'd like to have, but the poor high ISO performance is not one of them.  If it were 22 mp and had two stops better, It would be a tougher decision.

For those who believe more mp is better, it might be the right product.  If its right for you, go for it.  Adorama has a 30 day return policy, so if it is disappointing, you can return it.

I have the 5D MK III pre-ordered, and, if its disappointing to me, I'll return it.

That's where I am. I'll try it and ditch in favor of a mk2 and some new glass.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: KevinB on March 12, 2012, 09:45:03 PM
I did just the opposite, had the pre order for the D800 but sold my Nikon stuff and came back to Canon.. To each there own !!
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Jamesy on March 12, 2012, 09:46:37 PM
I did just the opposite, had the pre order for the D800 but sold my Nikon stuff and came back to Canon.. To each there own !!
Welcome to the light side!
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Seamus on March 12, 2012, 10:28:49 PM
What has happened that makes you want to switch? With nothing but opinion and rumor to go on, it seems a little hasty to make that decision. It won't be long until there are facts...
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: YellowJersey on March 12, 2012, 10:37:24 PM
I think it's premature and really rather silly to seriously consider going from Nikon to Canon or from Canon to Nikon before the 5D3 and D800 are actually released and more comprehensive reviews are posted. I'm of the opinion that, other than specs, most of the information we have is speculative and really not something to base a several thousand dollar purchase on. The prudent thing to do if you're thinking about it is to wait. The wait shouldn't be that long either, less than a month.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: erfon on March 13, 2012, 12:03:00 AM
I think it's premature and really rather silly to seriously consider going from Nikon to Canon or from Canon to Nikon before the 5D3 and D800 are actually released and more comprehensive reviews are posted. I'm of the opinion that, other than specs, most of the information we have is speculative and really not something to base a several thousand dollar purchase on. The prudent thing to do if you're thinking about it is to wait. The wait shouldn't be that long either, less than a month.

yeah i do too.  there are lots of people tossing around equations and obscure photo-physic calculations, but ultimately we just need the new cameras to be released into the real world so people can start hammering on them.

also, if you're not shooting a lot of landscape photos, the D800 might be overkill for you.  it creates approx 75 megabyte files — if you shoot 1500 images a wedding, well, you do the math.

i'm actually moving from nikon to canon (mark iii), because after 8 years with nikon and about 6 months of research, i've decided i like canon's lenses better.   nikon makes nice lenses, but in my opinion, canon's lenses create much more beautiful bokeh.


Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: poker_jake85 on March 13, 2012, 10:09:44 AM
Up to you. I don't think the board can make that decision for your. You might need to spend some money on the extra disk, memory and computing power to handle the files.

I built my own pc a few months back, 2 ATI 6950s, 8 gb RAM, Intel 2500k at 4.5 ghz, 2 TB hdd space, and 3 24" LG monitors.


What has happened that makes you want to switch? With nothing but opinion and rumor to go on, it seems a little hasty to make that decision. It won't be long until there are facts...

The main thing that worries me are their sample photos. They are way too soft and a majority of my photos are landscapes and want them as sharp as can be. The second is the price for what you get in each camera. If Canon's would have been 3000, I probably would have stuck with it but the D800 is $500 cheaper, better DR (less PP), better metering, not sure about the AF compared to the 5d Mk iii and I don't do a lot of low light shooting so ISO performance is moot. I picked up 3 pro nikon lenses, sb-700 and extra batteries for the same  price as the 5d mk III 2 lenses (24-105 & 100-400), 430exII and extra batteries and I still have my Canon 70-200 f2.8 for sale which should fetch atleast $800. Also, the DX mode of the nikon will be handy for the occasional airshow shooting where it is 5 fps and 6 with battery grip plus they are still at 16mp. But again the main thing that worried me was the softness of the canon photos so far, especially compared side by side with the D800.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: keithfullermusic on March 13, 2012, 11:30:12 AM
Look at the sample photos on the canon site for all their lenses and cameras.  About 90% of them look like crap, and taken by some dude on the street that they handed a camera to.

I agree that the pics a not that appetizing, but search Flickr for 5Dii pics and you will see that they are incredible.  I have a hard time believing that canon didn't at least improve on them.

To me, everyone said that the 5D2 was the perfect camera minus AF and lower useable ISO.  It looks like the addressed that and much more.  I think the only thing people are bummed about is the huge price increase, and the fact that it is pricier than its Nikon rival.  I think Canon must be pretty sure of HW sweet this thing is to price it where they did.

But, who knows. In the end I think they are probably both going to be amazing cameras and ones that a good photographer will be able to take amazing pics with.  I don't see a reason to switch, but then again I am heavily invested in Canon with lens, flashes, triggers, etc.  I also love the Canon system on the camera, and I don't want to learn a new one.

Either way I think you will be happy with either camera and some good glass.  I'm not even considering switching, but I don't think I can blame someone for doing it.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: poker_jake85 on March 13, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
But, who knows. In the end I think they are probably both going to be amazing cameras and ones that a good photographer will be able to take amazing pics with.  I don't see a reason to switch, but then again I am heavily invested in Canon with lens, flashes, triggers, etc.  I also love the Canon system on the camera, and I don't want to learn a new one.

Either way I think you will be happy with either camera and some good glass.  I'm not even considering switching, but I don't think I can blame someone for doing it.

I have no doubt both will be great cameras and get the job done. It was just scary to see the sample photos of the 5d mk III. Plus Glacier and Yellowstone will prove to be a nice test for the D800 later this year.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: erfon on March 13, 2012, 06:04:40 PM

...a majority of my photos are landscapes and want them as sharp as can be.

yeah, if it were me and I were mostly landscape, the D800e will probably be my machine.  Canon simply has nothing like it.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Kernuak on March 13, 2012, 06:32:08 PM

The main thing that worries me are their sample photos. They are way too soft and a majority of my photos are landscapes and want them as sharp as can be.

I would strongly advise you to look very closely at the corners of the D800 and D800E samples before jumping. I think there are going to be a relatively small number of lenses that are good enough in the corners to make use of the 36 MP. Bear in mind also, that every one of the D800(E) sample images (or at least the landscapes) are at f/8, close to the sweet spot of many lenses. Use of narrower apertures to get sufficient depth of field will likely result in even softer corners.

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If Canon's would have been 3000, I probably would have stuck with it but the D800 is $500 cheaper, better DR (less PP), better metering, not sure about the AF compared to the 5d Mk iii.

Nobody actually knows this for sure yet. I certainly wouldn't be comfortable making an assessment based on the few sample images around.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Arjay on March 13, 2012, 07:19:11 PM

The main thing that worries me are their sample photos. They are way too soft and a majority of my photos are landscapes and want them as sharp as can be. The second is the price for what you get in each camera. ...

I too am surprised at how soft the jpgs are,
taking the samples from imaging-resource,
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-mkiii/canon-5d-mkiiiTHMB.HTM (http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-5d-mkiii/canon-5d-mkiiiTHMB.HTM)
you can work with the raw files and they can be a whole lot sharper.

(I don't have proper software to develop the raw, but even with what I have, the difference is striking)
5D mark III  ISO 100
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: Edwin Herdman on March 13, 2012, 08:27:13 PM
The D800 has some interesting features that i'd like to have, but the poor high ISO performance is not one of them.  If it were 22 mp and had two stops better, It would be a tougher decision.
Why would it be a harder decision?  In that case, if you liked USB 3, XQD, and the Nikon ergonomics *that much,* then maybe.

The Nikon D800 (and D800E) would be more compelling if it was able to offer a higher shot rate or higher ISO while maintaining the same large file size.  If you don't need 36MP, you can always crop, after all.

Personally, can't wait until 36MP cameras are more common from Canon - especially when data rates are there to support it.
Title: Re: Cancelled 5d mk III pre-order for D800?
Post by: birdman on March 14, 2012, 05:19:56 PM
Up to you. I don't think the board can make that decision for your. You might need to spend some money on the extra disk, memory and computing power to handle the files.

I built my own pc a few months back, 2 ATI 6950s, 8 gb RAM, Intel 2500k at 4.5 ghz, 2 TB hdd space, and 3 24" LG monitors.


--I did the same. Core i7 2600, 8GB Ram, Geforce 470; 2TB 6GB/s HDD; Gigabyte Z68 UD4 with USB 3.0 ports.
I think this mates very, very, very well with D800 (which I have on preorder). I currently own the 5d2 and some decent glass (2 L lenses); I also own some Nikon primes and the Tokina 28-70/2.6-2.8 in Nikon mount.

I will test out for a week or so, compare with my 5d2, and see which I think is the better overall system. I will NOT get the 5d3, but will simply upgrade glass with money I was going to spend switching systems. I don't care for the fact that Nikon has such a gaping hole in their 70-200 lens lineup, and that their 300/4 is not offered in VR form. Sad, really. But I am a landscape guy and although 70-200 range is useful, it is my least used range in pictures.

Why not the 5d3? I think it's a marginal upgrade in low ISO (100-400) and overall IQ. The 5d2 is still very capable and I have not mastered it yet. If the D800 blows me away in all areas, Nikon it is. I love Canon, but I also want and demand the very best for MY DOLLAR!!