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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 23, 2013, 06:57:06 PM »
I then quickly turned with my 1Dx and 400 f/2.8L I IS lens, and with bad framing, still caught the other Malone hurdler at the absolute very last moment.  I posted it because of how quickly the AF worked to lock on the new hurdler:


great action...nice capture!

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 22, 2013, 01:50:55 PM »
Just upgraded to the 1Dx from the 5D3, I am just learning how to use it.  On the plus side I am getter bigger biceps too.  Here are a couple of images that I shot the other morning with the f1.2 50L and the 600EX-RT for fill, the surfer at the shower was @ 2.8/1250/iso 400 and the girls were at f5.6/2000/iso 400


congrats on the upgrade, and welcome.

the 1dx is such an awesome camera to shoot, enjoy!

nice beach shot....love the "chuck taylors" that the girls are wearing.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX and 5D3 RAW files
« on: May 21, 2013, 12:03:49 PM »
Certainly, let me use an analogy which might help.  Lets say you are recording a violinist onto a tape recorder using a high quality tape.  When the violinist plays softly you have to amplify the signal to increase the volume.  As you do so you also increase the noise from the tape.  Maybe the violinist is playing so soft that their sound level falls to the point where it's difficult to tell if it's a violin or tape hiss (noise).  Depending on which tape you use (high quality or cheap quality) and what equipment you are using (radio shack tape deck or Yamaha digital tape deck)  you will have more or less noise when recording that violinist at the same recording level.

This also holds true for image sensors.  When the brightness is low such as in a shadow or low light situation the photon levels are so low that they are mixed with noise.  Depending on the sensor and supporting backend electronics there may be more or less noise.  Amplification, same as with that tape deck, amplifies not only the photons but also the noise level.  Higher quality components (better sensor, larger pixels, better amplifiers) can all contribute to less noise compared to the signal and more DR in the shadows.

You absolutely cannot compare sensor IQ without also considering the supporting electronics used in processing the signal.  Even if the cameras use the exact same sensor, different electronics on the back end will affect the IQ.  There are a lot of different points to consider.  What causes IQ differences in 5D3 and 1DX may be different in other models depending on the generation of support electronics also used.

Remember also that the image as it hits the sensor is still analog.  It's not converted to digital until after any amplification has already occurred.

Failure of the amplifier to pull photons from the background noise.

Please explain what you mean by this statement.

this makes sense eastwind...and i think somewhere in the supporting electronics/advanced circuits/design lies the specific answer to bdun's question.

one question though...if "better quality components/circuitry" supporting each photosite is so critical, then why does my old nikon d7000 (for $1000) have significantly better DR under iso 400 compared to a $6700 1dx when the "supporting parts" are surely of lesser quality.....does it all fall on design at that point?

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 21, 2013, 11:14:33 AM »
A couple of natalia the 1st with 3x 600 ex-rt's.

i think i speak for most here when i say..."bornshooter, don't stop posting!"

nice shots!   

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 21, 2013, 11:10:51 AM »
Some of mine.  Went to the local zoo.  Just testing my recently acquired Canon 2x teleconverter III with my EF 70-200 f/2.8L II.  Gotta give you all a heads up that my shots do not come anywhere close to Gary Samples' and eml58's shots...composition and capture...theirs are just brilliant, jaw-dropping, and most importantly to me, inspiring.  Thank you both for sharing your images with everyone here.

Not taking away from everyone else's images...just that these two gents' images are what keeps me coming back to this thread.

hi dwight...how's the 1dx treating you?

i like your second shot of the gorilla with the plant on his face....i like his expression!

remember when we were talking 6 months ago about counting actuations up to 1000, well now i'm somewhere closer to 30k lol...how about you?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX and 5D3 RAW files
« on: May 21, 2013, 11:01:16 AM »
I have had both cameras for a bit now and have collected lots of RAW from both cameras and as I get time I process them and put them in correct folders.

I NEVER COME TO KNOW WHICH CAMERA TOOK WHICH PHOTO unless I check metadata.

My opinion: There is no difference in IQ. I may be wrong, but I would not pick either camera just for IQ. While shooting, it is a different story altogether.

Would love for someone to post photos and educate me. Not challenging, I want to learn.


i think you're correct sanj....i would say there is no discernible difference between the two in good light with nothing moving..imo.

but i think bdun was referring to higher iso shots....and I would agree with him, the 1dx is slightly better when working a raw image in post at higher iso.....imo.

this past winter i shot a lot of hockey, and spent considerable time trying to "work" the dark areas under hockey helmets so that i could see more and better face detail...the 1dx was slightly better than 5d3 for this at iso 1600 and up

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 20, 2013, 09:05:05 PM »
1Dx 300f/2.8, Shot @ f/6.3 1/320th ISO1600

The choice on the day was Leopards, or, A pack of Wild Dog had come into the area, no choice, these Animals are not only Beautiful but severely endangered, so we looked for these Guys all day, finally found them hunting just on Sunset. The tall Grass made them, for me, exceptionally hard to shoot in the fading light, so every shot I tried with the Pack Running I blew, but everything stands still sometime.

Eml...I envy you...you cover such an incredible range of photography....and you do it very, very well...again, nice shot!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX and 5D3 RAW files
« on: May 20, 2013, 08:55:55 PM »
Larger pixel "wells"?  Just a guess.

Yes, I knew they had larger pixel wells.  How does this make a RAW file better?  Do you know?  Thanks Northstar.

I don't know, but I seem to remember reading that within each "pixel well", a percentage of said "well" gather's light and a percentage is "other stuff" (electronics circuits or whatever)

My understanding is that better technology has increased the "gathers light" portion of the "well" as the circuitry part/percentage is reduced through tech advances....the 1dx has a larger "well" and more of that larger well gathers light because the tech is better/smaller?

I'm prob wrong...but that is my "laymen" understanding of the tech... someone please correct me if I am wrong..I am not a techie at all.

North

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX and 5D3 RAW files
« on: May 20, 2013, 07:44:57 PM »
Larger pixel "wells"?  Just a guess.

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 15, 2013, 12:07:30 PM »
1Dx 85f/1.2 L II, Shot @ f/4.5 & 1/160th ISO320

Love this Lens

Fantastic image...i probably stared at it for a good 15 seconds to soak it all in.


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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 13, 2013, 07:59:49 PM »
Big Ten track meet:

Very nice bdun!

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: May 13, 2013, 07:55:22 PM »
Photo at a friend's wedding. Reception was incredibly dark.  Shot with 600ex-rt on camera.

Love it!

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 13, 2013, 07:52:40 PM »

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: May 13, 2013, 07:50:20 PM »
1Dx
85f1.2L II  shot @ 1.2   1/5000 iso 200  with just a little bit of  window light  off hand


Super shot Gary...although it's easy when you have  such a little cutie for a subject  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Buy 1DX now or wait for an upgrade?
« on: May 12, 2013, 07:15:21 PM »
Buy now.  It's technology halfway through the product cycle and people like you provide the funding for future product improvements whether you know how to use them or not.  You'll help the economy, maybe get a few
decent snapshots and provide some struggling photographer a good deal when you sell it to upgrade.


Now that's some funny stuff

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