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Canon General / Re: DxOMark vs. Reality

« on: October 10, 2012, 01:33:57 AM »

See how empty this is.

Lets look at the top side of the line up. This will take it from talking about 1 lens to 10.
Hop over to TDP's ISO charts  and compare any of the big supertele primes 200mm or up, version I or version II.
If you find a Nikon that outperforms any of its Canon's matches old version or new let me know. I haven't compared one yet that did.
A point to consider, the Nikon lenses ISO on the site were shot with the "superior" Nikon sensor.

Sure you can point out, the Canon lenses cost more. Canon knows there long lenses are better, they demand a premium and people pay it.

Which direction should we go next, I am sure there is a Nikon nugget somewhere. But, I know there are good lenses made for Nikon cameras. Just look up Zeiss.
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Oh I'm sorry, you just needed to clarify that this was about large teles (take a look at the results for the nikkor new 200-400 or new 200 f2 before talking out of your ass). That I didn't test and I don't need, but I'm happy to admit canon has the better big teles altought they don't "blow out of the water" nikkor teles like you're trying to say. I know the reputation of canon is really high regarding lenses over 4000$ and maybe it's where it counts for you, but not for me...

Not sure if trolling at this point, but go take a look at your precious charts for the 1.4 primes, the 24-70s, the 70-200s the new 1.8 primes, the 14mms; the lenses that matter to a lot of photographers too... The only thing I'm trying to do here is just stopping bullshit that come out of places like these where people just try to comfort thereself with their gear by saying other brands are crap; nikon has several lenses that are as good or better than Canons and vice-versa, deal with it.

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Canon General / Re: DxOMark vs. Reality

« on: October 09, 2012, 09:28:55 PM »

Neuro your post could have been sumed up in just a few words.

"Canon Glass Rules"

We can debate the sensors of the day and in a few months the conversation will change, but in 8 years we will still be debating the same glass. Maybe in those 8 years Nikon will come up with some glass worthy of a debate.

Seriously? Their 24-70 is really great, way better than the mk1 was. Their 1.4 primes are about as good as the canons are (the canon 24 is excellent tough). Both 70-200 are great. Nikon recently came out with 3 new 1.8g lenses that are awesome and affordable... We're still not talking about the 14-24 or the ridiculous amount of old F mount lenses (e.g the 135 DC or the 55 micro) that are still awesome pieces of glass. Yes Canon also has great glass and some lenses that don't have good nikon counteparts, but nikon is not out of the game in that regard.

I'm really having a problem seeing where the nikon glass is unworthy outside of a fanboy perspective.

Thats funny, lets go back to talking about sensors. That way the Nikonians can particapate in the conversation.

Nice to see you're open minded and bringing proof to the conversation; you don't seem to be a mindless Canonian at all.

Just sayin': I'm the proud owner of a 7d and macro 100L wich I loove, I tried several canon primes and L zooms and most of them were great, but I also compared to equivalents in nikon and their glass has nothing to be ashamed of. It's really cute to see some of you guys acting like canon glass is like an affordable leica kind of thing, but it's not and nikon is serious competition in that matter (at least for what I tested MYSELF and any review site you'll find that compare both).

It doesn't take long to see where Nikon is lacking. Just consult the ISO charts. There are sites that give you the side by side. No Lecia comparison, just side by side Nikon vs Canon.
Case in point, 6D vs the D600. Comparable offerings right?
Compare the kit lenses that will be offered with both cameras. Nikon gives you a better sensor, Canon does it with better glass. In three years the bodies are old news, obsolete by gear head standards. At that point who is ahead, Canon or Nikon? It seems the sensor race goes back and forth. Good Glass is Good Glass no matter which sensor is better.

Still dodging proofs and bringing empty assumptions. You're talking about ONE example and it's a kit lens, the 24-105 is great and probably (didn't test it myself) better than the 24-85 (wich is no slouch either at half the price....). But I tought we were talking about the lens lineup in general, not specific cases. And it's possible with both brands to have a really nice lens lineup if you invest in glass instead of bodies and both brands will offer great bodies when the times comes to upgrade...

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Canon General / Re: DxOMark vs. Reality

« on: October 09, 2012, 02:46:46 PM »

Neuro your post could have been sumed up in just a few words.

"Canon Glass Rules"

We can debate the sensors of the day and in a few months the conversation will change, but in 8 years we will still be debating the same glass. Maybe in those 8 years Nikon will come up with some glass worthy of a debate.

Seriously? Their 24-70 is really great, way better than the mk1 was. Their 1.4 primes are about as good as the canons are (the canon 24 is excellent tough). Both 70-200 are great. Nikon recently came out with 3 new 1.8g lenses that are awesome and affordable... We're still not talking about the 14-24 or the ridiculous amount of old F mount lenses (e.g the 135 DC or the 55 micro) that are still awesome pieces of glass. Yes Canon also has great glass and some lenses that don't have good nikon counteparts, but nikon is not out of the game in that regard.

I'm really having a problem seeing where the nikon glass is unworthy outside of a fanboy perspective.

Thats funny, lets go back to talking about sensors. That way the Nikonians can particapate in the conversation.

Nice to see you're open minded and bringing proof to the conversation; you don't seem to be a mindless Canonian at all.

Just sayin': I'm the proud owner of a 7d and macro 100L wich I loove, I tried several canon primes and L zooms and most of them were great, but I also compared to equivalents in nikon and their glass has nothing to be ashamed of. It's really cute to see some of you guys acting like canon glass is like an affordable leica kind of thing, but it's not and nikon is serious competition in that matter (at least for what I tested MYSELF and any review site you'll find that compare both).

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Canon General / Re: DxOMark vs. Reality

« on: October 09, 2012, 01:57:43 PM »

Neuro your post could have been sumed up in just a few words.

"Canon Glass Rules"

We can debate the sensors of the day and in a few months the conversation will change, but in 8 years we will still be debating the same glass. Maybe in those 8 years Nikon will come up with some glass worthy of a debate.

Seriously? Their 24-70 is really great, way better than the mk1 was. Their 1.4 primes are about as good as the canons are (the canon 24 is excellent tough). Both 70-200 are great. Nikon recently came out with 3 new 1.8g lenses that are awesome and affordable... We're still not talking about the 14-24 or the ridiculous amount of old F mount lenses (e.g the 135 DC or the 55 micro) that are still awesome pieces of glass. Yes Canon also has great glass and some lenses that don't have good nikon counteparts, but nikon is not out of the game in that regard.

I'm really having a problem seeing where the nikon glass is unworthy outside of a fanboy perspective.