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Photography Technique / Re: Which eye do you use?
« on: Today at 07:28:33 AM »
I think I opt for comfort... using the left eye... Because the right is blocked by the camera so I can ignore the information coming from that eye without shutting it tight.

Amazing information here, I never though of using my left eye at all. I'd *never* have guessed the poll would show the distribution is nearly even!

But I just tried and find that using the left eye is not comfortable: at least with my smaller 60d & 6d camera bodies - my nose is compressed and touches my thumb, but with the right eye my face is nearly flat against the camera.

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EOS Bodies / Re: High Megapixel Camera Coming in 2015 [CR3]
« on: Today at 04:26:38 AM »
Lets hope for a brand new sensor with good DR, I won't buy it I think since I'm satisfied with my 5D3 still.

My guess is that the next ff camera will sell anyway, even if the advancements are mediocre or the "high mp" sensor is "just" an upscaled 7d2 crop sensor.

All this talk of "18mp is plenty 'nuff" and "no more dr for me, thank you very much" will be gone instantly the upgrades are actually available. If you just go by "my current camera works just fine", Canon would have sold no dslrs at all for years.

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Alas, a lot of people don't seem to care if there's a really "wild" background, it looks like in a zoo/tropical garden or if it's shot in a studio :-\
I have no idea what you're talking about - surely people like National Geographic don't share that opinion:

Thanks for the interesting link!

At least with the free range horses I often shoot there's a huge difference between "zoo" and "wild" (or as wild as horses get in central europe). Next to the "fence in the background" problem, wild animals have behavior patterns you don't find in the zoo, esp. when it comes to interaction *between* animals. You can capture their physical form and basic behavior, but what an animal species defines is imho mostly lost in close captivity.

However, the NatGeo award shows that the difference is too elusive to make it into mainstream accepted knowledge. I suspect that's because there are so many amateur zoo photogs and visotors around that a big media corporation is too afraid to tackle the issue. Personally, I disagree completely with the stance quoted in the article:

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As it happens, while I know some photographers feel that pictures of captive animals are inferior to photos captured of animals in the wild, as wonderful as it is to see animals in their natural habitat, I’ve always thought this is a ridiculous way to think. A Tiger, for example, in captivity is every bit as awesome, amazing, and gorgeous as a Tiger in the wild

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Says it all
« on: January 26, 2015, 07:00:12 PM »
Shows how much the Market cares about another stop or so of DR. Says it all really.

Does it? Personally, I don't see the connection between the prices and dr, and neither a direct link between a single spec and market price.

I just recommended the d800 to a friend of mine because the price is so ridiculously low esp. compared to the 6d. But the reason simply is that the d800 has a successor on the market, while 6d/5d3 don't (yet) - and the "latest model" badge is what counts a lot as Canon's yearly Rebel releases prove.

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I think that light tent has a bottom, but I'm sure you could remove or cut it out.  If you try it, let us know how it works out.

I vaguely remember seeing versions that are designed for outdoor macro use, it's not that unusual to require soft light for an object on the ground. In any case, the "cut out" will work, an probably removing some sides as well. I imagine this solution is less hassle than to try to mount diffuser-reflectors.

Also, glad to hear you're a responsible nature photographer :)  My pet peeve (after those items) is when people shoot flowers in a studio or trained/captive animals and act like they were wild...but that's a subject for a whole other thread...

I agree wholeheartedly. In addition to that for my mushroom focus stacks I used to do there was no other choice, you cannot grow them at home or transport them there undamaged - the only solution is to set up some lighting outdoors and get some nice background. Alas, a lot of people don't seem to care if there's a really "wild" background, it looks like in a zoo/tropical garden or if it's shot in a studio :-\

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 26, 2015, 06:48:53 PM »
Definitely on the gimmick list is in-camera hdr as this is done better in real post with dedicated software.
By that logic, in-camera JPG conversion is also a 'gimmick'.  ;)
No, because you cannot "easily substitute" the reduction in card space and jpeg makes sense if you need sooc pictures asap.
Is selecting sRAW from the menu really all that difficult?   In-camera HDR then makes sense if you need SOOC HDR pictures ASAP.   ;)

Well, my rough guess is that the demand for sooc jpeg is higher than in-camera hdr :-) ... as for sraw, it's a bad tradeoff between resolution and file size if you just need a large jpeg.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 26, 2015, 11:15:06 AM »
Oh I don't know about that. Do you have some examples?

I usually don't go for the "I double-dare you to prove this and that" requests, but once a link to a spec compariosn that is the first google hit and thus should be rather important for sales. Somehow, Sonikon always manages to end up with a longer "advantages" list than Canon, nonsensical as it might be.

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon-EOS-6D-vs-Nikon-D610

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Suggestions are always very welcome!

I'd suggest a macro translucent "tent" that covers all sides - the added advantage is that it stops wind so you can focus-stack flowers in place.

Hey, I've got a great idea...Cut the flower and shoot it inside your house.      :o
Killing something beautiful in nature just to take a picture of it?

With that kind of attitude, try never to discover what photogs do with animals to get pleasant shots without the little critters interfering or moving :-( ...

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Canon General / Re: Photographer Petitions Canon for Left Handed Camera
« on: January 26, 2015, 10:16:47 AM »
I'm a left hander and prefer the so-called right-hand cameras we have today -- this because it's more crucial for me to be able to pull focus with my left.

Interesting point - maybe even some right-handed people would get interested in leftie gear for this reason?

In any case, more button customization would be welcome - even now, you can for example tie the shutter release to a button on the left side with Magic Lantern.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 26, 2015, 09:55:34 AM »
Definitely on the gimmick list is in-camera hdr as this is done better in real post with dedicated software.
By that logic, in-camera JPG conversion is also a 'gimmick'.  ;)

No, because you cannot "easily substitute" the reduction in card space and jpeg makes sense if you need sooc pictures asap.

But the general point is - I am in absolute agreement with you on this - that one's personal wishes are immaterial for Canon's big market and it's not really possible to separate "real features" and "gimmicks". Fortunately (unlike Sonikon) Canon doesn't concentrate on spec comparisons, i.e. their aim isn't to have the longest feature list.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 26, 2015, 07:01:07 AM »
The app on my iPhone allows contactless remote shooting with live view it really is simple to set-up and even simplier to use. Secondly the GPS allows you to know exactly where you are I was in Snowdonia in the Fall and many of the hills & moutains I didnt know the name of but once downloaded I was able to know exactly what the names were so suddenly those "gimmicks" became very useful just like a feature in your iPhone when you take a picture so why not an expensive camera costing $$$$$.

My personal definition of "gimmick" would be "feature that is easily substituted by other means".

This includes gps, as a dedicated tracker in your pocket lasts longer, has no/less warm-up time and is more precise - even Lightroom includes an option to attach the tracklog to the pictures. As for wifi, well, there are eye-fi cards, and unfortunately Canon's wifi implementation is very mediocre (try to connect your Laptop to the camera). Definitely on the gimmick list is in-camera hdr as this is done better in real post with dedicated software.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 26, 2015, 05:45:21 AM »
Don't know anyone personally that has recently bought Canon for IQ purposes.

Well, I don't know how many people you know personally, but I'd wager that almost all people buying a 6d (including me) buy this Canon for iq purposes.

The thing is, gimmicks will sell to the masses, more than IQ.

I'm in agreement that I'd exchange gps/wifi on my 6d even for a half-decent af system any day, but you can see the mentioned "gimmicks" as "value". There are gps/wifi addons for the 5d3/... for a reason, obviously there's a market for them. If you get them included in your camera by default, you're saving lots of €€€.

Last not least, what's a "gimmick" or not is defined by personal preference. Is a back wheel a gimmick? top lcd? In-camera hdr? You get the picture: Except for the shutter button and card slot, you can say almost everything is a gimmick if you don't like it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D vs 5DIII images
« on: January 25, 2015, 07:13:52 PM »
and doing the same in the softer 6D images results in overall nicer images.

These differences are academic and can only be seen by pixel-peeping and comparing same scenes by reviews - for real life shooting it's meaningless, as is removing the anti-aliasing filter (see reviews on the Nikon d800e).

I know it's tempting to explain one's impressions with tech specs or scientific data, but photography and the human eye/perception is so subjective and the images are always viewed in a certain setting/light imho it pays to simply improve one's core photography skills. Certainly no harm in *knowing* about technical details, but don't let them get at you :-)

And the small DR advantage of the 6D could also be noticeable in some images.

More dr doesn't magically improve your images unless you've got clipping or visible banding/low resolution in the shadows. It even can be argued that more dr *decreases* iq because you squeeze it into the same 14bit raw file range, preventing you from filling the histogram left to right... that's why high-dr sensors will probably have 16bit res.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 25, 2015, 07:03:38 PM »
The current 36MP Sony sensor also in the Nikon D800 is 14ev and in cinematography / video 14ev is still not enough. Plenty of situations in landscape where more DR would be useful particularly in strong sun situations with deep shade.

You just proved my very point - you need to bracket anyway in many situations, so another +2ev won't save the day for everyone, and even Sonikon don't have the 20ev sensor yet:

I have more than 300,000 images under management in Lightroom.  I went looking for high-DR situations shot at base ISO.  I was not able to find a single image where my Canon sensors didn't have sufficient DR AND 1-2 more stops would have made the difference.

Personally, I encounter a lot of situations with motion which can just be captured with the 14.5ev of Magic Lantern - another 1-2ev more would be better to get more shadow resolution though. These include shots with the sun in the frame or harsh contrasts at noon (I'm using fill flash on top of that).

However for max iq with landscape, I'd still bracket unless there are moving leaves/grass/... more post-processing hassle, but more flexibility when joining the images. And in this case sensor dr isn't a concern anymore.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 50mp Cameras Coming in March [CR1]
« on: January 25, 2015, 04:34:40 PM »
First, I wasn't talking about high sensitivity, but more DR. But it's not like the D800/D810 and such are terrible when it comes to sensitivity, far from it.

Disclaimer: I'm all in favor when it comes to Canon catching up to Sonikon, it's just that atm they don't seem to be willing or able to. And personally, I've been wondering for years why they don't upscale a crop sensor to ff, I'd love to have that for macro shots.

Maybe fine for some, but certainly not for me. I'd take the 36MP and high DR any day over 50MP and low DR from Canon. I'd even take 23MP and high DR over 50MP and low DR if I was forced.

I'm a big fan or more dynamic range and use Magic Lantern's dual_iso for about 1/3rd of my shots. But my guess is that Canon marketing research has gone into this very thoroughly, and the deep pocket enthusiasts on CR don't scale to the whole market.

I just talked to a landscape photog having to switch from his broken 5d2 to something else. He's now buying a d800 because for him, only the resolution counts - he was happy enough with the dr of mf film cameras. If Canon would offer 50mp for a comparable price, he'd been sold.

It is exactly the targeted audience for a high MP camera that probably MOST cares about high DR.

We'll see - my guess is that not that many people depend on more dr in a single frame and wouldn't sell their mother or switch systems for 12ev (Canon) to 14ev (Sonikon).

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