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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Magic Lantern on the 5D Mark III
« on: September 25, 2012, 10:19:55 PM »
When testing out peaking, I noticed the left side of the camera got pretty warm- this didn't seem to happen previously (related to ARM processor heat?). I have a laser thermometer, may look into further when I have time. Anyone else notice this?

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: More Analysis of the C100
« on: September 11, 2012, 07:18:57 PM »
The C100 with the Atmos Ninja 2 looks like a solid combo providing 422 ProRes or DNxHD for ~$7500. For web/internet/TV, the 420 24Mbit H.264 via AVCHD container is sufficient (as it is with the 5D2 and 5D3).

422 via HDMI reported here: http://www.cinema5d.com/news/

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John - as always, thanks for the information. Question: are you using the aux out or the headphone out from the Sound Devices?

I'm using the Mic/Line out from the Sound Devices. If you can hit -12dB with camera mic level set to +1 and it sounds good, you are good to go.

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Hey Jason- I've gotten excellent results with manual +1 and a very high quality preamp (Sound Devices USB Pre2, same hardware topology as the 722):

5D Mark III - Pro Audio Test Small | Large


An older test using the 5D2:
Lilliput 5D-II-O-P Peaking, Audio Technica 4029 Audio Small | Large


G3 and lav mic into 5D2:
Small | Large

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: How to Live - 5D3 short
« on: June 29, 2012, 05:50:13 PM »
Thanks Axilrod. The ideas are perhaps thousands of years old- updated with our current understanding of the universe,  iterative computation, and biology.

The script for the next episode discusses the nature of the universe in more detail. Later scripts will discuss mind/body/nutrition, probably with documentary style interviews. All of it relates back to the two generative concepts in the first episode.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: How to Live - 5D3 short
« on: June 29, 2012, 05:44:54 PM »
Thanks Jason. Given that this series is planned for the web (where many people are watching content vs. TV), the 5D3 works great. Post sharpening is easy and fast- part of the grading process.

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EOS Bodies - For Video / How to Live - 5D3 short
« on: June 29, 2012, 12:54:06 AM »
We finished our first project with the 5D3.
Tagline: "What is the meaning of life?" Perhaps we should ask a different question.

Small | Large


Vimeo version with full HD download: https://vimeo.com/44909002

Lenses: 16-35 F2.8 II, 24-105 F4L, 70-200 F2.8L II.
FaderND gen 1.
Profiles: Faithful and CineStyle.
VO: Audio Technica 4029, Mogami cable, FocusRite Scarlett 2i2 (very low cost and ultra quiet!) into Reaper on OSX.
Edited in PPro CS6 on Win7x64, image stabilized and post sharpened.

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According to BBC broadcast specifications, interframe compressed footage should be at least 50Mbps, intraframe compressed footage should be at least 100Mbps, 5D3's 33Mbps and 90Mbps is just a tad below that minimun requirement, how smart Canon is!

I've seen 101Mbps in ALL-I on a Lexar 600X CF card (complex tree scene).

It looks like PPro CS6 is doing a better job with ALL-I re: block artifacts (720p60 looks clearly better than IPB), however 1080p24 for non-fast motion still looks really good with IPB (haven't seen a case yet where ALL-I is better).

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If there is any real effect, I think it involves the polarizer.

Testing a linear polarizer (in addition to circular), at different angles would also be interesting. Check this out: http://nikonusa.com/en_US/IMG/Images/Learn-And-Explore/2012/Camera-Technology/D-SLR-Series/Moire-D800-D800E/Media/OLPF_schematic.pdf
A polarizer might stop/reduce/change the last diffusion stage (if the 5D3 works similarly). A collimator might also have interesting properties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collimator (check out the Söller collimator drawing):


Ah, interesting, another clue from the Nikon link:
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By converting polarized light into circularly polarized light with the wave plate, two points are divided into four points at low-pass filter 2.


Since a circular polarizer is a linear polarizer with a 1/4 wave retarder (phase shifter, "wave plate"), curious if this might explain a real effect when a circular polarizer is placed in front of this optical assembly. Intuitively, based on testing, it could be a circular polarizer reduces the effect of the OLPF by 1/2 to 1/4.

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This scene shot at 24mm with a FaderND gen 1 (works fine with the 24-105 lens) looks sharper than normal for a detailed wide angle shot: https://vimeo.com/40107424

It's not sharp, but it appears sharper than normal and requires less post sharpening (about 1/2 the amount). This example shows moire (church), which I haven't seen before with the 5D3 (well, have seen it before but very minor). More details in the vimeo description and original MOV available for download. Banding in sky likely due to using CineStyle and over-exposing the shot (could fix in post if this shot was needed using noise/grain or selective blurring with AE or Resolve).

If anyone has a FaderND (any version), Heliopan, etc., or clear linear/circular polarizers, would helpful to know if polarizers can help improve sharpness (some OLPFs use a polarizer- might be some kind of interaction with polarized light which reduces diffusion and blur).

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 09, 2012, 12:02:15 AM »
The file size conscious intraframe IPB uses some complex algorithms to compare neighboring frames and tries to find similarities from one frame to another. It can then achieve higher compression rates because it deals less with the parts of the image that stay the same from frame to frame. With interframe IPB, quality is lower (although Canon says not by much), file size is smaller, and the video files will use more computer processing power."


Thanks for the explanation Jordan (I work with these codecs at the software level in my day job). My low level analysis of video frames shows artifacts present in ALL-I but not in IPB (part of the issue is PPro CS5.5.2). Thus, my findings show IPB is higher quality vs. ALL-I (especially lower noise, and less macroblock artifacts). ALL-I is useful for editing on slower computers; IPB provides higher quality (please post images from video frames if you find otherwise). I understand it's counter-intuitive, however I have tested it. You too can test it. More info here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?279229-Canon-5D-Mark-III-IPB-contains-more-detail-and-has-less-artifacts-than-ALL-I/page3

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 08, 2012, 02:47:36 PM »
Hey Jordan- thanks for posting the test shot. Can you shoot the same scene again using IPB and the same settings along with sharpening in post- set in-camera sharpening to 0 (it will look initially softer than ALL-I)? I can see macroblocking (Honda billboard, in shadow, NBC billboard), and aliasing (Subway sign).

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 08, 2012, 01:03:53 PM »
I'm shooting my movie, now with 2 5D3s. I've got Canon lenses, and I am familiar with Canon's software (custom profiles), menu systems, and can get pro audio out of in-camera recording when necessary (using a preamp).

I can sharpen and add custom noise to IPB in post that looks crisp, clean and detailed enough for my needs at this time.

If the D800 were all around better, would you sell all of your Canon glasses and switch?

The FS700 is more than twice as much as the 5D3, requires an expensive adapter for Canon lenses (Metabones), requires a full support rig and a lot more gear to make into a useful tool. Granted the results will be excellent, however run & gun and discrete shooting options go away.

Hopefully the release of the FS700 will bring down the price of the C300, which I would prefer over the FS700 (the FS700 won't do 4k at release).

For the manufacturers, yes, it is a contest of sorts. However for us consumers, the release of new cameras doesn't prevent our current cameras from working. Nothing stopping us from completing our projects.

Also note that a $450 maxmax.com OLPF removal mod may bring the 5D3 up closer to 1000 lines of resolution. If they can make the dust cleaning system operational, I might consider this option (after more examples have been posted showing no major issues with aliasing and moire (at least similar to C300 performance)).

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 07, 2012, 08:26:36 PM »
has anybody found a comparison of the 5DIII vs the HDMI 4:2:2 of the D800? I think the internal codec of the D800 easily wins in detail to even the "all I" mkIII one. But I'm really curious if the detail will improve using the HDMI out because both the D800 and 5DMKIII are still VERY SOFT compared to a still downscaled to 1080.


ALL-I stores less detail than IPB (ALL-I stores more noise & artifacts, which can look sharper/more detailed before post processing. PPro CS5.5's decoder exacerbates the ALL-I quality problem (macroblocking), whereas FCP7/Compressor's decoder does a better job). Post sharpening works great on IPB (and to a lesser extent on ALL-I due to noise & artifacts; it can become chunky/granular if sharpened too much).

Tested static shots, moving shots, low & high detail- haven't yet been able to get ALL-I to exceed IPB in detail stored. If anyone has an example showing ALL-I exceeding IPB, please post it (+100% still frame crops) along with camera settings (http://carousel.hu/c300/?page_id=395 shows ALL-I not looking worse than IPB, however the scene is not detailed).

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EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: Canon 5D Mark III - Resolution Review
« on: April 04, 2012, 11:50:36 PM »
I'm hoping that someone more knowledgeable than myself can help us interpret this.

Here is capture from the same source video as in the resolution chart tests that I did (video linked above in this thread). In this capture, the video is on the bottom and the still (scaled to 1920x1080p) is on the top. I applied an EXTREME amount of sharpening to the video (more than anyone in their right mind would even dream of applying to real shots) and some to the still.

Under the theory (as I understand it) that sharpening cannot create resolution, I wonder what is going on in this chart? There are distinguishable groups of lines near the "10" (1000 lines) mark.

Does this mean that the 5D3 might have more true resolution than we think?

Hey Jason- as the lines approach the resolution limit of the camera, the information begins to alias. As we move farther right, the aliasing becomes so strong that we can no longer see clear black-white line pairs. The limit in your chart example is around 850 lines, which is consistent with every other line chart test I have seen (including my own). The lines you are seeing past 850 are aliased and so-called 'false detail'. At one point based on your vimeo test I estimated 890 lines, however 850 is probably more fair. 1000+ would be nice but 850 is good enough for now.

I too have asked to see a line chart with the NO-OLPF mod. My guess is that it will show 900+ lines. I estimate that removing the OLPF might not alias too badly for video based on the low-pass filtering effect of pixel binning (2x2 or 3x3, etc.). Also requested pan shots on high detail image- sounds like they are coming.

It's possible to have the OPLF mod done for $450 by maxmax.com. They'll also put an optical glass in place to keep the optics correct. Ideally they'll find a way to also make the dust cleaning system work (or perhaps Canon will provide the parts, including optical glass, to make this work: another way to make a buck).

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