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Title: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Canon Rumors on August 08, 2012, 12:07:42 PM
The next 35mm…
The oft rumored EF 35 f/1.4L II is being talked about again. We’re told an announcement for the new “L” prime will only happen once the new EF 24-70 f/2.8L II begun shipping in decent quantity.

That would put the announcement sometime in 2012 with availability probably being in early 2013. One patent for the optical forumla has been around for a while.

I’m told as many as 3 prototypes exist, though they have only made it to a very select few photographers.

CRs Take
I’m pretty confident this lens will be announced sooner than later, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it paired with a new high megapixel camera.

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Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Etienne on August 08, 2012, 12:14:22 PM

This has to be one of the oldest on-going rumors on the site.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: TrumpetPower! on August 08, 2012, 12:22:28 PM
Considering today's 35 f/1.4 is already superlative...what, aside from the price tag, will be different with the new one?

b&
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Canon Rumors on August 08, 2012, 12:25:37 PM
It could use improvements at 1.4. It CA's pretty badly. Updating coatings and that sort of thing too.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: dolina on August 08, 2012, 12:26:37 PM
Finally!

Now where is the rumor for the 400/5.6 with IS?
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: neuroanatomist on August 08, 2012, 12:27:22 PM
Considering today's 35 f/1.4 is already superlative...what, aside from the price tag, will be different with the new one?

Weathersealing, new coatings, and improved corner sharpness come to mind…
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: dafrank on August 08, 2012, 12:41:46 PM
Dolina, +1. Those same two, plus the new 24-70 (replacing my current version) and a 17mm TSE would be my most wanted additions to my current lens line-up that would pretty much hold me over for many years to come. My 5D3 and 85 f/1.2 plus a new 35 f/1.4 would be a great and relatively small but super low light knock-around kit.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Dylan777 on August 08, 2012, 12:49:57 PM
Could be my next prime...hope my current 50 f1.4 will survive by then  :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Stevo2008 on August 08, 2012, 12:56:48 PM
Considering today's 35 f/1.4 is already superlative...what, aside from the price tag, will be different with the new one?

b&

Current 35 1.4 does not have any UD elements. This revision should feature UD elements to reduce chromatic aberration.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on August 08, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
I love my 35mm L, but it definitely could be improved by a significant amount.  One of the weaknesses is the tendency to front focus closer than 5 ft.  I set mine at about 10 ft, which works fine for most images, but its off if I get close.
The depth of field is very shallow near mfd.
(http://www.mount-spokane-photography.com/Travel/Washington-State-Scenes/Pend-Oreille-county-Fair/Pend-Oreille-County-Fair-2010/976719910_cDSQW-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: CJRodgers on August 08, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
After months of choosing between the 24 1.4 mkii and 35 1.4 i just bought the 35mm 1.4. Im a bit gutted now because i would have rather had a weather sealed lens. I only paid £750 on ebay though! I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value.

Ive justified buying L glass to myself that it should hold its value incase I ever need to sell it, but I guess its value really depends on the new price.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Etienne on August 08, 2012, 01:39:38 PM
After months of choosing between the 24 1.4 mkii and 35 1.4 i just bought the 35mm 1.4. Im a bit gutted now because i would have rather had a weather sealed lens. I only paid £750 on ebay though! I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value.

Ive justified buying L glass to myself that it should hold its value incase I ever need to sell it, but I guess its value really depends on the new price.

Canon glass, especially L glass, holds it's value well. I've actually sold some lenses for more than I paid.

But the new 35L II will be very pricey to be sure.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: dstppy on August 08, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
We've gotten this far without this? Fine, I'll do it if no one else is gonna:

What? No IS? How could they release it without IS?  If they do that, I'm moving to Nikon.

;D
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: CJRodgers on August 08, 2012, 03:00:09 PM
After months of choosing between the 24 1.4 mkii and 35 1.4 i just bought the 35mm 1.4. Im a bit gutted now because i would have rather had a weather sealed lens. I only paid £750 on ebay though! I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value.

Ive justified buying L glass to myself that it should hold its value incase I ever need to sell it, but I guess its value really depends on the new price.

Canon glass, especially L glass, holds it's value well. I've actually sold some lenses for more than I paid.

But the new 35L II will be very pricey to be sure.

Yeah i think it will be pricey, and hopefully mean that my copy holds its value. I definately noticed this as I missed out on the chanced to buy the 24-70 mki just before the new version was released, and now the mki costs an extra 30% used easily.

Thanks for easing my mind though!
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: preppyak on August 08, 2012, 03:17:43 PM
I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value
Well, a few things.

1. The new lens doesn't actually exist. Canon's history for the past year would indicate that by the time they announce the lens, you have a 6ish month waiting period for it to actually arrive at your door, and the possibly return it because something is wrong to get fixed. Even if you avoid the latter part, it's 2013 before you can get it. Which leads to 2:

2. You can use the current 35L and take pictures. That has monetary value, especially if you are a pro who makes money from your camera. Even if you are not, the ability to take quality photos at 35mm doesn't go away cause Canon might release a new version.

3. All lens prices are doubling, not just Canon's. The original 35L is retailing at $1479, which means the new one is probably $2k+. If it's like the 24-70 market, it'll only increase the value of your lens. For example, you paid as much used as what someone would have paid for a new 35L on its release: http://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/00026/Canon-EF-35mm-f1.4L-USM-price.html (http://www.canonpricewatch.com/product/00026/Canon-EF-35mm-f1.4L-USM-price.html)

All those combine to say that, unless you never use your 35L, you should keep it. And if they end up releasing the new 35L at $1500 and it hurts the value of your current lens, well, consider it a blessing that Canon released the lens you want at a reasonable price

Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Etienne on August 08, 2012, 03:53:20 PM
After months of choosing between the 24 1.4 mkii and 35 1.4 i just bought the 35mm 1.4. Im a bit gutted now because i would have rather had a weather sealed lens. I only paid £750 on ebay though! I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value.

Ive justified buying L glass to myself that it should hold its value incase I ever need to sell it, but I guess its value really depends on the new price.

Canon glass, especially L glass, holds it's value well. I've actually sold some lenses for more than I paid.

But the new 35L II will be very pricey to be sure.

Yeah i think it will be pricey, and hopefully mean that my copy holds its value. I definately noticed this as I missed out on the chanced to buy the 24-70 mki just before the new version was released, and now the mki costs an extra 30% used easily.

Thanks for easing my mind though!

The 35 1.4 is a pretty safe investment. It costs about $100/week to rent it here. You may own it for two - three years, and get many thousands of shot with it, and then resell it at nearly what you paid. It's a bargain in that light.

Several years ago I bought a 40D on sale for $900 and a 17-55 2.8 IS for $850 (Adorama had a one day sale, and B&H matched it). After about 18 months, and perhaps 40,000 shots, I sold the 40D for $600 and the 17-55 for $950. My net cost was about $200 (all figures approximate). You couldn't by a crappy point and shoot for that.

In my experience, buying good gear is cost effective.

I now have the following lenses:

Canon 16-35 II, 24-105 f4 IS, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 50 1.4, 50 1.8
Tokina 11-16 2.8, 50-135 2.8

On 5DII, and 60D(bought for my son)

If I sold all my lenses, I'd get pretty close to what I paid, so no regrets. BTW ... good sales come up regularly. Take advantage of them and you'll do very well with pro gear.

Tip: look at kits and their discounts. I bought the 60D kit with 55-250 IS, for $59 more than without the zoom. I immediately sold the zoom for about $200 and the kit 18-55 for $95 (net $295) new in boxes on eBay.  B&H was also offering the 70-200 at an additional $200 off the existing $200 off sale when paired with the camera. So in the end, my price on a new 70-200 2.8L IS II was $1850!
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: sarangiman on August 08, 2012, 04:44:56 PM
How about 9 aperture blades, please?
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: TrumpetPower! on August 08, 2012, 05:39:15 PM
How about 9 aperture blades, please?

And here I thought <a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/">five blades</a> was overkill....

b&
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: sarangiman on August 08, 2012, 05:42:11 PM
Haha. 5-blades would still give you more sunstar rays than Canon's current 8-blade apertures do.

My point is that by simply adding one extra blade, you'd go from 8-point sunstars to 18-point sunstars.

No downsides. No-brainer, really. All pro-Nikon lenses have 9-blade apertures.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: wickidwombat on August 08, 2012, 06:11:51 PM
woo hooo happy days, i think ill get this instead of the 24-70 since i just picked up a 24-70 mk 1 for $800 which is quite sharp much better than previous versions i have tried anyway. ive nearly broke down and bought the 35 mk1 a few times already
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: wickidwombat on August 08, 2012, 06:14:56 PM
After months of choosing between the 24 1.4 mkii and 35 1.4 i just bought the 35mm 1.4. Im a bit gutted now because i would have rather had a weather sealed lens. I only paid £750 on ebay though! I wonder if the price of the new lens will increase the value of mine, or if I should consider selling it before it loses too much value.

Ive justified buying L glass to myself that it should hold its value incase I ever need to sell it, but I guess its value really depends on the new price.


Canon glass, especially L glass, holds it's value well. I've actually sold some lenses for more than I paid.

But the new 35L II will be very pricey to be sure.

Yeah i think it will be pricey, and hopefully mean that my copy holds its value. I definately noticed this as I missed out on the chanced to buy the 24-70 mki just before the new version was released, and now the mki costs an extra 30% used easily.

Thanks for easing my mind though!

The 35 1.4 is a pretty safe investment. It costs about $100/week to rent it here. You may own it for two - three years, and get many thousands of shot with it, and then resell it at nearly what you paid. It's a bargain in that light.

Several years ago I bought a 40D on sale for $900 and a 17-55 2.8 IS for $850 (Adorama had a one day sale, and B&H matched it). After about 18 months, and perhaps 40,000 shots, I sold the 40D for $600 and the 17-55 for $950. My net cost was about $200 (all figures approximate). You couldn't by a crappy point and shoot for that.

In my experience, buying good gear is cost effective.

I now have the following lenses:

Canon 16-35 II, 24-105 f4 IS, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 50 1.4, 50 1.8
Tokina 11-16 2.8, 50-135 2.8

On 5DII, and 60D(bought for my son)

If I sold all my lenses, I'd get pretty close to what I paid, so no regrets. BTW ... good sales come up regularly. Take advantage of them and you'll do very well with pro gear.

Tip: look at kits and their discounts. I bought the 60D kit with 55-250 IS, for $59 more than without the zoom. I immediately sold the zoom for about $200 and the kit 18-55 for $95 (net $295) new in boxes on eBay.  B&H was also offering the 70-200 at an additional $200 off the existing $200 off sale when paired with the camera. So in the end, my price on a new 70-200 2.8L IS II was $1850!
at risk of of going way off topic how is the tokina 50-135 f2.8 ?
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Radiating on August 08, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
Considering today's 35 f/1.4 is already superlative...what, aside from the price tag, will be different with the new one?

b&

The 35mm 1.4 was spectacular when it was released, now it's just average. It's so average in fact that a third party 35mm 1.4 Canon EF lens you can buy for $350 brand new is much better than Canon's own $1350 35mm 1.4, which is ridiculous:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=771&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=771&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2)

Just from that comparison I see the following that could be noticably improved:

-Corner sharpness
-Mid frame sharpness
-Severe Color Fringing

Here are some other factors which could be improved:

- Flare resistance (better coatings)
- mid frame and corner sharpness for meridonial detail stopped down
- Color fringing stopped down, it's plainly visible even at f/8.0
- Purple Fringing (I notice this in my copy)

Don't get me wrong even with all these problems the 35mm 1.4L is probably my favorite prime of all time ever, the combination of pleasing quality, focal length and aperture are amazing.

However if it were as good as say this, well... we can only dream.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=121&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=121&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Bosman on August 08, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
The 24LII suits me very well so even as enticing as this lens would be it would be redundant. I am guessing Canon will do all L lenses with circular aperture blades since, what was it the 24LII they started doing it on normal lenses...? I don't recall. Anyway it would be in their interests to do so and they are pretty late in the game to that feature but it would be another perk for up-graders. All the other updates mentioned as well. These newer lenses have to be built to the n'th degree to future proof them at least 6yrs if not longer. The higher resolution sensors coming out will demand it.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Daniel Flather on August 08, 2012, 10:29:24 PM
How about 9 aperture blades, please?

And here I thought <a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/">five blades</a> was overkill....

b&

+1
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Bosman on August 09, 2012, 01:29:56 AM
How about 9 aperture blades, please?

And here I thought <a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/">five blades</a> was overkill....

b&
LOLOL!
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Menace on August 09, 2012, 04:16:31 AM
I will be getting one of these soon as its released - fortunately I'm not in a desperate need of it right now so I'll hold off keeping my fingers crossed re cost.

 :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Etienne on August 09, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
at risk of of going way off topic how is the tokina 50-135 f2.8 ?

I didn't sell the Tokina 50-135 2.8 after moving to FF 5DII because it is a great lens. Now my son uses it on his 60D. It is sharp, clear, pretty much right from 2.8 . It's a little slow to focus, but it's light weight for 2.8 tele-zoom.

It has some other rare qualities: it is parfocal, which is not a big deal in photography, but it is awesome for video. It means you can focus at one focal length then zoom in (or out) while recording, and you will maintain focus!

It also does not exhibit much focus breathing, again good for video.

It is discontinued, and I doubt I'll ever sell it.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: RLPhoto on August 09, 2012, 01:46:28 PM
I only purchased the 24L II because the 35L was disappointing in my tests. Its really overdue for an update.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Stone on August 09, 2012, 01:58:01 PM
The 35L was next on my purchase list as I continue getting rid of all my EF-S lenses for my move to FF.  I too was hoping for an upgrade to this lens before I buy but considering the huge delays from Canon lately, I might just get the 35L I and call it a day, at least for now.  It's an amazing lens but it could definitely use an update for weather sealing, CA control and corner sharpness.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: CJRodgers on August 10, 2012, 07:14:38 AM
Im really happy with my 35 1.4., really sharp! Not sure if I want something wider though :( might just be thinking that because ive only had a chance to shoot landscapes so far and not portraits.
Title: Re: Canon EF 35 f/1.4L II [CR2]
Post by: Mt Spokane Photography on August 14, 2012, 08:39:09 PM
Considering today's 35 f/1.4 is already superlative...what, aside from the price tag, will be different with the new one?

b&

The 35mm 1.4 was spectacular when it was released, now it's just average. It's so average in fact that a third party 35mm 1.4 Canon EF lens you can buy for $350 brand new is much better than Canon's own $1350 35mm 1.4, which is ridiculous:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=771&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=771&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=2)

Just from that comparison I see the following that could be noticably improved:

-Corner sharpness
-Mid frame sharpness
-Severe Color Fringing

Here are some other factors which could be improved:

- Flare resistance (better coatings)
- mid frame and corner sharpness for meridonial detail stopped down
- Color fringing stopped down, it's plainly visible even at f/8.0
- Purple Fringing (I notice this in my copy)

Don't get me wrong even with all these problems the 35mm 1.4L is probably my favorite prime of all time ever, the combination of pleasing quality, focal length and aperture are amazing.

However if it were as good as say this, well... we can only dream.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=121&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0 (http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=121&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=458&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0)

I bought one of those SammyYang coke bottles you refer to, but the autofocus would not work on any of my cameras.