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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 18, 2014, 11:07:16 PM »
If interested here is a quick informal test I did yesterday. Crop cameras are the best birding cameras IMO beating a FF pretty handily. Especially with the new crop sensors from sony.

Interesting that Art Morris (of who's website your URL is seemingly a parody, and who actually shoots birds instead of posed pooches) uses the 1D X and 5DIII with Canon 500/600 II lenses and delivers impressive images. 

I must say, your opinion smells like birds that fart.  :-X

  Non sense.  I personally do not like his pics that much, but many do.  Many others that use Canon equipment I like much better.
Just went to your site. Looks like you use the 1dx and 5D III & 600 II.  Birding photography, you are not very good IMO. Very poor.  Jrista, on the other hand is very talented IMO. But, I don't have to agree with him for sure.

  Great hobby though.... all the best.

Thanks again for sharing your opinion.  You already know what I think of it...

Enjoy your hobby!

Same here.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 18, 2014, 10:57:15 PM »
If interested here is a quick informal test I did yesterday. Crop cameras are the best birding cameras IMO beating a FF pretty handily. Especially with the new crop sensors from sony.

Interesting that Art Morris (of who's website your URL is seemingly a parody, and who actually shoots birds instead of posed pooches) uses the 1D X and 5DIII with Canon 500/600 II lenses and delivers impressive images. 

I must say, your opinion smells like birds that fart.  :-X

  Non sense.  I personally do not like his pics that much, but many do.  Many others that use Canon equipment I like much better.
Just went to your site. Looks like you use the 1dx and 5D III & 600 II.  Birding photography, you are not very good IMO. Very poor.  Jrista, on the other hand is very talented IMO. But, I don't have to agree with him for sure.

  Great hobby though.... all the best.

 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 18, 2014, 03:36:58 PM »
How big is the birding/ wildlife photography base for a high end crop camera? I know that the bird/ wildlife pro photographers trend toward 1DX, but there are some very well respected pros using 7D and the Big Whites. Amateurs with this interest are grouped into "money no object (already own a Big White)", "value for money, middling budget (using a Little White 400, 100-400, or a Tammy, planning on upgrading to Big White eventually)", and "bargain basement / don't plan to invest in a Big White, will stick with Little White". I am in the middle group and am a good sales target for a high end crop camera. The last group will be reluctant to pay a premium over the 70D for a higher frame rate.  The first group? I have to say that I have not seen many 1DXs in the hands of amateur bird/wildlife photographers locally, with the exception of a very few tripod/blind shooters.


   I can afford a Idx, and I would not buy one for birding even at half the price. I tried one and tried the 5D III. Those are not birding cameras IMO. Or at least not for me.
  After the new big whites came out with the new FF cameras. My friends that I shoot with changed very quick. And just raved. I have been looking at there photos for the last two years. The detail and quality of there photos have gone downhill. And not just by a little. All of them also bought the new 600 to go with the new cameras.

 If interested here is a quick informal test I did yesterday. Crop cameras are the best birding cameras IMO beating a FF pretty handily. Especially with the new crop sensors from sony.

http://www.birdsthatfart.com/1/post/2014/07/pentax-k-3-sigma-300mm-f28-lens-vs-canon-1d-mark-iv-7d-300mm-f28-ii.html


Good thing in your post you put "IMO."


  LOL, yea,, I knew this was coming...
The ISO performance is much better also. But, everyone has there own views..

  Cheers, and chill out.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 18, 2014, 03:11:43 PM »
How big is the birding/ wildlife photography base for a high end crop camera? I know that the bird/ wildlife pro photographers trend toward 1DX, but there are some very well respected pros using 7D and the Big Whites. Amateurs with this interest are grouped into "money no object (already own a Big White)", "value for money, middling budget (using a Little White 400, 100-400, or a Tammy, planning on upgrading to Big White eventually)", and "bargain basement / don't plan to invest in a Big White, will stick with Little White". I am in the middle group and am a good sales target for a high end crop camera. The last group will be reluctant to pay a premium over the 70D for a higher frame rate.  The first group? I have to say that I have not seen many 1DXs in the hands of amateur bird/wildlife photographers locally, with the exception of a very few tripod/blind shooters.


   I can afford a Idx, and I would not buy one for birding even at half the price. I tried one and tried the 5D III. Those are not birding cameras IMO. Or at least not for me.
  After the new big whites came out with the new FF cameras. My friends that I shoot with changed very quick. And just raved. I have been looking at there photos for the last two years. The detail and quality of there photos have gone downhill. And not just by a little. All of them also bought the new 600 to go with the new cameras.

 If interested here is a quick informal test I did yesterday. Crop cameras are the best birding cameras IMO beating a FF pretty handily. Especially with the new crop sensors from sony.

http://www.birdsthatfart.com/1/post/2014/07/pentax-k-3-sigma-300mm-f28-lens-vs-canon-1d-mark-iv-7d-300mm-f28-ii.html


The fact that your friends bird photo quality went downhill is not indicative of the equipment, it's indicative of their own skill. I'd wager that they are having a harder time with the larger, heavier equipment, but that is something that can be dealt with via practice.

Big name, long time pros use the 1D X and the 5D III, and they make phenomenal bird photos with both. There are also some pros that use the 7D and 100-400, and their work is still excellent. It's a matter of skill, really. There is certainly the IQ benefit if you can get closer with a bigger frame and a longer lens...more pixels on subject and more light gathered. If you know how to use a 7D and a smaller lens, and use it in good light, it is extremely difficult to tell the difference.

I think the 7D line with the 100-400 and Tammy 150-600 really fill the growing market of budget birders, who can't spend $20,000 on a 1D X and 600/4 II, or who simply refuse to/can't justify it, don't want the big heavy equipment, whatever reason.

I use a 7D and 5D III with a 600/4 II myself. There is no question that the 7D has the reach, but I've got the skill...and more importantly the patience, to get close. The large frame of the 5D III definitely gets the better IQ if and when I fill the frame. Assuming the 7D II get a good still photography IQ boost and gets a much-improved AF system, I'll probably get one to replace the 7D at some point in the future. If instead the 7D II hits as a "big time" DSLR video camera, I'll skip it.


  Yea, that is why I do not get a full frame. My buds, with the extra bulk, it is killing them. Skill level? Sure, you can sneak up closer, and in a hide it is a big plus. 
  IMO, FF Canon bodes are  a bust for all around birding, But Canon does not have a good crop sensor camera either. Canon shooters do not have much of an option.
 The new Nikon 810 FF might change my mind shooting FF. I cannot wait until pics start coming in.

 Just not there yet IMO.

 
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 18, 2014, 02:05:17 PM »
How big is the birding/ wildlife photography base for a high end crop camera? I know that the bird/ wildlife pro photographers trend toward 1DX, but there are some very well respected pros using 7D and the Big Whites. Amateurs with this interest are grouped into "money no object (already own a Big White)", "value for money, middling budget (using a Little White 400, 100-400, or a Tammy, planning on upgrading to Big White eventually)", and "bargain basement / don't plan to invest in a Big White, will stick with Little White". I am in the middle group and am a good sales target for a high end crop camera. The last group will be reluctant to pay a premium over the 70D for a higher frame rate.  The first group? I have to say that I have not seen many 1DXs in the hands of amateur bird/wildlife photographers locally, with the exception of a very few tripod/blind shooters.


   I can afford a Idx, and I would not buy one for birding even at half the price. I tried one and tried the 5D III. Those are not birding cameras IMO. Or at least not for me.
  After the new big whites came out with the new FF cameras. My friends that I shoot with changed very quick. And just raved. I have been looking at there photos for the last two years. The detail and quality of there photos have gone downhill. And not just by a little. All of them also bought the new 600 to go with the new cameras.

 If interested here is a quick informal test I did yesterday. Crop cameras are the best birding cameras IMO beating a FF pretty handily. Especially with the new crop sensors from sony.

http://www.birdsthatfart.com/1/post/2014/07/pentax-k-3-sigma-300mm-f28-lens-vs-canon-1d-mark-iv-7d-300mm-f28-ii.html

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EOS Bodies / Re: Eos7D mk2, How EXCITED will you be if . . .?
« on: July 16, 2014, 01:09:50 PM »
I dunno. I've read the subsequent DPAF patents, and there isn't anything remotely revolutionary in there. Mostly just using different sized photodiodes for the AF part, and a means of increasing sensitivity for AF without reducing IQ. If that's all Canon's got for the 7D II, they are going to take a HUGE reputation hit...and they HAVE to know that... (If they don't, then they've totally lost touch with their customer base, and I am seriously hoping that's not the case.)


Are you suggesting that the people here are representative of Canon's customer base?  I see lots of clamoring for better IQ on forums but until the 70D, the 7D remained a strong seller.  I'd bet a 7DII with 41ish AF points and 10 fps, and a 24 MP DPAF sensor similar in IQ to the 70D, would sell quite well.


Unfortunately, and depressing as it sounds. I agree.
With the quality of glass Canon has. It is just depressing. For the first time in years I am starting to leave my Canon gear at home, and using other brands because of it. But, honestly I know I am in the minority. I love APS-C cameras.

Still got my hopes up though.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos
http://www.birdsthatfart.com

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: A Summary of Sigma Lens Rumors
« on: July 09, 2014, 04:41:48 PM »
  I am personally really excited about the 300-600mm lens. Will have to wait and see what it is. And a few reviews. Having two of Sigmas telephoto lenses, and  using them with the FANTASTIC Pentax K-3. I am in heaven. I love it so much I sent all the gear into C.R.I.S. to get calibrated together.  Might pick up a GH4 to go with the Sigma lenses for video..
  I am just about to buy the 18-35 1.8.. In Pentax mount... If AF is ok.. I will be in heaven... 

  Man I am hoping Canon really knocks my socks off with the 7D II..

 
 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5D Mark IV To Feature 4K Video?
« on: July 05, 2014, 12:23:27 PM »
Well we can only judge on what we can buy  :)

As for the patents, Canon have been very aggressive patent registerers for a very long time, which is comical when you examine their early history, but that aside, patents do not products make, we have had rumours of hundreds of them over the years here and few see the light of day, we all know Canon are innovative and do a lot of R&D but most of the time companies patent to cock block anybody else.

They have struggled to make DO lenses work from the word go, they seem to be convinced there is something there and won't let it die but we are not there yet, the 70-300 DO is the biggest piece of $1,400 crap ever, I'd love to know sales figures for the 400 DO.

I still don't see how DPAF helps SLR stills shooters.

As for AF and metering, well they introduced the 45 point AF back in 2000, so it isn't like they didn't have time to put a bit more thought into it, though it isn't "radically" different is it? Dedicated processor and all but the same contrast detect chip behind a sub mirror arrangement since in body AF started. Nikon have had colour sensitive metering for years, and not just in the one top of the line body.

As for the 7D MkII having potential, I must, respectfully, disagree, even if it bests the D7100 in sensor metrics by a half stop or so, so what? That makes it slightly worse on overall image IQ than the 6D.

Don't get me wrong, I am not picking a fight and I am not out to bash Canon, I just see the last few years developments with my eyes wide open, stills are not the driving force they were even five years ago when the 7D made such an impact. In my opinion stills are not seen to be the future by Canon.

If the products haven't landed on a shelf yet then all the R&D in the world is no use to me.

The other truth is that stills are a very mature market, the quality and capability we have now vastly out strip most users needs, the 5D MkIII is probably the most complete stills shooters camera ever and Canon clearly don't believe in much higher MP, DR, blah blah sensor specs at this point. I believe we are on a technology plateau with no signs of the next BIG thing.

For me personally, put the 5D MkIII sensor in the 1Dx MkII, get me those TS-E lenses and I don't care, I'll be retired before my customers or I need more than that.

Very true, patent's don't make a product. My point was only that there is an R&D budget for still photography at Canon, and money is clearly being spent there. Patents do need to actually make their way into a product on a shelf to be meaningful, though...your dead-on there.

I really wonder why Canon doesn't bring more of their innovations into being...almost smacks of Nokia a few years ago...they had a MASSIVE patent library, but it was just IP...they didn't wield it and make competitive products with that technology...and look where they are now... Guess that's the most concerning thing about Canon. They have some amazing technology...but they aren't using it...so it isn't making money.

I still don't see how DPAF helps SLR stills shooters.

I can see it being very useful for focusing landscape shots, which I've always focused manually in live view. DPAF could automate that process.


The other truth is that stills are a very mature market, the quality and capability we have now vastly out strip most users needs, the 5D MkIII is probably the most complete stills shooters camera ever and Canon clearly don't believe in much higher MP, DR, blah blah sensor specs at this point. I believe we are on a technology plateau with no signs of the next BIG thing.

I don't know if I agree with that. DR is obviously a VERY important thing to photographers these days. It is single-handedly the most controversial and common subject when it comes to Canon vs. the others. Even if it isn't as important as many individuals and certain organizations seem to insist, it's clearly a sticking point, and clearly a perception issue between Canon and their customers. I have a hard time believing Canon doesn't know that...not after the last two years and all the debates and conversations and reviews and videos that cover the topic of how much better Nikon/Sony DR is than Canon's.

For Canon to ignore that, and release ANOTHER product without an improvement in that area....well, I think we could actually see some REAL brand migration over the next few years if the 7D II (and worse, the 5D IV/1D X II) hit the streets without a DR improvement. It may not actually matter in most cases, but it matters perceptually...and I think the companies reputation would actually finally be hurt by them not showing any real interest in their sensor IQ. I've seen Canon respond directly to the loudest demands from their customer base in the past. The 1D X and 5D III are exemplary examples of that, in multiple ways. Canon can't ignore the demand for better DR. It would be reputation damaging...

(My words above certainly don't mean Canon is actually going to do anything about it...I guess there is a very good chance they won't...but I do indeed believe it would be damaging to their reputation in the long run if they ignored the single most important demand of their customers after so many years of having that demand levied.)

  As a birder, and having shot with the latest Sony APS-C sensor. I am waiting for the next crop sensor camera from Canon.
  I am just blow away with the new sensors. It really is amazing.
  With the way I shoot. Shooting with the new sensors has given me so much exposure leeway, and increased ISO performance. It has increased my keeper rate dramatically. 
 
  I really have my fingers crossed and hope Canon will deliver. If not? I personally will start seriously looking for alternatives.  But, I don't want to. Come on Canon....

 

 
 

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  Kinda funny.  I spend most of my time in Thailand. I know a guide there that is in tight with Canon. He takes the Canon reps with the new cameras around with him.
  Abut a year ago I saw him with the Canon group. I snuck up on them while they were shooting birds in an open field. LOL,,, you have never seen so many guys trying to hide and running back to the van.... One came over and tried to talk to me. Trying to divert my attention. I personally don't care one way or another. A funny story you guys might like to hear.

 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D mark 2 crop vs full frame
« on: June 27, 2014, 10:42:25 AM »
I don't get why internet experts think that the 7D mk II needs to be FF. It is preposterous, as FF and crop are two totally different tools, and crop is a better tool for nearly everything.

The 7D mk II will be a APS-C camera, the FF 7D 2, if you will is called the 1DX.

I agree that any 7D Mark II will be APS-C but to say that crop is better for nearly everything is wrong.  It's not better for low-light and it's only good for reach and putting pixels on subject, when you are reach limited.

I hear a lot about how a FF/crop combo is the best for sports such as a 5D3/7D combo.  While I agree it's convenient and useful, and ignoring price obviously, it would still be better to have a pair of 1Dx's with sufficient reach lenses.  The 1Dx with the longer lens to make up for the 7D's crop factor will produce better IQ, at ALL ISO's.  This is exactly why I ditched both of my 7D and 1D4 cameras in favor of a longer lens and another 1Dx.  Again though, photography was helping fund a lot of that and had I been on my own, NO WAY I could have afforded that.  So I agree with jrista and neuro regarding the cost factor regarding crop cameras.  It really was the price difference between a 7D and 1D4 back in 2010 (even though technically the 1D4 is a "crop" camera).   

With that being said, I really hope the 7D replacement is revolutionary and I think it will sell well and make a lot of people happy.  I may consider it as a "3rd" camera if the specs are right and I have the funding.

  IMO this is exactly what Canon wants people to do. And it has succeeded. With out a good crop sensor camera the upgrade path is pretty well guaranteed with people that can afford it.

Same with Nikon.

The Nikon 810 FF is getting there. That camera just about does away with the crop sensor argument. I think the next 810 replacement will be the nail in the coffin for crop sensor cameras for Nikon users.

My problem is I have Canon gear. And I don't have a really good crop camera (except the aging IV). And I will not upgrade to the 600mm prime. Weight is my enemy. So what do I do?  It is a real problem for me. The only thing holding me in the Canon camp now is the excellent 500mm glass.. Amazing build quality and sharpness.

If Nikon updates the 500mm lens. And Canon does not have a good answer to my particular problem and I expect thousands of others? I have a feeling many people will start to switch? I am just hoping Canon does not let this happen.

For birding 500mm is as big as I can go at my age.

I still have the mark IV and it is a great camera. But in a couple of years I will be ready for a new body. And I will look around at my options then and decide my best path.

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Landscape / Re: jrista et al, Why Astrophotography?
« on: June 24, 2014, 01:02:10 PM »
  Boy am I feeling old.. Astrophotography was the first thing that interested me.  I bought an OM-1, had a 12.5" reflector made, and bought a Bill Schaefer mount. Used to cook my film myself.

  I am so behind times, it is amazing how technology has taken over. I got into computers when analog to digital was coming into play. Writing software for machines.

  I still have all my old equipment. Is there a way to computerize the old Schaefer mount. It has an old drive corrector that works. But, it is ancient.
 
  Been thinking about having the mirror re-coated on the reflector, and playing around with it some.

  Gary

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D mark 2 crop vs full frame
« on: June 21, 2014, 10:20:50 AM »
An APS-C sensor, around 24 MP, with improved high ISO performance and (I´m almost afraid to say it) improved DR would make an interesting start. If it came in a house with as close to pro body sealing as possible, improved fps and, most importantly to me, an AF system like we have in the 5DIII/1DX, it would make a Very interesting camera. The ultimate bonus would be if it (on top of the above) also could AF at f/8.0 (AF at 1920mm!!)

+1

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 07:19:35 PM »
GaryKnrd, What lens are you using with the K3, and are you using it for birding? The major downside for supertelephoto users in Pentax line-up is the IBIS. The other downside is the minimal supertelephoto lens choice for K mount. I have had this fantasy of kayaking to approach and photograph birds, and the Pentax weatherproofing would provide a lot of peace of mind against splashes, etc. (probably not against sustained dunk, though). Sensor is very good as well. Oddball feature of "internal equatorial mount" is of interest to astrophotographers - it makes sense that if you can shift the sensor for image stabilization, you also ought to be able to design it to shift to match star motion relative to Earth. The weatherproof and relatively light and compact Pentax line seems like a good choice for the outdoor photographer.

Don't get  me wrong, I love my 60D and 400mm f/5.6L. I am pretty invested in the Canon system, have a 6D as well, a few EF-S lenses, a few EF L lenses, the Samyang 14mm, and am covering the gaps with existing vintage film lenses (my Dad's AIS Nikkors and my own M42 screw mount lenses from the 1970s) on adapters. Some of the old multicoatings give a slightly different look, as do the older double Gauss Planar designs.


  I use Canon gear most of the time. Great gear. I use the Sigma 500mm F/4.5 prime and the Sigma 300mm F/2.8 prime with Pentax. Up until the K-3 hit the Pentax gear was in storage. Horrible experience.  Shooting with the new K-3 has turned that around for me. That new Pentax K-3 is a birding machine!!! What I find so nice is the layout also. What really blew me away is the IBIS on Pentax. With the 300mm lens it is just as good as the IS in the Canon 300mm F/2.8 II. Just amazing. Until Canon hits with the new 7DII I may store my Canon gear for a while. It is that good so far.
  Really have to wait and see if it can hold up to heavy use. My Pentax K-5 fell apart on me. Very poor build.

  If interested you can go to my flickr site and see the latest photos with the K-3.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos.

Cheers Gary


hmmm just had a look through your flickr images and without wishing to start a row ,your pics with the 1D4 have bite and guts ,the pentax ones lack that considerably .it may well be the lack of decent glass for the pentax ,but if it was my money i would stick with canon .thats just my view ,sorry .
   i did the same for a couple of years kidded myself that nikon was better ,it wasn't and i can see that now looking back .


  I am just killing time. The Sigma glass was cheap compared to the Canon glass. I kinda like it though. For me it is fun to change around and shoot with different brands. What really has me excited is the high grade crop sensors.. I love the crop sensors for birding... The Pentax K-3 is a much better sensor than the 7D no comparison. I like it better than the IV?
  Can't wait for the 7D II to hit.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 10:40:16 AM »
GaryKnrd, What lens are you using with the K3, and are you using it for birding? The major downside for supertelephoto users in Pentax line-up is the IBIS. The other downside is the minimal supertelephoto lens choice for K mount. I have had this fantasy of kayaking to approach and photograph birds, and the Pentax weatherproofing would provide a lot of peace of mind against splashes, etc. (probably not against sustained dunk, though). Sensor is very good as well. Oddball feature of "internal equatorial mount" is of interest to astrophotographers - it makes sense that if you can shift the sensor for image stabilization, you also ought to be able to design it to shift to match star motion relative to Earth. The weatherproof and relatively light and compact Pentax line seems like a good choice for the outdoor photographer.

Don't get  me wrong, I love my 60D and 400mm f/5.6L. I am pretty invested in the Canon system, have a 6D as well, a few EF-S lenses, a few EF L lenses, the Samyang 14mm, and am covering the gaps with existing vintage film lenses (my Dad's AIS Nikkors and my own M42 screw mount lenses from the 1970s) on adapters. Some of the old multicoatings give a slightly different look, as do the older double Gauss Planar designs.


  I use Canon gear most of the time. Great gear. I use the Sigma 500mm F/4.5 prime and the Sigma 300mm F/2.8 prime with Pentax. Up until the K-3 hit the Pentax gear was in storage. Horrible experience.  Shooting with the new K-3 has turned that around for me. That new Pentax K-3 is a birding machine!!! What I find so nice is the layout also. What really blew me away is the IBIS on Pentax. With the 300mm lens it is just as good as the IS in the Canon 300mm F/2.8 II. Just amazing. Until Canon hits with the new 7DII I may store my Canon gear for a while. It is that good so far.
  Really have to wait and see if it can hold up to heavy use. My Pentax K-5 fell apart on me. Very poor build.

  If interested you can go to my flickr site and see the latest photos with the K-3.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos.

Cheers Gary

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 09:48:49 AM »
  I just broke in my new Pentax K-3. I was VERY impressed. Now with the new 7D II on the horizon?  Wow, can't wait to get my hands on that camera. Improvements in sensor technology is amazing.

  For birding these crop sensors rock!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/avianphotos

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