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No mention of DPAF in the feature list?

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20.2MP “Fine Detail” CMOS  Sensor (I want more information on this)

= No OLPF or anti-aliasing filter in front of the sensor.

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 22, 2014, 02:49:18 AM »
So what needs fixing?

* distortion at the wide end  - use the 16-35 f/4L
* softness at the long end - use the 70-300L
* lack of IQ in the middle - 24-70 f/4

So instead of fixing the 24-105 and making it better, Canon effectively encourage you to sell it and buy three other lenses instead, resulting in a net of two new lens sales to replace one lens.

And given that Sigma failed to deliver a substantially better lens with a bigger construction, what motivation is there for Canon to fix the current model?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 21, 2014, 06:18:13 PM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

Does anyone remember issues with the 5DII ? Talk about clutching at straws.

I received on of the first 5D MK II's about November 27, and a week or so later, on December 8, reports of a issue from black spots appearing on bright highlights when people shot Christmas lights.  NR normally made them go away, so many did not see them.  I had to review my shots to find one that had them.

On December 15, about two weeks after the first Camera deliveries, Canon announced that they were looking at the issue.  Canon modified the firmware to eliminate them.  On January 9, three weeks later, Canon issues a firmware update to fix them.

So, it took ~ a whole month from initial reports to verify the issue, develop a firmware update, test it and release it.

How many D810 users will have their camera fixed in a month?

I also got my 5DII when it was first released and have never had an issue. Neither have I ever updated the firmware - 'cos I never do  ;)

The 5DII must be remembered as one of the best sorted cameras right from its inception; not a good example to use !

Whilst it may not have impacted you, I know people for whom it did delay their purchasing decision until after it was fixed/resolved.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 21, 2014, 06:14:22 PM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

Does anyone remember issues with the 5DII ? Talk about clutching at straws.

So, it took ~ a whole month from initial reports to verify the issue, develop a firmware update, test it and release it.

How many D810 users will have their camera fixed in a month?

Indeed.  Plus, Canon's fix was a downloadable firmware update.  Reports to date indicate the D810 fix is also a firmware update, but users must bring/send the camera to a service center for the update to be applied.  I suppose that's better than a 'fix' of having to wait for then buy the D820, but still...   ::)

Keep grasping those straws, dilbert.  I hear they come in handy if you want to suck.  ;)

Curious that the camera must be sent to a service center for the fix to be applied.

Kind of like how if you have a 1DC and just want a regular firmware upgrade.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 21, 2014, 12:30:59 PM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

What problems were those?  I can't find any Canon Service Notices (firmware updates notwithstanding) for the 5DII...

What problems were those.... try Googling for this: 5d mark ii black spots
or click on this link:
https://www.google.com/webhp?ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=5d%20mark%20ii%20black%20spots
and look for articles late 2008 to early 2009.

The thought occurs to me that maybe Nikon are just playing catchup here ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:08:53 PM »
Created...tapped...exploited...potaaayto...potahhhhto.   The 'soccer mom with dSLR' stereotype came about largely due to Canon's Rebel/xxxD line.  The 'pro wedding photographer with dSLR', too, when Canon released an 'affordable' FF dSLR.

How do you define "affordable" in this context?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 20, 2014, 03:18:53 PM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 19, 2014, 01:25:23 AM »
The now 18 mp ubiquitous sensor first made its appearance in the 7D. Did this next appear in a xxD or a xxxD ? I'm not sure but my guess is that is was an xxD, perhaps the 60D.

In fact, it did appear next in the T2i/550D, but not until the following year, then in the 60D a few weeks later.  It's certainly in Canon's best interest to use a sensor in multie bodies across multiple lines. 

What's crazy and illogical is to take two separate facts (that the 7DII might have new sensor tech and that there hasn't been an xxxD update this year), and draw a causal link between them.  It's particularly crazy and illogical given the existence of a new 20 MP DPAF sensor that's been used in just one body to date.  Canon has made APS-C sensors used in only one body, but those have all been xxxD/xxxxD bodies, where the production volume means costs are recouped without needing to 'trickle down'.

Wrong. The 3MP APS-C sensor used in the Canon D30 was never used again.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 19, 2014, 01:17:48 AM »
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The now 18 mp ubiquitous sensor first made its appearance in the 7D. Did this next appear in a xxD or a xxxD ? I'm not sure but my guess is that is was an xxD, perhaps the 60D.

Good pick up!

The order of appearance of the 18MP sensor is:
7D, 550D, 60D, 600D, 650D, 700D.

So maybe we'll see:
7DII, 750D, 80D

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 19, 2014, 01:14:02 AM »
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Canon had stated (about a year or two ago) that a new 7D would only come out when there was a significant  upgrade, obviously, they have been working at finding better technology that is producible  at a target cost and sell for a big profit.  Once they skim the cream off the early adopters, the upgrades will trickle down to consumer models, and some of the advanced tech held back from a 7D will appear in the high end models.

Canon is very predictable.

So if we are to take Canon's word on this then the coming camera will be a significant upgrade (lets hope in more than just price.) New 7DII debut in September, available October?, in time for holiday season shopping and the start of trickle down in Rebel series cameras in the March to April time frame next year?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 10:16:31 AM »
The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant.

WHAT?

You realize that the best selling Canon camera is the T3.... and that it outsells every other camera Canon makes combined! This is because you can get the camera and lens CHEAP!. Apparently, for the masses, cheap beats IQ hands down...

So somehow a 7D2, probably for $2500 WITHOUT a lens is going to somehow mean that there will be no more demand for a $400 camera with lens, when price seems to be the dominant market force for the masses?

Are you sure of your logic?

You guys just don't know how to deal with a petulant, rather retarded child, do you ?

The 7DII is a big camera that is going to cost-a-lot-of-money, and the xxxD is a little camera that does not cost-as-much-money.

That's not a nice way to talk about Canon's cameras!

Let me put this another way. There's two parts to this.

To me it seems that it is quite likely the next xxxD will have the same sensor as is in the 7DII. If they bring it out before the 7DII then maybe they think it will eat away some of the 7DII sales from the people that have a 7D now and are just looking for a camera that produces better IQ (and not necessarily better fps/AF) whereas if the first camera that 7D owners see with the new sensor is the 7DII then they stand to get more carry over sales from people who see it and say "I WANT!" (or at least that's my thinking, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.) So new sensor in new 7D model, maximise profits from upgraders buying new expensive camera that they may not need but want.

Now had they of released a new xxxD camera a month or two ago with existing sensor technology and then a few months later the 7DII comes along with a new sensor then maybe they're afraid that sales of the xxxD will stall because people will wait for xxx+1D from Canon with the same upgraded sensor tech that is in the 7DII. That would also prevent them from releasing a new xxx+1D that uses the new tech in the 7DII in the first half of 2015 because it would be too soon between models. It won't necessarily matter what is new in the 7DII just that the 7DII will have all the new stuff and people will want the new stuff in cheaper bodies and may delay purchasing decisions because of it.

So a bigger gap between xxxD models (no real problem with sales) so that they can slot in the 7DII and roll forward with whatever new goodies (new DIGIC too?) come in that.

Sound like a reasonable plan or am I just crazy?

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 18, 2014, 06:06:22 AM »
Information from Japanese Canon fan girls, who are working @Canon:
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Canon is still thinking that they do not have to produce the best and most innovative products in the low and mid price segments. Sales figures show that the market analysts are right. Canon is still the best power seller on the market. And the analysts know that in future time, the market wil not grow and other brands are coming in. Sony will be very active, maybe an 5DIII and 1DX mirrorless competitor is coming in the near future.
The slow reaction on the D7100 and the still "no reaction" on the excellent D800/810 is well calculated. No need to hurry, Canon products are still sold well. There are not many persons switching to Nikon, because the majority of Canonians will not be able to spend a lot of money on new expensive lenses. The average Canon customer will be satisfied by new Canon products, even if other brands will produce superior products.
...

Well Canon understands the situation that a lot of people are in quite well. And that's how they planned it. Trap people early and you've got them for life. I didn't expect that they'd use that as an excuse to be lazy and fail to deliver.

If Canon are going to be so complacent and consider us to be caged animals that they've already caught then I've got news for them because whilst I haven't seriously considered switching brands before, I am now.

In 12 months time either the Canon DSLR that I own will have substantially better IQ or I won't be using Canon any more.

Seriously Canon, you think you can take us consumers for granted?!

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Deal: Canon EOS 6D Body $1399
« on: August 18, 2014, 04:32:07 AM »
That is a good deal.  I paid $350 for a used 5D classic yesterday, mostly to play around with.  Prices usually start their end of the year drop around Labor day, so they are early this year.  Canon does not have as high of a inventory level as they had last year, but sales are much slower as well.  Their latest financial report indicates a 54 day turnover, but if sale slow, that will increase.

Ah, in that case we can easily surmise that unless a 6D/5D3 replacement is due at Photokina then the gossip of 5D3 production being stopped are very likely false. If the announcement is to be early 2015 then production wouldn't need to halt until around Christmas sometime - depending on what stock levels are like and what sales are predicted to be for the holiday season.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 04:29:24 AM »
You're focusing on the wrong part of the problem.

You're unable to answer a direct question.  I asked one, your answer was a total fail, and now you want to change the subject to a question you think you do know the answer to, even though you're failing to answer your own question correctly.  Sigh.


Sales are declining so the challenge is to sell more units.

The best way to sell more units is to make the unit more attractive to buyers.

New features, be they software or hardware are a good way to make something more attractive to buyers.

So it sounds like you're agreeing with me that new FF cameras with new technology (at least DPAF) is a good idea for Canon's product range.

Of course new technology is a good idea...necessary, in fact.  To date, your whole schtick on these forums has been that Canon's sensors are inferior (because they offer less low ISO DR than SoNikon).  It's been thoroughly explained to you that Canon's lower low ISO DR has been a fact for years, and they're still the market leader.  You've also frequently stated that Canon's lesser low ISO DR demonstrates their failure to innovate.  DPAF has been a frequent response (by me and others) to your whining, and now all of a sudden it's your idea that DPAF is a great new technology, and I'm agreeing with you??

It's sad that you can't even get your own story straight.  Total metacognitive fail.

Why do you persist in making every conversation a personal statement about who said what when? I'm really not interested in commenting on this because it is a distraction from this thread. Your comment above has absolutely nothing to do with the 5D3 being phased out or new technology from Canon, it is all about trying to draw me into an argument or discredit me for something or another. That doesn't make for very stimulating conversation in my books but you seem to enjoy it. When will you learn that personal attacks and remarks just don't belong in this forum or on this website? And as always, you're playing the man to win, not the ball. Maybe that works for you in political discussion at work but it won't work here.

What I am interested in here (and here being this thread) is what Canon will do in terms of sensor development in both the 7DII and followup cameras. There's no DPAF in FF DSLRs yet so that is one feature that we may see debut (it is already present, to a limited extent, in some EOS C series) in new FF DSLRs in 2015.

But that's a really boring discussion to have since it is already about an existing feature and doesn't really suit a rumors thread.

Now the idea that Canon will do something multi-layerish in the 7DII is interesting and if they do then the follow on expectation will be for it to appear in FF DSLRs next year too. The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant. When you put all of the rumors together plus this one that Canon may have stopped production of the 5D3 already then it is a bigger picture worth looking at.

That's a discussion I'm interested in and if you're not interested in it then please don't respond to this post with questions or statements that lead in different directions (unless you want them to go unanswered.)

If you want to engage in further discussion with me in this thread then talk to me about what new things Canon could do with its sensors in the 7DII and FF DSLRs following it. If you don't want to talk to me about what new and exciting things Canon could be bringing to DSLRs then kindly find another thread or just don't reply because that's not a conversation that I'm interested in having.

Oh, I do realise that from a Canon marketing perspective they really don't want people to expect new things in a 5D4 as close as Feb/Mar 2015 as that might stop people buying a 5D3 now. That's not my problem and I'll leave it to Canon's marketing droids to continue talking about how the current lineup is already sufficient for everyone's needs.

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