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I have the 6D. I have been debating on whether to get the Canon 24-105, the Sigma 24-105, the Canon 24-70 f/4 IS, the Canon 24-70 f/2.8 II no-IS, or just putz about with the manual focus, manual aperture legacy prime lenses for a while longer.

I purchased a reconditioned Canon 24-105 f/4 for use with my 7D.  I was never impressed by the images I got despite careful AF micro adjustment.  In short, the images were typically soft and limited me to only very light cropping, even when I went to the extreme of using a tripod and mirror-lockup. I was seriously considering selling the lens and replacing it with one or two primes since 7D plus primes produced nice results for me.  Then I got a 6D body and everything changed!  No AF micro adjustment required for the 24-105 on the 6D and the images were GREAT!  I am now very happy with the 24-105 and use it frequently...but only with the 6D.  Just my own experience...can't explain why the same lens produces such different results on two bodies...but I'm sure lots of forum experts have an opinion.   :D

Because one was an 18 megapixel crop sensor with quite a strong AA filter and a propensity for noise and the other was a full frame 20 megapixel (much newer too) sensor camera that delivers exception IQ even at high ISOs.

Apple and oranges.

EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 22, 2014, 09:27:54 PM »
Does make you wonder though, if these end up being the final specs, why didn't they bang out a 7D replacement right after the 70D was announced? Why did we have to wait (still waiting) for a 2fps bump from the previous model and what seems like the exact same sensor from the 70D? There is nothing groundbreaking here, which is prob the reason a lot of people are feeling a bit peeved. It's the lowest end of what we expected. The bare minimum. Still, it'll more than likely be an awesome camera for sports and wildlife.

But will it still be awesome in 5 years time??  ???

Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 22, 2014, 11:00:53 AM »
So what needs fixing?

* distortion at the wide end  - use the 16-35 f/4L
* softness at the long end - use the 70-300L
* lack of IQ in the middle - 24-70 f/4

So instead of fixing the 24-105 and making it better, Canon effectively encourage you to sell it and buy three other lenses instead, resulting in a net of two new lens sales to replace one lens.

And given that Sigma failed to deliver a substantially better lens with a bigger construction, what motivation is there for Canon to fix the current model?

*distortion at the wide end: think of it as a 28-105 and you won't go far wrong
*softness at the long end: improve your technique
*lack of IQ in the middle: give up photography and take up embroidery.

Too right the things solid in the middle. Even 24mm works out quite good. I recently compared it to my 17-40L and it was sharper at all overlapping focal lengths. Not too shabby.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 22, 2014, 02:02:15 AM »
I've had mine just under a year and it's easily my most used lens. I didn't have a high expectation at first but comparing it to my other lenses it does well. It's great for walkabouts, travel and events. Little bit soft on the tele end and f/4 which is understandable. I don't think this lens needs a refresh. Sigma's offering kind of proves that in a way (Sigma's is bigger and heavier and didn't really create the demand some expected). To improve upon it would mean a higher cost that frankly could go towards a prime lens instead. As a kit lens it ticks all the right boxes. I see it as something to build upon and you should have some other lenses to compliment it on FF anyway. If you need sharper or faster there's the excellent 24-70LII.

I don't think the 24-70 f/L4 IS was meant to replace it. Seems both can exist side by side. The 24-70/4 will appeal to different photogs who likely shoot more landscape and nature stuff. As a travel lens I much prefer the 24-105.

Canon General / Re: CPN Interviews the Men Behind the EOS-1 Series SLRs
« on: August 21, 2014, 10:03:21 PM »
He actually says that the AL-1 size is his favorite.

"CPN: Is there an optimum size for a camera when it is designed bearing in mind the differing size of peoples’ hands?

YS: “There is no ‘better too big than too small’ proverb in the camera world. This is my own personal opinion, but I believe that the best results come from people with comparatively small hands designing for people with larger hands. I believe that the optimum size among Canon cameras is the AL-1.”

I can live with that size, but the grip looks awful.

The guy is is old school and he prob likes that camera the best. For me the optimal size and grip is the 7D / 5D3. Both are very comfortable in the hand. Lighter would be welcome though as many here agree.

There was also a hint about moving towards optimized functionality. Does that mean a separation of video and stills I wonder?

Here the quote - "However, just as with the advent of new categories such as the Cinema EOS [system] that comes from DSLRs, there is currently a trend toward advancing to optimal equipment.”

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« on: August 21, 2014, 10:21:59 AM »
i have the rokinon 8mm f2.8 for EF-M it is awesome

i also have the samyang 8mm f3.5 EF-S which i used before via the adapter on the M it was also good but the EF-M mount makes it so much smaller. Looking forward to see if they do any more interesting stuff in native EF-M mount
Based on that, I'd rather get a $99 f1.8 Nifty Fifty plus a $99 EOS-M adapter; same size, autofocus, less $$.

The nifty already auto-focuses slower than a week in jail, adding an adaptor to the mix certainly wont help! Might as well have an optimized 50mm manual focus lens on the M and this Samsung offering would be just that.

EOS-M / Re: Image stabilization and touch shutter Q
« on: August 21, 2014, 03:08:05 AM »
Thanks guys, I wonder if the IS is always on even when you're composing the shot or just right before the shot is taken.

I'm at work just now but I'll have a play about with it later and try and find out!

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Samyang Teases New Lenses
« on: August 21, 2014, 01:43:51 AM »
i have the rokinon 8mm f2.8 for EF-M it is awesome

i also have the samyang 8mm f3.5 EF-S which i used before via the adapter on the M it was also good but the EF-M mount makes it so much smaller. Looking forward to see if they do any more interesting stuff in native EF-M mount

Glad to hear that it's next on my wish list!  :D

EOS-M / Image stabilization and touch shutter Q
« on: August 20, 2014, 02:23:40 AM »
Hey guys I wonder if anyone can answer a quick question for me?

With touch shutter enabled, does it activate the image stabilization when I touch the screen to take a shot (assuming I'm using the 18-55mm or 11-22mm lenses) or is the IS only activated through half press of the shutter?

Can't seem to find anything in the manual.

Thanks in advance and apologies if this has already been covered before.

Canon EF-S and EF-M Lenses / Re: Canon EF-M 11-22mm f4-5.6 IS STM
« on: August 19, 2014, 10:35:13 PM »
Dear friend, Mr. Zv
Thanks for Great Pictures that show  that Lens can be a great lens if in The Great Photographer's hands  like you.
 I already have Rokinon  for EOS-M 12 mm.  F = 2.0, And  Tamron 11-17 MM ( For EF Lens +  EF to EF-M convertor) + FE-M 22 mm and EF-M 18-55 mm.----
What do you think, I should buy EF-M 11-22 mm = $ 499 US Dollars ?

Hey Surapon, thanks for the compliments! I wouldn't class myself as "great" lol! Still learning a lot about photography!

I haven't used the Rokinon 12mm so I can't directly compare or comment but the 11-22mm is a real cracking lens for the money. This is what I found -

At 11mm it shows the usual amount of vignetting (not an issue as you know easily fixed). I would say it's a tiny bit softer at this focal length than others but overall the image is consistent and corners look good. More than acceptable and comparable to the 17-40L. Distortion seems quite low too and even without a lens profile corrrection it seems fine.

The colors look nice and vibrant with only a little addition in post to make them look good. The IS though is the real winner for me. You can handhold this at 11mm for 1s and get a reasonably sharp shot. That means for 99% of what I do I no longer need a tripod. Evening, sunset and blue hour shots are much easier now!

The build quality is superb, bit like the 18-55 EF-M. Doesn't come with a hood but I recommend getting it as the front element is almost flush with the filter thread and exposed. I almost bumped it and scraped it so after that I always keep the hood on!

The lens has a switch to make it more compact. It's nice but slows down shooting as you can't take pics until you unlock it. It's better to keep it unlocked tbh. But for storage it's a nice feature to have.

The lens feels well balanced on the body and together they make an awesome combo. Shooting all day is a pleasure! AF is perhaps quicker than the 22mm lens but I need to test that to be sure. I'm using BBF using the star key at the back these days. Works well.

The sweet spot seems to be somewhere around 12-17mm @ f5.6 - f8 which is my usual shooting settings. The lens doubles up as a walkaround when used at 22mm, which means less lens swicthing. However at f/5.6 you start to crave the wide apertures of the pancake for bokehliciousness!

I got mine in Japan for under $400 (¥38,000) btw so for me (UWA nutter that I am) it was a no brainer! Best bang for buck lens I have I reckon! Just for scouting possible wide angle shots it's useful. I can easily shoot multiple locations in fading light and then get an idea of what would work best and then go back and shoot with FF if I wanted at a later date. However the quality is good enough that I was happy with the test shots alone!

I'm seriously thinking of selling my 17-40L now but might hang on to it for a while as I have no money to upgrade to the 16-35 f/4L IS.

If Canon made a small EF M 50mm prime my EOS M set would be complete. I'm "making do" with a pretty darn good FD 50mm 1.4 ssc and adpater which does a great job but I miss the AF at this focal length. Considering buying the 18-55 just for 50mm and AF but the f/5.6 puts me off after seeing what f1.4 looks like! Bokeh!!!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon mirrorless: Status?
« on: August 18, 2014, 08:14:50 PM »
I've had my M for over a year. I originally bought it as a novelty / occasional use camera and partly to see what the mirrorless fuss was all about. I recently took it to Seoul as well as my 5D2. To my surprise I ended up using the M a lot more than the DSLR simply because hauling a backpack all day long got quite painful. Maybe I'm out of shape but it's a vacation damn it and I don't need or want a workout. The M was a blessing and together with the 11-22mm lens it pretty much covered what I wanted to shoot.

Point is I love DSLRs but I'm starting to think a small compact mirrorless makes a heck of a lot more sense for holidays and general use. Which is what a lot of people will want a camera for. I love the M as it is, even with its flaws I can work around and its still an enjoyable experience. All Canon need to do IMO really is improve upon it slightly and support the system to make it even better. Seriously, that 11-22mm lens is amazing! I highly recommend any wide angle fans to give a go! To have an image stabilized ultra wide zoom on a APS-C sensor / camera the size of your fist is incredible! Why is this not more popular??

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Need a bit of advice on flash triggers
« on: August 11, 2014, 03:14:51 AM »
If you can't afford the ST-E3 right now then go for the YN-622. Having a trigger is better than none, right? If it works - great, if not - refund.

I have almost all Yongnuo flash and triggers. No issues so far. I had pixel kings but there were a few misfires. Even then I'd say more than acceptable. Unless you're career depends on getting the shot a few failures aren't a big deal. The key is to have a back up plan. For me that back up is optical slave mode on the YN-560iii.

Canon General / Re: What is your Least Used Piece of Gear?
« on: August 09, 2014, 10:54:46 AM »
Hi Mackguyver.
First since when has a Porsche been nothing fancy?   :o
Second don't buy a jeep, rentals go anywhere!

Cheers Graham.

The worst so far was when I brought home my current car which was a somewhat extravagant purchase.  I ended up saying it was her birthday present knowing full well that she'd never drive it.  She was all excited but as I thought - a few days of dealing with two seats, limited trunk space, and really harsh suspension took care of her desire to drive the car.  It's been my 'daily driver' ever since ;D

Don't keep us in suspense ... what did you buy?
A Porsche, but nothing fancy compared to other members of this forum.  I told my wife I was going to buy something sensible this time around like a Honda Accord or something...but I love cars 8)

I'd have to put my gut in the passenger seat effectively making the car a 1 seater..
LOL and not the most suitable car for outdoor photography with it's 4 inch ground clearance :o.  I keep saying I'm going to buy an old beat up Jeep or something as a third car so I can get to the places I'd really like to shoot that don't have paved roads.
Graham, there's nothing humble about a Porsche of course, but my model is not in the same league as some our other members who own Ferraris and 911 Turbos

Ya'll can't compare with my one seater mama chari bicycle now. Comes complete with a broken basket, squeaky brakes that barely work and a removable seat (read; broken seat). With a range of 5 km (or as long as my arse can handle) puts your Porsche to shame.

Disclaimer - perhaps some beers were consumed before writing this post!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Fun Arias rant on APS-C vs. FF
« on: August 09, 2014, 10:38:33 AM »

Is this more than a disagreement about what "very little" means (or, put differently, about whether the differences you see matter)?  dtaylor doesn't say they look the same, after all....

He implied the difference is not noticeable to which we responded (based on actually having owned a 7D and 5D) that we disagree. That is all we are stating. Neither person is wrong as we are simply stating opinions. What others choose to do with that info is their business.

Note this is based on the 7D. Modern day APS-C cameras with Sonikon sensors is a different debate. Perhaps in those cases the difference is less. I'm sure someone with both could comment.

Well, I have both (Canon 5DIII, 6D & SL1, and Sony a7r & a6000) and can certainly see differences between FF and APSC (and between the 5DIII and 6D, for that matter), both within and between camps.  I've not done anything resembling scientific testing, but I get the impression that the differences are similar (though at least for low ISO noise the Sony camp wins because their APS-C and FF sensors both have less noise at low ISOs and better DR). 

I've never used a 7D, though that doesn't really affect the point I was trying to make with my comment above, which is merely that whether something is noticeable, whether a difference is negligible, depends on who's looking, how and why, so that some of this evident disagreement may be in some sense spurious.  You could sit two people, A and B, side-by-side in front of the same photograph and A could say to B "they look the same to me", B could respond "but what about (say) this patch of noise here?" and A could in turn respond "Oh, OK, I see that now that you point it out, but it's not the sort of thing I notice because for me it's an unimportant element in how a photo looks".  (I've actually done something like this myself.)  But if A were instead to respond to B "no, I don't see it at all," that could mean that A or B needs new glasses....

Yes OK that makes sense. I see what you're getting at. Two people can see the same thing differently.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Fun Arias rant on APS-C vs. FF
« on: August 07, 2014, 11:05:13 AM »
+1. My 7D was worse on ISO 640 and above than my 5Dc is at ISO 1600. I haven't done any comparisons, but I think my 50D might be cleaner in high ISOs than my 7D.

Yeah it's perplexing. The 50D may be as noisy as the 7D, but it lacks the waxy AA filter that just smears details on the 7D. It's the combination of inconsistent focus (burst mode in AI Servo and/or AF single point even on static subjects), drab colors, low ISO blue channel noise, and thick AA filter that made the 7D the worst IQ of any Canon DSLR I've owned.

I've never had a complaint or trouble with any of them until that body. Too bad, because it feels great in the hand and sports an amazing build.

Even the 70D I own is a considerable upgrade in IQ, especially in color and sharpness with the same set of lenses.

Yup, sounds about right.

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