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Rumors => EOS Bodies => Topic started by: Canon Rumors on February 02, 2011, 05:03:50 PM

Title: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Canon Rumors on February 02, 2011, 05:03:50 PM

Hmmmmm

There was a rumor in the past that I said came from the “land of crazy“. After the post a few people piped up and said there was actually something to the rumor.


The person that originally sent me the info also gave me two hints today based on the invititation sent to Swedish journalists.


1) Pay attention to the low light situation of the image.


2) The Number Six and Feng Shui symbols http://www.squidoo.com/feng-shui-symbols



CR’s Take

Do I think Canon’s marketing department is creative enough to have deep meanings in the images on invitations? In a word, no.


However, I have never had a source be so adamant that what is being told to us is true. I’m hoping for some additional information from other sources.


I do want to thank the source for their continued good humor, I am enjoying it.


cr


Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: william on February 02, 2011, 05:13:38 PM
Well,
Been lurking here for a while and as a 40D user been wanting a FF to replace it. 40D is sick and needs to see the DR. Will wait to see what happens before i sent him off.
Thanks,
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Sean Nel on February 02, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
Erm... so... is there a link to/image of this "invite" with all the mystic scribbles? so that we can all speculate together?


:D



Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Canon Rumors on February 02, 2011, 05:21:55 PM
Erm... so... is there a link to/image of this "invite" with all the mystic scribbles? so that we can all speculate together?


:D

Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Wahoowa on February 02, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
After reading a lot of rumors here lately, it sounds to me like there will be two mid-level FF cameras from Canon:

1) a body that has higher resolution (~24MP or so) that is a replacement of 5DII, and
2) a body that has lower resolution (~16.7MP) that has better noise control at high ISO.

I really want a new FF body to kick my 7D to my backup body, but I may have to be patient to see what Canon will do this year.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Flake on February 02, 2011, 05:52:49 PM
Storks symbolise the comming of a new baby, also the rebirth of nature after winter
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Jan on February 02, 2011, 06:30:47 PM
Hum... low light situation? I can see a bright sky behind the few clouds. May be this is a low light condition for a 1/2.3" sensor...
Me neither believes in a deeper meaning. They just thought: "oh, look at these beautiful storks!"

But let's see what's happening.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: foobar on February 02, 2011, 06:42:10 PM
I don't think there's a hidden meaning behind all this. If there is, the 6 would probably stand for the 600D, because a 6D wouldn't make much sense in the current lineup - the 5D2 already is the "baby FF camera", with most of it's specs bested by the "old" 50D (except for the sensor and some software features like video).

If this was Apple, there sure would be a hidden meaning behind it, but I can't remember seeing Canon doing stuff like that.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: bk1e on February 02, 2011, 06:43:14 PM
So, what kind of birds are these? Storks? Herons? Cranes? I hope that this isn't about an "egrettable" new camera.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: DJL329 on February 02, 2011, 06:46:31 PM
So, what kind of birds are these? Storks? Herons? Cranes? I hope that this isn't about an "egrettable" new camera.

They are Great Egrets.  D'oh!  ;)
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: logaandm on February 02, 2011, 07:21:37 PM
Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

3. The photograph of the cranes is taken in low light with a very wide angle lens.

4. The only low light wide angle lens is the 16-35 f2.8 and it is only wide angle on a FF body.

Therefore, new camera is FF. Eithere that or they are going to announce a new printer.

Now if I could only count the pixels.....
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Isurus on February 02, 2011, 10:13:23 PM
I'd say that the 24mm f/1.4 L II is also a low light wide-angle, even more so than that 16-35 actually.  Although, it is still only wide on a FF.

I'm still guessing it is just a printer and possibly a rebel.  Maybe they printed the invite on the new printer or something.  I just have a hard time believing they'll be announcing a new FF camera within a week without any leaks of the body yet.  With the Internet the way it is now, pretty much everything leaks before hand (see Apple products, for example).


Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

3. The photograph of the cranes is taken in low light with a very wide angle lens.

4. The only low light wide angle lens is the 16-35 f2.8 and it is only wide angle on a FF body.

Therefore, new camera is FF. Eithere that or they are going to announce a new printer.

Now if I could only count the pixels.....
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: kubelik on February 02, 2011, 10:30:27 PM
the canon 10-22 at the f/3.5 end isn't really much slower than a f/2.8 and would be ultra-wide on a crop body.

so the fact that it's wide angle doesn't really tell us anything.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: daniel charms on February 03, 2011, 01:28:09 AM
Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

An interesting conjecture, except the photo was taken at least a year ago - it was also used in an announcement (http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/46739.htm) for an exhibition of Brutus Östling's (the author of the photo) works taking place in summer 2010, published at the end of April. Could this hypothetical camera really have existed already a year ago? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: JRSJ on February 03, 2011, 01:42:05 AM
Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

An interesting conjecture, except the photo was taken at least a year ago - it was also used in an announcement (http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/46739.htm) for an exhibition of Brutus Östling's (the author of the photo) works taking place in summer 2010, published at the end of April. Could this hypothetical camera really have existed already a year ago? I have no idea.


SNAP!

Open and shut case, Johnson. ;)
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: edphoto on February 03, 2011, 02:12:32 AM
Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

An interesting conjecture, except the photo was taken at least a year ago - it was also used in an announcement (http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/46739.htm) for an exhibition of Brutus Östling's (the author of the photo) works taking place in summer 2010, published at the end of April. Could this hypothetical camera really have existed already a year ago? I have no idea.


SNAP!

Open and shut case, Johnson. ;)

Jip, besides the fact that this image is a year old, the brightness of the gold/yellow colouration on the egret closest to the camera is completely different to the other birds, the sun direction is also coming from the right side of the camera and the shadows are quite a bit brighter, tells me that either a speedlight with a gel or a reflector was used (nice model... ;) ) to light the egret.

Low light, no ways, my 350D could pull this off with a 10-22mm on easily!

I reckon its gonna be a printer  :'(
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Grummbeerbauer on February 03, 2011, 02:19:40 AM
I guess the "land of the crazy" spec list would make a lot of people in Canon land really happy, as this one would finally be an answer to Nikon's D700 which beats 5DII in every aspect except resolution (and, oh yes, and the video feature, about which I don't care, though).
What I don't like about the spec list is the quoted price - the only area where this rumored body clearly beats the 2,5 years old D700 is resolution (and only barely), they can't be asking over 1500$ more than the MSRP(!) of the D700. However, if at least after they ripped of the early adopters, this body would end up somewhere in the area of <3500$ (or for us Europeans in the <2800€ range, mind you, the 5DII is <1900€ at the moment!), it might stop me from considering switching to the yellow camp.
Considering the pricing of the 7D against the D300s, we know that the Canon executives have indeed not lost all touch with reality, so a more reasonable price is a possibility. If, however, they stick to their strategy of "protecting" their holy cow 1D(s) series by a combination of overpricing and/or underspecing other bodies, I and probably many others will join the crowd that already jumped ship.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: martijn on February 03, 2011, 03:03:17 AM
I remember there was a similar situation about a year ago, with a similar invite from Canon Sweden, with pictures of the invitation card and with similar discussions, conjectures and hopes being expressed on the forums.

It turned out to be for an introduction of new pro (printshop) printers.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Sean Nel on February 03, 2011, 04:05:39 AM
I remember there was a similar situation ...

It turned out to be for an introduction of new pro (printshop) printers.


Hey!! Don't ruin our dreams!!!


 8)
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Flake on February 03, 2011, 06:01:33 AM
this one would finally be an answer to Nikon's D700 which beats 5DII in every aspect except resolution (and, oh yes, and the video feature, about which I don't care, though).


I sometimes wonder what planet some people are on!  Some of us believe that the colour rendition of the 5D MkII are very good, and the resolution is a major issue!

The much vaunted low light performance of the D700 is crippled by an autofocus at f/5.6 which gives up way before the 5D MkII with it's more sensitive f/2.8 centre spot.  A friend & I took both cameras out at night both of them had Sigma 70 - 200mm f/2.8 lenses on, she ended up so frustrated that the Nikon refused to focus lock on anything when the Canon was quite happily managing.

So where does the D700 outperform the 5D MkII?  Certainly not image quality which after all is what a camera is all about.  The focus system is better for action photography, but for studio and landscape the Canon is adequate enough.

So I'll ask the question again - where does the D700 outperform the 5D MkII ?
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Flake on February 03, 2011, 06:02:09 AM
BTW the Canon image is here http://obj.fotosidan.se/obj/docpart/3e/3ed0a5c3decfdbfd917915cb08fec949.jpg
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: tzalmagor on February 03, 2011, 07:47:26 AM
The much vaunted low light performance of the D700 is crippled by an autofocus at f/5.6 which gives up way before the 5D MkII with it's more sensitive f/2.8 centre spot.

An f/2.8 spot requires four times more light than an f/5.6 spot in order to work, so wouldn't it be *less* sensitive ?
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Flake on February 03, 2011, 07:52:16 AM
The much vaunted low light performance of the D700 is crippled by an autofocus at f/5.6 which gives up way before the 5D MkII with it's more sensitive f/2.8 centre spot.

An f/2.8 spot requires four times more light than an f/5.6 spot in order to work, so wouldn't it be *less* sensitive ?

Does it?  Why?  an f/2.8 lens lets in four times more light!
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: tzalmagor on February 03, 2011, 10:57:10 AM
The much vaunted low light performance of the D700 is crippled by an autofocus at f/5.6 which gives up way before the 5D MkII with it's more sensitive f/2.8 centre spot.

An f/2.8 spot requires four times more light than an f/5.6 spot in order to work, so wouldn't it be *less* sensitive ?

Does it?  Why?  an f/2.8 lens lets in four times more light!

As far as I understand, or maybe misunderstand, an f/2.8 spot is one that needs a lens with max aperature of f/2.8 (or wider) to work. That would mean that f/5.6 would not give it enough light to focus, while f/2.8 would.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: Flake on February 03, 2011, 11:28:52 AM
Not quite right, it does need a lens with an f/2.8 aperture to work, but that's partly because the AF system calculates depth of field more accurately.  It's also the reason why the Sigma f/1.4 performs worse on a Canon body than it does on a Nikon, which is less affected by the focus shift on stopping down.

The informal tests we did showed quite a bit of difference, as soon as we lost daylight and twighlight went a bit dark the Nikon just wouldn't focus on anything that wasn't under a street lamp, we never did find out where the Canon gave up, it didn't get dark enough!
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: neuroanatomist on February 03, 2011, 12:34:04 PM
The much vaunted low light performance of the D700 is crippled by an autofocus at f/5.6 which gives up way before the 5D MkII with it's more sensitive f/2.8 centre spot.  A friend & I took both cameras out at night both of them had Sigma 70 - 200mm f/2.8 lenses on, she ended up so frustrated that the Nikon refused to focus lock on anything when the Canon was quite happily managing.

I think this is a misunderstanding of the way the f/2.8 vs. f/5.6 AF points work.  There is a certain minimum amount of light an AF sensor needs to achieve a focus lock.  From your description, that threshold is higher for Nikon, meaning the Canon can AF in less light than the Nikon.  Low light AF performance derives from the sensitivity of the pixels in the AF sensor (usually reported as an EV value).   That sensitivity will apply to all of the AF points on the sensor, independent of orientation or whether the sensor is active with f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6, or f/8 light flux. 

Canon refers to the center f/2.8-sensitive AF point as 'high-precision' not 'high-sensitivity'.  The comments that the f/2.8 sensor is less sensitive are, in a way, correct - those sensors require more light to function, but with that additional light, they are able to deliver a more precise focus measurement.  Note that on the 1-series bodies, that high precision center AF point requires f/4 light flux, instead of f/2.8 light flux (i.e. it still requires more light than a f/5.6 point to achieve higher precision, but not as much more as the f/2.8 center points on lower level, non-1-series bodies).

Indirectly, there may be some benefit from the high-precision AF point for low-light AF - the f/2.8 sensor will achieve lock on a subject with lower contrast because it's using more of the available light (even though in absolute terms, it's less sensitive).
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: mikeeick on February 03, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
So, what kind of birds are these? Storks? Herons? Cranes? I hope that this isn't about an "egrettable" new camera.

They are Great Egrets.  D'oh!  ;)

YES, they are. Thank you! Finally one to name these birds right after all these comments with storks, cranes and so on.
(On the original photo there are in fact even some more species to see if you look closely: 3 Spoonbills on the right, 1 Grey Heron and some Grey Geese. No cranes, no storks... Unfortunately all of these birds are covered in the Canon invitation by the orange textbox.)

For all of you who want to learn more about the Great Egret or Great White Egret: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Egret (ftp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Egret)
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: gmrza on February 03, 2011, 09:43:26 PM
Sometimes it is right in front of your face....

1. Canon likely has shown a pictures from the advertising for the new camera.

2. Canon always has only photographs taken with the new body except for those photographs of the camera itself.

3. The photograph of the cranes is taken in low light with a very wide angle lens.

4. The only low light wide angle lens is the 16-35 f2.8 and it is only wide angle on a FF body.

Therefore, new camera is FF. Eithere that or they are going to announce a new printer.

Now if I could only count the pixels.....

I doubt the photo was shot with a wide angle lens.  At least in my opinion, the photo exhibits some
perspective compression, plus the point of view is almost on top of one of the egrets.  You would
need to be standing almost on top of the egret to shoot this with a wide angle.  If you did, you would
see perspective distortion from the wide angle.  Instead, the perspective is somewhat compressed.
I would say the should was taken with a telephoto, rather than a wide angle... - and I wouldn't
read anything into that either.
Title: Re: Deep Hidden Meanings? EOS 6D/3D?
Post by: able on February 05, 2011, 12:54:09 PM
I doubt the photo was shot with a wide angle lens.  At least in my opinion, the photo exhibits some
perspective compression, plus the point of view is almost on top of one of the egrets.  You would
need to be standing almost on top of the egret to shoot this with a wide angle.  If you did, you would
see perspective distortion from the wide angle.  Instead, the perspective is somewhat compressed.
I would say the should was taken with a telephoto, rather than a wide angle... - and I wouldn't
read anything into that either.

I agree about the telephoto. It's difficult to get close to birds for a wideangle shot unless the photographer sat in a blind and waited for the shot.

Could this be shot with a camera featuring a internal HDR option?