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I wouldn't be surprised, they've sold a TON of the SL-1s, but the original M was a bust here and pretty much everywhere except Asia.  What would sell MUCH better here in the US would be 2 more prime pancakes, perhaps a 24mm, 20mm or 35mm to sell alongside the SL-1.  Give me that SL-1 DSLR feature set and smaller EF mounts any day over purchasing an entirely separate system and lenses.

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Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 40 f/2.8 STM
« on: February 17, 2013, 07:51:18 AM »
Because of the 40/2.8 I have decided to not get the 35/1.4 II anymore.

You might want to rethink that.  That's kinda like saying because of STM in the T4i, I don't need that 1Dx anymore.

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Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 40 f/2.8 STM
« on: February 17, 2013, 07:47:51 AM »
Discuss the review of the Canon EF 40 f/2.8 STM here.


The review is spot on except it forgets to mention one thing; for the target audience it is intended for; the 40mm f/2.8 costs twice as much as the faster, sharper, and far more consistent 50mm f/1.8 II "Nifty Fifty".  I bought the pancake for a light street kid on a 7D or 5D body.  I returned it two days later even though I had another few weeks before the 30 day return policy expired.  I new at onset it was "ok" but that the $99 50 f/1.8 II was far more consistent and lighter.  I just don't get why you'd pay twice as much for the slower 40mm.

Video AF?  Really?  If you want AF in video buy a camcorder, they do a much better job in AF.  The STM only works with the T4i and there is a reason they didn't incorporate that into the 5D3, 6D, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 09:13:02 PM »
I find the articulating screen on the 60D very usefull and at one point I would have argued that any sucessor to the 7D should have one. My 60D has seen rugged use and no problems with the articulated screen and once you get used to it it is hard to imagine a camera without it.....

That said, times change and technology marches on. Wifi makes a smart phone into a WAY better articulated screen.... Look at the GoPro cameras.... you can do anything on your phone that you can do on the camera. How long will it be before smart phones or tablets become the ultimate remote control for high end DSLR's... the technology is already in use on lower end cameras.... it is tested and it works.

Now I would like to see a 7DII with Wifi.. this is tethered shooting without the tether... Set the camera up near a nest, and from a reasonable distance you can take those baby bird pictures.... put the camera on a telescope and not have to lie in the snow to see what's happening... and studio shooting with quick access to just about every setting....

If I can do this on a $400 camera, which also shoots 4K video, (take that 1D-C), it can be done on a $2000+ camera.

The 60D isn't sealed though like the magnesium alloy xD bodies.  That is the biggest hurdle to overcome with an articulating screen in any sealed body...i.e. how do you maintain a water/pressure resistant housing with an articulating screen that is going to have a hinge(s) in any design scenario.  I think most pros would say, "yeah, kinda cool in certain situations...but it would get in the way" more...and for video, pros use an external monitor anyway so no value in an articulating screen.

P.S.  what do you shoot "4K" on your GoPro?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 01, 2012, 10:19:06 AM »
If canon puts a 21-22 MP APS-H sensor with 8-10 fps on the new 7D2 .. i will buy one regardless of the price...

.... but i know this is near impossible.

APS-H is dead, deader than dead...get over it folks.  The hope/myth of a re-emergence of APS-H in a 7DII, 4D, 1D Mark V is hope-less.  It doesn't mean anything negative about the APS-H or the 1D Mark IV, it simply means the market has moved....and instead of APS-H, there are now "entry-level" (though I hate that phrase applied to FF) full-frame cameras now like the 6D and Nikon entries.  APS-H is six feet under.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: November 30, 2012, 09:17:06 AM »
It's not going to be aimed solely at sports and nature, it is going to be what it is today -  the flagship APS-C camera in the Canon lineup - only better - regardless of what you typically shoot.  The 60D is a really nice camera but it isn't a 7D nor was it ever intended to be.  I've beat the hell out of two 7Ds, one of which I got the month it was launched and they're tanks.  IMO, they're slightly more solid than the 5D2 build/sealing wise.

A 7D2 addressing the noise at higher ISOs is going to fly off the shelves.  The AF is fantastic on the current 7D, so even a marginal improvement on a 7D2 would be all gravy.  Of course it will be more money...at least for the first 8 months, just like every other camera that has been introduced.  I'm not in the market for another APS-C right now, so whether it's $1,600 or $2,600 doesn't really matter to me.  I AM in the market to replace a 5D2 that has been dropped one too many times, so will continue to watch the 5D3 pricing (though concerned about the repeatedly reported softness in the 5D3 video also experienced in the 6D).  Lots of new cameras in the market and competition is good, let the competition do what it will to pricing.  I just don't understand the trolls that complain every time a new version of anything (camera, lens, tripod) comes out with a price increase...especially the ones that aren't in the market anyway.  If you can't afford it, then buy a different camera; it's like complaining to Mercedes every time a new C class comes out with more features but a higher price... go buy a Honda or Toyota already, both great cars.  If your Nissan Altima only has 17,000 miles on it and it's just two years old, why are you looking at new car prices anyway?

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Lighting / Re: 5D Mark II triggering 2 flashes
« on: November 16, 2012, 09:18:59 AM »
Hi, I have a 5D Mark II and a 580EX II that i've always used on TTL with a cord. Now I am wondering if it's possible to mount a 430EX II on the hotshoe and have my 580 triggered through the PC all at the same time, while conserving TTL on my 430?

Thanks!

I'm assuming you're talking about studio shooting or maybe a static setup since you mention using a PC.  I don't know about the PC as trigger, however I'm 99% sure you will NOT be able to get TTL from a second flash via PC trigger if using another flash on the 5D2 hotshoe too - not positive though.  There are a couple "duo" cables out there, one is really long too (30') for use with perhaps a flash in an elevated softbox or other stand/modifier/boom that renders the infrared master/slave trigger useless farther away from the camera location.  These allow you to mount your 430EX on the camera shoe and a second flash on the cable.  The caveat, with the one I've used at least, is that the remote flash fires in manual mode only but you can still get TTL on the camera mounted flash I'm pretty sure.  It depends on the cable and I've found them to be finicky at times.  But if you're in studio or in a static set up for portraits etc., you can probably work out the exposure manually easily and get by without TTL.  Strobies makes one and B&H has their own version under Vello I think or one of the other B&H brands.

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Lenses / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS
« on: November 09, 2012, 09:06:07 AM »
both lenses are completely off the mark.

35/2.0 is in need of a successor, but like the current one it should really have been a low-cost, decent IQ lens, rather than unnecessary IS at the price of an L lens.  A modern 50/1.4 Mk. II  with IQ at least equivalent to the Nikon AF-S 50/1.4 at the same price would have been far more urgent.
+1
24-70 is a total mess. Ridiculous that the 2.8 did not come with IS on top of the excellent IQ.
Instead of the 14-70/4 Canon should have improved the 24-105 and extended it to 24-120/4.0 IS - with better IQ than Nikon but at the same price.
+1
I agree on both. Canon is missing the obvious.

I beg to differ, Canon is following the money -> HD video DSLR + Lens sales. Just wait and see, the 6D will easily outsell the 1DX + 5D3 combined (obviously cheaper camera aimed at the masses), but Canon have done their homework on this, travel photographers like to shoot full-HD video to show to the folks back home, as well as taking stills. Moms + Dads love to shoot HD video of their kids playing sports etc. as well as taking photos, which explains why Canon have included similar AF-tracking in the 6D as the new 5D3. How many CR contributors justify expensive kit on the grounds that they can shoot their kids as well? (Just look at how many 50 1.2L shots are of Photogs progeny)

Canon has pandered too long to the specialist stills photographers, how about the hundreds of thousands of Amateur & Indie videographers who purchased the 5D mk II and made it the success story that it is, plus the millions of buyers who continue to flock to Rebel T2i/T3i/T4i and so on, so they can shoot 1080p @ 24 frames per second and post their cinematic style offerings on YouTube or Vimeo.

Canon is finally moving in the right direction - Video. Let Nikon slash prices and lose profits on high-MP DSLR bodies that have always lagged Canon in the video stakes (remember the Nikon D300s with 720p video vs Canon 7D with 1080p, then the Nikon D7000 had 1080p movie recording but no dedicated Movie button like the 7D). Canon is not just following video/still photography trends, they're shaping them.

Videographers need IS not ISO 25,600 ;)

Sorry, but your post is about two years late in terms of Canon's "direction" with video.  PROFESSIONAL DSLR video is pretty much DONE with the 5D3/1Dx in terms of video feature advancement.  When you have guys who were 5D2 video pioneers like Vince LaForet saying "...hate to say it, but the future is Cinema EOS (Black Magic, etc) for video...no longer HDSLRs," we should listen to them.  For amateurs there are a lot of Canon Vixia camcorders that are much better, lighter and many cheaper for HD videos of your kids and travel than a bulky DSLR.  Those people aren't buying DSLRs nearly as much anymore.  They're buying mirrorless or advanced P&S cameras that shoot HD video (EOS M - hottest camera in Japan right now bar none, G series, Powershot etc)  Enter Cinema EOS and the C100, C300, C500 for indies, HD commercial and 4K feature production respectively.  Canon's "direction" with professional video is there as well as the 1Dc (as a B/C cam for feature film production alongside the C500 (~4K 'RAW')).

The new primes with IS are definitely a great video choice however the 24-70 f/4 (or ANY lens with a maximum aperture smaller than f/2.8  ) are not in any shape or form targeted at video and that is the lens amongst these two that people seem to be most irritated over.  But since you mention "needing" IS; how many great commercials, and short films, let alone feature films, used IS lenses?  Shane Hurlbut's 'Act of Valor' grossed over $80 million USD and Drake Doremus' 'Like Crazy' which wasn't even shot FF - it was shot 100% on a Canon 7D - got $4 million USD from Paramount at Sundance for the distribution rights.  Neither production used IS lenses.  (Yeah, I get it, amateurs and indies don't have access to $10,000 stabilization rigs and motion control cranes etc. to hold their CinePrimes, Cooke and Arri glass) ...but my point is amateurs have been making some nice music videos, commercials and short films for four years on the 5D2 without "needing" IS...and with the new noise performance of the 5D3 sensor, ISO is DEFINITELY a more welcome feature.  ISO 6,400 on the 5D3 is as clean if not cleaner video than ISO 800 on the 5D2...which means more shots, less lighting (if any needed at all fot the shot), less assistants, much more creative options - especially for the indie on a budget.  Families with kids and travelers have a lot better video options for "showing the people back home" in camcorders with much better IS capabilities than DSLRs.

There will be a 24-70 f/2.8 L II IS soon, just as there are four versions of the 70-200 L (f/2.8 II IS, f/2.8 (non-IS), f/4 (non-IS), f/4 IS), there will be at least three if not four versions of the 24-70 L...and prices will drop (as they always do) and the 24-70 f/2.8 II will drop when the 24-70 f/2.8 IS comes out.  Canon didn't "miss any boat", they didn't "ruin the future of the known Milky Way Galaxy"...they introduced a new lens, part of a whole new offering rolling out with optics that will make you wonder why you ever compared this lens to your 24-105 L kit lens.  If you haven't shot with the new 70-200 f/2.8 IS II or the 24-70 f/2.8 II, go rent one.  You'll be wowed by the difference in IQ and AF compared to the previous versions.  The 24-70 f/2.8 II is as sharp or sharper than any of the EF primes in that focal range with better overall IQ...IMO.  I'm taking a deductive guess that the 24-70 f/4 will similarly blow away the 17-40 f/4 (IMO the sharpest L wide zoom) and 24-105 f/4 in their respective overlap focal lengths. If you love your 24-105 or your current 24-70, then why bother worrying about how much this lens is anyway?  It's a down economic market and Canon's infrastructure still isn't back to pre-earthquake capability (nor is Nikon's), Canon is focusing on lower production volumes with products that can give them higher margins.  It's that simple.  There is a market, it may not be you and most likely isn't you...and that's OK.  They will make more lens options available that ARE. 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Preorders
« on: November 08, 2012, 12:35:35 PM »
Do remember that Canon is not your only lens option. .... To me it's a no-brainer but then, I don't feel wedded to Canon lenses.

AdamJ, you make a good point.  Like I said, the competition - esp for lenses, is loving it.

With their recently announced strategy, Sigma is undergoing a sea-change from a price-driven proposition to a quality-driven proposition. I believe this is at least partly a response to the gap in the market that Canon's pricing is opening up. Sigma can develop premium products now because they know they can pitch them at the premium-but-not-inflated price level that Canon has vacated.

This is a very interesting observation Adam.  Canon is creating a price gap vacuum that will encourage a higher quality alternative to fill it at a previously acceptable price point (but probably still slightly less).  And if the alternative is good and receives rave reviews, it will succeed.  The fickle enthusiasts will flock in droves.  Hell, I might even be one of them.  If I can have a quality lens for half the price of the Canon L, I can afford to even replace it if I wear it out and still come out ahead.  Time will tell!!
Don't be shy about Sigma.... I have the 50mm 1.4 and the thing takes fabulous pictures. They are sharp, and the bokeh is super creamy! Additionally, it's built like a tank and has a very professional look and feel. I would highly recommend this lens, especially if you have a camera with AFMA(for obvious reasons.)

Great observations.  Also, given we are in a down economy - ESPECIALLY in Europe - it doesn't make sense to focus on mid-market or prosumer lenses for Canon or even Sigma at this point.  I also don't think Canon's manufacturing and supply chain has recovered fully from the earthquake.  In a down economy products are going to be sold at lower volumes so therefore higher margins must exist to justify the R&D and total cost of sales.  So the two influencers (economy and earthquake) combine to focus on lower volume/higher margin products until both recover fully.  So the focus will be on professionals, wedding shooters, event/sport shooters, etc. who make their living shooting and can therefore invest in new bodies, glass that outperform previous versions at a premium price; arguably these pros have to upgrade to stay competitive in their fields - do more with less (or the same with less etc).  I thought the 6D was a perfect example...a body at high margin for the affluent prosumer/enthusiast who wants a FF camera and can afford it; OR a great B/C cam for the wedding/event shooter instead of another 5D/1D series body.  The economy is also why the 7D II is being held back; it's not going to appeal to FF pros (though it's perfectly capable of pro images) and those 7D lovers that aren't pros making their living (not money on the side, rather their livelihood) from their images can't afford to replace a perfectly good 7D camera right now just for some better ISO performance and other features etc.  The EOS M is a late launch in a different market entirely but will prevent erosion there for Canon, total stop-gap and wait and see what happens in the mirrorless space effort, Canon waited as long as they could here.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS & EF 35 f/2 IS Preorders
« on: November 08, 2012, 11:58:24 AM »
Guess I'll have to wait and see the MTF and reviews on this one. The hybrid IS is nice, as is the near 1:1 macro, but for $1500 it'll have to improve both resolution and distortion over the 24-105 to sell well.

Or the 24-105 will soon cease to appear on price lists and will be withdrawn from the market place.

I've always considered the 24-105 a "pseudo-L" kit lens with OK not great IQ, not on par with the 16-35, 17-40 or even 24-70 L (version I let alone II) lenses...am I missing a great lens for travel/touring here?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« on: October 22, 2012, 12:10:03 PM »
Am happy that this is in the 1d style bodies. As I believe such hi mpx is for hi end use and pretty useless for general photographers.

If it had easy-to-use crop and down-sample modes, it would be useful for consumers.

- 46.1MP full-res
- 11.5MP 3-color pixel mode (generated from 4 of the original pixels)
- 23MP 1.4x crop mode
- 18MP 1.6x-crop mode
- 11.5MP 2x-crop mode

Make these easily accessible while shooting by using a sliding switch around the shutter release like on the SX-series of hyperzooms and make them show in the viewfinder by use of a transmissive-LCD like on the 7D and you've got a great camera for consumers/enthusiasts.

By the way, I'm very unhappy they're 1D-style bodies, as I'd never own a body like that.  I have very rare need for a portrait grip and don't want to carry one around all day when I don't need it.  Further, the 1D bodies are too large for my hands.  My 5D fits my hand like it was made for it.

Just curious, what would you require 46MP for?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are there 39mp & 50mp+ Test Bodies in the Wild? [CR1]
« on: October 22, 2012, 12:08:11 PM »
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Of course, what would a consumer, or prosumer for that matter need 24+MP for?  let alone 30 or 50?  Prosumer camera MPs have gone down over the past few years, not up (G series, etc)...as have several pro bodies obviously other than 1Dx.  It would be really interesting to see Canon introduce a professional studio camera though it would be difficult to unseat MF in that space, no?  Are we looking at more of a 1Ds replacement/upgrade?

My question, as I'm not an optics expert, is once you get into that realm of 30+ (if not before), how many current EF lenses are going to be able to leverage that sensor fully?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon Announces the Canon EOS 6D DSLR
« on: September 25, 2012, 12:12:37 PM »


The 6D will sell...a LOT.  It's just like when the 7D was launched to give those moving up from a Rebel to the x0D series another option in 2009... "7D or 50D?? Hmmm...if I buy the 50D will I wish I'd bought the 7D in six months?"


The 6D Will sell a lot????? HAHAHAHA............ At the same Price you can have something very very very BETTER: Nikon D600! I always loved Canon.... In the 2012 a product like that with that features and with that price is VERY VERY RIDICULOUS. See what the D600 have more for the same price!



You can't compare what happen with 7D: it's ridicolous!!.....


How old are you?  15?  Event shooters with multiple Canon bodies don't even look at Nikon and vice versa.  What is so "very very very BETTER" about the D600 grasshopper? It is still a Nikon after all, no? 

...and it's exactly like the 7D launch, 60D launch and even 1Dc launch... in that it's another option to choose from... having more choices is always "very very very BETTER".


first signs in are not that positive though, according to amazon list 6D is currently @ #14 below 60d, a bunch of rebels & dxxxxs, both body & kit D600s and D800. Not very promising for an entry level enthusiast camera...


well, perhaps we should wait until it is actually in stores and available...or production versions have been tested and those tests published... not too many enthusiasts or pros are going to pre-order a 2K camera unseen and untested....not that Amazon is the right litmus test anyway.  The 7D took about six months to gain traction after it's announcement.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:29:52 PM »
Hey people, back again :) :) :)

Look, I am not a serial poster, so this will be a kind of last post on this issue.

I stress once more, I am a Canon owner (5Dmk2, 7D, 5Dmk3) and fanboy. What I have posted previously is for the love of Canon. I would neveeeer consider buying a Nikon. Their lenses clip on anti-clockwise, for goodness sake! Plus, I'm too invested in Canon.

Points well taken from other posters (???!). Yes, look this may be occurring in my country, my state, my city only, it may not be a worldwide phenomenon. I won't tell you where I'm from, obviously an 'English speaking' country, for fear of repercussions from Canon.

Let me clarify things. My store sells to consumers primarily, not professionals. This would obviously have to be advanced amateurs, or prosumers as they are sometimes known. I have nothing to gain from quoting the 5:1 ratio statistic. In fact I will add that this ratio would have been 6:1 if Nikon had been able to fulfill D800E orders. However, they have failed miserably in this and orders are getting cancelled left, right and center.

Now, I have good friends at other stores that tend to sell more cameras to professionals. Even there, the D800 is outselling the 5Dmk3, but not at the same ratio as my store. On the other hand, the 1Dx is outselling the D4. So, most professionals are impressed by Canon's new offering.

Getting back to the prosumers... Canon and Nikon will always sell their wares to their dedicated bands of professionals. This is a limited market, however, and it is not growing exponentially. In the last six months the camera business has shifted. Yes, we have noticed it! Cheap compacts are out (too many good quality smart phone cameras out there), whilst high end compact (ala Sony RX100), Mirrorless Cameras (ala Olympus OM-D) and "really expensive" high end DSLRs are doing a roaring trade. Yes, we are selling more of these than ever. To whom? To average Joe Blows with disposable income.

Canon and Nikon are not fighting 'the world domination war' to gain more professional users, but to convince average Joe Blows that they are the best. At the moment, Nikon has done this best with the Nikon D800. They have convinced the masses that this is what they must desire, this is what they must have. Remember, the war will be won by recruiting these masses; the pros are, generally, there for the long haul.

I posted what I posted because 'I' want Canon to win !!!

P.S. To those who wear blinkers and can only retort with nastiness: I discuss my customer's needs with them and explain to them that unless they are printing their photos to A3, A2 size, etc,  megapixels are of no consequence. Believe it or not more than 80% of consumers will never print a photo. Viewing them on an smartphone, tablet, computer (flickr, facebook, etc) and TV is what they do; and we all know you don't need tens of megapixels for that.

Selling lots of cameras is about marketing through the creation of desire... and 46mp, whether we like it or not, creates a lot of desire. Those who are purists among us, supporters of less megapixels for less noise, are just going to have to take this on the chin. Canon is a business! They need to find their 'vision' again and move forward to once again dominate the world of DSLRs.

P.S. At our store we tend to sell more Canons than Nikons. We give equal billing to Canon, Sony, and Nikon. No Pentax, sorry! In fact, Canon, is in the best spot, seen first by customers when they enter. We have never had a D800 'in stock' as such, as months later we are still fulfilling backorders. The 5Dmk3 has always been in stock. In fact, after the initial rush, we still have a good number of bodies just sitting there. They are not selling because customers believe they are too expensive.

I am not posting to create controversy, as I tried to indicate earlier, but to give Canon a 'kickstarter' up the arse.

Phew...I'm exhausted.

Bye...for good...for now !!! :) :) :)

yeah, we're exhausted too, we stopped at the second paragraph.... [moving on]

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EOS Bodies / Re: 46.1mp Canon DSLR Previewed at PhotoPlus 2012? [CR1]
« on: September 23, 2012, 08:27:03 PM »
Hi ya people :)

Look, let's get down to the nitty gritty. I work for a camera retailer and I can guarantee you that since April the D800 has outsold the 5D Mk3 by a 5 to 1 ratio. This explains recent price drops on the body and the deal struck with the Adorama ebay site.

Sure, the camera has sold okay, but not in huge quantities like the previous Mk2. I'm pretty sure that Canon has lots of stock sitting in warehouses, just as sure as they would deny this. Sales have just picked up a little recently because of the 5D Mk3 Professional Kit with the 24-70 MkII.

Look, Canon gave us what we asked for and then we snubbed them; decided we wanted everything that we said we didn't need.

The 46mp sensor has been rumoured to have been around for at least two years. Canon obviously held back believing people would definitely be happy with a 22mp, better iso camera. We proved Canon wrong. Look, I believe even a few more megapixels, 28mp, would have kept people happy.

Canon needs to bring out the 46mp ASAP. Nikon is 'killing' them at the moment. It can't be a 1 D body. If they want lots of sales they need a 5D body, 5D X, or whatever they want to call it. It needs to be reasonably priced, just above the D800, $500 or so above it. This will bring in the crowds.

Or, they could completely stuff it up. Make it a 1 D type body that is super expensive and that 4,000 or 5,000 might buy worldwide. WAKE UP CANON !!! :)

Before I am torn to shreds, I'll  let the wonderful readers of this forum know that I still have my 5D Mk2 and recently bought a 5D Mk3 which I am very happy with.

I, however, like all of you, would like Canon to continue doing well into the future, and the reality is that they have dropped the ball in recent years. The 5D Mk2 was a game changer; come on Canon bring out the 46mp out that blows both Nikon and Sony out of the water.

Look this is my two cents worth, my reality check for Canon. Take it as you will.

Signing Out...

Baloney.  Nikon isn't selling anything at 5:1 globally over Canon, maybe in some small market store that is Nikon focused but go to B&H (world's largest retailer on and offline) any day. and the crowd around the Canon pit is always 2-4x the size of the crowd in the Nikon pit...and that's before, during, and after the 5DIII launched.  I'm there at least once or twice per week.  How is it you work in a camera store and are still fixated by MP?  Nikon killing Canon?  Huh, read the Nikon fan boys rants about their own performance issues.  All the spec sheet talk about the D600 vs 6D...and then it is confirmed by Nikon at Photokina two days ago (to Philip Bloom ) that the D600 doesn't even allow manual settings in video...I mean, really?  Killing Canon?  Canon has manual video in the Rebel series.  There is a reason some cameras have gone backwards in MP in many cases both pro and consumer, see the recent G series and Powershot series over the past few years and 1Dx.

Seriously, no manual video controls for the D600? The uncompressed video feed was very tempting, but no control relieves me, now the D600 is just an overpriced D7000 that has an FX sensor thrown in :)
Though, the rebels, at least the first few didn't have much video manual control as well anyways, you can adjust the exposure compensation at least... though, Canon has Magic Lantern, and now that the 7D has been hacked~
Although, Canon hasn't evolved with it's DSLR video much past the MKII, they decided to go all out with the C series and now Sony, Nikon (at least not the D600) and M4/3 cams are better equipped and capable.
 
Yep, serious.  He posted about it after talking with Nikon Friday.  ...and there were some other points about the framing in the Nikon LCD view being atrocious and other nuances.  You're right with respect to video improvements on DSLRs.  There won't be much more groundbreaking stuff in DSLR format, it's going to the C100/300/500 now... which it should... the form factor can only support so much (XLRs, monitors, cage etc), the C100 is a good buy given it has the integrated accessories you'd pay another $2K+ for... no need for audio, monitors, battery pack, matte box, NDs, etc..  Those looking for more from video will be looking more toward something like the C series or competitor...and those prices will come down too, especially on the C300 now that the 500 is official.

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