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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: October 24, 2014, 09:44:12 PM »
One more thing... I would like to add...
Joe1946, I am glad you posted that link...

I can forgive Microsoft with their X-box One...
But Sony, seriously? They should be pushing 4K with the PS4. So dissappointed in Sony... what the hell? You have 4K TVs, you have a 4K Cameras... and what do you do to one of the most well received gaming console??


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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 24, 2014, 09:03:37 PM »

The regular use won't care a whit about 4k vs UHD and UHD is actually better for them, if anything.
A7S+Shogun costs like 1/3 the price of a 1DC.


You forgot to add that the Shogun has a 7" screen.

Why is UHD better for "them"?

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Video & Movie / Re: Who is shooting in 4k?
« on: October 24, 2014, 08:58:25 PM »
Isn't most movies shot on 70mm film better than 4K?
You know those huge Panavision cameras?

I have shot once in 4K with a friend, we rented the RED Epic. The end product was sh!t, don't tell the talent that >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Su2qxm8ik

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: October 24, 2014, 08:31:48 PM »
Alright Joe1946, lets use some common sense... hopefully you dont' need to quote anyone.
Suppose I gave you $7000 tomorrow.

Thats enough to buy a Gh4 and a 4K TV, right?
Hopefully a 65 inch 4K TV, no?

You are going to film in 4K with the Gh4, and you are going to edit the 4K video on your computer. Then how are you going to put this 4K video that you made on this 4K TV?

Stream it from your computer?
Hook your 65 inch TV directly to the computer?

How many 4K videos can you make that will entertain you on a constant basis?
How many 4K videos can you contain on your hard-drive?

EDITTED TO ADD: It may be true, there may not be a 1080p TV available to purchase down the road, it may be replaced by affordable 4K TVs. But given that you already have a 1080p set, in working and good condition, would you go and buy another TV? And, if you do get a 4K TV, are you using it to its full potential? I mean, I believe that I am using my 1080p to its full potential simply by playing Blu-ray movies... but I don't know if I can get 4K content if I go buy a 4K TV tomorrow.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: October 24, 2014, 08:14:06 PM »
Definitely agree with you there, but I also remember very clearly when people were saying similar things about 1080p. Things like why bother, shoot in 720p, nobody can tell the difference etc.

Of course, you can see the difference, but its how far you are sitting to see this difference. Not to mention screen size. Apple's retina display, the ratio - screen resolution : screen size is variable to suit minimum viewing distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_Display

In my honest opinion, I don't think 4K TVs will catch on...
Not only is there a lack of 4K content, but people will not see the value. Sure the price of 4K TVs are dropping, but seriously... 1080p came out at the perfect time. People were upgrading their TVs, they wanted larger televisions, flat screen and obviously 16:9 widescreen TVs... which only started appearing after 2001. Even then it was pretty thick, remember those 4:3 tube TVs? That wasn't too long ago. The massive transition from 4:3 tube TVs to 16:9 flat screen TVs was the real reason of the acceptance of 1080p.
In a few years most TVs will be 4K UHD and most smartphones and cameras will shoot 4K UHD video.

How many Full HD channels exist?
Note: Look at your local cable company, are they fooling you with HD channels?
Remember HD is 720p & Full HD is 1080p.

Here, let me help you, click this link & scroll down to chart to see what channels offer 1080p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television_in_the_United_States

And, 1080i isn't 1080p.
1080i is actually almost as good as 720p or worse.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/1080i_vs_720p

SO... content wise... few have caught up to 1080p.
What makes you so sure that 4K will be here in a few years?
4K UHD TVs will outsell 1080p TVs within two years. Just because Canon does not have any 4K cameras under $9,000 does not mean 4K is dead. There are millions of 4K cameras sold every month to consumers and 4K UHD TVs will be a hot seller this Holiday season.

Dude are you listening to what I am saying?

Forget Canon not producing 4K cameras under $9,000. Just forget it, Canon doesn't produce TVs either.

Listen carefully now.
There is NO cable channel producing 1080p signal, why do you think that all of a sudden that TV channels will suddenly produce 4K signals? Do you think that because Panasonic has 4K cameras under $2000 that will suddenly make Cable channels 4K????

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: October 24, 2014, 06:16:47 PM »
Definitely agree with you there, but I also remember very clearly when people were saying similar things about 1080p. Things like why bother, shoot in 720p, nobody can tell the difference etc.

Of course, you can see the difference, but its how far you are sitting to see this difference. Not to mention screen size. Apple's retina display, the ratio - screen resolution : screen size is variable to suit minimum viewing distance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_Display

In my honest opinion, I don't think 4K TVs will catch on...
Not only is there a lack of 4K content, but people will not see the value. Sure the price of 4K TVs are dropping, but seriously... 1080p came out at the perfect time. People were upgrading their TVs, they wanted larger televisions, flat screen and obviously 16:9 widescreen TVs... which only started appearing after 2001. Even then it was pretty thick, remember those 4:3 tube TVs? That wasn't too long ago. The massive transition from 4:3 tube TVs to 16:9 flat screen TVs was the real reason of the acceptance of 1080p.
In a few years most TVs will be 4K UHD and most smartphones and cameras will shoot 4K UHD video.

How many Full HD channels exist?
Note: Look at your local cable company, are they fooling you with HD channels?
Remember HD is 720p & Full HD is 1080p.

Here, let me help you, click this link & scroll down to chart to see what channels offer 1080p.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television_in_the_United_States

And, 1080i isn't 1080p.
1080i is actually almost as good as 720p or worse.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/1080i_vs_720p

SO... content wise... few have caught up to 1080p.
What makes you so sure that 4K will be here in a few years?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 4K Products Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 24, 2014, 05:53:28 PM »
I was surprised at out how much backlash there was after the C100 Mk II announcement because for years people have been complaining about the C100 having no 60p, a poor viewfinder, no internal mic on the body, etc. and they gave us all those things.  I think it's true that people will continue to want more than what is currently offered partly because that's how we've been conditioned.  If we got 4K 10 bit output there would be people demanding internal 4K.  If we got internal 4K then people would demand 120fps.  If the C100 had all those things then what could Canon add to the C300 to get people to buy it instead of the C100? 

Like jrista said, people complain on all the forums.  A friend of mine rarely complains about anything, but when he found out the Sony FS7 didn't have the same sensor as the A7S he said he wasn't interested in it.  I would guess that Canon is doing the best that they can while looking out for themselves as well as consumers. 

Of course, if the new C300 doesn't have 4K then forget everything I just said  ;) lol

It depends on WHEN they implement new functions. Obviously if they only move to 4K when everyone else is moving to something better, then it is still a dollar short a day late.

We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology.

Its not "a dollar short, [nor] a day late."
And, I find it quite funny that you guys complain so much.
Fact is... Canon had the 1D-C way-way before either A7s or Gh4 came along.
Only problem is... y'all can't afford the 1D-C. Same here, I can't afford it either.

A7s can't record internal 4K, and as per dpreview external isn't even cinema 4K, its UHD (max 3840 x 2160 @ 8bit). http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-dmc-gh4-sony-alpha-7s

GH4 is better with both cinema 4K (4096 x 2160) internal & external (10-bit), only problem is that its micro 4/3rd sensor.

Both of them sound a bit crippled in my opinion.

They all have their problems, but both Gh4 & A7s is far more affordable.

So to say... this... "We want them to implement these features when they are current technology, not when they are old technology."
It isn't cause Canon doesn't have it, its cause you can't afford it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:19:06 PM »
I happen to think that any camera manufacturer and any photographer who sticks their head in the sand and pretends that social media is some passing fantasy that is only for the "Hello Kitty" crowd, as you so disparagingly refer to it, is just asking to be put out of business.

I think you meant, "fancy" but the typo is appropriate.

I know a few people that "used to" be active on Facebook, and who now use it very rarely.  I just skipped the intermediate step.

I don't think social media is a fad, but its rapidly evolving to other forms.
Its gone from facebook to twitter/instagram to snapchat.
I honestly can't keep up... is it really socializing though? Or narcissism morphing to new levels?
You want to be popular, you want to show off that you've done this and been there?
In my opinion, its raking in a lot of evil eye :D

But to answer unfocused innate question, may be someday... one day pictures taken from a cell phone will be just as good or better than DSLR/MILC, and when that day comes... no one will hire a photographer at a wedding and people will be able to pick and choose from the multitude of pictures taken from their relative's phones to create an album.

Till that day comes, it doesn't matter if a DSLR/MILC can throw a picture on a social media site. I say this, because... pictures thrown on facebook is for the moment, a present day thing that is easily displaced and forgotten with a hundred other "Whats on your mind" pictures/videos/comments that come to you over the year. Pictures taken by a photographer at a wedding is forever, which if done artfully will be remembered forever especially when made into an album.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D MkII RAW sample images
« on: October 16, 2014, 11:03:13 AM »
Seriously, did anybody really expected the 7D mk2 raw-files to be far better than 70D?

Not far, but at least 1/2 a step better?

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Next Cinema EOS Camera Will Be..... [CR2]
« on: October 11, 2014, 05:47:44 PM »
7D2 C?

I would get that...
See, I don't see a difference between the 7DII & the 1DX in terms of video...
Sure, the 1DX has better low light performance, but thats a given due to the FF sensor. Its still downsampled to 1080p. The 7DII has 60p... in fact, the only advantage I see the 1D-C having over the 7DII is the 4K and 60p (ALL-I), otherwise the 7DII comes pretty close.

I will wait till NAB 2015...

The GoPro 4 has 4K @ 30p & 2.7K @ 60p... in my opinion, Canon should try to reverse engineer the GoPro, and try to add that tech. into their system.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D2 theory
« on: October 10, 2014, 10:13:56 AM »
Not everything is a conspiracy.

Denial even strengthens the suspicion that there might be something about it and agents of the system are trying to squash the truth. I'll be watching out for further patterns of people trying to make us believe Canon delivers the best cameras to us asap.



There is a "Glitch" in the system  ;D

And, since Kelby said it twice, its a "Deja vu"  ;D

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Business of Photography/Videography / Re: 4K, 5K, 6K and Up Video
« on: October 09, 2014, 07:24:10 PM »
BTW, just to be clear... just cause I call it a gimmick... doesn't mean that I don't want it.
I do want it... I don't need it, but I want it.

Its like a Lamborghini, I don't need it but I want it.

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Business of Photography/Videography / Re: 4K, 5K, 6K and Up Video
« on: October 09, 2014, 07:01:43 PM »
I can't believe people are saying you can "barely see the difference" between 4K and 1080p. The difference is huge and immediately noticeable, even on a 1080p monitor.

Yeah, the keyword is monitor.
I will say it again...

Retina display is all you would ever need, and even that is not 4K sometimes... forget 5K and above...

Sure, I have no real authority... and you might think I am spouting non-sense.
So here, listen to what Phillip Bloom has to say about 4K & he shoots 4K...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct4ao5hKN-s#t=52m35s

You know I've made it so that it skips the first 52 min. and goes straight to the BIG question about 4K.
You don't even need to watch the entire thing, you can watch 10 min. of it and it will tell you everything you would ever need to know about the 4K gimmick.

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Business of Photography/Videography / Re: 4K, 5K, 6K and Up Video
« on: October 09, 2014, 02:08:08 PM »
One limit is the resolution of our eyes. If you look at a 42'' Screen from 4 meter, between 720p and 1080p there is no visible difference.

To fully enjoy a 4k Screen i have to be 1.5m in front of a 55'' screen. That's not the normal living room configuration.

4k Needs a 80'' Screen at 3m viewing distance, and it is a aestetical question if y want to have a TV in your living room, which is so domitating optically, otherwise its not giving much benefit.


+1
See, nobody seems to understand that...
Retina display is all you would ever need, and even that is not 4K sometimes... forget 6K and above...

Sure, I have no real authority... and you might think I am spouting non-sense.
So here, listen to what Phillip Bloom has to say about 4K & he shoots 4K...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct4ao5hKN-s#t=52m35s

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: 6d for filmmaking?
« on: October 04, 2014, 02:01:30 AM »
cbenc002 - ok, please explain.
What lens were you using?
What was the ISO that you were filming at?
1080-30/24? Shutter speed?

In fact, its supposed to be washed out, in fact... the saturation needs to come down...
In post, are you adding any color correction?

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