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EOS Bodies / Re: Reminder: Canon EOS 70D Launch Tonight
« on: July 01, 2013, 06:11:32 PM »
I'm looking forward to the test results of all the new camera's coming out for Canon.
The one major thing I'm looking at is the question... Has Canon upped it's game
when it comes to dynamic range?

I'm a back country photographer, and shadows can be a challenge at times.

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Lenses / Re: New Wide Angle Lenses in 2013 [CR2]
« on: June 19, 2013, 03:33:25 PM »
I'm for one that would welcome the 14-24mm 2.8!
If there was a lens Nikon had that Canon didn't have, the 14-24mm is that lens for me!
If I had to guess on a price I'd say your in the ballpark of $2300 based upon what Nikon's
price is for it's own 14-24mm 2.8.

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: May 15, 2013, 01:25:49 PM »
Indeed, I note that this morning that the Biggies have jumped their body prices yet another $100 and Canon has mysteriously just run completely out of stock on just about everything refurbished (at least according to Canon Price Watch 30 minutes ago).  I don't have any fearless predictions but as I mentioned earlier, this program is likely working to Canon's satisfaction or they would be doing something else, they're not dumb.  The Summer will be an interesting time to watch as these "peak" retail harvest seasons go away and they try, try I say, to gather back those of us who actually regularly buy the more expensive gear who haven't jumped ship yet (7100 sitting right here on my desk for eval with no 7DII or 70D or ? to compete).

Refurbished out of stock? That doesn't surprise me at all. Especially with the lenses...
Let's just say consumers are watching prices more than ever before. I think it goes back to when the economy was in worse shape. People are watching what they spend, and how they spend it. Granted... the purchasing of consumers have been more positive in the last 6 months, but the eagle eye on prices still exist.
I guess that's why it's perplexing as to the gap in prices between the Nikon and Canon models ( $700? 5D Mark III versus Nikon D800 ). Not every consumer understands how a camera works in detail, but if you go into a best buy for instance the sales guy will use big numbers to rope in a customer. The big numbers I'm talking about is Mega Pixels and price!
You can get a Nikon with 36 MP for $700 less than a Canon with 22.3 MP. Customers will go WOW!!! What a deal!!!
Bottom line is this... The average consumer doesn't understand that both camera's in reality pretty equal when you look at all the pluses and minuses. All they see is the price number one, and the value number two of the Mega Pixel difference. This is what a lot of electronic retail chains are doing to sell camera's now. It's all about the WOW factor, and Nikon has two big WOW factors that these sales people are using. I know this first hand. I walked into a large electronics chain and asked lots of questions just to see what the vibe was in the stores. This is what I saw, and what I experienced.
It was an interesting experience to say the least...

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: May 03, 2013, 04:34:45 PM »
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I buy from Adorama on ebay all the time, and other big name sellers also use ebay.  I've never had a issue, and I've bought many thousands worth.
 
With ebay, its just a matter of being careful.  Use your credit card, and check into a company that you do not know about.
 
As to Big Value selling 370 bodies, they have sold more than that in one day.   They sold 500 in a few hours last fall when the price dropped to $2600.
 
Big Value has listed the 5D MK III over and over.  The 370 number is from just one of their many listings of the 5D MK III.

That is a good point, Mt. Spokane!
However... the link to Big Value that you provide on this site is for one listing. That quantity number hasn't changed in over 8 days now. Big Value has a second listing which includes a memory card. On that listing they have 73 sold at the moment.
It's important to have baseline numbers. That's why I've listed numbers as a fact with a time frame. Listing numbers by themselves do you no good. You need to monitor the numbers on each day to give yourself a track record.
Thanks for bringing that up!

Let me reply to Chuck if I may...
I'm a professional photographer too. My background also deals with advertising and marketing. As a professional photographer yourself, you realize more than others that 20% of your time is spent behind the camera, and the other 80% is about post/business related things.
As part of my 80% I need to watch my costs. Equipment costs are things I can control to a certain degree. That degree is when you purchase at the right time, and if your getting value with your purchase.
What stood out like a sore thumb to me is how a camera such as the 5D Mark III being on the market for over a year now went up in price? The rebate was added to somehow disguise that price move. It truly perplexed me as a advertising and marketing person/background that Canon would do that?
Let me explain...
Rumor has it that Canon has a larger MP camera ready to launch sometime in the near future. Why would you raise the price of the 5D Mark III being over a year old, and lower the price of the 6D which is the newest full frame camera Canon has come out with?
Is the reason to place the 5D Mark III between the 6D, and the upcoming large MP camera?
Interesting thought, isn't it???
My other point was that there's a huge price gap between the 5D Mark III and the 6D which will allow Nikon to take advantage with the D800. The D800 price fits right between the 5D Mark III and the 6D, and the D800 is  $500 less than the 5D Mark III.
Chuck, I appreciate the time you took to gather up the amazon numbers. I think you need to have a base time frame/ranking to see how they will change in the next week, month etc... Thank for doing that!
In the end, an open discussion with facts should always be welcomed. My posts weren't intended to stir the pot. It was only intended to point out changes in regards to the flip flop marketing and advertising Canon was doing.
So... Is Canon positioning themselves with prices before the big MP comes out or, did Canon allow Nikon to get more market share? I guess with some baseline numbers with a few things I guess we'll wait and see.
Ciao...

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: May 02, 2013, 11:03:16 PM »
Buy what you want - and go back to lurking.  No one on this forum controls the prices charged by stores.  If you have a question we will be glad to answer it - I have learned a lot from others on this forum.  But forget the cheap shots, the are simply cheap

Thank you for that personal attack, RGF!
First of all... what cheap shot?
Who said people on this forum controls the prices charged by the stores?
If you would take the time to read the posts, this was about how Canon themselves have set prices/raised prices, and created a rebate program which was questionable.
These are all facts!
If you want to enter an opinion based upon what this thread was about, please do.
Ciao...

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:03:54 PM »


Amazon top sellers list --- 5d3 today isranked at 13th (body only)...6d is ranked at 10th (body and kit lens), and at 15th (body only.  D800 comes in at 20th -- and the d600 comes in at 28th --- the 7d is at 19th ---12 canons in the top 20...nikon has 8....Sounds to me like canon is selling camers!!!
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Amazon's top seller list is ranked over a long period of time. It's has nothing to do with today's sales or, this weeks numbers.

Big Value is shown on Ebay. Big Value can't fudge those numbers. Those numbers are generated by Ebay.
I totally understand the "big house" numbers would be intriguing, but for a low cost seller it's interesting that they haven't sold one in over a week. Maybe being an non-authorized vendor has something to do with it?
However... they have sold 370 in the past.

BTW... Get it Digital is at a quantity of 20. Just for the record... ;) They happen to sell on Ebay too.
I'm just going to sit back and watch both of those vendors. Let's see what happens if these two vendors drop their prices from where they are now.

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: May 01, 2013, 07:01:56 PM »
I understand your thoughts, BrokenArrow. I've been lurking on this site for a long time before I actually signed on, and I know there are those that have been around longer than I have.
This has nothing to do against the Canon products. That's all I own... Some may know more about the Canon products, and that's fine with me too. We always need to continue our learning. However... with my background in retail advertising and marketing I'll also call it as I see it. This last rebate/price thing that happened during this so called "rebate program" I feel was backhanded gesture by Canon. That's how I personally felt about it, and I know there are more that felt the same way. Remember... I didn't start this thread. ;)
Canon shouldn't play myself or, any other loyal customer as stupid. That's what this rebate program amounts to. Now since they left this huge price discrepancy between certain camera models, I expect Nikon to gain more market share. How much more? Well... Big Value is still at a quantity of 370 5D Mark III sold, and that number hasn't changed in the last 7 days now. In marketing and advertising numbers are huge! Big Value's stuck at 370 tells me plenty.
With how Canon came across with this so called "rebate program", Canon's way of playing the loyal customers, and with this price gap in camera models between Canon and Nikon I've decided to set up my big fan. It's just a matter of time when a certain substance hits that fan. Just say'n...
It will play out that either Canon loses market share in the higher end cropped frame/entry to mid level full frame camera's or, Canon drops the prices. I guess we'll see which scenario plays out.

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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: April 29, 2013, 07:11:55 PM »
BrokenArrow... You're totally right!
My background is marketing and adverting too. ;)
The Canon smoke screen/BS is indeed a junior marketing move. I kinda laughed when I saw what they were doing. Your also right when it comes to other companies that try to pull the same method of marketing. Your mention of Macy's was your example.
My issue isn't about bashing Canon products. I love my camera's and lenses!
My point is that by attempting to develop a lower entry full frame camera market, Canon has created a price gap which will help Nikon slide right in and take market share of the low to mid level professional camera equipment.
Is it a smart move to develop a new entry level full frame market with a larger price gap to the 5D Mark III due to lower than expected sales with the 6D or, do you lower the price gap to protect your market share?
It's a huge gamble, and I can't see them winning on this type of marketing strategy since as I mentioned before... the Nikon D800 and the Canon 5D Mark III are very similar to one another with the Nikon being $500 less.
Toss in the increase of smartphone camera's, and I'd be concentrating on keeping my market share.
Like the old saying goes... Money talks and BS walks...
I hope Canon cuts the price gap, and continues with providing great products to the loyal brand customers.



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Canon General / Re: the rebate program... what a sham!
« on: April 29, 2013, 03:13:01 PM »
I agree. It is a bit of a sham, but I think there's more too it than that.
I believe Canon is having a problem selling it's 6D. They need to create a larger market for the new entry level
full frame so what they did was to create a larger gap in prices between the 6D and the 5D Mark III. Canon raises the prices slightly for the 5D Mark III, and they lower the price slightly with the 6D since it's entry level price of $2099. Yes, it was a smoke screen that Canon preformed here by Raising the prices and tossing out a rebate at the same time. Even Big Value is having a problem with selling the 5D Mark III now. They've been stuck on a quantity sold of 370 for the last 5 days. They too have raised prices, but in the end it's all about profit and creating markets.
With Canon trying to create this larger gap between the 6D and the 5D Mark III, it's going to allow Nikon to gain a larger market share of the DSLR overall market.
To be honest, there are lots of comparisons between the 5D Mark III and the Nikon D800. When you get right down to it, you really have to nit pick the heck out of the differences unless you include video. ( Canon is much better ) As of today you can get a Canon 5D Mark III for roughly $3299 from either of the big retailers out of New York. ( At the end of March you could get a 5D Mark III from the big boys at $2949 ) You can go to the same retailers and get the Nikon D800 for about $2796. A $500 difference between Nikon and Canon???
I love my Canon, but I question the strategy behind creating this new entry level extended price gap. It's going to hurt sales versus create sales by allowing Nikon to price gap the differences of the Canon strategy.


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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon refurb sale...what happened?
« on: April 29, 2013, 02:14:03 PM »
I'd give them a call. That sale is still on the website as on 11am Pacific Time

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I'm still confused with how Canon works. Purchasing a camera at a decent price is almost like working on Wall st. Sometimes the prices go up, and sometimes the prices go down. I called B and H to see if they would come down in price if I purchased 2 camera bodies. They wouldn't budge. I asked them if they would give me a competitive price if I showed them someone selling for less. I told them who it was. They still refused.
I can understand making a profit, but with how this last rebate worked... jacking up the prices before the rebate had me feeling like I got the rug yanked right out from under me. Something just feels a little weird about this. Ya know? ;)
I guess I need to wait some more or, go with that company with the much lower price. We'll see...

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I was looking at getting 2 Canon bodies. A 60D and a 5D Mark III. I know the Mark III on most of the websites were $2900 and change in March. Start a new rebate and jack up the prices?
Is Canon trying to slow their sales? It's confusing...
Maybe I'll try to call one of the dealers on the phone to see if they'll swing a deal if I'm purchasing 2 bodies.
Has anyone ever been able to get a lower price doing a deal like that? Just curious...

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