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Title: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 06, 2012, 04:51:30 PM
Post your shots from Canon's longest MkII supertele!

Got mine a few days ago, have only had a couple of chances to use it, and those were close to home.  Looking forward to having a bit more free time to travel to some better local spots (Plum Island, etc.). 

All shots taken handheld, first two with the bare lens on an overcast, drizzly late afternoon (note the ISO used), the third on a sunny day (only one this week!) with the 1.4x III, and the last one

Thanks for looking!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8314/8059982917_dce7f34036_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/8059982917/in/set-72157624616702164/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM, 1/320 s, f/4, ISO 6400

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/8059983807_984e6e17e7_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/8059983807/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM, 1/250 s, f/4, ISO 6400

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8059983329_7b79605833_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/8059983329/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II + EF 1.4x III Extender, 1/640 s, f/5.6, ISO 100

...and one bonus shot, the first one I took with the new lens.  It was pouring rain and dark outside, so I decided to treat it as an indoor portrait lens.  ;)  This one is with the 1D X, f/4, 1/160 s, ISO 10000 and handheld.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Richard Lane on October 06, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
Congrats on the new lens John!  What a great combination between the 1DX and 600II. 

Bummer about the weather, but I really like the 1st shot, as the squirrel really "pops off the screen" and the ISO 6400 appears very well controlled too.  Nice capture on the 3rd shot as well.., the Heron looks like a"flasher."

I wish you many incredible shots with your new toy!

Enjoy,
Rich
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: wtlloyd on October 06, 2012, 09:47:21 PM
That squirrel is very impressive, quite a job handheld at 600mm. Congrats.

Any noise reduction for the ISO 6400?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 06, 2012, 10:07:22 PM
Thanks, Rich and wtlloyd!

Any noise reduction for the ISO 6400?

Nothing special - all shots were converted from RAW with default settings in DPP. 
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on October 06, 2012, 10:54:17 PM
Are you using a replacement lens foot with your 600?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 06, 2012, 10:56:40 PM
Are you using a replacement lens foot with your 600?

Yes, the RRS LCF-53.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on October 06, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Are you using a replacement lens foot with your 600?

Yes, the RRS LCF-53.

The same foot I have on my 400! I would've think that a default foot for all the Version 2 lenses would be cheaper as more are being made.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 06, 2012, 11:09:37 PM
Yes, but RRS may rethink that for the 500 II.  There's a note on their website about it not balancing properly on a gimbal when TCs and/or a heavy body are used. It's fine with the 600 II with the 2x and 1D X - that combo has the back of the foot flush with the LLR clamp on the gimbal.  With the 1.4x and 2x stacked, the back of the foot is ~8mm inside the clamp (still safe, according to RRS). 

Since the 600 II is longer and more front-heavy than the 500 II, I expect there might be an issue balancing that lens with a 2x and gripped body.

Interestingly, the RRS foot extends further back than the stock Canon foot or the Kirk replacement - those might be problematic on a gimbal.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Sashi on October 06, 2012, 11:46:58 PM
Hi, I'm still waiting for the 600 II and would like some information regarding the foot. I have a wimberely gimbal head and while interested in the replacement foot I'm apprehensive as the website states it will make it difficult to carry the lens by hand due to the reduced distance. Is this the case or am I ok to go ahead with getting one? Also do you recommend the rrs one over the wimberely?
Thanks
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 07, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
The Wimberley replacement foot is really just a plate, and has no riser.  "Difficult to use as a handle?" I'd say close to impossible.  I just measured the extension of the collar where the foot mounts - it's 1/2" high, I can't see how I could wrap my hand around the Wimberley 'foot'.  I'd definitely recommend the RRS foot over the Wimberley. 

You could also go with the Canon foot and P-50 plate.  The combo won't extend as far back as the RRS foot, but the clamping surface on the Wimberley II is ~60mm long, whereas the RRS PG-02 LLR that I use has an 80mm clamp - the P-50 might not sit all the way back on the platform, but should be entirely within the clamp with most loads (perhaps not if you stack two TCs or mount a flash on the camera hotshoe).
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: wellfedCanuck on October 07, 2012, 08:37:09 AM
Awesome shots. I bet that lens could produce some nice photos at KBOS...  ;)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Sashi on October 07, 2012, 02:04:05 PM
Thanks Neuroanatomist, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: DB on October 07, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Fabulous shots John, especially like the 2nd bird pic - amazing purple & greens blown-out background and incredible detail on both the bird & the branch - so much for handheld at the reciprocal of the focal length! (even with IS, its still good)

btw anyone who thinks that Canon tech is not taking strides forward, should examine those handheld 600mm @ ISO=6400 shots, and realize that enthusiasts can produce National Geographic quality photos.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: pj1974 on October 07, 2012, 06:24:47 PM
Thanks Neuro / John...

Fantastic photos... great colours - even at the high ISOs.

I think you've created some strong images - nice compositions for your 'first few tries' of the combination of a great lens with an awesome body.

The 'bonus' indoor candid shot - I'm imagining that you are some distance away from her then!?

Looking forward to your photos from other locations, Plum Island, etc (not that I know anything about Plum Island from this side of the globe!)

Best wishes...

Paul
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: tron on October 07, 2012, 08:58:39 PM
Very nice images. But hey! I remember you had mentioned you were thinking of a 500mm f/4L IS II. I guess that you got tired waiting.

6400 ISO looks fantastic. I have ordered a 5DMkIII (The maximum I can afford) and I hope it will come a very close second best at 6400 ISO.



 
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 07, 2012, 09:20:48 PM
Very nice images. But hey! I remember you had mentioned you were thinking of a 500mm f/4L IS II. I guess that you got tired waiting.

Thanks!

I had planned on the 500/4 II.  But I decided that I'd really like to use the 1D X rather than the 7D, for the lower ISO noise, better AF, and faster frame rate.  But, 500mm on FF means giving back 140mm vs. 400mm on APS-C.  OTOH, the 600/4 II is essentially the same weight as the original 500/4, so about as handholdable.  Giving back 40mm isn't that big a deal, and with the 1.4x III, I'd gain 200mm relative to 400mm on 1.6x, and have great optical results.  So, I went for the 600/4 II. 
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: K-amps on October 07, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
Very nice images. But hey! I remember you had mentioned you were thinking of a 500mm f/4L IS II. I guess that you got tired waiting.

Thanks!

I had planned on the 500/4 II.  But I decided that I'd really like to use the 1D X rather than the 7D, for the lower ISO noise, better AF, and faster frame rate.  But, 500mm on FF means giving back 140mm vs. 400mm on APS-C.  OTOH, the 600/4 II is essentially the same weight as the original 500/4, so about as handholdable.  Giving back 40mm isn't that big a deal, and with the 1.4x III, I'd gain 200mm relative to 400mm on 1.6x, and have great optical results.  So, I went for the 600/4 II.

Congrats John!

Wish the rest of us could enjoy this Dilemma too  :P
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Dylan777 on October 08, 2012, 11:10:09 AM
Hey Neuro
I love the 1st image "squirrel"

What a killer combo 1D X + 600mm. For some of us, we can only dream about this combo :)

Don't tell me you have this one on your wish list too :P
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: tron on October 08, 2012, 12:05:34 PM
Or even this: http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/ (http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/)

 ;D
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: lesliejmorris on October 15, 2012, 10:03:47 AM
Congratulations on getting your lens!   Question to you and to others who have received their lens.  When did you order and how long did it take them to fulfill your order? I have had mine on order since August 15 and there is no estimate from anyone as to when they might come in.  Also the company whom I ordered from (one of the biggies) won't divulge where I am on the list...it is killing me  >:(  Thanks.  PS.  Love the squirrel!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on October 15, 2012, 10:16:39 AM
Ordered from B&H on 21-Aug, received on 02-Oct (techincally, it 'shipped' on 30-Sep, but that was a Sunday so UPS picked it up on Monday, and delivered it to me Tuesday).

Good luck...you will love it, once you get it!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: lesliejmorris on October 15, 2012, 10:40:31 AM
Dang!  Should have ordered from B&H!  I ordered from Adorama - I will remember that next time.  You ordered five days later than me and have your lens already...
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: chenbro on October 15, 2012, 12:36:24 PM
Here are some shots that I took over the weekend, all shot on a Canon 5D Mark III and with a 1.4x III TC.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: GuyF on October 15, 2012, 01:40:34 PM
Very nice. Makes me begin to think a 300mm 2.8 IS and Kenko 2x TC doesn't cut it  :(
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: lesliejmorris on October 20, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
I was able to talk with Gary Farber or rather email back and forth - wish I had ordered from him in the first place, he was very helpful and I will make sure to talk to him first next camera equipment order I have.  But I am happy to say that the lens I ordered three months ago is FINALLY on its way.  It will be here Wednesday...now to plan where to take it first.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: K-amps on October 21, 2012, 09:22:12 AM
Chenbro, the Egret shot is sublime!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candyman on October 21, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Chenbro, the Egret shot is sublime!


+1
With excellent background color
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: chenbro on October 22, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Chenbro, the Egret shot is sublime!


+1
With excellent background color

Thanks! It was also the only one of those I posted that was hand-held (the cormorant and falcon were both car-door-assisted). The combination of the lens' lighter weight and incredible image stabilization is nothing short of amazing.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on November 02, 2012, 11:10:44 AM
'Ipswich' Savannah Sparrow at 1200mm:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8147679703_1d37658b41_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/8147679703/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II + EF 2x III Extender, 1/500 s, f/8, ISO 1600
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Chris_prophotographic on November 02, 2012, 11:57:22 AM
'Ipswich' Savannah Sparrow at 1200mm:


Do you find the  shot was softened a bit by the 2X, i know your at f8 and in cloud, but hows teh combo of teh 600 Mk II and the 2X mkIII


(getting the 600 mk II soon so just want to get a feel of your expert opinion)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on November 02, 2012, 12:27:01 PM
There's a small hit on sharpness, but it's not bad at all.  Generally, the 600 II + 2xIII combo is excellent, IMO, as is the 1.4xIII.  Obviously, you only have the central AF point(s) with the 2x, and that can make tracking birds in flight a challenge.  Still...it's doable - the shot below is an American Bittern shot handheld, 1200mm, 1/1600 s, f/8, ISO 3200 (he was too far away even at 1200mm...).
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: applecider on November 06, 2012, 12:30:36 PM
A pair of 600 ii plus 1.4 iii  photos, taken on a pretty drab pacific nw day.  Processed a little in dpp resized in photoshop.  I'd love to add a blue sky to the eagle, don't have the time at present.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: applecider on November 13, 2012, 11:11:21 PM
With 1.4 extender 1/400 f 5.6 iso 1250 cropped sized to 72 dpi photoshop
A small step for heron a giant step for kermit kind.....
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: applecider on November 14, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
And another 1/800 5.6 ev +1, iso 1600 600mm+1.4
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on December 30, 2012, 07:43:47 PM
With lens feet from Kirk, RRS, 4th Gen Design and others which one did you go for for your EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/tags/ef600mmf4lisiiusm/) and why?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on December 30, 2012, 09:19:58 PM
With lens feet from Kirk, RRS, 4th Gen Design and others which one did you go for for your EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/tags/ef600mmf4lisiiusm/) and why?

The RRS foot, for better balance on a gimbal while retaining handle function.  I eliminated the Wimberley replacement foot as it can't be used as a handle. I'd never heard of 4th Gen Design, but looking them up, I learned that's the maker of the Mongoose side gimbal, of which I've certainly heard. Although the pic is tiny, it looks much like the Wimberley 'foot' - too flat to be used as a handle.  I believe that is a consequence of the Mongoose and Wimberley side gimbal designs. RRS doesn't have that issue, since their side mount gimbal (which I have) can be adjusted horizontally to center the lens, as opposed to the one-piece design of the others.

I'm not sure what Canon was thinking with the tripod collar on the 600 II, and the 500 II seems even worse. Basically, the Canon foot is too far forward. It's fine with just the body, but when you put a 1-series or gripped body with a 2x TC, the center of mass is right under or very slightly behind the mounting screws on the tripod collar.  The problem is the Canon foot sweeps forward, and a Wimberley P-50 doesn't sit back far enough.  The Kirk foot is designed just like the Canon foot, with the forward sweep.  The RRS foot can be used as a handle, and actually extends slightly behind the mounting screws on the collar.  With the 2xIII and 1D X, the back edge of the foot is flush with the back of the 80mm RRS clamp on the gimbal at the balance point. So, with the Kirk foot or a Wimberley P-50 plate on the Canon foot, the back edge of the foot/plate would be inside the clamp - probably still plenty stable, but I'd prefer to use the full extent of the clamping surface.  Alternatively, with it flush the intrinsic tension/resistance of the head would probably compensate for it being slightly off-balance - but I'd prefer it to be properly balanced.

Probably more detail than you wanted...   ;)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on December 30, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
Actually that's very useful assessment. Is this the foot you are using now? I have this on the 400 at the moment.

(http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRSNET/Images/gallery/LCF53-top.png)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on December 30, 2012, 09:43:11 PM
Yep, that's the one - it's the same foot for the MkII 400, 500, and 600 lenses.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on December 31, 2012, 08:22:49 AM
Thanks and a Happy New Year to you!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Chris_prophotographic on December 31, 2012, 01:56:56 PM
With lens feet from Kirk, RRS, 4th Gen Design and others which one did you go for for your EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/tags/ef600mmf4lisiiusm/) and why?

The RRS foot, for better balance on a gimbal while retaining handle function.  I eliminated the Wimberley replacement foot as it can't be used as a handle. I'd never heard of 4th Gen Design, but looking them up, I learned that's the maker of the Mongoose side gimbal, of which I've certainly heard. Although the pic is tiny, it looks much like the Wimberley 'foot' - too flat to be used as a handle.  I believe that is a consequence of the Mongoose and Wimberley side gimbal designs. RRS doesn't have that issue, since their side mount gimbal (which I have) can be adjusted horizontally to center the lens, as opposed to the one-piece design of the others.

I'm not sure what Canon was thinking with the tripod collar on the 600 II, and the 500 II seems even worse. Basically, the Canon foot is too far forward. It's fine with just the body, but when you put a 1-series or gripped body with a 2x TC, the center of mass is right under or very slightly behind the mounting screws on the tripod collar.  The problem is the Canon foot sweeps forward, and a Wimberley P-50 doesn't sit back far enough.  The Kirk foot is designed just like the Canon foot, with the forward sweep.  The RRS foot can be used as a handle, and actually extends slightly behind the mounting screws on the collar.  With the 2xIII and 1D X, the back edge of the foot is flush with the back of the 80mm RRS clamp on the gimbal at the balance point. So, with the Kirk foot or a Wimberley P-50 plate on the Canon foot, the back edge of the foot/plate would be inside the clamp - probably still plenty stable, but I'd prefer to use the full extent of the clamping surface.  Alternatively, with it flush the intrinsic tension/resistance of the head would probably compensate for it being slightly off-balance - but I'd prefer it to be properly balanced.

Probably more detail than you wanted...   ;)





This kind of Detail amazing,  thank you for being that particular. perfect.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Alex on March 10, 2013, 05:17:56 PM
My contribution :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on March 20, 2013, 03:54:23 AM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8574436606_201200220e_o.jpg) (http://"http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8574436606/")
Spotted Munia (Lonchura punctulata) (http://"http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8574436606/") by alabang (http://"http://www.flickr.com/people/alabang/"), on Flickr

The Scaly-breasted Munia or Spotted Munia (Lonchura punctulata), known  in the pet trade as Nutmeg Mannikin or Spice Finch, is a sparrow-sized  estrildid finch native to tropical Asia. A species of the genus  Lonchura, it was formally described and named by Carl Linnaeus in 1758.  Its name is based on the distinct scale-like feather markings on the  breast and belly. The adult is brown above and has a dark conical bill.  The species has 11 subspecies across their range and differ slightly in  size and colour.

This Munia eats mainly on grass seeds apart from berries and small  insects. They forage in flocks and communicate with soft calls and  whistles. The species is highly social and may sometimes roost with  other species of munias. This species is found in tropical plains and  grasslands. Breeding pairs construct dome-shaped nests using grass or  bamboo leaves.

The species is endemic to Asia and occurs from India and Sri Lanka east  to Indonesia and the Philippines. It has been introduced into many other  parts of the world and feral populations have established in Puerto  Rico and Hispaniola as well as parts of Australia and the United States  of America. The bird is listed as of Least Concern by the International  Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaly-breasted_Munia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaly-breasted_Munia)

Taken in Muntinlupa City

Settings: 1/1000 ƒ/4 ISO250 600mm (http://"http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8574436606/meta/in/photostream")
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: gary samples on April 15, 2013, 11:46:25 AM
Starting the next generation she shoots pretty good a  Little heavy on the trigger finger !
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on April 20, 2013, 07:01:50 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8390/8573613369_99f9840f07_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573613369/)
Little Egret (Egretta garzetta) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573613369/#) by alabang (http://www.flickr.com/people/alabang/), on Flickr

The Little Egret is more delicate-looking than any other heron-like bird which occurs in Britain. It is much smaller than a Grey Heron, with snowy white plumage, a long pointed black bill and black legs with strikingly yellow feet.
Habitat

Feeds by the edges of lakes, reservoirs, rivers, brackish lagoons and saltpans. Breeds in waterside trees and bushes.
Behaviour

The plumes which are present in spring serve to emphasise the threat and appeasement gestures given at the nest.
Migration

Most of the European population migrates west and south, mostly to north Africa but also, to an increasing degree, to the european side of the Mediterranean and the Atlantic coasts. After fledging, juveniles disperse almost randomly from July to September. This movement is presumably governed by prevailing feeding conditions.

Source: http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=20023 (http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=20023)

Location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntinlupa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntinlupa)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: eml58 on April 20, 2013, 09:40:46 PM
Starting the next generation she shoots pretty good a  Little heavy on the trigger finger !

Good one Gary, your right need to start them Young, both my Lads are into it as well, oldest prefers Video, youngest Stills, I'm continuously amazed at how good they are, I think it's the Youth of today, they adapt so quickly to technology, I'm always asking my 13 year old how to get through a Menu.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: eml58 on April 20, 2013, 10:15:28 PM
5DMK III 600f/4 V2, shot @ f/4.5 & 1/160th ISO1250

Right on Sundown, Mala Mala South Africa March 2013, had to use the 600 as the Mother was right on top of her young Cub & the Cub was not used to the vehicle, haven't had a lot of opportunity yet to use this Lens, mostly it's been the 300f/2.8 & 400f/2.8 V2's, but like it so far.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on June 07, 2013, 01:16:39 PM
"Cleared for Landing"

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5347/8978575755_4a369d01df_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/8978575755/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II + EF 1.4x III Extender, 1/1600 s, f/6.3, ISO 400
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on June 07, 2013, 02:33:21 PM
"Cleared for Landing"

That's a very nice one neuroanatomist. Beautiful!  8)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on June 24, 2013, 05:28:18 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8250/8573883185_d60760662a_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573883185/)
Little Egret (Egretta garzetta) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573883185/#) by alabang (http://www.flickr.com/people/alabang/), on Flickr

The Little Egret is more delicate-looking than any other heron-like bird which occurs in Britain. It is much smaller than a Grey Heron, with snowy white plumage, a long pointed black bill and black legs with strikingly yellow feet.
Habitat

Feeds by the edges of lakes, reservoirs, rivers, brackish lagoons and saltpans. Breeds in waterside trees and bushes.
Behaviour

The plumes which are present in spring serve to emphasise the threat and appeasement gestures given at the nest.
Migration

Most of the European population migrates west and south, mostly to north Africa but also, to an increasing degree, to the european side of the Mediterranean and the Atlantic coasts. After fledging, juveniles disperse almost randomly from July to September. This movement is presumably governed by prevailing feeding conditions.

Source: http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=20023 (http://www.birdguides.com/species/species.asp?sp=20023)

EXIF: http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573883185/#meta/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8573883185/#meta/)

Location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntinlupa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntinlupa)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vossie on July 12, 2013, 06:18:24 AM
5DMK III 600f/4 V2, shot @ f/4.5 & 1/160th ISO1250

Right on Sundown, Mala Mala South Africa March 2013, had to use the 600 as the Mother was right on top of her young Cub & the Cub was not used to the vehicle, haven't had a lot of opportunity yet to use this Lens, mostly it's been the 300f/2.8 & 400f/2.8 V2's, but like it so far.

Awesome!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: arbitrage on September 28, 2013, 08:42:49 PM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on September 28, 2013, 08:46:39 PM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...


Great shots arbitrage....And welcome to cr  :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on September 28, 2013, 08:53:04 PM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...


Great shots arbitrage....And welcome to cr  :)
+1

Lovely shots! Look forward to more :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Jim Saunders on September 28, 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...

!

Jim
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: eml58 on September 28, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...

Very nice, welcome to CR, Love the Eagles.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: RGF on September 29, 2013, 12:18:27 AM
I want one - have about 3/4 of the $ for it.  Now only if there was a black friday sale soon  ;D  I can hope, can't I? Or should I say dream  ::)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: RGF on September 29, 2013, 12:19:44 AM
Actually that's very useful assessment. Is this the foot you are using now? I have this on the 400 at the moment.

(http://reallyrightstuff.com/mmRRSNET/Images/gallery/LCF53-top.png)

I have the 4th generation foot on my 200-400.  Much closer to the body (does not work well as a handle) but packs very well in the backpack
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: serendipidy on September 29, 2013, 01:25:35 AM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...

Fantastic photos. You've just made my wallet start to worry ;D
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on September 29, 2013, 09:24:25 AM
5DMK III 600f/4 V2, shot @ f/4.5 & 1/160th ISO1250

Right on Sundown, Mala Mala South Africa March 2013, had to use the 600 as the Mother was right on top of her young Cub & the Cub was not used to the vehicle, haven't had a lot of opportunity yet to use this Lens, mostly it's been the 300f/2.8 & 400f/2.8 V2's, but like it so far.

Stunning!  I can't see myself having (or spending) the money to get a lens like this at this time in my life, but pictures like this are very compelling!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: J.R. on September 29, 2013, 10:13:24 AM
Thought I'd post a few eagles shot with this great lens...

Excellent pics!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: arbitrage on September 29, 2013, 11:38:02 AM
Thanks to everyone who commented on the eagle photos.  I've been reading these forums for a while but thought I might as well contribute also.  I have good access to these eagles in the wild as we have two very accessible nests (one with live webcam that successfully fledged triplets this season).  The close headshot is one of these 3 fledglings.  The adult landing on the tree is the parent from that nest.  The adult perched is the parent from the other nest that raised 2 fledglings this year.
While I'm out shooting the eagles I occasionally get lucky with a flyby from some other raptor species.  Here is a shot from Friday of one such flyby by a male Northern Harrier.  I should also note that all these images are shot handheld.  I use the RRS replacement foot for a good handle and as a plate when I do use a tripod or monopod.  The lens is handhold-able for a short time to follow the bird as it flies across, the rest of the time I either have it on the ground, on my tripod to rest it, or just carry it by the foot at my side.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: serendipidy on September 29, 2013, 08:15:49 PM
arbitrage,
Truly amazing photos!. Well done. Where are you located? :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: eml58 on September 30, 2013, 12:48:07 AM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on September 30, 2013, 09:13:49 AM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Awesome.  That is far from the "starving" versions you often see in the media. Love the slight blue of the ice!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: arbitrage on September 30, 2013, 01:27:36 PM
arbitrage,
Truly amazing photos!. Well done. Where are you located? :)

Thanks, I'm located in Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada.  Near Alaska.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: J.R. on September 30, 2013, 01:41:30 PM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Excellent ... as always!

Cheers ... J.R.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on September 30, 2013, 10:18:58 PM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Awesome.  That is far from the "starving" versions you often see in the media. Love the slight blue of the ice!
+1

It does look cool!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: J.R. on September 30, 2013, 11:56:00 PM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Awesome.  That is far from the "starving" versions you often see in the media. Love the slight blue of the ice!
+1

It does look cool!

Quite right ... it does look cool, literally as well as figuratively  ;)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Greatland on October 04, 2013, 12:46:47 AM
Coastal Brown Bear IDX with 600 with 1.4 extender
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on October 04, 2013, 02:27:04 PM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Awesome. I really like your polar bear. Well done Sir!  8)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: serendipidy on October 04, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
Northern Svalbard, From the Deck of the MS Stockholm, August 2013.

1Dx 600f/4 II + 1.4x, Shot @ 840mm F/8 & 1/500th ISO250

Awesome. I really like your polar bear. Well done Sir!  8)

+1...they are all simply amazing.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: revup67 on November 23, 2013, 11:53:08 PM
Got this lens on loan from CPS - day 1 1st impressions:  after you get used to the massive and awkwardness of this lens, its most impressive.  I opted to lug it around without anything other than the camera strap and the lens strap.  I had a 3/8" threaded handle from a ZOOM H4N hand held 4 track recorder (looks like a cone) that I mounted in the female threaded foot.  I wouldn't dare hoist the lens up with my left hand by that cone shaped handle, but with the assistance of my right hand under the lens and left on the vertical handle it made it fairly easy to hand maneuver and obtain birding photos.

Here's a few all handheld on IS Mode 1 of 3, Manual, AF, faithful mode at 1/500, F4.5 or 6.3 with Auto ISO which averaged at 1000 across these 3 photos.  The AF was on Expansion or Zone AF with AI Servo enabled.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3677/11021853793_e452c621dc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021853793/)
Golden-crowned-Sparrow (11453) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021853793/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3676/11021071994_30af823417_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021071994/)
Northern Mockingbird (11466) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021071994/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/11020743205_77ef649000_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11020743205/)
House Finch (female) 11469 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11020743205/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: serendipidy on November 24, 2013, 05:04:50 AM
Got this lens on loan from CPS - day 1 1st impressions:  after you get used to the massive and awkwardness of this lens, its most impressive.  I opted to lug it around without anything other than the camera strap and the lens strap.  I had a 3/8" threaded handle from a ZOOM H4N hand held 4 track recorder (looks like a cone) that I mounted in the female threaded foot.  I wouldn't dare hoist the lens up with my left hand by that cone shaped handle, but with the assistance of my right hand under the lens and left on the vertical handle it made it fairly easy to hand maneuver and obtain birding photos.

Here's a few all handheld on IS Mode 1 of 3, Manual, AF, faithful mode at 1/500, F4.5 or 6.3 with Auto ISO which averaged at 1000 across these 3 photos.  The AF was on Expansion or Zone AF with AI Servo enabled.

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3677/11021853793_e452c621dc_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021853793/)
Golden-crowned-Sparrow (11453) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021853793/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3676/11021071994_30af823417_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021071994/)
Northern Mockingbird (11466) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11021071994/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/11020743205_77ef649000_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11020743205/)
House Finch (female) 11469 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11020743205/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

Very impressive. So sharp with nice detail and great bokeh.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: revup67 on December 04, 2013, 12:10:12 AM
Here's a few more...its gone now, back to Canon in Newport News, Virginia

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3687/11200200983_f2692a9724_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11200200983/)
Clark's Grebe (11901) Non-breeding (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11200200983/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3752/11185308965_72da9d6ac9_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11185308965/)
Ridin' The December Sky at 5:05 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11185308965/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3672/11184001435_4c36cc1325_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11184001435/)
Two Cactus Wrens (11878) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11184001435/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/11176938193_3227eaeaf7_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11176938193/)
Cactus Wren (11871) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11176938193/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5493/11146412555_49eeb4656f_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11146412555/)
American Kestrel (11848) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11146412555/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5536/11145908154_1f74875d9d_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11145908154/)
White-faced Ibis (11836) In Flight (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11145908154/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2843/11106828875_a05e324550_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11106828875/)
Townsend's Warbler (11679) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11106828875/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/11105726604_685714e2b1_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11105726604/)
Red-breasted Sapsucker (11710) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11105726604/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7322/11089124386_c1d3b85b3f_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11089124386/)
Ruby-crowned Kinglet (male)(11616) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/revup67/11089124386/#) by Revup67 (http://www.flickr.com/people/revup67/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on December 04, 2013, 10:17:08 AM
Here's a few more...its gone now, back to Canon in Newport News, Virginia

Lovely pictures!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on December 04, 2013, 10:20:07 AM
Here's a few more...its gone now, back to Canon in Newport News, Virginia


Beautiful shots. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: neuroanatomist on December 07, 2013, 06:13:40 PM
"At the Shore"
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/11259420314_27837528dd_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/11259420314/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II + EF 1.4x III Extender, 1/2000 s, f/8, ISO 500

Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on December 07, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
I look at the shots on this thread and I wish I was not impressed. There might be some combos of lens and extenders that get close at 600 but nothing I see delivers like this at 600 and +


Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on December 07, 2013, 06:45:47 PM
"At the Shore"


Thanks for looking!

The 3 amigos all in step, very nice
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on December 07, 2013, 06:53:27 PM
"At the Shore"

Thanks for looking!

Very nice shot neuro. Well done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: tron on December 07, 2013, 07:48:54 PM
"At the Shore"
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/11259420314_27837528dd_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dr_brain/11259420314/in/set-72157624462563459/lightbox/)
EOS 1D X, EF 600mm f/4L IS II + EF 1.4x III Extender, 1/2000 s, f/8, ISO 500

Thanks for looking!
They seem deeply in thought. I guess they are trying to decide between Canon and Nikon ...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on December 09, 2013, 12:44:37 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8588122425_c30c115951_o.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8588122425/)
Indigo-banded Kingfisher (Alcedo cyanopectus) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8588122425/#) by alabang (http://www.flickr.com/people/alabang/), on Flickr

The Indigo-banded Kingfisher (Alcedo cyanopectus) is a species of bird in the Alcedinidae family. It is endemic to the Philippines, where it is a generally uncommon but locally common resident of the northern and central islands. There are two subspecies, the nominate race, which occurs on Luzon, Polillo, Mindoro, Sibuyan and Ticao, and A. c. nigriostris, which is found in Panay, Negros and Cebu. It forms a superspecies with the Silvery Kingfisher of the southern Philippines.[1]

The Indigo-banded Kingfisher feeds on fish and aquatic insects. It perches on rocks and overhanging branches and foliage and dives steeply into the water to catch its prey. Once caught, it returns the prey to the perch where it is beaten and swallowed. Little is known about its breeding behaviour, although it is known to nest in tunnels dug into the banks of streams and rivers.[1]

Its natural habitats are subtropical or tropical dry forests and subtropical or tropical mangrove forests.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo-banded_Kingfisher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo-banded_Kingfisher)

Taken at San Pablo City, Philippines

Settings: 1/320 ƒ/4 ISO 5000 600mm (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/8588122425/#meta/)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on February 09, 2014, 11:52:13 AM
One of first images taken with my brand new 600mm. Hard part was that the worthless tripod and ballhead was to weak so they could not keep the lens still. I had to use the "timer setting" and set that one to 10sec until shutter was released because of the vibrations of the tripod. The ballhead was also so weak so I had to have the moon outside of the frame and then when the lens kept slowly turning down the picture was taken. =)
I´m really looking forward to receive my package with the new tripod and gimbal head that I ordered but the picture came out ok anyway I think. This is the first time I take a picture of the moon. A lot more fun with a 600mm and a 1,4x converter than my 70-200 so that might be the reason. Haha.  8)
(http://)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on February 10, 2014, 07:02:48 PM
Morlin,

Tripod Head
http://stores.4gdphoto.com/m-3-6-gimbal-tripod-head/ (http://stores.4gdphoto.com/m-3-6-gimbal-tripod-head/)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/404536-REG/Wimberley_WH_200_Gimbal_Type_Tripod_Head.html/c/product/#inpage:IN+STOCK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/404536-REG/Wimberley_WH_200_Gimbal_Type_Tripod_Head.html/c/product/#inpage:IN+STOCK)

Tripod Legs
(BH says it's good for 500mm only but Gitzo says it's good for 600mm)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846215-REG/Gitzo_GT4542LS_GT4542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846215-REG/Gitzo_GT4542LS_GT4542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html)

(BH says it's good for 600mm only but Gitzo says it's good for 800mm)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846220-REG/Gitzo_GT5542LS_GT5542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846220-REG/Gitzo_GT5542LS_GT5542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html)

Above combination is very pricey but considering the 600mm is about $12,800 and does not include the body and other accessories attached then it becomes commensurate to the purchase.

A lousy tripod leg & head will increase the likelihood of garbage shots and an increase of preventable accidents. It will require extra effort & diligence to keep steady. If you value your time like everyone else then go with this combination. Trust me, you do not want to waste a weekend just because you can save $1000.

Another option to add is a replacement lens foot that affords a lower center of gravity and lighter lens. Just be mindful if the clearance for your fingers will fit your fingers.

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/s.nl/sc.26/category.3554/.f (http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/s.nl/sc.26/category.3554/.f)
http://stores.4gdphoto.com/canon-is-ii/ (http://stores.4gdphoto.com/canon-is-ii/)
http://www.naturescapes.net/store/naturescapes.net-clf-456-lens-replacement-foot.html (http://www.naturescapes.net/store/naturescapes.net-clf-456-lens-replacement-foot.html)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on February 11, 2014, 01:15:34 AM
Morlin,

Tripod Head
http://stores.4gdphoto.com/m-3-6-gimbal-tripod-head/ (http://stores.4gdphoto.com/m-3-6-gimbal-tripod-head/)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/404536-REG/Wimberley_WH_200_Gimbal_Type_Tripod_Head.html/c/product/#inpage:IN+STOCK (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/404536-REG/Wimberley_WH_200_Gimbal_Type_Tripod_Head.html/c/product/#inpage:IN+STOCK)

Tripod Legs
(BH says it's good for 500mm only but Gitzo says it's good for 600mm)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846215-REG/Gitzo_GT4542LS_GT4542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846215-REG/Gitzo_GT4542LS_GT4542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html)

(BH says it's good for 600mm only but Gitzo says it's good for 800mm)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846220-REG/Gitzo_GT5542LS_GT5542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/846220-REG/Gitzo_GT5542LS_GT5542LS_6x_4_SECTION_SYSTEMATIC.html)

Above combination is very pricey but considering the 600mm is about $12,800 and does not include the body and other accessories attached then it becomes commensurate to the purchase.

A lousy tripod leg & head will increase the likelihood of garbage shots and an increase of preventable accidents. It will require extra effort & diligence to keep steady. If you value your time like everyone else then go with this combination. Trust me, you do not want to waste a weekend just because you can save $1000.

Another option to add is a replacement lens foot that affords a lower center of gravity and lighter lens. Just be mindful if the clearance for your fingers will fit your fingers.

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/s.nl/sc.26/category.3554/.f (http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/s.nl/sc.26/category.3554/.f)
http://stores.4gdphoto.com/canon-is-ii/ (http://stores.4gdphoto.com/canon-is-ii/)
http://www.naturescapes.net/store/naturescapes.net-clf-456-lens-replacement-foot.html (http://www.naturescapes.net/store/naturescapes.net-clf-456-lens-replacement-foot.html)


Thank you for your detailed list of gear and your advices.

When I ordered my 600mm the search for good gear to use with it had started and today I hope the tripod and the other stuff will be delivered that I ordered. I have started some threads here asking for advice and I bought the gear that seems to be the best. I know that a Gitzo of the 5000-series might have been even more sturdy but somewhere I need to draw the line between weight/size and how sturdy the tripod is.
I have bought a RRS TVC-34L tripod, Wimberley gimbal head, RRS replacement foot and some camouflage gear from LensCoat for both the tripod, gimbal head and lens. As soon as my next paycheck arrives on my account I will also buy a RRS leveling base.

I have never even seen a RRS tripod in reality so I hope that it is as good as it says. They are expensive but I wanted the best when I bought a lens that expensive. I want a setup that is a joy to use otherwise the lens will stay at home too many times and I will loose interest for it even though it´s a good lens.

Regards / Johan
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on April 19, 2014, 03:59:04 AM
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3753/13909596152_74ccbabf83_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nc9jkj)
Philippine Bulbul (Hypsipetes philippinus) (https://flic.kr/p/nc9jkj) by 500px.com/dolina (https://www.flickr.com/people/91429492@N00/), on Flickr

The Philippine Bulbul (Hypsipetes philippinus) is a songbird species in the bulbul family (Pycnonotidae). It is often placed in the genus Ixos, but is better retained in Hypsipetes as long as this is not entirely merged into Ixos, as it is quite closely related to the type species of Hypsipetes, the Black Bulbul (H. leucocephalus).[2] It is endemic to the Philippines. Its natural habitats are subtropical or tropical moist lowland forests and subtropical or tropical moist montane forests; on Mount Kitanglad on Mindanao for example it is abundant in any kind of primary forest at least between 500 and 2,250 m ASL.[3] Both the Mindoro Bulbul and the Visayan Bulbul were formerly considered subspecies. Fledglings of the Philippine Bulbul were recorded on Mindanao in late April, but the breeding season seems to be prolonged as females with ripe ovarian follicles were still found in April and May. Territorial songs are heard at lower altitudes as late as May, while further upslope the birds are silent at that time of year and presumably engaged in breeding activity. The Besra (Accipiter virgatus) has been recorded as a predator of young Philippine Bulbuls, and this or other goshawks might also catch adult birds.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Bulbul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Bulbul)

Location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Escudero_Plantations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Escudero_Plantations)

ƒ/9.0
1200.0 mm
1/40
12800
No flash
Shutter speed priority AE
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on April 19, 2014, 04:19:58 AM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candyman on April 19, 2014, 04:47:12 AM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.

Those are stunning! Beautiful.
Thanks for sharing them here on the forum.
Well done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Eldar on April 19, 2014, 05:25:57 AM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.
Excellent work! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on April 19, 2014, 09:11:37 AM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.


Awesome. Well done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: traingineer on April 19, 2014, 12:47:23 PM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.

Simply amazing!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: tron on April 19, 2014, 06:31:14 PM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.
Amazing photos. Congratulations!
And a little cheating I might say. The Atlas GEM helped in low shutter speeds - this is not the cheating I am talking about  :) -  and the eclipse was visible from US - this is the cheating I was talking about  ;D ;D ;D.
(Many  :( :(  or even  >:( >:( for me!)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on April 19, 2014, 08:05:20 PM
Took some images of the eclipse we had a few days ago with my 600. They turned out pretty great, if I may say so myself. ;)

Orion Atlas GEM
Canon EOS 7D
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
BackyardEOS (For image sequence acquisition)

ISO 100 @ f/8, shutter speeds from 1/250th to 15s.
Amazing photos. Congratulations!
And a little cheating I might say. The Atlas GEM helped in low shutter speeds - this is not the cheating I am talking about  :) -  and the eclipse was visible from US - this is the cheating I was talking about  ;D ;D ;D.
(Many  :( :(  or even  >:( >:( for me!)

:P

There are three more total eclipses coming. This was the first of the current tetrad, so there is one in October, and another in spring and late fall next year. The latter two are supposed to be more visible from other parts of the globe. I'll only get to see them at sunrise or sunset (which might in and of itself make for an interesting wide angle progression.)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: dolina on May 17, 2014, 12:09:13 PM
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5579/14019446399_49f0c21cb8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/nmRjZ6)
Philippine Pied Fantail (Rhipidura nigritorquis) (https://flic.kr/p/nmRjZ6) by alabang (https://www.flickr.com/people/91429492@N00/), on Flickr

Settings: 1/800 f/4.5 600mm ISO 6400 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/alabang/14019446399/meta)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on May 17, 2014, 12:10:29 PM
Very nice Paolo  8)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Northbird on September 08, 2014, 10:46:41 PM
A simply wonderful lens.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5553/14808975008_cae1da4d1b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oyBSkj)
Great Blue Heron (Ardea herodias) (https://flic.kr/p/oyBSkj) by Tony Varela Photography (https://www.flickr.com/people/41978378@N08/)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on September 09, 2014, 02:57:14 AM
A nice morning.

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Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on September 09, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
A nice morning.

Lovely. Nicely done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candyman on September 09, 2014, 11:12:41 AM
A nice morning.



Excellent shot. Nice those drops of water.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Steve on September 09, 2014, 01:13:38 PM
A nice morning.

Cool.  Ruff?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on September 09, 2014, 01:34:12 PM
Thank you all.

What do you mean by Ruff?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on September 09, 2014, 01:39:51 PM
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Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: DominoDude on September 09, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
Thank you all.

What do you mean by Ruff?
Han undrade om det var en Brushane - Ruff - Philomachus pugnax
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Morlin on September 09, 2014, 02:47:53 PM

Han undrade om det var en Brushane - Ruff - Philomachus pugnax

Ok:) Tackar.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Steve on September 09, 2014, 02:52:43 PM
Ok , ja det ser trevligt!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 09, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
i have been considering this lens for a while and decided to get one after talking to a couple guys using the lenses. i just got it today and haven't had a chance to do any real shooting with it yet but here are a couple test shots taken while getting the afma set on the 7dii. they are with the 1.4xiii. i don't see how there can be a better lens for small birds like this. the weight is not a big deal as i am used to shooting the sigma 120-300s which is pretty heavy but the thing is enormous. it was really windy today and the lens hood is as big as an airport windsock!

there is no extra sharpening or tweaking just dxo default conversion, there is no module for the lens+tc
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Eldar on January 10, 2015, 01:21:37 AM
i have been considering this lens for a while and decided to get one after talking to a couple guys using the lenses. i just got it today and haven't had a chance to do any real shooting with it yet but here are a couple test shots taken while getting the afma set on the 7dii. they are with the 1.4xiii. i don't see how there can be a better lens for small birds like this. the weight is not a big deal as i am used to shooting the sigma 120-300s which is pretty heavy but the thing is enormous. it was really windy today and the lens hood is as big as an airport windsock!

there is no extra sharpening or tweaking just dxo default conversion, there is no module for the lens+tc
Congratulations with your purchase! I agree, there is no better lens for small birds, especially combined with the 1.4xIII. But as you say, it´s big. I often go on longer hikes in the mountains and I sometimes wonder what I´m doing, carrying this beast. But then you get That image and suddenly size and weight is no issue. The size is actually a bigger issue that its weight to me.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 10, 2015, 07:48:56 AM
you are right about the iq. i wasn't immediately impressed but after doing some test shooting and zeroing the focus then it is fantastic. i had to make a +8 afma adjustment on the 7dii. i really like how good the photos look from this lens straight away. it goes without saying that its easier to get a good output image if you have a good one to start with.  sort of like smoked fish.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 10, 2015, 09:34:42 PM
well i got to do some real shooting down by one of the dams on the wisconsin river today. the light was crap. my only reluctance with getting this lens earlier was that i thought it may be a hindrance to be stuck with too much lens. it may be true that you cannot always get the framing you want but you can just go with it and then crop some more to get some really tight shots like this eagle.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candyman on January 11, 2015, 05:53:17 AM
well i got to do some real shooting down by one of the dams on the wisconsin river today. the light was crap. my only reluctance with getting this lens earlier was that i thought it may be a hindrance to be stuck with too much lens. it may be true that you cannot always get the framing you want but you can just go with it and then crop some more to get some really tight shots like this eagle.


Wonderful shot!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 11, 2015, 07:00:24 AM
A nice morning.



just a lovely photo.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on January 11, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
well i got to do some real shooting down by one of the dams on the wisconsin river today. the light was crap. my only reluctance with getting this lens earlier was that i thought it may be a hindrance to be stuck with too much lens. it may be true that you cannot always get the framing you want but you can just go with it and then crop some more to get some really tight shots like this eagle.

Great shot, candc. Well done.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on January 11, 2015, 11:47:33 AM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on January 11, 2015, 12:08:27 PM
Lovely shots, Vern.  8)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: DominoDude on January 11, 2015, 12:28:48 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).

Those are exquisite, Vern! I especially like the last one, it would fit nicely in any bird guide straight away.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candyman on January 11, 2015, 01:09:46 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).


Superb! I especially like the last one.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on January 11, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).

Those are exquisite, Vern! I especially like the last one, it would fit nicely in any bird guide straight away.

sometimes the bird and the light and the kit all come together - its one of my favorites too
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: serendipidy on January 11, 2015, 06:43:30 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).


Superb! I especially like the last one.
+1
Really nice series, Vern.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 11, 2015, 09:45:43 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).


Superb! I especially like the last one.

+1 that last one is a work of art.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on January 12, 2015, 10:31:57 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).

i really like how balanced the lighting is on these photos. i don't know much about flash photography. when you say -1 2/3 do you mean ettl with fec set to that? i have a better beamer and i have tried and liked how the flash brings out the contrast and the small details in the feathers but my shots look harsh compered to yours
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on January 14, 2015, 05:43:42 PM
Nuthatch trilogy all with 600II + 1.4X III, 5DIII + fill flash w better beamer (-1 & 2/3 stops typically).

i really like how balanced the lighting is on these photos. i don't know much about flash photography. when you say -1 2/3 do you mean ettl with fec set to that? i have a better beamer and i have tried and liked how the flash brings out the contrast and the small details in the feathers but my shots look harsh compered to yours

Hi Candc,
Thanks to all for the kind words. I do use ETTL with the high-speed synch and set the flash exposure compensation to -1 and 1/3 to -1 and 2/3 stops. The amount needs to be adjusted based on backlighting and the general exposure conditions. I test fire a few on branches etc to get an idea of how harsh the flash will appear. Like you, I sometimes find it is overdone, but the flash adds so much 'pop' in the details and a nice 'catchlight' in the eye that usually brings everything to life. With the 600 + 1.4, I am using the flash mounted with the Canon off-camera flash cord extender placed closer to the end of the lens than the camera (front of better beamer just behind the end of the lens hood). All this is usually on a RRS full gimbal on a tripod, so it is easy to handle. Also, my best luck is near my feeders (sunflower and suet) shooting from a blind. These birds are so small, you really need to be close - even with 840mm.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: LovePhotography on February 12, 2015, 12:19:21 AM
Getting better...
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 12, 2015, 12:52:48 AM
Nice shot, LovePhoto! The 600 is great for the moon.


It's also great for other space stuff. Orion's Sword:


(http://i.imgur.com/2ArNGg8.jpg)


Canon EOS 5D III
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
Orion Atlas EQ-G (Rowan Belt Mod)
Really, really dark skies
Over 2h 20m total exposure time

(http://astrob.in/142576/C/rawthumb/gallery/get.jpg) (http://astrob.in/full/142576/C/)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on February 12, 2015, 08:36:51 AM
Great shot Jon. You still have that problem with the small triangles appearing in some stars?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: TWI by Dustin Abbott on February 12, 2015, 09:13:20 AM
Nice shot, LovePhoto! The 600 is great for the moon.


It's also great for other space stuff. Orion's Sword:


(http://i.imgur.com/2ArNGg8.jpg)


Canon EOS 5D III
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
Orion Atlas EQ-G (Rowan Belt Mod)
Really, really dark skies
Over 2h 20m total exposure time

(http://astrob.in/142576/C/rawthumb/gallery/get.jpg) (http://astrob.in/full/142576/C/)

That is amazing!  Very cool capture!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: mackguyver on February 12, 2015, 09:22:23 AM
It's also great for other space stuff. Orion's Sword:

Over 2h 20m total exposure time

That is an awesome shot! It's pretty amazing that you can do that with camera equipment instead of a huge telescope.  I can't imagine waiting over 2 hours for an exposure - I get impatient when I do 90s exposures!  Also, do you do the second dark frame exposure as well with such a long exposure?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: tron on February 12, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
It's also great for other space stuff. Orion's Sword:

Over 2h 20m total exposure time

That is an awesome shot! It's pretty amazing that you can do that with camera equipment instead of a huge telescope.  I can't imagine waiting over 2 hours for an exposure - I get impatient when I do 90s exposures!  Also, do you do the second dark frame exposure as well with such a long exposure?
Awesome indeed. I do not have complex equipment for tracking, just an older version of Astrotrac which when polar aligned (as much as possible with its mediocre system) can give me a 10 to 15 times tops increase in exposure time (without star trails).

So I was thinking despite my 500 f/4 to use a much wider lens like 135mm f/2 or a 85 1.2 and to crop.

Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Eldar on February 12, 2015, 11:10:16 AM

Canon EOS 5D III
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
Orion Atlas EQ-G (Rowan Belt Mod)
Really, really dark skies
Over 2h 20m total exposure time
Excellent shot Jon! I can certainly understand people getting hooked on capturing the sky above, when results like this is possible. I have never tried myself, but sure feel tempted.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 12, 2015, 11:32:31 AM
Nice shot, LovePhoto! The 600 is great for the moon.


It's also great for other space stuff. Orion's Sword:


(http://i.imgur.com/2ArNGg8.jpg)


Canon EOS 5D III
Canon EF 600mm f/4 L II
Orion Atlas EQ-G (Rowan Belt Mod)
Really, really dark skies
Over 2h 20m total exposure time

(http://astrob.in/142576/C/rawthumb/gallery/get.jpg) (http://astrob.in/full/142576/C/)
Absolutely fabulous!
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 12, 2015, 01:34:01 PM
Thanks, guys! :)


For what it's worth, the Canon telephoto lenses basically ARE telescopes. :P They are actually along the lines of larger telescopes. A lot of really good imagers I know use $400-$1200 refracting telescopes that are a lot smaller, but regarded as quite high quality in the astro world. There are some top of the line scopes our there with tons of advanced features, like special cooling fans and airflow systems and the like (Officina Stellare HiperAPO, for example) that also cost $10,000 - $15,000. The big difference between a scope like that an a Canon great white is mainly the back end configurability...the ability to use robotic focusers, off-axis guiders, field rotators, etc. You need over 100mm of backfocus to use all that kind of stuff, and Canon lenses only have 56mm of backfocus.


Regarding the exposure. It is not one single exposure. It's actually a bunch of 240 second individual exposures, which are then calibrated (bias subtracted, dark subtracted, flat divided), registered (aligned so the stars match up), and stacked (combined with an averaging algorithm, usually one that also does sigma outlier rejection). The "total integration time" or "total exposure time" is the total exposure time across all those sub exposures. So the image above was created from 35 240 second long exposures.


Here is another one. Horse head and Flame nebulas:


(http://i.imgur.com/FE0C6ta.jpg)


Same equipment, same place, this time about 3h 30m exposure.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: mackguyver on February 12, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
Thanks for the explanation and it sounds like post-processing is a major task with these.  That's a lot of work that goes into them!  The second shot is also incredible!  Your astro work keeps getting more and more amazing.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 12, 2015, 01:54:03 PM
Thanks for the explanation and it sounds like post-processing is a major task with these.  That's a lot of work that goes into them!  The second shot is also incredible!  Your astro work keeps getting more and more amazing.


Thanks, Mac. ;)


Definitely a LOT of processing. Anyone who complains about spending a few minutes on their daytime photos should give astro a try. When you spend two or three weekends perfecting one image, the amount of time you have to spend on daytime photos starts to feel totally trivial. :P



Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 12, 2015, 09:01:16 PM
Jrista, what software do you use for stacking?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 12, 2015, 11:31:59 PM
I do just about everything now in PixInsight. Sub exposure culling, calibration, registration, stacking, integration calibration (background extraction, color calibration, etc.), image processing, etc.


I sometimes bring images with too much banding into Photoshop for some debanding (have a great PS action that does that better than anything else),  but mostly...everything is done in PixInsight, even stacking.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 13, 2015, 01:13:48 PM
Thanks. As it is 230 euro, I will look for some free software for now.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 13, 2015, 04:02:17 PM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: StudentOfLight on February 13, 2015, 06:59:49 PM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Jon, I haven't seen you on the forum much these days, clearly you've been busy doing really amazing imaging.
I echo the sentiments of others here, truly awe inspiring stuff!

Regarding paid software... I guess in the greater scheme of things how much is $250. Considering how much one spends on a lens and body, and tracking mount, how much time, money and effort goes into the planning a trip and executing the shots, etc... If software makes your life easier and/or gives you results that you are happy with then it sounds like a solid investment.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 13, 2015, 08:58:52 PM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Jon, I haven't seen you on the forum much these days, clearly you've been busy doing really amazing imaging.
I echo the sentiments of others here, truly awe inspiring stuff!

Regarding paid software... I guess in the greater scheme of things how much is $250. Considering how much one spends on a lens and body, and tracking mount, how much time, money and effort goes into the planning a trip and executing the shots, etc... If software makes your life easier and/or gives you results that you are happy with then it sounds like a solid investment.
You have a valid point there :)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 14, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Jon, I haven't seen you on the forum much these days, clearly you've been busy doing really amazing imaging.
I echo the sentiments of others here, truly awe inspiring stuff!

Regarding paid software... I guess in the greater scheme of things how much is $250. Considering how much one spends on a lens and body, and tracking mount, how much time, money and effort goes into the planning a trip and executing the shots, etc... If software makes your life easier and/or gives you results that you are happy with then it sounds like a solid investment.
You have a valid point there :)


Aye. You probably couldn't find anything else in the astro world for as little as $250. Some scopes are as low as $400, but those are usually really short wide field refractors that work best with APS-C-sized sensors.


Most decent scopes are around a grand. Very good scopes are five grand or so. Top of the line scopes are over ten grand, and can be as high as thirty or fourty grand.


An entry-level mount is $1500, a midrange mount is $3000-$6000, and high end mounts are again ten grand and can be well over twenty grand (although a new breed of light weight/portable high end mounts has hit the market, like the Astro-Physics Mach1 or the Paramount MyT, which are about $7500...they don't have the 100lb plus capacities, but they are extremely good mounts).


Then you have your cameras. Aside from ILC cameras, you have your CCDs. Those range in price from around two grand for a "midrange" one from Atik, QHY, Starlite, to around five grand for one of the nice SBIG or QSI ones or a little more for an FLI Microline, to ten to fourty grand for one of the big chips (either FF size 36x24mm, or what they call large format in the astro world, which is 37x37mm or now, with FLI's latest new beast, the 49x37mm 50.1mp Microline 50100.)


So, yeah. Seriously, $250 is a drop in the bucket.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 14, 2015, 12:27:33 AM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Jon, I haven't seen you on the forum much these days, clearly you've been busy doing really amazing imaging.
I echo the sentiments of others here, truly awe inspiring stuff!

Regarding paid software... I guess in the greater scheme of things how much is $250. Considering how much one spends on a lens and body, and tracking mount, how much time, money and effort goes into the planning a trip and executing the shots, etc... If software makes your life easier and/or gives you results that you are happy with then it sounds like a solid investment.

Thanks. Glad you like the images. :)

Yeah, I don't spend much time here anymore. I realized that there is a group of members who have the capacity to be profoundly nasty, childish people. I realized that for a time, I was a part of that group, and after a couple incidents with a guy named Dean Agar, I decided I wanted to have nothing to do with those people, and that I no longer wanted to be one myself. Also, thanks to the astrophotography and renting some other brands cameras, I realized that many of the people I argued with so hard for a couple years there were actually right, and that I was wrong...Canon has a serious read noise issue and it's holding back their IQ. (Truly serious issues...Canon read noise, once you spend a year digging through it looking for every stray electron's worth of detail you can extract, is the nastiest stuff on the face of the planet when compared to the read noise of Sony, Samsung, and Toshiba sensors. Once you see what Canon read noise really looks like, and how it affects the signal...well, you can never un-see it... :\) Voicing those opinions basically made me a pariah here.

Eh, whatever. I get a hell of a lot more out of doing astrophotography, and talking about it on astro forums, than I ever got out of this place. The die-hard fanboys can have it, as far as I am concerned. :P I've lost too much faith in Canon to keep waiting for them to deliver a product I really want anyway...so I don't have much driving me back here. The 5Ds is interesting...but given the current rumors and official Canon rep statements, I'm quite skeptical of it actually offering any real improvements on the read noise front. I've been significantly more interested in Sony and Samsung products lately, especially after seeing some astro friends disassemble them and marvel at the quality of their construction (and openly voice their confusion at some of Canon's poorer quality innards.)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Eldar on February 14, 2015, 02:30:31 AM
Jon, for what it´s worth; I enjoy reading your posts and, even though I am not nearly as educated as you, I share your views. I also think it´s worth saying that most of us see how some twist your words, opinions and reasoning and put statements in your mouth you never expressed. So, please continue. The only way to stretch Canon is to be vocal about what we want them to deliver. A fanclub praising anything they do does not help!

I have a photography friend with a D810 and we hike together, shooting much of the same. My high ISO shots are better than his. But the majority of what we do is low(er) ISO and my 1DX/5DIII is nowhere near the IQ he gets from the D810. Yes, I have some lenses he can´t use on the D810, but we have pretty much the same Zeiss collection, which takes lenses out of the argument. I´ve negotiated a price for a Pentax 645z package, but I hesitate to order, because I really don´t want to drag two camera systems around. But unless the 5Ds or the 5DIV proves to be better than I currently believe, I´ll go for a split system. I´ll get the next 1DXII for my long whites, but I´ll convert the rest.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 14, 2015, 08:10:44 PM
Jon, for what it´s worth; I enjoy reading your posts and, even though I am not nearly as educated as you, I share your views. I also think it´s worth saying that most of us see how some twist your words, opinions and reasoning and put statements in your mouth you never expressed. So, please continue. The only way to stretch Canon is to be vocal about what we want them to deliver. A fanclub praising anything they do does not help!
+1
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: rpt on February 14, 2015, 08:26:32 PM
Wow, the price went up on that... When I bought it, it was 190 euros, which came out to around $250. It was some of the best $250 I've ever spent, for sure. The only other more worth-while money I spent on astrophotography was my mount...but that is simply because, without it, I wouldn't need PixInsight. :P
Jon, I haven't seen you on the forum much these days, clearly you've been busy doing really amazing imaging.
I echo the sentiments of others here, truly awe inspiring stuff!

Regarding paid software... I guess in the greater scheme of things how much is $250. Considering how much one spends on a lens and body, and tracking mount, how much time, money and effort goes into the planning a trip and executing the shots, etc... If software makes your life easier and/or gives you results that you are happy with then it sounds like a solid investment.
You have a valid point there :)


Aye. You probably couldn't find anything else in the astro world for as little as $250. Some scopes are as low as $400, but those are usually really short wide field refractors that work best with APS-C-sized sensors.


Most decent scopes are around a grand. Very good scopes are five grand or so. Top of the line scopes are over ten grand, and can be as high as thirty or fourty grand.


An entry-level mount is $1500, a midrange mount is $3000-$6000, and high end mounts are again ten grand and can be well over twenty grand (although a new breed of light weight/portable high end mounts has hit the market, like the Astro-Physics Mach1 or the Paramount MyT, which are about $7500...they don't have the 100lb plus capacities, but they are extremely good mounts).


Then you have your cameras. Aside from ILC cameras, you have your CCDs. Those range in price from around two grand for a "midrange" one from Atik, QHY, Starlite, to around five grand for one of the nice SBIG or QSI ones or a little more for an FLI Microline, to ten to fourty grand for one of the big chips (either FF size 36x24mm, or what they call large format in the astro world, which is 37x37mm or now, with FLI's latest new beast, the 49x37mm 50.1mp Microline 50100.)


So, yeah. Seriously, $250 is a drop in the bucket.
Yes, it is a drop in the bucket. I realise that. I have always wanted to do astrophotography. All I have done so far is a few star trails a few "starry starry night" shots and some moon shots. I do want to shoot the Andromeda Galaxy (before it hits us  ;) ). Buying the software will be a first step. I think I will need a mount next. I will stick with my 5D3, 7DIi, the 100-400L and the 70-200L for now. Thanks for all the input. Your posts are always informative. Thank you.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: ERHP on February 15, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Thanks, guys! :)

For what it's worth, the Canon telephoto lenses basically ARE telescopes. :P They are actually along the lines of larger telescopes. A lot of really good imagers I know use $400-$1200 refracting telescopes that are a lot smaller, but regarded as quite high quality in the astro world. There are some top of the line scopes our there with tons of advanced features, like special cooling fans and airflow systems and the like (Officina Stellare HiperAPO, for example) that also cost $10,000 - $15,000. The big difference between a scope like that an a Canon great white is mainly the back end configurability...the ability to use robotic focusers, off-axis guiders, field rotators, etc. You need over 100mm of backfocus to use all that kind of stuff, and Canon lenses only have 56mm of backfocus.

Regarding the exposure. It is not one single exposure. It's actually a bunch of 240 second individual exposures, which are then calibrated (bias subtracted, dark subtracted, flat divided), registered (aligned so the stars match up), and stacked (combined with an averaging algorithm, usually one that also does sigma outlier rejection). The "total integration time" or "total exposure time" is the total exposure time across all those sub exposures. So the image above was created from 35 240 second long exposures.

Here is another one. Horse head and Flame nebulas:

(http://i.imgur.com/FE0C6ta.jpg)

Same equipment, same place, this time about 3h 30m exposure.

Seriously awesome shots!  I thought I had a lot of patience waiting for some of the critter shots but nothing like that.  Would probably be willing to try something like that if I could find a place with less light pollution.  The night a couple of years back the power went out for San Diego and Imperial counties would have probably been great.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 15, 2015, 01:44:19 PM
Here is another. I just had a run of six clear nights...something I've never seen before...and got a ton of data on several targets. Most were galaxies, the one nebula was Rosette. This is an 11 hour integration (164x240s subs).


5D III + 600mm f/4 + 1.4x (840mm 1.55"/px) on Atlas mount


Two versions, one "narrow band" like and one "natural color":


(http://i.imgur.com/qVRl9Hd.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/Hoagxps.jpg)


This is my longest integration to date, at 11 hours. I did this from my back yard with an IDAS LPS-P2 light pollution filter. That's replacing my Astronomik CLS filter, and it's actually quite amazing. Not entirely dark site quality data, but quite good data nevertheless.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on February 15, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Awesome shot. I prefer the second version.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: LovePhotography on February 15, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
Those photos are the most amazing photos I've seen on this website. My goodness gracious.
Here I thought I'd grown a larger manhood cause I just got a 600mm with TC and 6D and you post something that looks like it was shot with the Hubble. :)
I'm gonna need some Viagra.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on February 15, 2015, 06:19:50 PM
Here is another. I just had a run of six clear nights...something I've never seen before...and got a ton of data on several targets. Most were galaxies, the one nebula was Rosette. This is an 11 hour integration (164x240s subs).


5D III + 600mm f/4 + 1.4x (840mm 1.55"/px) on Atlas mount


Two versions, one "narrow band" like and one "natural color":




This is my longest integration to date, at 11 hours. I did this from my back yard with an IDAS LPS-P2 light pollution filter. That's replacing my Astronomik CLS filter, and it's actually quite amazing. Not entirely dark site quality data, but quite good data nevertheless.

I like the first one the best. Your Astro images are inspirational and now you've got me wanting to try it.

I live next to a small town, its yellow on the dark sky maps but I have a cabin up north, its blue on the maps there.

http://www.telescope.com/Mounts-Tripods/Equatorial-Mounts-Tripods/Orion-Atlas-EQ-G-Computerized-GoTo-Telescope-Mount/pc/-1/c/2/sc/34/p/24338.uts

Is that the mount you are using?

Can you recommend a tutorial site or books to get started?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 15, 2015, 10:05:24 PM
Candc, that is indeed the mount I have. My mount has also been upgraded with the Rowan Engineering belt mod, which eliminates a number of gears in favor of pulleys and belts. That eliminates a good deal of backlash, makes the mount more responsive, makes it quieter, etc. The belt mod is another $200. I've also hypertuned it, which improves performance. You can get a kit for doing that for $200, or buy the various parts you require yourself for less than $60. Hypertuning requires mechanical skill, a VERY careful hand, and a LOT of patience and time...it's a slow, methodical process, and I don't recommend it unless you really know what you are doing.


Both the hypertune and belt mod gave me the performance I needed to get these images. Before them, my tracking was around 2-3" RMS, while my image scale was 1.5"/px. Combined with seeing, before modding my stars were usually 6" or so in size, whereas after modding they are about 2.8" in size. That really matters once you get down to it...tight stars are a key factor in a quality image. I recommend the belt mod regardless of your mechanical skill...it greatly improves the performance of the mount.


Regarding getting started in astrophotography, I don't know of any books. I'm a self starter, I have taught myself everything I know my entire life. My knowledge is all based on theory I knew, theory I learned (usually just researching on the internet), practical experience, and trial and error. I am happy to help when I can, but I don't own any astrophotography books, so I can't really help there. I do know a guy who sells CDs for beginners. Jerry Lodriguss, astropix.com. You could start there.

Astrophotography is the most complex form of photography on the planet, by far. I love to see more people getting interested in it...but before you drop a lot of cash on the hobby, make sure you have the patience for it. The Rosette images above? That was five solid nights of imaging, four hours a nigh on Rosette (and the other four on other targets). That is 20 hours of just image acquisition. Another few hours to gather darks and flats (I needed new darks...usually I use a library for those). Over five solid hours of pre-processing, nearly two for frame analysis and rejection (based on a variety of technical factors in the image...FWHM (Full Width Half Maximum, a measure of star diameters), Eccentricity (a measure of star roundness), Noise and Noise Support, etc.), and over three hours of actual image integration work. That was all done in PixInsight with SubframeSelector and Batch PreProcessing scripts and the PI Integration tools. After that came about nine hours of extensive and detailed processing. That involved a lot of heavy work in PixInsight to remove background gradients (gradients are a bitch, and you end up with lots of them in the city because of LP), calibrate color. I extracted an artificial luminance channel and process that with deconvolution, noise reduction, star reduction, more noise reduction, stretching, and finally contrast tuning. After processing the lum, I went back to the original image and started processing the color (noticed a marked change in color after one step, made a copy at the previous, and then split the processing into two paths to get both images above). The color processing involved extensive heavy noise reduction, but you still have to be careful with that so as to avoid star bloat and color fringing in overly softened detail, star reduction, stretching, color contrast and color toning. Finally I had to combine the luminance with both sets of RGB data, and did further processing on those to again enhance contrast and bring out detail without exacerbating noise. That was over eight hours of processing right there. After that, I then started working on all the exports. First I had to export to Potoshop for final processing (vertical banding NR), then final export back into PixInsight for cropping, resizing, and export of multiple versions of the data at multiple sizes, including full size, 50%, small web size, in lum only and both RGB images. I spent a little extra time creating these two images with detail crops as well:


(http://i.imgur.com/GVopQD3.jpg)


(http://i.imgur.com/PUYSDyZ.jpg)

All in all, it was over nine hours of processing before I was finally finished, and about 14 hours of total processing time. The entire process from start to finish including image acquisition was over 35 hours. On ONE object.

I'm not trying to show off here...I just want you guys to understand the level of effort required to make images like these. It is extremely time consuming, requires very dedicated effort, expensive equipment, and both diligence and patience to get through the first six to eight months (which are usually very difficult, as you struggle with all the mechanical and optical and electronic aspects of your gear before you finally learn how it all works, figure out how to keep it all balanced and operating smoothly and guided well and all that). I spent the last year (literally, I started doing astrophotography Feb. 12, 2014) learning how to do all of this, and the images I've shared here are indicative of both the experience I gained over the last year, as well as all the base theoretical knowledge I had going into things.

I LOVE to see new people get interested in astrophotography, for sure. But it's expensive. Excluding my 600mm lens (which is a big part of the reason I was able to progress so fast...it is a flat fielded 150mm aperture f/4 "telescope"...those things cost at least $10,000 in the astro world anyway, and often significantly more; most people start out with something like an 80mm APO Triplet at f/6 or so), I've put over three grand into mount, mount upgrades, guide equipment, filters, large capacity deep cycle batteries, laptop, software, and a wide range of accessories. All of that is very low end equipment, and the hypertuning/belt mod barely gets the mount up to snuff (and a lot of the time, it simply isn't...and my IQ suffers considerably...I can share some examples of how.)

If you love this kind of stuff, love tinkering and fiddling, want to learn a highly technical form of art, then you won't have any problems. On the other hand, if you think it just takes a night of pointing a scope at the sky, and a couple of hours of processing to create images like Rosette, or the Orion images, I recommend you at least learn more about the hobby before you spend money. Even a very low end mount is $1200-$1500, and that is the bare minimum. I would rather you guys be educated enough to know what your getting into, than to recommend you just dive in and spend a lot of money on a hobby that you may find is not something you want to or have the time to invest a lot of effort into. There are simpler ways of starting as well. You can get a Polari or AstroTrac and use a DSLR with smaller wider field lenses to get amazing images for about a grand. That's a much cheaper way to start, an while it still requires and investment of time, it's not nearly as much as it took to produce the Rosette images I just shared.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Greatland on February 15, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
When I purchased my 600 I couldn't fit it in my backpack so I looked around and the only bag that I could find, anywhere was a Tamrac Expedition 9X bag....I can put my 600 down the middle, with the lens hood still attached...can still put my 1DX, charger, a couple more smaller lenses and some other accessories in the backpack....I NEVER EVER CHECK ANY PHOTOGRAPHY EQUIPMENT AS BAGGAGE.  Waaaay too many thieves who work for the airlines....My wife carries my second back pack with my 200-400, my MK IV and the rest of my lenses, etc....a lot of carry but when I am in Africa, Alaska, or anywhere else I would rather have too much equipment than be sitting around going, why didn't I bring that with me...
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: candc on February 15, 2015, 11:16:57 PM
Candc, that is indeed the mount I have. My mount has also been upgraded with the Rowan Engineering belt mod, which eliminates a number of gears in favor of pulleys and belts. That eliminates a good deal of backlash, makes the mount more responsive, makes it quieter, etc. The belt mod is another $200. I've also hypertuned it, which improves performance. You can get a kit for doing that for $200, or buy the various parts you require yourself for less than $60. Hypertuning requires mechanical skill, a VERY careful hand, and a LOT of patience and time...it's a slow, methodical process, and I don't recommend it unless you really know what you are doing.


Both the hypertune and belt mod gave me the performance I needed to get these images. Before them, my tracking was around 2-3" RMS, while my image scale was 1.5"/px. Combined with seeing, before modding my stars were usually 6" or so in size, whereas after modding they are about 2.8" in size. That really matters once you get down to it...tight stars are a key factor in a quality image. I recommend the belt mod regardless of your mechanical skill...it greatly improves the performance of the mount.


Regarding getting started in astrophotography, I don't know of any books. I'm a self starter, I have taught myself everything I know my entire life. My knowledge is all based on theory I knew, theory I learned (usually just researching on the internet), practical experience, and trial and error. I am happy to help when I can, but I don't own any astrophotography books, so I can't really help there. I do know a guy who sells CDs for beginners. Jerry Lodriguss, astropix.com. You could start there.

Astrophotography is the most complex form of photography on the planet, by far. I love to see more people getting interested in it...but before you drop a lot of cash on the hobby, make sure you have the patience for it. The Rosette images above? That was five solid nights of imaging, four hours a nigh on Rosette (and the other four on other targets). That is 20 hours of just image acquisition. Another few hours to gather darks and flats (I needed new darks...usually I use a library for those). Over five solid hours of pre-processing, nearly two for frame analysis and rejection (based on a variety of technical factors in the image...FWHM (Full Width Half Maximum, a measure of star diameters), Eccentricity (a measure of star roundness), Noise and Noise Support, etc.), and over three hours of actual image integration work. That was all done in PixInsight with SubframeSelector and Batch PreProcessing scripts and the PI Integration tools. After that came about nine hours of extensive and detailed processing. That involved a lot of heavy work in PixInsight to remove background gradients (gradients are a bitch, and you end up with lots of them in the city because of LP), calibrate color. I extracted an artificial luminance channel and process that with deconvolution, noise reduction, star reduction, more noise reduction, stretching, and finally contrast tuning. After processing the lum, I went back to the original image and started processing the color (noticed a marked change in color after one step, made a copy at the previous, and then split the processing into two paths to get both images above). The color processing involved extensive heavy noise reduction, but you still have to be careful with that so as to avoid star bloat and color fringing in overly softened detail, star reduction, stretching, color contrast and color toning. Finally I had to combine the luminance with both sets of RGB data, and did further processing on those to again enhance contrast and bring out detail without exacerbating noise. That was over eight hours of processing right there. After that, I then started working on all the exports. First I had to export to Potoshop for final processing (vertical banding NR), then final export back into PixInsight for cropping, resizing, and export of multiple versions of the data at multiple sizes, including full size, 50%, small web size, in lum only and both RGB images. I spent a little extra time creating these two images with detail crops as well:



All in all, it was over nine hours of processing before I was finally finished, and about 14 hours of total processing time. The entire process from start to finish including image acquisition was over 35 hours. On ONE object.

I'm not trying to show off here...I just want you guys to understand the level of effort required to make images like these. It is extremely time consuming, requires very dedicated effort, expensive equipment, and both diligence and patience to get through the first six to eight months (which are usually very difficult, as you struggle with all the mechanical and optical and electronic aspects of your gear before you finally learn how it all works, figure out how to keep it all balanced and operating smoothly and guided well and all that). I spent the last year (literally, I started doing astrophotography Feb. 12, 2014) learning how to do all of this, and the images I've shared here are indicative of both the experience I gained over the last year, as well as all the base theoretical knowledge I had going into things.

I LOVE to see new people get interested in astrophotography, for sure. But it's expensive. Excluding my 600mm lens (which is a big part of the reason I was able to progress so fast...it is a flat fielded 150mm aperture f/4 "telescope"...those things cost at least $10,000 in the astro world anyway, and often significantly more; most people start out with something like an 80mm APO Triplet at f/6 or so), I've put over three grand into mount, mount upgrades, guide equipment, filters, large capacity deep cycle batteries, laptop, software, and a wide range of accessories. All of that is very low end equipment, and the hypertuning/belt mod barely gets the mount up to snuff (and a lot of the time, it simply isn't...and my IQ suffers considerably...I can share some examples of how.)

If you love this kind of stuff, love tinkering and fiddling, want to learn a highly technical form of art, then you won't have any problems. On the other hand, if you think it just takes a night of pointing a scope at the sky, and a couple of hours of processing to create images like Rosette, or the Orion images, I recommend you at least learn more about the hobby before you spend money. Even a very low end mount is $1200-$1500, and that is the bare minimum. I would rather you guys be educated enough to know what your getting into, than to recommend you just dive in and spend a lot of money on a hobby that you may find is not something you want to or have the time to invest a lot of effort into. There are simpler ways of starting as well. You can get a Polari or AstroTrac and use a DSLR with smaller wider field lenses to get amazing images for about a grand. That's a much cheaper way to start, an while it still requires and investment of time, it's not nearly as much as it took to produce the Rosette images I just shared.

Thanks for the words of discouragement  :D I expect the dedication it must take and am 100% sure  its very frustrating, especially at first but it has to be very rewarding as well. I will do some reading up and decide what level of commitment I am willing to give to the pursuit. I definitely want to give it a go to some extent.

That website list's an upgraded version of that mount with a belt drive. Is that similar to the belt drive mod you recommend?

http://www.telescope.com/Orion-Atlas-Pro-AZEQ-G-Computerized-GoTo-Telescope-Mount/p/102340.uts


Thanks for the advice and sharing your images, its always a pleasure to view them.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on February 16, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
Yeah, the Atlas Pro is basically a ready-to-go version. It's about $500 more expensive, whereas the belt mod itself is $200. If you have mechanical skill, I would say get the original Atlas and the belt mod, save the $300. If not, the Atlas Pro is a good mount.


I'm also not really trying to discourage, just make sure you know exactly what's involved. If you are up for it, it's an awesome hobby, and it is most definitely rewarding.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on March 05, 2015, 05:00:43 PM
A few recent shots with the 600II -/+ 2XTCIII. I have wondered about the IQ of the combo and thought others might appreciate some real world shots. Wildlife around Jackson Hole and in Yellowstone made good subjects. All images were shot with the 1Dx body and processed using DPP4 + DLO + sharpness of 6 and then processed to lower res JPEGs to post.

#1 Bighorn profile: 1/250, f5.6, ISO320; 600II alone
#2 Bighorn trio: 1/1250, f11, ISO1600; 600II + 2XIII

a few more w the 2X to come.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on March 05, 2015, 05:10:17 PM
#1 1/1000, f11, ISO640 (5DMKIII this time - forgot I used this body w this combo too)
#2 1/640, f13, ISO640 (1Dx)
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Vern on March 05, 2015, 05:25:01 PM
#1 1/800, f11, ISO 800, 2XIII and cropped from full frame to 2000X1100 - lots of thermal turbulence in this one
#2 1/1000, f11, ISO800, 2XIII -minimal crop - this one had a focus issue, I think. The file shows the central focus point in focus on the animals neck. Maybe 1/1000 was not a fast enough shutter at 1200mm? I hate I goofed this one b/c this was the closest wolf all week.

Overall, the IQ of 600II + 2X III was quite acceptable when the lighting was good (IMO). However, I think I underestimated the shutter speed needed to stop motion of subjects and the combo did not handle back-lighting well (none shown since I already deleted those files before deciding to post this).
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: FEBS on August 10, 2015, 03:54:34 PM
Today, I decided to buy the EF 600mm f/4.0 L ii, so this afternoon I made a trip to my local vendor and bought the 600ii together with a second 1Dx.

Took a while to get to this point. Last year during my safari in Zimbabwe, I mentioned that I used a lot the 560mm of my 200-400 1.4x. However for birds this was not enough. The 784mm of that lens (internal and external 1.4 extender) has only a f/8 aperture with only one focus point. As I am going to Uganda in September, I wanted more reach. So my lensset for that trip will now be the 600 f4.0 ii +1.4x, 300 2.8ii, 70-200 2.8ii, 24-70 2.8ii and the 16-35 f4.0. I hope to get the wildlife further away but also the birds, of which there are a lot in Uganda, wildlife in the equators forest and of course the silverback on the CF card. After my trip I will post some shots over here.

Other suggestions for lenses for that trip ?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: diegovanetti on August 16, 2015, 04:48:08 AM
This is my longest integration to date, at 11 hours. I did this from my back yard with an IDAS LPS-P2 light pollution filter. That's replacing my Astronomik CLS filter, and it's actually quite amazing. Not entirely dark site quality data, but quite good data nevertheless.

How did you adapt the IDAS filter to your drop-in holder? Did you remove the glass and inserted the IDAS?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Mistkäfer on December 19, 2015, 06:09:10 AM
Made with  7d2

First with TC 1.4III arround 80meters , Second 60-70meters
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: FEBS on December 19, 2015, 06:36:16 AM
Made with  7d2

First with TC 1.4III arround 80meters , Second 60-70meters

Very nice shots.

Did you use a tripod or monopod ?
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Mistkäfer on December 19, 2015, 06:44:43 AM
Thanks.
I use an Sirui  5214x with ubh45
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: jrista on December 20, 2015, 06:23:04 PM
VDB27, Ced30, and a bunch of LDN, LBN and Barnard dark nebula from a dusty region of space in Taurus near the Pleiades:

(http://i.imgur.com/Asy09Qw.jpg)

Canon 5D III w/ 600mm f/4 L II. Total of over 8 hours of exposure, and another several hours worth of processing.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on December 20, 2015, 06:27:07 PM
Made with  7d2

First with TC 1.4III arround 80meters , Second 60-70meters


Great shots. I especially like the second picture.
Title: Re: Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM
Post by: Click on December 20, 2015, 06:28:54 PM
VDB27, Ced30, and a bunch of LDN, LBN and Barnard dark nebula from a dusty region of space in Taurus near the Pleiades:

Canon 5D III w/ 600mm f/4 L II. Total of over 8 hours of exposure, and another several hours worth of processing.

Beautiful picture.  8) Well done, Jon.