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Title: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Daniel Flather on April 02, 2012, 02:32:58 PM
Go to the CF menu, second one, custom controls.  Then, go to the one in the right column, at the bottom, called Multi-Controller AF point direct selection.  Its default is off, hit it and select AF point direct selection.  Now focus the camera and move the Multi controller (joy stick), you can select the AF point with out going in to a menu! 

If this has been covered, great, but I just noticed it from a post to something in another thread.


Note, I only use spot AF and have the other modes turned off.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: neuroanatomist on April 02, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
Indeed.  That's what I did on my 7D, 5DII, and will do on my 1D X.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Dianoda on April 02, 2012, 03:39:22 PM
Now focus the camera and move the Multi controller (joy stick), you can select the AF point with out going in to a menu! 

I've had it set up that way on my 7D pretty much since I got it - actually I can't remember ever setting the AF point any other way.  Ha, more than anything, I was surprised to hear that multi-controller AF point selection isn't the default setting.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: samthefish on April 02, 2012, 03:54:02 PM
Well learn something new every day.  I have the 7D and was wondering why people made a big deal about AF point selection because it seemed too cumbersome to use for me.  This seems like the way to set it.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Daniel Flather on April 02, 2012, 04:02:57 PM
Really, this should be the default, not the option.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: dunkers on April 02, 2012, 05:24:09 PM
I think the reason that this isn't the default setting is because some people may brush against the controls and accidentally move the AF point without realizing it. Then when you bring up your camera for a shot, your focus is off b/c the AF point moved.

I also think that a lot of people only use center point focus, so they don't have the need to switch the AF points.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: wickidwombat on April 02, 2012, 07:45:16 PM
yep this is the best way to use it I have all mine setup like this
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Jamesy on April 02, 2012, 08:10:19 PM
Thanks for that tip - mine is now set this way.

One more pointer about this configuration, all you have to do is push in on the multi-controller while adjusting focus points and it will switch between center focus and the offset point - pretty sweet!
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: jalbfb on April 02, 2012, 09:11:32 PM
And if you push the multi-controller straight in, if you had moved the center AF point to another position, it brings it right back to the center.  So those who have reported having trouble with moving the focal pointer saying they have to push too many buttons in previous posts probably were never aware of this or discovered it. Make for a nice and easier management of AF. Make sure you make whatever you prefer as an AF setting your "registered AF point."  (Select an AF setting your use most of the time, hold down the AF selection button on the back and then the top LCD Light button and what for a small beep and you're "registered."
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: jrista on April 02, 2012, 09:39:04 PM
This post should be stickied! I have the 7D, but never realized this was an option. :D
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Daniel Flather on April 02, 2012, 10:17:00 PM
And if you push the multi-controller straight in, if you had moved the center AF point to another position, it brings it right back to the center. 

Yes, and if you push straight in again it goes back the the AF point you were just using. 
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: msdarkroom on April 03, 2012, 12:27:02 AM
This post should be stickied! I have the 7D, but never realized this was an option. :D


+1
And I read the manual.
More than once.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: JerryKnight on April 03, 2012, 12:40:04 AM
This post should be stickied! I have the 7D, but never realized this was an option. :D


+1
And I read the manual.
More than once.

See, the way the Custom Functions used to work, you could scroll through one list of C.Fn's and read their titles and quickly have an idea of what's customizable. The 7D/5D3 menus seem to make quite a bit of options incredibly non-obvious.

The only way I knew about this was from the 5D classic and 5D2 setup, so I immediately went into the 5D3 options for this and eventually found it in that Custom Controls menu.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: JerryKnight on April 03, 2012, 12:42:11 AM
And if you push the multi-controller straight in, if you had moved the center AF point to another position, it brings it right back to the center. 

Yes, and if you push straight in again it goes back the the AF point you were just using.

jalbfb is correct. Clicking the multi-controller centers your focus point. It doesn't go back to the one you were using previously.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Bosman on April 03, 2012, 01:02:05 AM
And if you push the multi-controller straight in, if you had moved the center AF point to another position, it brings it right back to the center. 

Yes, and if you push straight in again it goes back the the AF point you were just using.

jalbfb is correct. Clicking the multi-controller centers your focus point. It doesn't go back to the one you were using previously.
Actually Mr Knight it does, just push it again and it will go to whatever of center point position you had it.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Bosman on April 03, 2012, 01:04:00 AM
Go to the CF menu, second one, custom controls.  Then, go to the one in the right column, at the bottom, called Multi-Controller AF point direct selection.  Its default is off, hit it and select AF point direct selection.  Now focus the camera and move the Multi controller (joy stick), you can select the AF point with out going in to a menu! 

If this has been covered, great, but I just noticed it from a post to something in another thread.


Note, I only use spot AF and have the other modes turned off.
I believe it was an option after a firmware update for my old 5D and i loved it so much as soon as i got my 1dm3 I set that up the same way, same thing with the 5dm3, one of the first things i did is set that up. It makes so much sense.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: mrmarks on April 03, 2012, 01:14:46 AM
This is on page 326 of the manual under "AF point direct selection"
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: prestonpalmer on April 03, 2012, 05:12:09 AM
I set this up before I took a picture with it :) same on my 5d2 and 7d
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Waiting on Godot on April 03, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
Wow. Despite reading the manual, I was totally oblivious to this incredibly useful tip. My 20D had the old school scroll-through-the-custom-functions menu.


While we're on the topic, what are some other highly useful tweaks and tips that are assumed knowledge? I think we'll be surprised to see how many people were otherwise unaware.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: jalbfb on April 03, 2012, 09:14:03 AM
And if you push the multi-controller straight in, if you had moved the center AF point to another position, it brings it right back to the center. 

Yes, and if you push straight in again it goes back the the AF point you were just using.

I didn't realize this but found it out last night by playing around.  Thanks, Dan. :)
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Dianoda on April 03, 2012, 11:04:18 AM
While we're on the topic, what are some other highly useful tweaks and tips that are assumed knowledge? I think we'll be surprised to see how many people were otherwise unaware.

I expect most of us are already well aware of this, but if you aren't, try setting the AF-on button to AF-start and decoupling AF-start from the shutter half press (switch the half-press from AF + metering start to just metering start) - this arrangement is one of the major advantages of the mid and high-end bodies over the Rebels and gives you a great deal more control over AF in use.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Jamesy on April 03, 2012, 12:31:53 PM
A quick question regarding the Registered AF point on p.324 of the manual. I don't have my camera with me to try at the moment and have been meaning to test it.

Why is a registered AF point useful, will the camera change from whatever focusing mode it is in to the registered one with the touch of a button?
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: KeithR on April 03, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Why is a registered AF point useful, will the camera change from whatever focusing mode it is in to the registered one with the touch of a button?

The AF mode doesn't change, but the beauty of the registered AF point (and I use this option all the time) is that simply by turning the camera from landscape to portrait orientation, the AF point will instantly jump to the preselected position you've already decided is best for portrait mode; and when you rotate the camera back to landscape, the AF point goes right back to where it had been when you were shooting in that orientation.

Shooting birds for example, this ability saves vital seconds which can make the difference between getting the shot and not.

Mind you, it'd be more useful again if the 7D's grip had a built-in joystick a la 5D Mk III so that you could fine-tune the AF point selection in portrait; but even without that, the automatic switching to pre-chosen AF points is a Godsend.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: jalbfb on April 04, 2012, 10:43:45 AM
Canon has released a download on using the AF system in the 1Dx which is applicable to the 5D3. They give examples of suggesting setting for different scenarios, etc.  A little more practical detail than the operating manual.  In looking at this I also stumbled across this article-  http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_multiple_af_points.shtml (http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/5d3_multiple_af_points.shtml)

And here is Canon's download:  http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/1dx_guidebook.shtml?categoryId=12 (http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2012/1dx_guidebook.shtml?categoryId=12)

I know this is getting a little side tracked from the thread topic but I think they are nice resources to have and explain the AF system better.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: LIsnap on April 04, 2012, 11:37:31 AM
This is great!  Thanks.  I too missed it in the manual.  I'm coming from the 50D and this feature is new to me.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Daniel Flather on April 04, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
This is great!  Thanks.  I too missed it in the manual.  I'm coming from the 50D and this feature is new to me.

50D here too, what a jump, eh?
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: eeek on April 04, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
Good info.  But the topic sounds like something I would get spammed with.  Ha!
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Jamesy on April 04, 2012, 12:17:05 PM
This is great!  Thanks.  I too missed it in the manual.  I'm coming from the 50D and this feature is new to me.

50D here too, what a jump, eh?
40D here so the AF system is light years ahead of what I am used to!
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: EvilTed on April 05, 2012, 07:19:22 PM
Awesome, that's a cool tip, thnx m8 ;)
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: millan on April 13, 2012, 07:44:26 AM
My old 20D selects the centre AF point when the multi controller (joy stick) is pressed. It is very convenient, when I have to quickly move the AF point to the edge position.  Does the 5D3 work the same way?
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: fraxs on April 13, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
50D here too, what a jump, eh?

I'm coming from 500D thats a huge jump! I was really in trouble to focus a rabbit yesterday in AI-Servo. I've got to play this whole weekend.

It's normal that the images looks soft in the cam-preview? I thought my 24-105 oder 70/200 4 is out of focus...
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: Jamesy on April 13, 2012, 08:40:04 AM
My old 20D selects the centre AF point when the multi controller (joy stick) is pressed. It is very convenient, when I have to quickly move the AF point to the edge position.  Does the 5D3 work the same way?
Yes. I have a 5D3 and 40D. on the 40D you would push in on the joystick and that would center the point from whereever it was. The 5D3 does this too but has the added benefit of having another push put it back to where it was.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: darash on April 13, 2012, 10:29:16 AM
50D here too, what a jump, eh?

I'm coming from 500D thats a huge jump! I was really in trouble to focus a rabbit yesterday in AI-Servo. I've got to play this whole weekend.

It's normal that the images looks soft in the cam-preview? I thought my 24-105 oder 70/200 4 is out of focus...

I jump from a 500D too. Did you compare samples from both camera? I feel that the images were shaper with my old 500D... or could i be reading too much forums in CR??? lol...
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: fraxs on April 13, 2012, 12:01:12 PM
I feel that the images were shaper with my old 500D... or could i be reading too much forums in CR??? lol...

Darash: Oh i think now it's really sharp. No sharpening in post-processing on this image! EF 70-200 F4 at Iso 800 1/160. 
 ;)

I think the main problem was the person behind the cam  :-[
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: suburbia on April 13, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
Its the feature that brings the camera as close as possible to the eye controlled focus of the beloved EOS 3!

I just wish it would scroll smoothly and quickly through the focus points if holding the joystick in a direction rather than having to tap it for each focus point jump.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: 3scapePhotos on April 13, 2012, 12:09:51 PM
Thanks for the tip.. I saw it in the manual, but didn't set it because I wasn't sure if I wanted to see all the focus points in my frame all the time.  So, question is, what are all your VF settings?  Focus points all on, all off, or some variation?

btw... I'm coming from a 40D, and wow.. what a great camera. All those complaining about AF should really RTFM.
Title: Re: Best 5d3 custom function AF point selection quick!
Post by: waving_odd on April 13, 2012, 01:17:26 PM
While we're on the topic, what are some other highly useful tweaks and tips that are assumed knowledge? I think we'll be surprised to see how many people were otherwise unaware.

Does anyone know if we can do 1-step control over AF Area Selection Mode (vs. 2-step control on p. 73)?  I want to have a quick way to switch between One-Shot AF (coupled with Single-Point AF) AI Servo AF (associated with AF Point Expansion).  With a configured DOF button to toggle (technically not toggling since holding down is AI Servo while releasing is One-Shot) between One-Shot and AI Servo, I want to do similar 1-step toggle between Single-Point AF and AF Point Expansion (or other AF Area modes that are beneficial to AI Servo).  Is it possible?  Does anyone have other alternatives?

I expect most of us are already well aware of this, but if you aren't, try setting the AF-on button to AF-start and decoupling AF-start from the shutter half press (switch the half-press from AF + metering start to just metering start) - this arrangement is one of the major advantages of the mid and high-end bodies over the Rebels and gives you a great deal more control over AF in use.

I am going to try this to see if it's easier to do AE-Lock and Recompose/AF.  I'd imagine your described way is clicking AF-on button to AF first followed by recomposing/half-pressing-shutter to meter, right?