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Site Information / Re: Canon Rumors Site & iOS 8 Issues
« on: September 24, 2014, 05:17:45 PM »
iOS 8 has a ton of bugs. I have been using it for most of the summer through my Developer Account. There were actually very few betas for this release...makes me wonder if they wanted to just get it out in time for the new phones.

Either way, Wifi is slow or doesn't connect, apps crash like crazy, and battery performance is a mess. Location Services keeps running in the background for system services too, which is strange.

iOS 8.0.1 which was released today is a mess too. The over-the-air update through the phone or iPad system preferences caused the devices to drop cellular reception and Touch ID capabilities.

Is there any way of re loading the previous iOS ?

Yes, there's three ways of fixing the issue:

1) I believe Apple is still pushing iOS 8.0.0 through iTunes. So, if you've updated to the newest version through Over The Air, then you can connect to your phone and have it restored to the old version.

2) You can manually download the 8.0.1 IPSW file from another source online. Check www.MacRumors.com in the iPhone forums for download links.

3) Similar to step 2. Find an iOS 7 IPSW file and restore through iTunes using the Option + Restore method.

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Site Information / Re: Canon Rumors Site & iOS 8 Issues
« on: September 24, 2014, 05:11:06 PM »
iOS 8 has a ton of bugs. I have been using it for most of the summer through my Developer Account. There were actually very few betas for this release...makes me wonder if they wanted to just get it out in time for the new phones.

Either way, Wifi is slow or doesn't connect, apps crash like crazy, and battery performance is a mess. Location Services keeps running in the background for system services too, which is strange.

iOS 8.0.1, which was released today, is a mess too. The over-the-air update through the phone or iPad system preferences caused the devices to drop cellular reception and Touch ID capabilities.

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R1-7D, reading through this reminded me of a previous thread

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=17619.0

maybe worth a read if you haven't already

regards

Zim,

Thank you for the link. I had not seen that thread. I'm somewhat at a loss over this... It's beginning to look more and more like a design flaw issue Canon is aware of but wants to do nothing about. I'm sure it's not got the traction the Nikon D600 had simply because it's a less common camera, costing three times as much.


Does anyone remember the leaks of Canon documents outlining known defects in their products they weren't going to do anything about from earlier this year? I'm beginning to wish Canon Rumors posted more of those leaks... I have a sneaky suspicion the debris in the viewfinder issue I am, and a lot of others, are experiencing would be in one of those documents.

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Hi Folks.
If I may attempt to add my interpretation, I think where this is going is that the quality of the OP's 1DX with respect to dust in the viewfinder falls short of the quality experienced in previous cameras from the same supplier namely Canon used in the same manner by the same user, the original poster.
I would be peeved to have a pro camera body multiple times the cost of a previous body fill up with crud internally if I had not experienced the same issue from the cheaper camera used the same way!
I have to say that I would be extremely concerned at where this material was coming from, if it is not getting it in when lenses are changed (accepting the similar use would have allowed the same amount of crud in to a previous body) is some part of the internal mechanism eating itself?
Was the previous body better internally sealed at a lower price point?
I fully sympathise with the OP regarding this situation, especially having it returned with a fingerprint and a mechanical issue that was not present before!

Cheers, Graham.

Hi Graham,

Thank you for your response and taking the time to go through this thread. I also appreciate the support.

You pretty much covered the gist of it, and yes, absolutely, the thought that something could be wearing inside of the camera has definitely crossed my mind. I don't know if what I'm seeing is actually dirt/dust or whether it's maybe filings from some components wearing unnecessarily. It's a big concern.


I'll be sitting down either tonight or tomorrow to write a letter to Canon detailing my experiences.

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No it isn't, that is a perfect example of a camera collector, a person I have great respect for.

I well understand the collecting mentality, and I have been a strong supporter of a slightly different variant of people here who want the best simply because they want the best.
Private, I was just being funny - but yes, the Leica collectors have their place, as do collectors of all types.

R1-7D, I meant this as a side joke, not about you, and I hope that was clear.  Also, I haven't been able to find my FoCal report yet, but I need to look in one other place.  I remember it being sharp at f/2.8 and then dropping off considerably at f/5.6 which didn't make any sense to me.

Mackguyver,

No offence taken. My response is soley to Private, who I'm not sure really appreciates my situation, which is different than what he's talking about.

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No it isn't, that is a perfect example of a camera collector, a person I have great respect for.

I well understand the collecting mentality, and I have been a strong supporter of a slightly different variant of people here who want the best simply because they want the best.

But lets not lose sight of the fact that the 1DX and 24-70 f2.8 MkII are the current production top of the line tools, they are made to do a job, they are not limited edition pink alligator covered Leica's. They are not advertised as hermetically sealed and for people to not only expect them to be, but to be very verbose and critical of them because they are not not only illustrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the product, but a distinct lack of appreciation for what the tool is actually designed and capable of doing.

If R1-7D had put his 1DX and 24-70 in that glass cabinet, one, it wouldn't have got any dust in it, and two, he wouldn't have noticed if it had.

As per my post on the last page, I do not exhibit a "fundamental lack of understanding of the product" or a lack of "appreciation for what the tool is used for."

The amount of debris in my viewfinder would have raised eye-brows on just about anyone who just spent $7000 on a camera. People also buy expensive high performance machines such as cars and motorcycles, and while the paint doesn't necessarily affect the overall performance of the machine, it sure is unsettling to see it start peeling right after purchase for no reason. You may claim that vehicle paint is warrantied in such situations where camera viewfinders are not, to which I'll respond that even Canon thought there was an issue with my prism, otherwise they would not have replaced it. Also, there is no perfect analogy; if you can't see the parallels I'm drawing then the point has simply been missed...

In my case, I did not even get chance to misuse the camera that would cause a massive accumulation of debris in the prism. It happened all on its own within a very short period of time. I have enough of an understanding of how expensive products should be to realize that experiencing what I have is not right or normal under the circumstances.

I also have enough understanding of customer service to know that when I do send something in for repair it should not come back with something else not operating properly. 

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Roger Cicala of lensrentals has dealt with Canon repair a lot, as well as with other repair, for problems that lensrentals staff haven't yet learned to fix in house. He has a VERY SIMPLE SUGGESTION. If you go to the trouble of testing your lens with FoCal or with a home-brew test (even the "brick wall"), you need to send the test photos and the test methods that you used along with the lens, and a list of the defects that you found (eg. "lower left corner consistently soft, see photos #1,3,4..."). Load up your images and text on a $5 thumb drive labelled with your lens SN and your name, and ship it in the box with the lens.

For more details, see his lensrentals blog. But really, this is common sense, service personnel appreciate being shown the specifics of the user's issue with the product, and are likely to look harder when diagnosing the lens's problem - human nature. A lot of people return products with complaints of "it doesn't look sharp" but there may be unrealistic expectations or the product is defective under some conditions but not others, and it is hard to ID some problems in a quick inspection.

Nancy,

I have done that, only I burnt the images to CD, my experience is they don't even look at them, they sent the disc back unopened.

I believe they put the lens on a reference body or rig and draw their own conclusions from the results from those results and that alone.

As for the OP, I did write a rather blunt reply early on in the thread but it got taken down, naughty me! The crux of it though was that these things are tools, they are not hermetically sealed pieces of jewelry. They get dust in them, they get scratches and they end up needing servicing, that is the nature of tools. They are not collectables and they are not precious, they demand to be used as the makers intended, regularly and without compromise, if you do that then you will not only get the best out of them, but you will get dust in them and scratches on them.

Privatebydesign,

Thank you for your responses, although I never did see the first post that was removed.

I always enjoy your "blunt[ness]" on the forum and your posts are very educational.

I fully appreciate and understand what you are saying, and I also agree with you to some extent. Debris in viewfinders is an inevitable issue, and one I fully expect to experience with the ownership of any camera; debris to the point of clouding up a viewfinder after two weeks of ownership is not an appropriate issue to experience for any customer of a new camera product, though. There's still crud in there, I'm dealing with it...and I most likely wouldn't have continued to go on about the issue in the first place had I not received the camera back with another issue which was more mechanical in nature and would/does affect the overall operation of the camera. The finger print was also the cherry on top or the icing on the cake.


Again, I don't feel like I'm being unreasonable or unrealistic about this.


And the thing is, you are absolutely right: cameras are meant to be used, and especially if they are part of the elite 1D line; they are built like tanks and are intended for the worst conditions one can realistically take a camera into. I fully intend on using mine for whatever situations I might encounter. I still, however, expect a certain level of quality control with regards to components and workmanship. Is that unreasonable?

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Roger Cicala of lensrentals has dealt with Canon repair a lot, as well as with other repair, for problems that lensrentals staff haven't yet learned to fix in house. He has a VERY SIMPLE SUGGESTION. If you go to the trouble of testing your lens with FoCal or with a home-brew test (even the "brick wall"), you need to send the test photos and the test methods that you used along with the lens, and a list of the defects that you found (eg. "lower left corner consistently soft, see photos #1,3,4..."). Load up your images and text on a $5 thumb drive labelled with your lens SN and your name, and ship it in the box with the lens.

For more details, see his lensrentals blog. But really, this is common sense, service personnel appreciate being shown the specifics of the user's issue with the product, and are likely to look harder when diagnosing the lens's problem - human nature. A lot of people return products with complaints of "it doesn't look sharp" but there may be unrealistic expectations or the product is defective under some conditions but not others, and it is hard to ID some problems in a quick inspection.


Hi Nancy,

Thank you for your time and response.

As per my original post, I did include a very detailed letter as well as a FoCal chart showing exactly what I was talking about with regards to the lens. I was very clear with what the lens was doing in my note, and the chart couldn't have been more plain.

As far as providing them with any further information goes, well I think it would have been a waste of time on my part had I done so. Both the technician and the telephone agent either ignored my note and chart entirely, or believed they knew better. When I spoke to the phone agent she indicated that my testing couldn't possibly be as thorough as their technician's and that sending the lens back would probably not result in anything being changed. How is that for service -- being told I'm wrong and essentially wasting there time after I just spent two grand on one their lenses?

The fact that my 1D X was sent back with an issue I specified (the focusing screen bracket latch), in both my letter and to a phone agent, uncorrected as well as with a finger print directly on the mirror says to me that their quality control standards are subpar, and that they aren't even listening to the customers in the first place.


I personally feel that none of the issues I have experienced in this thread are stemming from "unrealistic expectations." My 1D X had a severe particle problem with the pentaprism, which Canon acknowledged by swapping out the whole prism unit. From there the problem has persisted, as well as the latch for the focusing screen bracket not operating properly. Neither of those issues were made up in my mind. If it's unreasonable to expect a new product to operate as it should without problems right after purchase, so sue me because I don't accept that, especially when it costs close to $7000.

With the lens, I again don't feel like what I was after from Canon was "unrealistic." I observed a problem, tested it thoroughly with three different cameras, observed an issue with focusing and sent it in. I received it back in worse operating condition than it was in before. The only unrealistic thing about the situation was how Canon handled it.

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Getting satisfaction from repairs is a futile effort.

i have to disagree... completely.

canons repair service is the best service i ever had the pleasure to work with here in europe.

when your local service is that bad i agree that writing a letter to canon directly is maybe the best way to deal with it.


Lightmaster,

Thanks for the response. I'm glad to hear Canon gives excellent service elsewhere. I do believe they make good products, and it's nice to know they do back them up if necessary.

From my experience here in Canada, however, I can't say that either times I've needed a Canon Service Center to help me out I've been satisfied with what they've done.

Maybe my advice doesn't apply to you in your neck of the woods. If so, that's really great news and customers should have many more avenues available to them if they need help.

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Thanks for the response Stu_bert. It seems as if Canon operates differently in different areas. Unfortunately, my experience with Canon in Canada has been less than stellar. I'm glad elsewhere that people are getting good service though. Canon does, for the most part, make exceptional products.

I certainly wish we, in Canada, could talk to our technicians. It would solve so many headaches. Just being able to explain that it was the latch for the focusing screen bracket that was causing me grief and specifically telling him/her how to replicate the issue would make a world of difference. Information is always lost in translation when there are intermediaries.

I appreciate you taking the time to read the thread. I not here to bash Canon and their products (for the most part I'm quite satisfied with their stuff). I do feel it's important to let others know of bad experiences, however, and in this case it's what I'm doing. I personally feel the issues with both the lens and camera were handled poorly.



Canon does not let customers talk with their technicians, so that is no surprise.  The tech should have got your note though, something is wrong.

They do in the UK - I always get to talk to the technicians. I've even had a long discussion in their reception where there was definitely an incompatibility between the 600 MK II I had purchased (from Canada) and the 1DX - it never focused correctly at infinity but CPS could not find a problem. v2.0.3 of the firmware fixed it.

I agree with the advice to write to them formally, and I would be interested to hear if / how they reply.

For me, sharing experiences like this, especially using Focal to check lenses, is what makes Canon Rumors useful. I'm sorry for your problems, R1-7D, thank you for posting.

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I’m starting this thread to tell of my recent Canon Canada (Mississauga Service Center) experience with not only two of their top-of-the-line products, but with their customer service as well. I apologize for the length, but I'm trying to provide context to the story.

EF 24-70 f/2.8 II Story



How did the images look?  Did you do a lot of shooting or just rely on "FoCal"

I have used the FoCal software, am an owner and yup... I have used my 24-70 II for over a year, wanted to make sure with FoCal and gave me the same crap.  Remeasured based upon the guidance, re-did it and then came up with NO-ADJUSTMENT.

FoCal can be great.  It also can be a piece of crap.  I find this true on the WIDE side versus the Tele.  My 24-70 II is fine, though everytime I test it with FoCal I get different results... That tells me the software is crap.... May be solid for a lot of things, does not mean it does not have trouble at distances or with certain lenses.

Like I said to Mackguyver earlier in the thread, I didn't notice anything too out of the ordinary with the images themselves. I never did a brick wall test, however.

What I did notice was that the focusing on the left side of the frame was quite slow compared to the right; sometimes it still preferred to focus on the right even with contrasty subjects to the left of the frame. So I did feel something was amiss, and generally a decentered element can explain a phenomenon like that.

When I got my current copy of the lens, to me, at least, there felt like there was a noticeable difference in focusing speedy and accuracy. FoCal also, for this lens, gave me consistently good results on both my cameras, where as the first lens gave me consistently bad results on both cameras, as well as a friend's camera.

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Candyman,

Thank you for the response. I'm glad you recently had a good experience with Tamron. I feel that both Tamron and Sigma are extremely viable alternatives now; they are making outstandingly good performing products and offering excellent customer service to back them up too. Their repair turn-around times are phenomenal, and you don't even need to pay them extra for it; Canon, on the other hand, requires a membership and a $100 or $250 fee for decent turn-around times. Maybe I'm being unfair and it's because they have such a large volume of products to deal with in their centres, but I still feel they can do much better.


I just hope my advice helps some people. Honestly, don't be afraid to make returns on brand new purchases if they don't perform as expected.

As far as sending your gear in to Canon goes, my suggestion is this: wait until something goes really wrong, be very specific both in your required letter to the technician and on the phone to Canon's CPS agents, and then don't hesitate to send the equipment back if necessary. It's really the only thing you can do.

However, as you've pointed out, you mostly read horror stories online. A happy customer tells maybe 2-3 people of their experience. An unhappy one can tell up to 10X those numbers, especially if they are on the internet with an audience, which is understandable. So, there is still a good chance you'll get satisfaction when you need to send your stuff in. When you do, I wish you luck and a better experience than I had on both occasions; you might actually get what you're after. :)

I'll keep everyone posted on what else I do and what happens. To be perfectly honest, at this point I'm not expecting much more out of Canon unless I send the camera in again, which I opted not to do the last time even with them offering me a loaner. I'll write them a letter, but unless they plan on giving me a new camera, which I know they won't, I'm done for awhile sending my camera across the country for them to mess around with. If the letter gets a response I'll be sure to post it for everyone.



 


Sorry to hear what happened to your 24-70 and 1DX, and especially how Canon servicecenter dealt with it.
Thank you for sharing your experience here. Although I don't have to deal with the service center in Canada, you have given some good tips here that are valid for everybody.
I have spent a lot of money on my gear as well and I am not able to easily replace it. I would be stressed if there is an issue and understand your frustration. I once had an issue with my tamron 24-70vc. I had to sent it in. I was really stressed about how I would get it back. But they treated the lens very well and fixed the problem. Still, I am not looking forward to sent in any of my gear because of 'horror'stories (and I know, you mostly read the horror stories and seldom the good stories).
I hope that somehow they will treat you well and make your gear in order.
I would love to hear how they followed up your complaint and what solution they will offer you.
Good luck!

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Mackguyver,

Thank you for your thoughtful post, and no disrespect was taken at all. I appreciate you taking the time to read my, admittedly, very long post and responding.

That is interesting information about your 24-70 II and FoCal giving you a crazy curve. I did notice some autofocus lag on my original copy on one side (the left) of the frame. However, the photos still looked good. Maybe you’re right and it was just a glitch in the software? FoCal isn’t always as reliable as it should be… On my current lens copy, however, I have a very linear curve, and at the time I did test it with the same software version of FoCal I used previously. At this point, I guess I will never know for sure; I was worried enough by the bad curve and slower AF that, to me, it warranted sending it in…which is where my troubles with Canon Canada started. I do remember being a bit surprised at the difference in AF speed lock ons with the new copy, though. I suspect that with your copy it’s indeed FoCal glitching out if you’ve not noticed any photo quality loss or AF performance impact.

If you’re running more tests on your lens I am happy to send you copies of my charts for comparison, if you’re interested?



From my online reading and research it seems that specks appearing in the viewfinder is normal for the 1D X — maybe it has something to do with the interchangeable focusing screens? I still maintain that the amount that was in my original pentaprism was far beyond normal and was some sort of defect, especially since the camera was so new. Before I first sent the 1D X in I sat and was actually able to count upwards of 60 different particles after a day’s shooting, and it was just getting worse and worse with every shutter actuation.

Reading others’ posts on various forums, debris that can’t be blown out is in either two places: between the super-imposed plate and the bottom of the prism, or inside the prism itself. Dust in the former area is by far the most common and can be cleaned with disassembly of the camera. Debris in the pentaprism calls for a replacement, which runs at $800 (not including CPS Gold or Platinum membership discounts).

If and when you eventually send your camera in for a cleaning, if you wouldn’t mind, please let me know what they tell you or do?




Anyways, your approach I think is the right one: I shouldn’t let it cause me grief at this point. Everything is certainly better than it initially was. I still want to, and probably will, write a letter to Canon, though. In my opinion it’s still important to give feedback. I’ll give CR Guy a holler to see if he has any suggestions as well. But the main thing is to just enjoy this camera now.

I also just want to say that most of my Canon products are bullet proof. My 70-200 II, my most used lens, is a bloody tank. Same goes for my other cameras and L glass too. With the 1D X and 24-70 it’s just a shame because of the added expense of those products; they are top-tier and their price reflect that, so it stings a bit more when there are problems.

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences and have actually had both happen to me.  I don't mean any disrespect, when I say this, but neither issue has caused me enough grief to do anything about them.  I'm not trying to belittle your issues as I'm sure your problems are more severe, or you wouldn't have sent them in for service.  Those turnaround times are terrible and I would be beyond frustrated if I were you.

FoCal shows a crazy curve with my 24-70 II, but I have never seen any issues in actual photos, so I think it's either a glitch with the software or my testing or both.  Or maybe FoCal is right, but again, the photos from the lens are razor sharp so I'm not too worried about it.  What were you seeing in your photos?  I'll take a closer look at my lens now that you've mentioned this issue.

With my 1D X, I have noticed small black specks in my VF, and I tried to blow them out with no luck.  They aren't really bothering me enough to do anything about them.  I was planning to have CPS give it a once over during a Clean & Check, but haven't sent it in for that, yet.  Your information is interesting, however, and I'll be curious to see how they handle it.  They totally botched a 5DII VF cleaning a few years back and I had to send it back, so hopefully I'll have better luck this time.

Again, I'm very sorry to hear about your issues and wish you better luck in the future.

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CR guy sends a lot of equipment there for repair.  He's probably pretty busy, but drop him a e-mail and see if he has any contacts who would help.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll do that.

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Here in the U.S., if they make three attempts to fix the same issue and it still doesn't work, they're obligated to replace the entire product.  I don't know if Canada has any similar laws, but it might be worth looking into.  :)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will have to look into what laws protect consumers in Canada. The problem is, however, that Canon considers debris within the viewfinder and pentaprism cosmetic, and they don't normally cover it under the warranty. They would simply make the case that it's not their problem, despite having already replaced the pentaprism.

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