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Title: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on June 19, 2012, 02:51:06 AM
A few more 5D mkIII Shots =-)

(http://www.stockhammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/real-estate-photography-0013-1024x682.jpg)

(http://www.stockhammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/real-estate-photography-0014-1024x682.jpg)

(http://www.stockhammedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/real-estate-photography-0003-1024x682.jpg)

http://www.stockhammedia.com/photo/lauren-court/ (http://www.stockhammedia.com/photo/lauren-court/)
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on June 19, 2012, 10:33:26 PM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on June 20, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\

what would you use instead of photomatics?
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on June 20, 2012, 03:18:54 AM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\

what would you use instead of photomatics?

luminosity masks

http://www.goodlight.us/ (http://www.goodlight.us/)
he has updated his actions to a photoshop panel now which makes them easier

or even just mask blending

the things i hate about photomatix nik software etc and any tone mapping slidder app is

1) image fuzziness  no matter how hard you try the composite tone mapped image has this fuzziness to it (hard to quantify but it directly attributes part of that surreal look to the image)
2) halos they apear everywhere and are dead giveaways and sometimes really hard to get rid of
3) wild uncontrolable colour shifts, vegetation and people suffer the worst
4) dirty whites the clouds in that first shot are good example of this

revup manages to get some pretty decent results out of photomatix but still I would be very carefull about using that program with any images for paying clients
thing is with HDR the line between WOW and WOAH! is very very thin and also quite subjective

but have a read of those tutorials from tony its very informative
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on June 22, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\

what would you use instead of photomatics?

luminosity masks

http://www.goodlight.us/ (http://www.goodlight.us/)
he has updated his actions to a photoshop panel now which makes them easier

or even just mask blending

the things i hate about photomatix nik software etc and any tone mapping slidder app is

1) image fuzziness  no matter how hard you try the composite tone mapped image has this fuzziness to it (hard to quantify but it directly attributes part of that surreal look to the image)
2) halos they apear everywhere and are dead giveaways and sometimes really hard to get rid of
3) wild uncontrolable colour shifts, vegetation and people suffer the worst
4) dirty whites the clouds in that first shot are good example of this

revup manages to get some pretty decent results out of photomatix but still I would be very carefull about using that program with any images for paying clients
thing is with HDR the line between WOW and WOAH! is very very thin and also quite subjective

but have a read of those tutorials from tony its very informative

HDR is like any technique in photography, it's easy to try and abuse, but hard to master.  Here are a few images of mine that I tonemapped in photomatix.  I also do quite of bit of layering and masking in photoshop as well as other adjustments on a per image basis.  Some of the shots below are from paying real esate clients but most are from my fine art work just for illustrative purposes on the utility of multi exposure techniques (without which many of these shots would be impossible).

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7333213528_132095cebe_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/)
No Lines (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7131/6879988904_e603a0f993_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/6879988904/)
Ionic Jail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/6879988904/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5979038530_002fc99c9d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/)
Records from the Past (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5881674409_e9d01aea78_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/)
Teddy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5136/5420754982_7ef22836de_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/)
Picture in Picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/5112994935_7a736a3679_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/)
Organic Cooking (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4129/4840897023_0a63454e2d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/)
TiVo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3647/3286263771_42630a4972_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3286263771/)
real estate (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3286263771/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3569/3287080632_b1624953fc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3287080632/)
real estate (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3287080632/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3544/3287080338_173a376754_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3287080338/)
real estate (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/3287080338/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: dollyjackson on June 23, 2012, 05:20:01 AM
wow!..amazing.. I’ve no words to describe it.

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Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on June 24, 2012, 12:41:53 PM
I also forgot to mension that the I added the sky and clouds in. It was a super quite job which is what explains the halos.

Awesome shots by the way. Heavy HDR. But looks really nice. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on June 29, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
I also forgot to mension that the I added the sky and clouds in. It was a super quite job which is what explains the halos.

Awesome shots by the way. Heavy HDR. But looks really nice. Thanks for sharing.

how does quite explain halos?  doesn't really make any sense to me.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: RLPhoto on June 29, 2012, 11:11:58 AM
I can't recommend HDR for Commercial Real Estate photos. I prefer flash as it looks more natural and pleasing that HDR, Which always has lots of grey tones.

You also want to represent the house as accurately as possible within reason.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Rockets95 on June 29, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\

what would you use instead of photomatics?

Try the HDR built into the recent Canon DPP update. The good thing is it's free, and you can easily do some subtle looking HDR with presets. DPP certainly has it's critics on this site, but I keep going back to it for some basic edits and RAW conversions.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Dylan777 on June 29, 2012, 02:30:23 PM
Hi @!ex, Your HDR pics are amazing. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on June 29, 2012, 03:01:12 PM
I also forgot to mension that the I added the sky and clouds in. It was a super quite job which is what explains the halos.

Awesome shots by the way. Heavy HDR. But looks really nice. Thanks for sharing.

how does quite explain halos?  doesn't really make any sense to me.

Cause when i masked part of the sky out i didn't get tight on the house. it's a larger brush. thus you see a halo around the house where the real sky meets the new sky. those are very large halos that are very visible.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on June 29, 2012, 03:21:42 PM
are these for fun or commercial?

the HDR is not good, halos colour shifts etc
tell tale fuzziness and loss of IQ from photomatix rendering

 :-\

what would you use instead of photomatics?

Try the HDR built into the recent Canon DPP update. The good thing is it's free, and you can easily do some subtle looking HDR with presets. DPP certainly has it's critics on this site, but I keep going back to it for some basic edits and RAW conversions.

I will definitely try that. I know lots of people frown on dpp. but i like to use whatever works =-)



I can't recommend HDR for Commercial Real Estate photos. I prefer flash as it looks more natural and pleasing that HDR, Which always has lots of grey tones.

You also want to represent the house as accurately as possible within reason.

I'll do that for certain customers, but so far this company has been always wanting HDR specifically. I appreciate your input!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on June 29, 2012, 07:18:28 PM
Hi @!ex, Your HDR pics are amazing. Thanks for sharing

Thanks, many more on the flickr site...
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: SuperCrazySamurai on June 29, 2012, 09:51:44 PM
@!ex those pics are AMAZING! Well done!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on June 30, 2012, 01:04:15 AM
@!ex those pics are AMAZING! Well done!

Cheers!

Much appreciated.  Just having this creative outlet/hobby has made my life so much richer (as I'm sure it does for all of us shutter bugs).  Nice break from the day job.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 03, 2012, 02:57:35 AM
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revup manages to get some pretty decent results out of photomatix

..thanks for the plug Wicki :) 

Indeed all of the presets stink in Photomatix 4.2, yes all of them.  I've spent a bit of time adjust the sliders to get better results.  One thing I notice it almost always blows out the highlights.  So I created a few presets of my own that work sometimes on some pics but then again I have to adjust those as they may be too flat.  I have found taking 3 HDR's or more with P 4.2 is a waste.  I get better results with a single RAW then choose file|open and process only the single image.  This also saves on camera actuations.  Wicki's got some great points.  He's taught me a few good tricks also.. (10Q Wicki).  I don't particularly care for the 5D in camera HDR or DPP HDR as when it aligns photos it tends to crop off far too much vs. processing a single RAW which crops off nothing.  Why spend good money on a FF and nice UWA only to lose part of the shot?

I'm attaching a few of the presets I created in Photomatix..you may or may not like them so use at your own risk and rename to anything you like.  When you open Photomatix 4.2 there's a second vertical column adjacent to Process.  At the top of that outer most column click All / Import (see attached for image location screen capture and my presets in a zip)

PS I mostly use the attached presets as a starting point especially when P 4.2 overexposes.  From
there I tweak each image further until desired results are reached then saved as a TIFF and then open in ACDSee 5 and use lighting equalizers in there or in Lightroom 4.1.  I've only had these software apps about a month or so so still exploiting each of them. 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 03, 2012, 12:52:55 PM
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revup manages to get some pretty decent results out of photomatix

..thanks for the plug Wicki :) 

Indeed all of the presets stink in Photomatix 4.2, yes all of them.  I've spent a bit of time adjust the sliders to get better results.  One thing I notice it almost always blows out the highlights.  So I created a few presets of my own that work sometimes on some pics but then again I have to adjust those as they may be too flat.  I have found taking 3 HDR's or more with P 4.2 is a waste.  I get better results with a single RAW then choose file|open and process only the single image.  This also saves on camera actuations.  Wicki's got some great points.  He's taught me a few good tricks also.. (10Q Wicki).  I don't particularly care for the 5D in camera HDR or DPP HDR as when it aligns photos it tends to crop off far too much vs. processing a single RAW which crops off nothing.  Why spend good money on a FF and nice UWA only to lose part of the shot?

I'm attaching a few of the presets I created in Photomatix..you may or may not like them so use at your own risk and rename to anything you like.  When you open Photomatix 4.2 there's a second vertical column adjacent to Process.  At the top of that outer most column click All / Import (see attached for image location screen capture and my presets in a zip)

PS I mostly use the attached presets as a starting point especially when P 4.2 overexposes.  From
there I tweak each image further until desired results are reached then saved as a TIFF and then open in ACDSee 5 and use lighting equalizers in there or in Lightroom 4.1.  I've only had these software apps about a month or so so still exploiting each of them.

I'm not sure where to start with this one.  I would have to respectfully disagree with you on most of these points.  First though I will agree with you about the presets in photomatix, they are indeed garbage.  I always save my settings at the end of every photomatix session that way I have a couple hundred presets to brows as I start tone mapping a new image and it often give me a good starting place, but I find that each image needs its own unique settings to get it right.

Taking 3 or more bracketed photo's is a waste?  This might be the single biggest miscalculation in the history of HDR photography (sorry for the hyperbole).  I think what is happening for you that is causing you to feel this way is that you are not utilizing HDR in the way it excels most.  I have seen some of your HDR images in this thread and the reason you can get away with a single expose is that often the dynamic range in the shots you are processing is captured by a single exposure.  The true utility of HDR is to capture dynamic range that is far beyond what a single expose can capture such as the 14-18ev difference between a dark room and the bright sunlight outside, or the dim foreground against the bright background of the setting sun.  In these cases a single shot could and will never suffice.  In fact a 3 shot bracket would not even be nearly enough and I often use 7 shots at 2-3 ev spacing to capture the full range of light.  One of the biggest reasons so many people are so anti-HDR is because it is so often used in situations that do not warrant it as a sort of pony trick to add some impact to pictures, and it often has the opposite effect. 

Here are a couple HDR pictures I shot where multiple exposures are absolutely necessary and where HDR is the only way such images could be captured (except the very few in here with flat featureless horizons in which a grad ND filter could partially do the job).  As for advice I would say never worry about camera actuations just shoot away and if you are going to bracket then you might as well bracket large (auto align never crops that much unless you are waay off from shot to shot).  There is no substitute for understanding all the settings, what they do, how they effect each other and what final type of image you want in you tone mapping software of choice.  No substitute for experience. 

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8022/7484821192_d35802e513_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7484821192/)
Fire Watch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7484821192/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7247/7474296556_8ca0de5ac4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7474296556/)
Waiting for Tomorrow (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7474296556/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7023036253_601e1533ec_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7023036253/)
Sunset and County (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7023036253/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6012/5948495190_d7b82faf49_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5948495190/)
Electric Sunset at City Park (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5948495190/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5142/5683457187_c5149dbb7b_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5683457187/)
Sunset Blvd (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5683457187/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5027/5644197495_544447f0b1_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5644197495/)
Selective Focus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5644197495/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5100/5425883287_b0a21654d2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5425883287/)
Home on the range... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5425883287/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1240/5150202963_ecac7af6f0_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5150202963/)
Shadow of Hope II (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5150202963/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4131/5112057311_81751a8fa5_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112057311/)
Broken Future (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112057311/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4113/5079066562_7c0ed81d58_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5079066562/)
Sunny Solitude (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5079066562/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4125/5049747709_494034a182_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5049747709/)
Math Machine (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5049747709/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4907532583_da2baf5d5f_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4907532583/)
Sleeps Alone (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4907532583/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4077/4793895686_be9ee2fb1c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4793895686/)
Stairs Stares (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4793895686/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4065/4501139753_565b84d7a2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4501139753/)
Loco, Loco... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4501139753/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3535/4046626255_915877d7cd_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4046626255/)
Last Light: Chi-Town on the Rocks (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4046626255/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 03, 2012, 01:12:11 PM
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but I find that each image needs its own unique settings to get it right.

@lex..no worries it is OK to disagree that is one aspect of this forum.  I can see you are proud of your work and admittedly the processing you choose is quite nice.  if you can't tell, I'm not 100% sold on HDR and certainly don't use it for everything and only when appropriate.  There's much abuse by far too many people in using HDR.  On the contrary, there's a lot of purists in this group that also prefer other methods and wouldn't dare touch HDR.  Of course I understand the mechanics behind HDR with respect to DNR but if you have not experimented with the lighting equalizers within Lightroom or ACDSee Pro 5 as well as masking and other tuning techniques you may be missing on the ability to exploit the DNR in that form as well and/or both. 

I sometimes use the same template (preset) especially if shots are taken in the same scene where the lighting is the same.  No need to create multiple templates in that scenario and as mentioned, the presets within P 4.2 are pointless.  The ones of created are starting points, then I tweak from there.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: RLPhoto on July 03, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
I dont care for HDR, but thats just me. Just too much grey tones for my tastes.

The composition on these is very solid though. Good Work Alex. ;D
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on July 03, 2012, 07:33:06 PM
Oh I meant to mention previously a great utility to speed up masking especially for fixing sky halos is to use topaz remask
http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/ (http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/)

its worth trying out the free trial and if you buy it I think trey ratcliff still has his 20% discount code "STUCKINCUSTOMS"

also I am still not a fan of the excessive photomatixing those wild colourshifts! and the photomatix fuzzies
there are other ways to do it that look cleaner however none are as fast as cookie cutter HDR
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 03, 2012, 08:29:55 PM
Oh I meant to mention previously a great utility to speed up masking especially for fixing sky halos is to use topaz remask
http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/ (http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/)

its worth trying out the free trial and if you buy it I think trey ratcliff still has his 20% discount code "STUCKINCUSTOMS"

also I am still not a fan of the excessive photomatixing those wild colourshifts! and the photomatix fuzzies
there are other ways to do it that look cleaner however none are as fast as cookie cutter HDR

Something no one has mentioned but a technique I often use in conjunction with traditional tonemapping is exposure fusion.  If you are really so averse to color shifts and "fuzzies" (both of which can easily be controlled with good tone mapping) you should really check exposure fusion out.  I often do a tone mapped version and a fusion then mask together my favorite parts of each, but you could opt for just the fusion.  Fusions actually decrease noise where tonemaps often increase it. There are dedicated fusion programs such as enfuse, but photomatix has one of the best fusion algorithms builds in....



Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on July 03, 2012, 09:36:52 PM
Oh I meant to mention previously a great utility to speed up masking especially for fixing sky halos is to use topaz remask
http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/ (http://www.topazlabs.com/remask/)

its worth trying out the free trial and if you buy it I think trey ratcliff still has his 20% discount code "STUCKINCUSTOMS"

also I am still not a fan of the excessive photomatixing those wild colourshifts! and the photomatix fuzzies
there are other ways to do it that look cleaner however none are as fast as cookie cutter HDR

Something no one has mentioned but a technique I often use in conjunction with traditional tonemapping is exposure fusion.  If you are really so averse to color shifts and "fuzzies" (both of which can easily be controlled with good tone mapping) you should really check exposure fusion out.  I often do a tone mapped version and a fusion then mask together my favorite parts of each, but you could opt for just the fusion.  Fusions actually decrease noise where tonemaps often increase it. There are dedicated fusion programs such as enfuse, but photomatix has one of the best fusion algorithms builds in....
i'd have to agree that fusion is ok for certain things
unfortunately i think many of the images you posted still suffer the "fuzzies" and colour shifts
that give off that tell tale photomatix look.
still good shots, I think less processing might benefit them but thats a personal taste thing again.

there seems to be a good HDR fan base on this site and I think sharing techniques and being open to each others suggestions will help develop each others techniques. One thing that shits me to death with the "HDR pros" is they dont fully explain their techniques even when you pay for their information so its largely a waste and "the look" they have is tired and over processed

I've been having some good chats with revup and sharing ideas, I've got the latest tony kuyper photoshop panel which i have to admit i need to sit down and try out. Unfortunately it's impossible to get HDR to appeal to everyones taste, some like the surreal look alot others dont its very subjective.

I still shoot bracketed sets alot evn though i may just end up processing a single exposure from the set
I havent done much HDr lately as I think i have HDR fatigue and got tired of the surreal dreamy look everything gets. I need to sit down and have a look at revups presets and see how they go too.

there is great potential if we all share ideas and stuff here to develop a really solid HDR technique, thing with this site is you will get some solid critique where as places like flickr are just full of people that will goo and gah over stuff which give skewed perspectives.

There are many great photographers on this site much much better than I :P

I'm still searching for the HDR holy grail
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 04, 2012, 12:19:46 AM
Wicki..well said and eloquently delivered.

I've still got the HDR bug to an an extent but no matter how much I de-saturate, de-luminate, de-tonate, de-whatever..someone out there in CR world will critique the uploads and find an alternate way they believe the photo would benefit.  I look at this as not necessarily debatable criticism but perhaps another method to seek out that I've not explored thus providing more options and expanding my horizons.

And finally, here's my HDR slogan:
"Too much HDR reminds me of a woman with excessive make-up and her skirts up too high.  Thus, the photo has been whored and now considered trash".

Guaranteed someone will reply.."so what's wrong with that"?   :o
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: AmbientLight on July 04, 2012, 04:05:22 AM
Isn't that a bit negative, after we had such nice and constructive posts from both @lex, wickidwombat and revup? I am not exactly a HDR enthusiast or something, but some of @lex's shots can really only be done using HDR and yes, they look well composed and well executed in post-processing. Thanks @lex!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 04, 2012, 04:22:01 AM
AmbientLight +1..thanks for the kind words.

@lex..spent more time with P 4.2.1 and found the Exposure Fusion a bit more of what I was seeking.  Thought again the presets were limiting as expected.  Strangely, I opened (ready..) the User Manual.PDF  Who would ever think to do that?  Not any of us Pro's.  :D

I must confess, the creators of Photomatix do claim you get MDR (medium dynamic range with 3-5 exposures) but true HDR with 5-7 or more.  So pardon my statement about bracketed photos being a waste as compared to multi exposures...again, just personal preference and dig working with single RAW's being a bit of a purist coming from the film days (yeah I am freakin old).  There some other cool features for effects in P 4.2.1 ..one called "Unwrap Mirror ball"..have you seen that one?  A bit of a novelty but it offers an extra wide landscape effect with some stretching.  P 4.2.1 also claims to "reduce noise first before HDR processing"..I was unaware of that but usually have that option "On" before HDR'ing.  There's also 3 different RGB modes sRGB, Adobe and Pro Photo RGB.  Was also toying with the deghosting feature and the lasso tool.  A good thread here.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: danski0224 on July 04, 2012, 09:12:27 AM

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6012/5948495190_d7b82faf49_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5948495190/)
Electric Sunset at City Park (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5948495190/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr


I like this one. Very nice.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: danski0224 on July 04, 2012, 09:13:21 AM
Hey, I added some constructive advice: get a 17mm TS-E.


Care to share some images?
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 04, 2012, 10:56:59 AM
I use HDR for real estate photography and it certainly is a fine line to walk between an appealing HDR rendering and something that looks too artsy. 

The realtors I work really enjoy the dynamic range that HDR captures while at the same time they prefer more natural looking images. 

I own Photomatix, Enfuse, NIK, PS5, EasyHDR and have demo'd several other programs.   Each program has strengths and weaknesses.  I have found that EasyHDR works the best at producing as natural an image as possible while retaining a nice wide dynamic range with nice color tones.  Enfuse is my second choice although it does not produce DR well when shooting in a room with a very bright exterior through the windows.

No matter what HDR program I use the final image requires a fair amount of polishing with Lightroom to finalize.  No program is perfect. 

Here are a few images I have made with EasyHDR for real estate clients.  I can only post 4 it seems so I limited it to interiors and just grabbed a few off my website. If anyone would like to see exteriors I can post a few with EasyHDR as well:
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 04, 2012, 11:04:44 AM
I should mention that I shoot 5 exposures from -4 to +4EV and spaced at 2EV and generally use the "natural bright" setting in EASYHDR.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: candyman on July 04, 2012, 11:05:15 AM
@!ex
I really like your inhouse HDR photos. They are like art. And great photo where the windowframe is the frame of a painting and the landscape the painting IN the frame!

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: joelerskates on July 04, 2012, 02:55:06 PM
Interesting discussion here - something I've been working through myself - trying to balance my own aesthetic for traditional exposures with client's needs for images that stand out and have a bit of a fantastic quality to them.

I shoot a lot for landscapers & homebuilders and coming from a "single exposure, get it right in-camera" landscape photography aesthetic, I always disliked the HDR look. Lately, I've been doing 5 exposure blends to give the images a little more range, while trying to keep the look as natural as possible. Hopefully, these shots don't suffer from the typical HDR traits, but still have a bit more pop than you'd get from one exposure.

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 04, 2012, 03:58:10 PM
Very nice images joelerskates.  I actually do quite a bit of blending as well, especially in my fine art work.  The real-estate stuff on other hand often has such a high quantity of shots that hand blending all of them just becomes unreasonable.  I only shoot photography for fun and as a second job on the side (although that second job pays a lot of the bills these days).  I mainly shoot for the University of Colorado athletics and for my own fine art exhibits, but only really shoot real estate for my girlfriend (realtor) and a few high end builders.  Here are some shots I was working on this morning for a house my GF is putting on the market today.  I use 5-7 handheld shots for all these and probably shot the house in about 15 minutes.  The high ISO abilities of the new 5d mk3 make indoor handheld brackets a breeze (amazing, really).  Spent maybe another hour or two this morning tonemapping and blending all of them.  I really think that photomatix is by far the best software, and if used properly (takes a long time to really master it as all the parameters effect each other in different ways) it can yield almost any range of result from extremely natural to flatmapped.  Let me know what you think of these as I was trying to get a very natural image, with pop like joelerskates said.  One of the biggest challenges in this type of shooting is the mixed lighting with can result in difficult to deal with white balancing issues. In real-estate and photography in general you need to have images that stand out and differentiate themselves from the crowd without sparking the consumer to feel they are being deceived.  It is a fine line for sure.

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 04, 2012, 04:00:15 PM
@!ex
I really like your inhouse HDR photos. They are like art. And great photo where the windowframe is the frame of a painting and the landscape the painting IN the frame!

Thanks
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: kirispupis on July 04, 2012, 04:18:01 PM
Here are a few of my shots in an actual listing - http://www.johnlscott.com/propertydetail.aspx?IS=1&ListingID=301352353 (http://www.johnlscott.com/propertydetail.aspx?IS=1&ListingID=301352353)

I also use Photomatix and batch my shots for speed, using exposure fusion.  I then edit the photos further in both LR and PS.  For my non-commercial photography I generally prefer to get everything in one shot, but my clients strongly prefer the blended shots and the workflow is so much easier without needing to setup lights.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: joelerskates on July 04, 2012, 04:32:02 PM
Hey Alex,

Good stuff - It's always tricky getting images that don't look "muddy". You've done a good job, but I think you could push the mid tones lighter - keep the shots as bright and cheerful as you can. One thing you should try is to shoot on a tripod and use the MkIII's great new VF level - it'll keep all your vertical lines straight which is nice for interior shots.

I'll attach a few more shots and include some interiors. I think it's definitely trickier with interiors because of the white balance issue. I think it's key to still have some blown highlights (from lams, ceiling lights, etc) to keep things looking natural. Good looking at your work, Alex!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on July 04, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
joelerskates - what are you using to process?
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: joelerskates on July 04, 2012, 05:41:11 PM
@Cgdillan

I use the Photomatix plugin for Aperture.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: briansquibb on July 04, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
@Cgdillan

I use the Photomatix plugin for Aperture.

I use Nik HDR eFex - simple and gives realistic images out of the box (mine with PSE)
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on July 04, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
@Cgdillan

I use the Photomatix plugin for Aperture.

do you know if there is a difference in the way it handles images in aperture vs standalone? do you do 3 shot brackets?
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 04, 2012, 06:03:25 PM
@Cgdillan

I use the Photomatix plugin for Aperture.

do you know if there is a difference in the way it handles images in aperture vs standalone? do you do 3 shot brackets?

It handles them the same either way.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: SandyP on July 04, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
Interesting discussion here - something I've been working through myself - trying to balance my own aesthetic for traditional exposures with client's needs for images that stand out and have a bit of a fantastic quality to them.

I shoot a lot for landscapers & homebuilders and coming from a "single exposure, get it right in-camera" landscape photography aesthetic, I always disliked the HDR look. Lately, I've been doing 5 exposure blends to give the images a little more range, while trying to keep the look as natural as possible. Hopefully, these shots don't suffer from the typical HDR traits, but still have a bit more pop than you'd get from one exposure.


Finally... something much closer to a realistic look. Well done!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: briansquibb on July 04, 2012, 06:18:07 PM
I am sure I have posted this before ...

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on July 04, 2012, 06:52:57 PM
canon 816 that looks really slick! very natural feel I'm gonna have to give that program a try, It looks like colours arent getting out of whack, did you have to do much with its output afterwards to clean up the whites or fix up colour shifts?
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on July 04, 2012, 06:55:03 PM
not really real estate, but

here are a couple with alot of desaturation to try and overcome the way out colour shifts and some masking to get around halos
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: joelerskates on July 04, 2012, 07:15:51 PM
@Cgdillan

I've never used the standalone application. I usually bracket 5 exposures - never less than 3. Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 04, 2012, 10:26:46 PM
canon 816 that looks really slick! very natural feel I'm gonna have to give that program a try, It looks like colours arent getting out of whack, did you have to do much with its output afterwards to clean up the whites or fix up colour shifts?

I don't have too much trouble with white balance as I rarely shoot with lights on in a house.  I find that multiple temperature light sources wreak havoc on white balance and it is a huge pain to selectively deal with WB issues that vary throughout a single image. 

What I do spend time on is brightening up dark areas of the image.  I find that the HDR software can do this but at the risk of an un-natural look and more haloing.  So I use Lightroom to bring out details in darker areas.  I also adjust contrast and remove wide angle distortion if applicable.

EasyHDR does a decent job at keeping colors true.  I have shot many houses in many different situations.  (sun, rain, mid day, evening, morning, fog, haze, snow, overcast etc..) and every situation requires a little different type of finesse with LR after HDR processing.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: captainkanji on July 05, 2012, 03:20:19 AM
My hatred for HDR grows a bit more everyday.  Even so, there's a few really good ones here.  Maybe I shouldn't have used "HDR" as my tag search in flickr.  I guess in the hands of a master, they are ok, but 99% go into the trash.  I'm tempted to get an HDR addon for Lightroom to learn how to do it properly. 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 05, 2012, 09:28:19 AM
My hatred for HDR grows a bit more everyday.  Even so, there's a few really good ones here.  Maybe I shouldn't have used "HDR" as my tag search in flickr.  I guess in the hands of a master, they are ok, but 99% go into the trash.  I'm tempted to get an HDR addon for Lightroom to learn how to do it properly.

If you hate the "HDR look" effect, then I recommend Enfuse as a lightroon addon. 

It is very natural, easy to use... and cheap.  (Donation only).

Good luck.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: awinphoto on July 05, 2012, 10:14:43 AM
I use HDR for real estate photography and it certainly is a fine line to walk between an appealing HDR rendering and something that looks too artsy. 

The realtors I work really enjoy the dynamic range that HDR captures while at the same time they prefer more natural looking images. 

I own Photomatix, Enfuse, NIK, PS5, EasyHDR and have demo'd several other programs.   Each program has strengths and weaknesses.  I have found that EasyHDR works the best at producing as natural an image as possible while retaining a nice wide dynamic range with nice color tones.  Enfuse is my second choice although it does not produce DR well when shooting in a room with a very bright exterior through the windows.

No matter what HDR program I use the final image requires a fair amount of polishing with Lightroom to finalize.  No program is perfect. 

Here are a few images I have made with EasyHDR for real estate clients.  I can only post 4 it seems so I limited it to interiors and just grabbed a few off my website. If anyone would like to see exteriors I can post a few with EasyHDR as well:

Nice work... I used to do a lot of real estate work until the market bottomed out a few years ago and most my realtors have stopped using me because they cant afford me, or they have taken up jobs elsewhere...  Do any of your clients gripe about the light and dark halos and shadows, as seen in your 3rd shot next to the windows and doorways...  To me I've dappled with HDR for real estate when I was doing this heavily, but with the turn around time my clients wanted, also given I was doing a lot of pano's and 360's, HDR was really hard line up perfectly when doing 6-10 shot stitching, and frankly for the time it took to produce the shots, I felt it was cutting too much into my bottom line sitting at the computer, and not enough $$ to justify the extra time in processing.  To me, I'd spend an hour or so getting all the photos stitched and looking decent, run another half an hour or so processing HDR's, then spend another few hours going through every image and cleaning up all the friggen halo's, desaturating, etc. 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 05, 2012, 04:29:05 PM
not really real estate, but

here are a couple with alot of desaturation to try and overcome the way out colour shifts and some masking to get around halos

If you tonemap right you won't have the color shift problem and the halo's.  The reason for the halo's your getting is due to two things. 1) you have the strength slider way to high, making your foreground brighter than the sky, which not only makes the image look flat and unrealistic (clouds should be the whites brightest part of the picture), but will lead to more halos.  Also the luminosity slider should be much higher to reduce the halo effect. Also, you can account for the color shift by using a cooling or warming filter in photoshop, and going easy on the saturation to start with.  C
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: wickidwombat on July 05, 2012, 07:16:33 PM
not really real estate, but

here are a couple with alot of desaturation to try and overcome the way out colour shifts and some masking to get around halos

If you tonemap right you won't have the color shift problem and the halo's.  The reason for the halo's your getting is due to two things. 1) you have the strength slider way to high, making your foreground brighter than the sky, which not only makes the image look flat and unrealistic (clouds should be the whites brightest part of the picture), but will lead to more halos.  Also the luminosity slider should be much higher to reduce the halo effect. Also, you can account for the color shift by using a cooling or warming filter in photoshop, and going easy on the saturation to start with.  C

thanks for the tips!
these are quite old shot with my old 1Dmk1 only 3 brackets cause thats all it could do
i've sort of given up on HDR in recent times but I think some of the stuff people on this site are pasting up is really moving the concept in the right direction. Its a pity trey ratcliff still overkills his stuff massivley but hey thats what appeals to his audience and he makes money so good on him, I love his philosophy though his blog is often worth reading.

Im definately gonna have a look at that enfuse add on for lightroom being able to do it in light room would be cool if its clean, i noticed that easy HDR was windows only, I might give the trial ago on parallels but unless its unbelievably good i doubt i'd buy it

I think this thread has well and truely been hijacked into the HDR tips and tricks thread now though :P
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 05, 2012, 08:42:19 PM
AmbientLight +1..thanks for the kind words.

@lex..spent more time with P 4.2.1 and found the Exposure Fusion a bit more of what I was seeking.  Thought again the presets were limiting as expected.  Strangely, I opened (ready..) the User Manual.PDF  Who would ever think to do that?  Not any of us Pro's.  :D

I must confess, the creators of Photomatix do claim you get MDR (medium dynamic range with 3-5 exposures) but true HDR with 5-7 or more.  So pardon my statement about bracketed photos being a waste as compared to multi exposures...again, just personal preference and dig working with single RAW's being a bit of a purist coming from the film days (yeah I am freakin old).  There some other cool features for effects in P 4.2.1 ..one called "Unwrap Mirror ball"..have you seen that one?  A bit of a novelty but it offers an extra wide landscape effect with some stretching.  P 4.2.1 also claims to "reduce noise first before HDR processing"..I was unaware of that but usually have that option "On" before HDR'ing.  There's also 3 different RGB modes sRGB, Adobe and Pro Photo RGB.  Was also toying with the deghosting feature and the lasso tool.  A good thread here.

Hey, revue where did you see the different RGB mode options? I thought it just imported whatever colorspace that was embedded. I've had a couple weird color changes lately from the displayed HDR image in photomatix to the one I open in aperture, lightroom or PS.  It seems to be an issue with the working color space in phototmatix, but I could find an option to change it....

Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Wideopen on July 06, 2012, 02:14:23 AM
@!ex u are an inspiration thankyou for sharing
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 06, 2012, 03:26:44 AM
canon816 - I must admit, I think your photos for HDR look very natural.  I am pleased to see that HDR can produce such pleasing quality..excellent work.

@!ex..the sRGB setting (where you can choose adobe RGB or Pro Photo RGB) is (for single RAW) is right at the opening screen and looks like: 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 06, 2012, 03:27:45 AM
If doing a multi RAW file HDR process then it is here.

PS I might add if you have the Canon GP-E2 (GPS device) then you want to download at least version 4.2.2 of Photomatix otherwise the GPS data is lost when 4.2.1 or earlier converts from RAW to JPG
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 06, 2012, 07:05:41 PM
canon816 - I must admit, I think your photos for HDR look very natural.  I am pleased to see that HDR can produce such pleasing quality..excellent work.

Thanks Revup67.  I have struggled with many programs and settings to find more natural looking HDR effects.  I must admit is a constant battle, but I do like the final product better then non HDR (For real estate) when it comes out with a nice natural look.  Personally, I do not like the "HDR" look when images are over processed and end up looking more like graffiti art then photography.  Although, some folks can even make that look beautiful....   
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 06, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
Do any of your clients gripe about the light and dark halos and shadows, as seen in your 3rd shot next to the windows and doorways...

No.  I try to keep halos and shadows to a minimum, although sometimes they still shine through.  A curse (and blessing at times) with the MLS system is that the images are displayed at a very small size and resolution when potential home buyers are searching.  For my clients to have 25 professional looking images posted for their home or listing it really sets their house apart from the homes with 3 crappy pics snapped with a smart phone. 

If my clients are looking to print anything of any size, I spend a little more time cleaning up images for print.

I will admit, that to keep my pricing fair and my turn-around time short I have set up a semi automatic workflow process that keeps my "hands on" editing to a minimum.  While the HDR artifacts are not completely absent the images do look quite clean for the most part and clients feel like they get good bang for the buck.

I understand where you are coming from when you mention time input with editing compared to income, so I try to provide the best product I can for a reasonable price.  On a typical 2,000 square foot home I spend about an hour shooting, let my computer batch process for an hour, and then about 40 min-60 min in post polishing the final HDR images.  Clients end up with about 35 photos depending on the house and grounds....
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 06, 2012, 09:09:00 PM
Do any of your clients gripe about the light and dark halos and shadows, as seen in your 3rd shot next to the windows and doorways...

No.  I try to keep halos and shadows to a minimum, although sometimes they still shine through.  A curse (and blessing at times) with the MLS system is that the images are displayed at a very small size and resolution when potential home buyers are searching.  For my clients to have 25 professional looking images posted for their home or listing it really sets their house apart from the homes with 3 crappy pics snapped with a smart phone. 

If my clients are looking to print anything of any size, I spend a little more time cleaning up images for print.

I will admit, that to keep my pricing fair and my turn-around time short I have set up a semi automatic workflow process that keeps my "hands on" editing to a minimum.  While the HDR artifacts are not completely absent the images do look quite clean for the most part and clients feel like they get good bang for the buck.

I understand where you are coming from when you mention time input with editing compared to income, so I try to provide the best product I can for a reasonable price.  On a typical 2,000 square foot home I spend about an hour shooting, let my computer batch process for an hour, and then about 40 min-60 min in post polishing the final HDR images.  Clients end up with about 35 photos depending on the house and grounds....

If you don't mind, how much do you charge?  I'm always trying to compare my rates to others (pm me if you feel more comfortable with that).
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 06, 2012, 09:10:51 PM
If doing a multi RAW file HDR process then it is here.

PS I might add if you have the Canon GP-E2 (GPS device) then you want to download at least version 4.2.2 of Photomatix otherwise the GPS data is lost when 4.2.1 or earlier converts from RAW to JPG

Thanks rev.  As I suspected it only applies to RAW images, not the working space for JPEG, which is what probably 70% of my shots are.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 07, 2012, 03:23:40 AM
@!ex..Interesting..just curious how come you split 70% JPG and 30% RAW?  I only shoot in RAW..far more control and it is the digital negative, JPG's are baked in settings.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on July 07, 2012, 04:13:54 AM
@!ex..Interesting..just curious how come you split 70% JPG and 30% RAW?  I only shoot in RAW..far more control and it is the digital negative, JPG's are baked in settings.

I shoot a tone of stuff, on a good day I shoot maybe 200 shots or more, especially if I am on vacation then maybe 6-700.  I changed the settings on my 5d mkiii so that the little function button next to the shutter button switches between RAW and JPEG.  I agree that RAW is the digital negative and has more options for pushing it if the exposure or white balance is a way off, but in my world I know when this might happen based on the shooting conditions.  If it is a really critical shot for a paid assignment and it is a very contrasty or difficult white balance scene, then I'll just hit my handy dandy custom little RAW button so I have saved all the info coming from the sensor unaltered.  Although about 70% of the time I honestly don't need that flexibility since I am either bracketing or just snapping away and the more freedom I feel shooting a ton of shots, the better chances I think I'll have of getting the best moment/composition.  If space was unlimited and I wanted to edit every single image to meet my needs (a necessity with RAW) then maybe I'd shoot more RAW, but I guess I'm an outlier among pro shooters because I think the freedom of shooting JPEG encourages more shots which leeds to more keepers.   I just find that even if I totally blow a shot shooting JPEG, I can still get it where I want with photoshop most of the time, and if I feel that the dynamic range on a single exposure necessitates then I'll hit my  RAW button. 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: revup67 on July 08, 2012, 03:43:14 AM
well..that's an interesting theory.  I shoot only RAW cause then if the image is messed up I have a better chance of recovery (say I forgot to change the exposure from the last scene).  Have you ever used the recipe feature in DPP?  Quiet nice as if you have multiple shots from the same scene that all suffer from the same criteria (say under exposure) you can create a single recipe, save it then apply it to to a batch of images all at once, then do a batch process to convert to JPG then delete the RAWs and keep whatever JPG's you like.  I know you mentioned space but not sure if you are concerned about space on the camera or MAC/PC?  I take all my shots on a 32 gig CF card.  If on vacation I then do a "camera copy" to the spare SD card (less costly) then I have the 32 gig free again on the CF.  I found this to be economical without suffering from speed loss (writing to the card).  I rate all my pics and typically only keep the RAWs that are 5 star. So if I've got 8 RAW shots of a hummingbird, I might keep 4 as JPG's but only 1 or 2 RAWs of the best of the 8.  I can already see the 5D Mark III pics chewing away at my disk drive.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on July 08, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
The problem I have with JPEG, other then the limited data it captures for a scene, is that every time you copy it, edit it, or save it the file is degraded and IQ suffers.  If its a one time job then JPEG might make sense, but if you are trying to create an amazing image and hope to refer back to it many times over the years then your image will break down over time if JPEG.  Also, as editing tech improves all that extra data in a DNG file can be exploited to improve your image....   DNG never degrades with copying, editing etc... It's timeless and a hedge that editing software in the future will be able draw more out of the data.   

Hard drive space is so cheap these days that the filesize of RAW does not bother me one bit.  Also, I cull images that I will never use or that were not as good as one that is similar or if it is OOF, etc...

The argument shooting JPEG over RAW due to Harddrive space is a silly one.  Our camera kits contain thousands of dollars worth of camera bodies, lenses and accessories.... yet it's too expensive to go to costco or best buy and drop $120 on 2 Terabytes of storage!?  Even CF and SD cards are relatively cheap especially when considering the old days of shooting film.

A funny story on that though.  My mom switched to digital a few years back.  Just point and shoot for fun.  I found out that she had over 20 2GB SD cards and asked why she had so many.  Her response.... because they kept filling up!  LOVE IT!!! (Still cheaper then film....  ::) )
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Marsu42 on July 08, 2012, 09:00:17 AM
If you hate the "HDR look" effect, then I recommend Enfuse as a lightroon addon. 

Or use the commercial photomatrix, which now includes exposure fusion as well and is better at assembling hand-held images plus has a wysiwyg interface.

For tripod shots and when you want to specify the parameters in numbers, use a) the lr/enfuse lightroom plugin or b) shoot bracketing with magic lantern that puts an assembly & enfuse script next to the shots.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: DavidFlores on August 01, 2012, 04:22:19 AM
I appreciate your points, but I personally edit my digital image processing in MATLAB IDE . It gives high flexibility to have desired look effects and can be implemented in various color spaces as RGB,HSV also NTSC.
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Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on August 01, 2012, 11:02:28 AM
I definitely recommend enfuse and lightroom. It's by far been the quickest way to do RE for me and I the way I end up with the best image quality. It is also easy to get everything balanced properly with out looking overly HDR.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: castillophotodesign on August 09, 2012, 12:18:11 AM
here is a real estate shot i took with my 5D III & the 24L f1.4

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7744369460_7bb5524881_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/)
Remodeled APT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/#) by CastilloPhotoDesign (http://www.flickr.com/people/castillophotodesign/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on August 09, 2012, 06:40:18 PM
here is a real estate shot i took with my 5D III & the 24L f1.4

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7744369460_7bb5524881_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/)
Remodeled APT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/#) by CastilloPhotoDesign (http://www.flickr.com/people/castillophotodesign/), on Flickr

That looks really nice. A good lens/body combo although I prefer wider shots myself. good work =-)
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: castillophotodesign on August 09, 2012, 07:11:26 PM
here is a real estate shot i took with my 5D III & the 24L f1.4

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7744369460_7bb5524881_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/)
Remodeled APT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/#) by CastilloPhotoDesign (http://www.flickr.com/people/castillophotodesign/), on Flickr

That looks really nice. A good lens/body combo although I prefer wider shots myself. good work =-)

I agree, I wider shot would have been nice. but there is so much distortion with the 16-35 that i prefer using the 24L when i can. I use the 16-35 only when the 24 is not enough! This is a test shot, I'm shooting the final version tomorrow. I'll make sure to post it when is done. If you guys have any feedback to improve the shot let me know, ill definitely keep them in mind for my final image
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: canon816 on August 09, 2012, 08:57:50 PM
The colorful lighting really makes for an interesting and appealing scene however the color casts that it leaves on the white chairs and walls is really unappealing.  I recommend that you try to clean this up in post for your final draft.  Also pushing the corner to the left a little and showing more of the room that leads into this living space might help.  (A wider lens would allow this).  I'm not sure about the TV screen either.  All in all a great start... since you were looking for a critique... this is what I think.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on August 09, 2012, 08:59:58 PM
here is a real estate shot i took with my 5D III & the 24L f1.4

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7744369460_7bb5524881_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/)
Remodeled APT (http://www.flickr.com/photos/castillophotodesign/7744369460/#) by CastilloPhotoDesign (http://www.flickr.com/people/castillophotodesign/), on Flickr

That looks really nice. A good lens/body combo although I prefer wider shots myself. good work =-)

I agree, I wider shot would have been nice. but there is so much distortion with the 16-35 that i prefer using the 24L when i can. I use the 16-35 only when the 24 is not enough! This is a test shot, I'm shooting the final version tomorrow. I'll make sure to post it when is done. If you guys have any feedback to improve the shot let me know, ill definitely keep them in mind for my final image

Look forward to seeing them! The 16-35 distortion could definitely be helped lightroom or camera raw so i think i'd recommend that. Just my opinion. I shoot with 5d mmiii and 14mm bower.

http://www.stockhammedia.com/2012/07/29/real-estate-photography-luneta-drive/ (http://www.stockhammedia.com/2012/07/29/real-estate-photography-luneta-drive/)
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: TexPhoto on August 09, 2012, 11:39:26 PM
When I do HDR, I also do the image without it from the normal exposure.  Then I layer the finished HDR on top of the normal, and begin making it transparent, choosing something between the HDR and the normal exposure. 
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: bdunbar79 on August 11, 2012, 12:05:45 AM
well..that's an interesting theory.  I shoot only RAW cause then if the image is messed up I have a better chance of recovery (say I forgot to change the exposure from the last scene).  Have you ever used the recipe feature in DPP?  Quiet nice as if you have multiple shots from the same scene that all suffer from the same criteria (say under exposure) you can create a single recipe, save it then apply it to to a batch of images all at once, then do a batch process to convert to JPG then delete the RAWs and keep whatever JPG's you like.  I know you mentioned space but not sure if you are concerned about space on the camera or MAC/PC?  I take all my shots on a 32 gig CF card.  If on vacation I then do a "camera copy" to the spare SD card (less costly) then I have the 32 gig free again on the CF.  I found this to be economical without suffering from speed loss (writing to the card).  I rate all my pics and typically only keep the RAWs that are 5 star. So if I've got 8 RAW shots of a hummingbird, I might keep 4 as JPG's but only 1 or 2 RAWs of the best of the 8.  I can already see the 5D Mark III pics chewing away at my disk drive.

Sometimes you don't have a choice.  Especially when you're shooting college sports and the shots go to your laptop where they are then sent to a webmaster, at the game.  You better get the shot right because it's going to jpeg and to a live update website.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Bosman on August 13, 2012, 02:48:30 AM

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7333213528_132095cebe_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/)
No Lines (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5979038530_002fc99c9d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/)
Records from the Past (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5881674409_e9d01aea78_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/)
Teddy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5136/5420754982_7ef22836de_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/)
Picture in Picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/5112994935_7a736a3679_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/)
Organic Cooking (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4129/4840897023_0a63454e2d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/)
TiVo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

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I like these images a lot! The first image is very nice without hdr look. The contrast of the barren and dull inside with the colorful life as a contrast seen thru the windows. Nice nice images.
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: @!ex on August 13, 2012, 04:41:09 PM

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7333213528_132095cebe_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/)
No Lines (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/7333213528/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6025/5979038530_002fc99c9d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/)
Records from the Past (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5979038530/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr



(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5145/5881674409_e9d01aea78_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/)
Teddy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5881674409/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5136/5420754982_7ef22836de_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/)
Picture in Picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5420754982/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4089/5112994935_7a736a3679_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/)
Organic Cooking (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/5112994935/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4129/4840897023_0a63454e2d_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/)
TiVo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/benison/4840897023/#) by @!ex (http://www.flickr.com/people/benison/), on Flickr

I like these images a lot! The first image is very nice without hdr look. The contrast of the barren and dull inside with the colorful life as a contrast seen thru the windows. Nice nice images.
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Thanks, I especially appreciate the compliments from fellow photographers...
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: cayenne on August 16, 2012, 10:48:58 PM
<snip>

Nice work... I used to do a lot of real estate work until the market bottomed out a few years ago and most my realtors have stopped using me because they cant afford me, or they have taken up jobs elsewhere...<snip>
Just curious....what kind of money do ya'll try to charge real estate companies for this type of photograpy?

What was the going rate before the 'bottom feel out'?  Just curious....

Thanks in advance,

cayenne
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on August 17, 2012, 01:17:10 PM
<snip>

Nice work... I used to do a lot of real estate work until the market bottomed out a few years ago and most my realtors have stopped using me because they cant afford me, or they have taken up jobs elsewhere...<snip>
Just curious....what kind of money do ya'll try to charge real estate companies for this type of photograpy?

What was the going rate before the 'bottom feel out'?  Just curious....

Thanks in advance,

cayenne

For my stuff I charge $200 for day shots and $300 for evening shots
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: cayenne on August 17, 2012, 03:45:23 PM
<snip>

Nice work... I used to do a lot of real estate work until the market bottomed out a few years ago and most my realtors have stopped using me because they cant afford me, or they have taken up jobs elsewhere...<snip>
Just curious....what kind of money do ya'll try to charge real estate companies for this type of photograpy?

What was the going rate before the 'bottom feel out'?  Just curious....

Thanks in advance,

cayenne

For my stuff I charge $200 for day shots and $300 for evening shots

Thank you....and for those numbers...about how many images do they get?

Again,thank you for the info....

C
Title: Re: Real Estate Photography 5D mkIII
Post by: Cgdillan on August 18, 2012, 07:43:31 PM
<snip>

Nice work... I used to do a lot of real estate work until the market bottomed out a few years ago and most my realtors have stopped using me because they cant afford me, or they have taken up jobs elsewhere...<snip>
Just curious....what kind of money do ya'll try to charge real estate companies for this type of photograpy?

What was the going rate before the 'bottom feel out'?  Just curious....

Thanks in advance,

cayenne

For my stuff I charge $200 for day shots and $300 for evening shots

Thank you....and for those numbers...about how many images do they get?

Again,thank you for the info....

C

20-30 usually for me