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The system I built for myself is an i5-based quad core.  It does everything I need it to do in Lightroom 4.3 and Photoshop/Premiere Elements 11.  I have done a few basic video edits, but mostly stills.  Not doing too many complicated things, but I have noticed most PSE processes, with a few exceptions are single threaded.

CPU)  3570k overclocked on air to 4.3Ghz.  aftermarket air cooler, but it isn't anything spectacular (used CPU didn't come with heatsink), although probably is slightly beefier and fan is slightly more robust than the stock unit.  I run the fan at 35% under normal conditions, which is just barely audible if you really try, and target temp at 70-deg C.  Fan rarely kicks up, usually only when I am making sharpening/NR or other real-time slider adjustments.  The chasis is semi open-air (gaming case) and I probably hear the GPU fan more often.

Disks)  my boot/OS/app drive is a newer SanDisk Extreme, which gets close to 500MB/sec r/w speeds (real word speeds).  Apps are here, LR catalog is here, scratch is here (probably shouldn't be since it may be decreasing the life of the drive, will probably move to a striped HDD RAID-0 config).  Original pic files (jpg mostly/ some raw) are on mirrored (RAID-1) slow-speed drive pair (75MB/sec), but seems to not hold me back too badly.  I may change this to a RAID-5 at some point, but so far don't have the need.

RAM)  considered going 32GB originally, but only bought 16GB (2x8GB) of PC3-1600 and it seems to be enough.  if I have EVERYTHING I possibly can open (LR, PSE with 5 open projects, dozens of browser tabs with flash and java apps, XP-Mode VPC, video capture app, etc, etc)  I get to 70% used.

Power consuption)  idle, the system (using integrated video and single drive config), draws 25-30w.  another 20w for the add-on GPU. a few watts per platter-based hard drive.  No real heat comes off it anywhere, but may be largely because of the already good airflow the gaming case provides.

Like I said, it is handling everything I need to do very nicely.  Big upgrade from my 4yr-old Core2Duo system.  All-in cost, for the case, CPU, RAM, SSD, INCLUDING reused GPU/PSU, but NOT counting reused extra HDDs, was right around $550. 

You can spend the extra $100-125 on a 3770k, but I'd recommend only maybe if you are doing a lot of video encoding that can take advantage of the 4 extra threads.  Also, I know a lot of people like to spend oodles of extras on the latest and greatest fan/water coolers and other gadgets, but when the equipment is rated to run hotter, why not let it, and keep your $$$/performance lower?

Thanks really practical advice and glad to hear your system run lightroom frustrated at the the moment.  :D ;)

Lots to think about

Thanks everyone for the advice  :D ;D

Unfortunately this laptop looks nice does not allow upgrade of ram (similar to mac book air). So appears i will have to bit the bullet and go for new system.

Seems to me the key for lightroom system

1) Ram as much as possible
2) processor i7 best that can support lots of ram

Did not know anything about ram disk so have read up. seems interesting if have lots of ram. also came accross this has anyone had any experience with supercache? Seems to be similar to ram disk but mirrors rather than load everything.

Again thanks everyone for your help

I think that supercache is very similar to SSD caching, only using a RAM Disk instead of SSD. This way you are letting the system itself to decide which data needs to be cached. I don't trust the machine :), so I prefer to manage it myself. I tried 5-6 different RAM Disk softwares and decided to go with Primo Ramdisk, because it seems to be the most stable and simple to use (and one of the faster ones). My system is running 24/7 without reboot for many months and I would lose all the data on RAM Disk if the system crashes. It never happened, but I'm using copies nonetheless.
My system:
i7-3770K - because I'm running it 24/7 and it is more power efficient (google Virtu MVP)
GTX 670 - CUDA cores + I like games too
Sabertooth Z77 - just because :)
32GB 1600MHz (4x8GB) RAM
Vertex 4 SSD
10TB external storage

Thanks for the tip my machine currently runs 24/7 so will follow your recomendations, i will also check primo ramdisk

There are a few more aspects to consider:

Fan noise:
The perfect Light room PC (as I tried to build one by myself) is usually also used as an Internet PC, as a gaming PC etc.. depending on the demand in your family. Working though a pile of let us say 100 pieces of 60d Raws turned out to be a pain as the cooling settings I had foreseen did not fit to working quietly on a blog and the noise onslaught the PC presented when the processor load was multiplied by Light room. Especially the fact that the different cooling fans (CPU + Graphics card +Chassis) shifted their RPMs quiet often was annoying. So if you can influence it go for a chassis with fans as huge and slow turning as possible (250 mm). While there are plenty of Software/Bios/UEFI solutions to control the fans inside your computer it makes life a little complicated to find the right balance. In my PC I have all internal coolers on auto mode bound to a temperature threshold but the 250mm main chassis cooler has from factory a 3 stop manual cooler. I use this cooler on low for all my standard non heat intensive sessions and switch it to medium for Light room/Panorama/HDR sessions. Higher noise level but now the PC needs almost an hour of heavy load before the internal heat sources heat the inside of the PC so far that they start to influence each other. The fan noise in this configuration does not change pitch and is less of a distraction.

Disk Space:
Consider add-ons and plug-ins in regard to disk space. I once was careless enough to batch the NIK noise reduction software out of Light room to denoise 200 Gig of 60d Rows. That is 1 Terra of additional Gifs you add to your system and todays green HDs are behaving not so green anymore once they have a constant write access for hours (Hot hard disks heat up a small chassis quiet remarkably). If you system is designed to hold a mix of HDs (mine has a 256 Gig SMD for Windows and Light room + 2x2 Terra conventional HDs for Photos and Backup) you should pay attention to the RPMs. High-end fast spinning and reliable HDs are usually server HDs (not optimized to be silent). They whine at a high frequency and if there is more than one you might discover that their nuances in RPM deliver a resonating combined frequency. Talking about Terras of disk space might sound fast fetched but with canons new models waiting to be announced and 4K ante portas....

Graphic Card:
AMD and NVidia have different models to offer their calculating power to light room. Some Plug-ins for Light room crash when they do not like your card. This can be circumvented by not allowing the Plug-in to use graphic card resources but that leaves you with a slow system and requires some knowledge to be applied if the plug -in is not even starting.

In the IT world there is the law: all non backuped Data is by definition unimportant Data. I'm a little paranoid with that. I backup one HD in my PC onto another. If a thief steals my camera, that is a loss of money. If a thief steals my PC that is a lifetime of memory gone. So I backup onto an external drive. This drive has to be as far away from your PC as risks connect to it. Consider what network speeds, connectors like E-sata etc... your Workstation should have. If you decide for a NAS: verify if your mainboard can keep up the magic 3x3 formula that is running SATA3 (Disks) PCIX3 (Graphics) and Gigabit Ethernet at the same time without putting load on the CPU. I have seen powerful multicore systems being rendered useless for hours because the backup process supposed to run in the background used up 70% of CPU resources due to the mainboard not being able to handle the Datastreams.

Thanks for the conphensive post really helpful

Fan noise is some to consider particularly if i go self build vs. imac. I was thinking with watercooling cheaper now and easier to install that this may be the way to go. For the hard disks i was thinking two ssd drives one OS and one for pictures. This should also reduce heat and noise. Now I have been introduced to Ram disk i think i will investigate this option aswell.

In terms of disk space my workflow is i pull pictures into lightroom then achive out via gigabit ethernet to 6 bay Nas that is in raid 5, key photos  i sync to cloud. This is covers my disk space needs.

I will read up on graphics cards and plugin with lightroom any recomendations of preference? I have previously prefered nivida for video encoding.

Thanks for the watch out on backin up i will check this ou,

Again thanks for the post  :D

Thanks everyone for the advice  :D ;D

Unfortunately this laptop looks nice does not allow upgrade of ram (similar to mac book air). So appears i will have to bit the bullet and go for new system.

Seems to me the key for lightroom system

1) Ram as much as possible
2) processor i7 best that can support lots of ram

Did not know anything about ram disk so have read up. seems interesting if have lots of ram. also came accross this has anyone had any experience with supercache? Seems to be similar to ram disk but mirrors rather than load everything.

Again thanks everyone for your help

Wow that is a huge difference thanks for your help

Hi all,

I keenly read the imac post and would love to get your thoughts on the route to go for a mainly lightroom machine, with a little photoshop and home video editing.

Currently i have asus ux31 laptop that i have been using for the above but lightroom is so slow the specs are:-

1.7GHz Core i5-2557M processor, 4GB of RAM 256gb solid-state drive.

I have read that i need more 16gb+ ram and two harddrives 1) os 2) cache.

The wife likes the idea of a imac 3.4ghz as less wires and looks cool. This will be expensive to spec up and only has one hard drive although could have a 2nd via thunderbold port. I would have to run windows as cant get my head round mac os so all up looking at about $4000.

I am leaning to spend less on a pc machine. However i would like it to be near silent (probably water cooled) and with a nice looking high res monitor 27" to satisfy the wife that it looks nice.

I don't mind spending the money if i will see a dramatic improvement in lightroom, but the last thing i want to do is spend the money on either system and have similar speeds i am experiencing,

Would love to get your thoughts and many thanks in advance.

Lenses / Re: Photozone's review of the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II is up
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:27:09 AM »
Guys any advice on best way to test the lens?

Or would Reikan FoCal or SpyderLENSCAL be enough?

I have both and they take alot of time and it is quite tricky to do

Lenses / Re: Post your 24-70 II Experiences Here
« on: September 08, 2012, 02:50:27 AM »
Wow got my 24-70mkii on Thursday in Singapore, shop only received two copies so those months of wait were well worth it.

It is much sharper than my current 24-70 miki

I feel that it is as good as my 70-200 and sharper than my 50L 2.8 vs 2.8

But the thing that blow me away is wow quickly it focuses on my 5dmkiii zero hesitation it feels instant. I found myself pressing the button twice as it focuses so quick!

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8L II Has Made its Way To Retailers
« on: September 06, 2012, 03:08:03 AM »
WOW looks amazing ! !

just got a call from my camera shop arrived here is Singapore with limited supply going to collect tonight

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