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Gear Talk => EOS Bodies - For Stills => Topic started by: moonwell on August 25, 2012, 02:12:51 PM

Title: 1D X Structural Weakness [FIXED]
Post by: moonwell on August 25, 2012, 02:12:51 PM
Word of advice... don't test the build quality by tossing your 1D X off a speeding golf cart...  :o

(http://www.moonsphoto.com/tmp/1DX-Damage-7D_369575.jpg)
(http://www.moonsphoto.com/tmp/1DX-Damage-7D_369576.jpg)

I'm sure Canon will repair at no charge as a reward for me finding the weak spot  ::) Still works fine, but not exactly weather sealed anymore.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: charlesa on August 25, 2012, 02:18:57 PM
Ouch!  :'( A small part of me died inside  :-\
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: Viggo on August 25, 2012, 02:30:08 PM
Oh my.... so much for the buildquality... I actually thought it would make a dent, not crack... nice to know it still works!
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: kaihp on August 25, 2012, 07:41:06 PM
Oh my.... so much for the buildquality... I actually thought it would make a dent, not crack... nice to know it still works!
Since it's a Magnesium-alloy, it is much harder (and lighter) than Aluminium but being harder means that it's more brittle and will break rather than bend. Also, cast materials tend to break more easily than milled parts due to the orientation of the grains in the material.

To the OP: very sorry to see that  :(
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: friedmud on August 25, 2012, 09:14:52 PM
Firstly: Ouch!  That sucks!

Secondly:  those are the finest "breakage" photos I've ever seen :-)
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: bdunbar79 on August 25, 2012, 11:20:58 PM
You woulda heard me scream like Cameron on Ferris Buehler's Day Off.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: Bosman on August 25, 2012, 11:49:37 PM
my 1dm3 has taken a few falls, but you would never know it. Its kinda sad this happened, my condolences.  :'(
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: sanj on August 26, 2012, 02:05:01 AM
Re attaching my neck strap...
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on August 26, 2012, 02:38:24 AM
Happened Friday night, and I wasn't too concerned, since I somehow only noticed the scratches, not the crack at the time.  My heart dropped when I saw it in the morning  :'(

At least it appears the crack is in a separate piece from the main chassis, so hopefully it's fixable without resorting to black RTV.

Oh, the 24-70 didn't fair too well either... filter ring hit the cement (no filter).  No glass shattered, but now it's a 30-70mm that won't focus to infinity.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: bdunbar79 on August 26, 2012, 02:41:01 AM
Happened Friday night, and I wasn't too concerned, since I somehow only noticed the scratches, not the crack at the time.  My heart dropped when I saw it in the morning  :'(

At least it appears the crack is in a separate piece from the main chassis, so hopefully it's fixable without resorting to black RTV.

Oh, the 24-70 didn't fair too well either... filter ring hit the cement (no filter).  No glass shattered, but now it's a 30-70mm that won't focus to infinity.

So you've invented a new Canon lens, that can't be used for landscape photography?  :)

Sorry, couldn't pass that up.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: wockawocka on August 26, 2012, 02:42:21 AM
Despite the main frame of the body being one piece, multiple cast pieces are bolted on. It looks like the top cover, which is easily replaced.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on August 26, 2012, 02:47:56 AM
Hard to tell from the close-up photos, but the crack is by the vertical grip shutter.

So you've invented a new Canon lens, that can't be used for landscape photography?  :)
For sure.  It's a rare one-off. Priceless item, but I'm willing to open the bidding...
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: Michael_pfh on August 26, 2012, 03:04:19 AM
Some duct tape should do the trick!
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: hyles on August 26, 2012, 03:10:07 AM
Some duct tape should do the trick!
Useless, unless light leak reaches exposimeter.
Diego
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: Menace on August 26, 2012, 04:57:11 AM
What bad luck  :(

Atleast you can still shoot with it evn though there's not much weather sealing any more.

Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: sandymandy on August 26, 2012, 05:19:30 AM
Thats really a pity! Did you have any huge ass lens attached at the same time?
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on August 26, 2012, 03:11:52 PM
Just a 24-70...
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: traveller on September 01, 2012, 05:49:32 AM
This happened to my mate's 1Ds MkIII (but the crack was by the prism housing).  My advice is to send it to Canon for a repair quote ASAP.  My mate left it (despite having CPS Gold memership) because he was worried about the cost and the loss of use of the camera (despite owning two 1Ds MkIIs!).  In the end Canon's quote for replacing the top plate (which included a full service), was pretty reasonable and they turned it around in a matter of a few days.  Sadly for my friend, his woe's didn't end there; some time after, he started to notice spots appearing in his images.  Even Canon have not been able to fully repair the sensor and they have told him they think that water may have got into the crack and deposited residues onto the anti-aliasing filter, which have etched into it. 
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: M.ST on September 01, 2012, 07:26:02 AM
Never had such problems with a Canon camera.

That´s maybe because I fell with the camera to earth and don´t let only the camera fall down-grin.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: victorwol on September 01, 2012, 08:06:09 AM
Ohhhhh that hurts like a kick in the b..... Hope you are insured. I once got pushed by the crowd and fell on my nose... Well on my 70-200 nose... And trashed it... I know how it feels.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: distant.star on September 01, 2012, 09:04:51 AM

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Why quit before finishing the experiment?

Keep throwing it off the golf cart until we know when it fails -- then we'll have meaningful data!
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: peederj on September 01, 2012, 09:54:47 AM
Right, does it blend.

But seriously, I would be worried things inside would now be misaligned and miscalibrated. Since the lens got hit the whole flange might be torqued etc. I would definitely send it in for repair and rent or use the backup in the meantime.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: almograve on September 01, 2012, 10:22:09 AM
So much for a waterproof camera...do you have insurance?
how much would it cost to replace the frame? do they even offer that type of repair? that would mean changing the all thing I guess...
Hope you live out of photography and that you'll be able to afford a new one....

almograve.com
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on September 01, 2012, 12:09:13 PM
Will probably be sending in for repair on Tuesday... or the next Monday at the latest. It's gaff taped up for the time being. Just avoiding any damp situations.

Insurance should cover it if Canon decides it's totally FUBAR... I'll let you all know the outcome.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: Bosman on September 02, 2012, 08:23:23 PM
Right, does it blend.

But seriously, I would be worried things inside would now be misaligned and miscalibrated. Since the lens got hit the whole flange might be torqued etc. I would definitely send it in for repair and rent or use the backup in the meantime.
I have that Blentec Blender :D
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: canon816 on September 02, 2012, 10:45:40 PM
Don't you have insurance? 
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: risc32 on September 02, 2012, 10:53:28 PM
hope it's an easy, inexpensive fix. i'm a bit surprised how thin that casting looks. i don't know how thin they where in the past, or the techniques used to make them. from the complex shape and thin walls i would guess one of the high tech rotation methods. maybe one of the vacuum methods. anyway, hope it turns out to be no big deal.
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: vuilang on September 03, 2012, 12:11:35 AM
Did you "intentionally" throw it off when you're on a speeding golf cart? did it land on grass or concrete?
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on September 11, 2012, 12:44:27 PM
Did you "intentionally" throw it off when you're on a speeding golf cart? did it land on grass or concrete?
No, I didn't intentionally throw it onto concrete! :o
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on September 11, 2012, 12:49:10 PM
Canon just received the unit for repair and emailed the estimate.  Hopefully it's fixed today and back in my hands tomorrow.

Quote from: Canon Estimate
Camera needs top cover, back cover and front cover

Total repair cost is $879.  My final cost is $342 (Thank God for CPS Platinum!)
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness
Post by: moonwell on September 14, 2012, 02:58:16 PM
Body made it home yesterday.  Looks brand new again, except for the top dial... It looks white/gray like aged rubber. Dial on the vertical shutter is normal. Weird.  Oh well. ::)
(http://www.moonsphoto.com/tmp/1DX-Dial.jpg)
Title: Re: 1D X Structural Weakness [FIXED]
Post by: moonwell on September 17, 2012, 09:23:15 PM
I asked them to return the replaced parts :)

http://www.moonsphoto.com/blog/2012/09/17/canon-1dx-cracked-open/ (http://www.moonsphoto.com/blog/2012/09/17/canon-1dx-cracked-open/)

(http://www.moonsphoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1DX_34169.jpg)

(http://www.moonsphoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1DX_34166.jpg)