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Canon General / Re: Canon Cinema EOS C300 Mark II Will be 4K [CR2]
« on: November 07, 2014, 04:45:35 PM »
I would assume C300Mk2 will be a smaller and far more ergonomic C500 (with external RAW 4K120 available etc.) with internal 4K to CFast. Not sure what the codec will be, or whether this and the over-the-shoulder cam are actually the same cam. Because I imagine the EVF will be moved forward for balance reasons and the screen will be on the back like C100s are. They may also have a C500Mk2 with the internal 4K to CFast and possibly 4K240 if the new chips can deal. All will get DPAF standard and probably a new fast servo zoom as a kit option for ENG/docs/events. There may be a new Canon Log 2 and 4 or 8 channel audio onboard as well.

I'm purely speculating, CR0.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: November 01, 2014, 09:53:56 PM »
It's important to talk about distinguishable pixels rather than "4K." After the lens, the OLPF, the sensor, the RAW converter, the codec, and the necessary post, the number of pixels you can get out of a capture system is usually far less than the theoretical maximum imposed by the nominal pixel counts. Same with bit depth, sampling rate, etc. We need standardized chart/DR/RS/Noise etc. tests of every video mode of every camera but those are not to be found for reasons that continue to baffle me.

And for practical considerations, here's a nice hands-on with the FS7. Seems it's sort of at the "Mark I" level, needs firmware improvements, as does the Metabones Speedbooster to work with it. It also could use some hardware tweaks. It's a little early still for the FS7, and the Canons still have a few advantages as he mentions.

http://www.newsshooter.com/2014/11/01/sony-fs7-field-report-week-1-the-canon-c300-killer/

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 23, 2014, 03:07:28 AM »
Well if they do that it's not going to be targeted at video as such, it will be slanted as the ultimate tool for the dreaded "spray & pray" stills shooter. So if they forget mechanical shutter and just go with an electronic shutter, they can get the frame rate up to 30fps and stream frames out to the faster storage cards available in that era. This will be "video" but it will likely have poor DR, poor low-light, poor compression, and/or poor rolling shutter performance, as they are having to read from nearly all of a 36 megapixel sensor continuously.

But fair enough some people may actually enjoy trying to work with 8K video files for motion. I don't think that will be practical quite as soon as 2016 but by the end of the decade sure.

I am generally against continuous drive for stills shooting outside of fast action shots. It is not photography to me. Photography is about recognizing the right time to release the shutter by looking through the viewfinder. Spray & pray detaches you from the moment (and on optical VFs blocks your view of the subject). I will not be shooting 8K video for stills and I doubt I would for motion. The GH4 has barely 1080p resolution in its 4K mode as it is, their rendition of "consumer 8K" will probably have less than 2000lph.

Rumours credibility responsibility of the respective rumour websites.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-sony-working-on-8k-a99-alike-cameras-to-be-released-in-2016-at-best/

http://www.43rumors.com/gh5-could-have-4k-60fps-and-8k-recording/

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 10:28:36 PM »
Just a tidbit of info, Panasonic is allegedly working on 8K for the GH5. Sony is also working on A99 successor with 8K video for 2016.

CR0

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:38:50 PM »
The C100mk1 has the third generation chip in it, the C100mk2 has the fourth generation chip. So the new firmware won't work on the old camera. There may be improvements in the IQ enabled by the new chip beyond the 60p, we'll have to see.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 04:27:07 PM »
In the realm of subjective argument, there are far more factors outside the camera that influence image quality, but even within the camera the problems that 1700lph can solve in practice (framing, stabilization, jump cuts, etc.) probably overwhelm considerations of a baked-in "look" via camera color science settings. Then there are the ergonomic factors of whether you can get more setups done in a shoot day because the camera already has everything in place and is portable rather than requiring rigging.

If you have a shot worth fussing over, fine, hire a great colorist if necessary. But the hard part is getting that shot worth fussing over and right now I'd rather be armed with an FS7 than a C300/C100. In 2012 I would rather have the C300/C100 than the FS700, and acted on that preference, but Sony has really swept past Canon now. There are still moments that the Canons will outshine the Sonys, but they are few and far between, and with a bit of rigging (e.g. a hot IR mirror, better lighting, etc.) the differences can be overcome.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:53:06 PM »
Technical write-up on a preproduction FS7: http://www.dvinfo.net/article/acquisition/sonyxdcam/first-look-sony-pxw-fs7-l-s-s-shoulder-mount-camcorder-part-1.html

Canon only has the C500, at more than twice the price and far worse ergonomics, to compete with the FS7 right now. Sony is running away with the market.

The EVF and OLED on the C100mk2 are nice, but they're still in the wrong places. The necessity for external recorders to get high bitrates is also obsolete (it's excusable for RAW but that's it at this point). Canon's product cycles tend to be long and that's why this is a concerning development; they absolutely need an FS7 competitor delivered by NAB or they are going to be left in the dust.

The one really nice thing the Canons have going for them are the included ND and IR filters, partly enabled by their long flange distance. But the flexibility of the mirrorless mount on the FS7 can't be denied, and Canon's EOS-M mount was a spectacular failure and can't support full frame 135 sensors anyway. Sony has been calling all the right shots and finally with the FS7 pulled together a product with all the checkmarks. Three years ago, the C300/C100 were great options, and they still have a few advantages left over the Sonys, but absolutely not enough to sway purchase decisions at this point. The fact Canon have yet to respond to the Nikon D800 even is suggestive of serious difficulties in their pipeline. That said, they retain market leadership largely due to their absolute successes in 2012 and earlier and the inertia of people's lens collections.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:32:18 AM »
If the 5D4 is the high-megapixel camera, the video on it is going to be rather poor indeed, as the readout speed limits will mean either line-skipping, severe cropping, or miserable rolling shutter. I don't think the 5D4 will be the high-megapixel camera I think that will be the 1DXs or something like that. The 5D4 will be more or less the 5D3 we have now, but enhanced with the new toys like GPS, touch-to-focus, DPAF, 1080p60, and maybe a storage format bump to CFast.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:11:58 AM »
But the FS7 doesn't include a free 1DX in the tin.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:08:14 AM »
Let's not forget the 1DC, a Canon DSLR with full-frame 4K video (and the first DSLR with either).

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon Announces New Cinema EOS C100 & C300 Kits
« on: October 22, 2014, 01:37:58 AM »
It's doubtful the C100 has the bandwidth to get 4K out of it either through HDMI or the crummy SDXC card slots. The C300 has a better chance, but Canon will much rather sell you (and all the rental houses) new cameras.

As for these contraptions, exactly, this is about the FS7.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 09:52:22 PM »
It's $5500.

I imagine the face detection AF doesn't use DPAF but uses a lamer contrast detection scheme. Or maybe the AF point is movable. Would like a definitive on that.

The Atomos Ninja can't record 1080p60 via HDMI (can do 1080i60 as on the original C100). So that will be a highly compressed AVCHD output...better than interpolated 1080i60 we already have? Doubt the HDMI out even sends 1080p60 but that is another opportunity for an informed person to distinguish themselves by sharing.

It's nice they finally made it work handleless (it has a built-in mic, and a teeny joystick on the OLED display). This is more or less a "what I meant" product...the things that they compromised on to get it out the door quickly at a price point have finally been fixed. It's amazing how slow Canon is rolling out basic things like firmware tweaks. I hope it's all hands on deck getting something together that will hurt the FS7.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 09:32:27 PM »
Really bad news for Canon this mild refresh is all they could manage. The Sony FS7 will run away with sales this season now. This refresh was due last year or so. We could just about fake 60p slomo with 60i already. The card format is still the same old SDXC and won't be firmware upgradable to 4K. There is no mention of whether you can move the AF point yet or if it's still stuck in the center (I imagine it is stuck as Westfall claimed it was a DPAF sensor limitation). Stills shooters can survive with only center AF but video absolutely cannot. Of course cinema shooters don't autofocus unless forced.

Canon also announced a contraption kit that tries to make a C300 sit cat-on-a-shoulder like the FS7 does stock for half the price. No dice.

If the C400 (affordable 4K120 onto CFast I'd guess, under $10K) shows up at NAB they are still in the game but limping a bit. The FS7 really is stealing the show. The new 50-1000 zoom is amazing for a niche lens but it only covers Super35. Which may suggest Canon isn't doing a full frame video camera other than the 1DC derivatives. Yes I do doubt 4K in a 5D4. 1DCmkII yes.

I imagine the new EVF and OLED are nice, but it's basically the same camera. Day late and a dollar short Canon. This is still better than a DSLR but there is no reason not to buy the FS7 instead.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: September 25, 2014, 02:10:23 AM »
8K video is over 33 megapixels. Canon still don't have a stills camera that shoots that.

There is a certain quantity called "enough" and I think 4K is about that. 24/48 audio is already enough. There are post processes that benefit from a larger capture resolution and processing space. But for consumer delivery 4K video may be standard for decades, most likely the change from there isn't just going to be resolution (it will be holodeck etc.).

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Can Canon Cinema EOS Keep Up?
« on: September 24, 2014, 04:58:27 AM »
The 5K displays allow full-res editing of 4K with some "chrome" (UI controls) around it. They are just a doubling of the equivalent 30 inch display resolutions from the HD era (2560x1600 or something like that).

8K is more or less ridiculous I doubt delivery of motion will exceed 4K at least to consumers. There will be some IMAX-style theaters with 8K perhaps.

But sooner than 8K is 6K, that's out already in the Alexa 65 and the RED Dragon. This extra resolution will allow repo (reframing in post) and stabilization for a 4K deliverable.

Post (CGI/VFX/Roto etc.) pipelines for 4K are still rare. 2K/HD is going to be used for a while and if upscaled well it can work too. We like 24p because of the blur remember.

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